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FCC Reports Comcast P2P Blocking Was More Widespread
bob charlton from 66 tips us to a ComputerWorld story about FCC Chairman Kevin Martin, who has testified that Comcast's P2P traffic management occurred even when network congestion wasn't an issue, contrary to the ISP's claims. After defending its actions and being investigated by the FCC over the past few months, Comcast has tried to repair its image by making nice with BitTorrent and working towards a P2P Bill of Rights. Quoting:
"'It does not appear that this technique was used only to occasionally delay traffic at particular nodes suffering from network congestion at that time,' Martin told the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee. 'Based on testimony we've received thus far, this equipment was typically deployed over a wider geographic area or system, and is not even capable of knowing when an individual ... segment of the network is congested.'
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I remember them claiming otherwise, so I guess this means that Comcast lied? No surprise there.
they were full of shit.
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Its always curious when the suits of big ISPs talk about something they really don't understand. I worked at a large International ISP, and everyone from the Ops Manager up didn't understand the technology. They were "results oriented" and they apparently didn't need to know.
So, I can just imagine what they folks at the top were being told by "middle management".
Sigh.
And imagine, no one wanted Block D of the wireless spectrum to deliver wireless services and provide real alternatives. The Internet has been bought and sold to the highest bidders, and now we all have to live with the moronic decisions being made by people who are only interested in squeezing as much revenue of the porn addled, facebook addicted, morons paying the bills.
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Who is surprised by this revelation? From initial denial to any traffic shaping, to stacking the hearing with payed shills, Comcast has proven they are willing to do whatever it takes to oversell their service and then bottleneck it to keep from having to make infrastructure upgrades. I wouldn't be shocked if they rubbed the blood of sacrificed newborn children onto their fiber if it would save them a buck or two. Go Comcast!
I _still_ only get 20kb/s on my Comcast line...
The FCC won't let me be or let me be me so let me see... They try and shut me down on MTV but it feels so empty without me.
I'm convinced instead of "blocking" some customers they simapily drove them to bad service so they would leave. I am an example of this:
I run lots of torrents, and have for years. I have always had a very very stable line with Prestige Digital Cable, whom was bought by Adelphia whom was eventually bought by Comcast. My service with Comcast started out bad, as the upload speeds were cut in half and the bill was almost doubled (over a course of 6 months) but the actual line was very very stable. I didn't pay for a static IP, but I had the same IP address for a very long time, as most people tend to have. Eventually one day my IP shifted to a new subnet which gave like 90% packet loss (tested 24/hrs a day and averaged out with some Linus scripting). I ran my PC straight into the modem (removing the Linksys router) and it gave me an IP on the old and trusted subnet, with no packet loss at all. When I hooked the router up it associated it's MAC and put me on the bad one again. So I cloned the PC's MAC to the router, and bada-bing I'm on the good subnet and back to my torrents. A few weeks go by and all of a sudden that MAC addy is being pushed onto the bad subnet. I clone another MAC addy and up onto the good subnet I go, and around and around we go. Eventually I got sick of it and canceled the service all together. When I called to cancel the woman was very friendly until she had a chance to pull up my account info, they she just told me "Your service is off. Goodbye, click", leading me to wonder if there is actually a note in my account that has me marked as a high-traffic user.
I realize most of this is based on paranoid speculation, so take it for what it's worth, but to be fair another friend of mine in the same town had the SAME EXACT situation take place. Just seems a little fishy.
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And your point is, what exactly? Native American's were here for a little bit longer than 1,400 years before we appeared. Will you support a Native American movement that seeks to carve an independent country out of the United States? How about a "right of return"? My great-grandparents had to flee Germany in the 30s -- can I now return to Germany to seize the house they used to live in?
Don't get me wrong -- I don't pretend to have a solution for the Middle East either -- but this idea that a racial/religious group has a "right" to some land based on the fact that they controlled it two millennia ago (the Jews) or even a few decades ago (the Palestinians) is a pretty thin argument.
The World doesn't owe you a damn thing just because your parents, grandparents, great-grandparents or ancient-ancestors-living-in-the-time-of-Julius-Ceaser got a raw deal.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
I am in the US for a few months this summer and will get broadband internet for that time. So which provider in the US doesn't block or limit bittorrent traffic?
You would hope the chairman of the FCC wouldn't be so clueless. Well, whoever told him the things he is repeating at least.
