reporter: With me now is Tom who has just booted a computer inside a computer, insiiiiide a computer sixTEEN times!
tom: Yes, it took about a year to boot the last layer of nesting and takes nearly 2 hours to run ell ess, but it was totally worth it. I'm really excited.
reporter: And what do you want to do with it now?
tom: In a couple of years, I hope to be up to 17 layers, and it's my life ambition to get up to 32.
Seriously though, if I was to do such a thing, I'd put it in a VM to begin with. So at least then I could pause and resume the VM on different hardware so that I could continually upgrade the hardware as newer stuff became available. Now what would be really cool, is to implement hibernate (or suspend to ram and dump the ram) so that the browser could be changed out without rebooting the JSVM. Now that persistent storage is sorted, perhaps that isn't too hard?
The next thing I'd do is try to automate as much as possible. Because once it starts slowing down, it would be pretty frustrating to interact with.
As soon as someone figures out a more useful way to access the internet than simply tunneling through http/s, this will effectively provide rooted-box-in-a-box. Ie stuff-all effort to get a huge number of hosts at your disposal. Persistent storage provides an easy way to resume where you left off.
Because if it was the case, then apple could say that sumsung were trying to make their tab look more like the ipad in the promo material to sell more.
US is not another availability zone -- it's a different region. There are multiple AZs per region and -- if Amazon is doing their job -- a lightning strike should not take down more than one AZ in a region.
Correct, except that it was only one availability zone that went down. That AZ maps to one of 3 different labels for different customers. For us it was eu-west-1a, for one of our customers, it was eu-west-1b. The AZs did their job exactly as they were supposed to.
I think every mobile phone I've owned in close to a decade has had a built-in email client.
Which on a personal phone, is fine for your personal mail. Not work work email as well.
And on the ones I've used (Ranging from motorola e770v to a sony erricson with android 2.1) have not handled high quantities or sizes of messages well.
You don't have to use your hardware my way, just like I don't have to use my hardware your way. You have to be careful with sweeping statements like the one posted a few posts back. They rarely bare any resemblance to reality, but not always. For if you were to tell me that sitting on tacks is not fun, I'd be inclined to agree with you.... Darn, I can think of someone who would disagree (no seriously!).
Web mail is for homeless people to use in libraries
Are you trolling? Or are you serious?
I recently broke my collar bone and am frequently visiting the hospital. Web mail is one more valuable tools I can use to keep working on my phone while I wait for my appointment that is running late because the health system is over loaded. It's also great on an over-crowded train where a laptop simply isn't viable.
Without having read the article, I imagine the aim is to give the companies something they will have to compete with, which they can be held to. They have to compete on it because if their numbers are lower than someone else's, then that is a disadvantage. But if their numbers are higher they have to follow through.
While we can be pedantic about the words in a summary, it's probably missing the point.
I like your thoughts on the avg and max speeds as well.
How they are saved depends on the distro. If you use something like Fedora before this, then whether using a gui or command line, you are effectively editing a file and then reload that file by restarting a sudo service. If you use something like gentoo, then it saves your firewall on shutdown or at your request.
Irrelevant to the context of this thread. But if you want, this is what "reloading the whole firewall" refers to.
I guess you replied before you got to the third sentence?
Agreed. It's the same in Centos/Fedora. I was simply coming from the angle of what the distro makes easy for you. As far as I'm aware, the iptables command is the same (or close enough to it) from distro to distro.
How they are saved depends on the distro. If you use something like Fedora before this, then whether using a gui or command line, you are effectively editing a file and then reload that file by restarting a sudo service. If you use something like gentoo, then it saves your firewall on shutdown or at your request.
The DBUS stuff to have apps make requests is potentially very cool, I really hope it's well thought out though...
Think back to your days working in tech support. Remember the noob on the other side of the office who always had a problem and was always looking for a way to tell you your work is wrong?
I've seen someone go through this and despite having video evidence in his favour (that the police saw at the start), the police continued for 2 years and eventually lost. But not before racking up enough legal costs to take several years to pay off. The police don't have to win to do severe damage. If someone is on a blind crusade, they can do one hell of a lot of financial damage and damage to his reputation before they run out of options.
This case is less cut and dry. It will be harder to prove, and harder to defend since it's about intentions rather than an act. But I suspect for the police, that's not the point.
This is something I wouldn't have predicted, and I'm wondering if it's going to be along term trend. It's potentially a powerful game changer, and with such power, comes massive responsibility and impact. I hope that those pushing the leaks keep a fairly balanced view of the world so the cause doesn't consume them and push them to the extremes. Because if that happens, it becomes worthless again (and very damaging).
The thing that strikes me about this is that when something new comes out that has different strengths and limitations, at first we are at a loss for how to make it useful, but then we work around the limitations and are much better off.
The things I'm aware of that make the contrast between high and low important is measurement of those highs and lows and short term memory. So those are potential areas for improvement that could make the technology viable.
Just because they haven't worked out how to do it yet, doesn't mean it can't be done.
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Dude, that's fantastic! It might be enough for me to consider using firefox more often (instead of opera).
LOL that was brilliant!