Anyone that has actually configured a sandvine box knows very well that you can set rules to run at any time they want. Anyone even minimally monitoring their network knows when their network is congested and can apply rules during those times.
To say that the sandvine isn't network aware is false. You would think that the chairman would have contacted the manufacturer or at least had an aide go to the website.
This is all so obvious and expected, that I'd go so far as to say that it really isn't news.
Last month I got a phone call from a Comcast robot telling me my account was past due. At the time I did not realize that an autopayment had gone through 7 days earlier, so I immediately went and paid my balance online.
A few days later my bank calls and tells me one of my accounts is overdrawn. Not Comcast's fault, but I ask the bank rep--did the autopayment actually go through? Yes it did.
So I got on a live chat with a Comcast support agent who tells me that I was not double-billed, I was just charged twice for the same amount successfully. He was not authorized to issue a credit from his "location" so I called the billing department, where a rep told me the billing department does not have the ability to change autopayment settings.
When I mentioned the robot call that I should never have received and asked if he could tell a manager to look into it, his tone of voice conveyed such disbelief and confusion that at first I thought I'd misspoke and asked him what kind of underwear he had on or something. Then he tried to sell me phone service.
Coincidence?It's funny that the chairman of the FCC gets involved when a protocol that is primarily used for copyright violation gets throttled, but nobody cares about the way Comcast manipulates SMTP traffic, as they have for many years.
The semi-random port-blocking on 25 that they do often seems designed to optimize the ability of worms and viruses to spread while simultaneously forcing all legitimate traffic through their (failure prone) mailservers.
I had a lot of conversations with them about it and eventually gave up trying to edjumacate their underpaid moronic techs. Since verizon figured out how to get FIOS to my house (no small technical feat) I switched to them... at least they are competent evil. Well, by comparison anyway.
Wow, my posts aren't usually this cynical.
Anyway, as far as the packet meddling: it's done by a Sandvine box. There's thousands of them nationwide. There's one wherever there's a CMTS (Cisco UBR or Arris Cadant router) That means there's one in your neighborhood.
You'll notice that no where in the article are penalties for Comcast mentioned. They do say that Congress is "considering clarifying" the FCC's power to "act on blocking complaints," but at this point there is nothing besides speculation of what that means, and absolutely no mention of punitive action on the current complaints.
Comcast could get off with a gentle scolding and a "we'll be watching you from now on" talk. That's at the strict end of the scale. They could also get nothing.
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So conquest of wandering nomads is ok?
this should give an idea why proto jews were there as nomadic tribes already, LONG before 1800 BC.And this is relevant to the present day situation because....?
jews were there more than 2 millenia ago, they controlled it aroun 500 yearsMore than two millennia ago, modern day England was controlled by the Roman empire for about 400 years. Should London be returned to it's rightful owners in Italy?
with your argument you could totally justify israeli occupation of palestinian lands - nobody owes any palestinian anything because early muslim empire arabs were able to take those lands from byzantine empire, but then lost it.Why did you draw the conclusion that my argument was only directed at the Jews?
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
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You picked up a lot of former AOL people and you wonder why your company sucks. AOL sucks. AOL has always sucked. It sucked when it was pretty much the only ISP a lot of people could get. It sucked when you tried to cancel and ended up cancelling your credit card instead because no matter what you did they wouldn't stop billing you. It sucked when you tried to make them refund you for the months where you should have been cancelled but they just kept on billing. It sucked when you finally gave up and disputed the charge with your credit card company.
Any company with those kind of ethics is about to produce a slew of unethical jackasses. And your company was dumb enough to hire them.
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Who cares? If I wanted to read pseudoinsane rants about desert cults, theres plenty of that garbage on the web.
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heritage. just as almost third of the koran is borrowed from christianity, but it explicitly orders muslims to attack christians and jews in maida surah 9/29.
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why are you debating history if you do not care.
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Sure...that's what it CAN do. But its trivial to make a configuration that turns it into an indiscriminate P2P throttling machine. As a matter of fact, its EASIER to configure it that way than to take the time to check when and where to throttle.
Do not fold, spindle or mutilate.
Why? I can't see this as anything other than a blatantly racist statement. regardless of who your argument was directed at, it justifies any and all occupation
This is accurate, though.
The last time I heard, call center employees have an average of about 6 months of shelf life - w/ fewer than 10% surviving 2 years. When I did it, I was being paid dick to be yelled at for 8 hours a day & solve an average of 48 tech support calls a day. (3 minutes of mandatory script reading/user verification & 7 minutes to do a full phone diagnosis on why Bambi Bubbles & her 2 braincells can't get on line)
As tech support I got a total of 3 death threats & at least 1 threat of violence weekly. Anyone who has any hope in the tech world won't stay there longer than needed to find another job, which is why call centers are full of phone drones who can't do anything but read a script.
And the Old Testament explicitly orders the stoning of adulterers, those who work on the Sabbath and Homosexuals.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Why can't they do it the way Frame Relay's work. Give you a bandwidth that you are willing to pay for. Then anything over that Bandwidth is marked with DE. If the network get congested, anything marked DE is dropped. The only thing is the Comcast would have to stop overselling the bandwidth.
If you have VoIP through another company than Comcast but have Comcast as your internet, they will block that at times as well! Not only is this bad customer service, It's CENSORSHIP!
relevance please.
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Relevance? A response to this remark:
heritage. just as almost third of the koran is borrowed from christianity, but it explicitly orders muslims to attack christians and jews in maida surah 9/29.Please explain why pulling a random quote out of the Koran is any more 'relevant' then someone doing the same thing to your holy book?
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
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Really? Are you a Muslim yourself? Do you personally know all one billion of them? Because otherwise I find it pretty amazing that you can claim that something is 'impossible to ignore' for 'any Muslim'. The Muslims that I know don't feel particularly compelled to live under the Sharia. I would imagine that there are just as many Muslims who ignore the more extremist interpretations of their faith as there are Catholics who do the same. How many Catholics do you know that use birth control? Or engage in pre-martial sex? Or who get divorced?
Every single one of your arguments has been so ridiculously one-sided that I honestly don't see a point to any further discussion. Practically every post in this entire thread has been modded offtopic (rightfully so) and I regret getting drawn into this pointless exercise with you.
For the record, I don't have a problem with our support for our Israeli Ally. In fact I have a fair number of friends from Israel. That country is one of the few functional democracies in the region and on that basis alone I would support Israel if she was threatened. What bothers me is how one-sided we are when it comes to them.
Any moron with a brain and a history book can see that the Palestinians have some legitimate gripes. I place a lot of the blame for that with the neighboring Arab countries -- their despotic leaders clearly benefit from the ongoing crisis -- nothing like an external enemy to distract the populace from your own oppression. That said, had I been born a Palestinian I would be out in the street throwing rocks too. And so would you, though I doubt you'll admit it.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
let me tell you that in islam there is not the 'option' of choosing what to believe, what not. islam's book sets what to believe and what not straight. and sharia is not optional. you are ordered to live what koran says. there cant be any 'interpretations' of koran, because ;
- koran is sent by god, according to islam, his words
- koran is unchanged according to islam, so all contained are directly god's words
- koran says that it is a clearly understandable book, and forbids the believer to seek any source other than itself for religion. intermediaries or 'wisemen' in between god and subject are forbidden in islam.
these 3 facts of islam is where im coming from. if you choose to 'interpret' and 'ignore' anything in koran, you commit grave sin according to islam. Every single one of your arguments has been so ridiculously one-sided that I honestly don't see a point to any further discussion. Practically every post in this entire thread has been modded offtopic (rightfully so) and I regret getting drawn into this pointless exercise with you. you are the ridicule yourself, speaking on a religion which you dont know. had you not rushed into this pointless discussion about a religion you dont know, you would have saved both of us the trouble. but you are here. For the record, I don't have a problem with our support for our Israeli Ally. In fact I have a fair number of friends from Israel. That country is one of the few functional democracies in the region and on that basis alone I would support Israel if she was threatened. What bothers me is how one-sided we are when it comes to them. i live in turkey. i know what really went on in between israel and arabs, and my one sidedness comes from experience. Any moron with a brain and a history book can see that the Palestinians have some legitimate gripes. I place a lot of the blame for that with the neighboring Arab countries -- their despotic leaders clearly benefit from the ongoing crisis -- nothing like an external enemy to distract the populace from your own oppression. That said, had I been born a Palestinian I would be out in the street throwing rocks too. And so would you, though I doubt you'll admit it. you either do not have a valid history book, or....
i was born and raised a muslim, and supposedly i should have a lot of hatred against israel, west and anything civil and modern as of now. but, behold, i dont. truth can be found for the one who seeks.
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