That would be an interesting competition.
reporter: With me now is Tom who has just booted a computer inside a computer, insiiiiide a computer sixTEEN times!
tom: Yes, it took about a year to boot the last layer of nesting and takes nearly 2 hours to run ell ess, but it was totally worth it. I'm really excited.
reporter: And what do you want to do with it now?
tom: In a couple of years, I hope to be up to 17 layers, and it's my life ambition to get up to 32.
Seriously though, if I was to do such a thing, I'd put it in a VM to begin with. So at least then I could pause and resume the VM on different hardware so that I could continually upgrade the hardware as newer stuff became available. Now what would be really cool, is to implement hibernate (or suspend to ram and dump the ram) so that the browser could be changed out without rebooting the JSVM. Now that persistent storage is sorted, perhaps that isn't too hard?
The next thing I'd do is try to automate as much as possible. Because once it starts slowing down, it would be pretty frustrating to interact with.
As soon as someone figures out a more useful way to access the internet than simply tunneling through http/s, this will effectively provide rooted-box-in-a-box. Ie stuff-all effort to get a huge number of hosts at your disposal. Persistent storage provides an easy way to resume where you left off.
type in root. It has no password.
Because if it was the case, then apple could say that sumsung were trying to make their tab look more like the ipad in the promo material to sell more.
US is not another availability zone -- it's a different region. There are multiple AZs per region and -- if Amazon is doing their job -- a lightning strike should not take down more than one AZ in a region.
Correct, except that it was only one availability zone that went down. That AZ maps to one of 3 different labels for different customers. For us it was eu-west-1a, for one of our customers, it was eu-west-1b. The AZs did their job exactly as they were supposed to.
I think every mobile phone I've owned in close to a decade has had a built-in email client.
Which on a personal phone, is fine for your personal mail. Not work work email as well.
And on the ones I've used (Ranging from motorola e770v to a sony erricson with android 2.1) have not handled high quantities or sizes of messages well.
You don't have to use your hardware my way, just like I don't have to use my hardware your way. You have to be careful with sweeping statements like the one posted a few posts back. They rarely bare any resemblance to reality, but not always. For if you were to tell me that sitting on tacks is not fun, I'd be inclined to agree with you.... Darn, I can think of someone who would disagree (no seriously!).
Web mail is for homeless people to use in libraries
Are you trolling? Or are you serious?
I recently broke my collar bone and am frequently visiting the hospital. Web mail is one more valuable tools I can use to keep working on my phone while I wait for my appointment that is running late because the health system is over loaded. It's also great on an over-crowded train where a laptop simply isn't viable.
Nice. Thanks for posting :)
Having made a lot of 3D content for youtube, I'm quite interested to see youtube update their app for this.
Without having read the article, I imagine the aim is to give the companies something they will have to compete with, which they can be held to. They have to compete on it because if their numbers are lower than someone else's, then that is a disadvantage. But if their numbers are higher they have to follow through.
While we can be pedantic about the words in a summary, it's probably missing the point.
I like your thoughts on the avg and max speeds as well.
How they are saved depends on the distro. If you use something like Fedora before this, then whether using a gui or command line, you are effectively editing a file and then reload that file by restarting a sudo service. If you use something like gentoo, then it saves your firewall on shutdown or at your request.
Irrelevant to the context of this thread. But if you want, this is what "reloading the whole firewall" refers to.
I guess you replied before you got to the third sentence?
Agreed. It's the same in Centos/Fedora. I was simply coming from the angle of what the distro makes easy for you. As far as I'm aware, the iptables command is the same (or close enough to it) from distro to distro.
I think you've misread something or replied to the wrong person...?
How they are saved depends on the distro. If you use something like Fedora before this, then whether using a gui or command line, you are effectively editing a file and then reload that file by restarting a sudo service. If you use something like gentoo, then it saves your firewall on shutdown or at your request.
The DBUS stuff to have apps make requests is potentially very cool, I really hope it's well thought out though...
Think back to your days working in tech support. Remember the noob on the other side of the office who always had a problem and was always looking for a way to tell you your work is wrong?
So what you really mean is 667, 000 not 666, 000. But that's not quite as fun :P
what I implied, but forgot to say: They don't have to be right either.
I've seen someone go through this and despite having video evidence in his favour (that the police saw at the start), the police continued for 2 years and eventually lost. But not before racking up enough legal costs to take several years to pay off. The police don't have to win to do severe damage. If someone is on a blind crusade, they can do one hell of a lot of financial damage and damage to his reputation before they run out of options.
This case is less cut and dry. It will be harder to prove, and harder to defend since it's about intentions rather than an act. But I suspect for the police, that's not the point.
This is something I wouldn't have predicted, and I'm wondering if it's going to be along term trend. It's potentially a powerful game changer, and with such power, comes massive responsibility and impact. I hope that those pushing the leaks keep a fairly balanced view of the world so the cause doesn't consume them and push them to the extremes. Because if that happens, it becomes worthless again (and very damaging).
The thing that strikes me about this is that when something new comes out that has different strengths and limitations, at first we are at a loss for how to make it useful, but then we work around the limitations and are much better off.
The things I'm aware of that make the contrast between high and low important is measurement of those highs and lows and short term memory. So those are potential areas for improvement that could make the technology viable.
Just because they haven't worked out how to do it yet, doesn't mean it can't be done.
That made my day. If only I had some mod points right now! :D
Bogie at 6 o'clock!
one of the older and more threadbare techniques
If it works, expect them to use it.