Well I believe they've also shown that CO2 increases always seem to preceed global warming. Such as unusually large volcanic eruptions expell a lot of CO2, and that is pretty shortly followed by warming weather.
Please tell me where I said MS had innovated. My point was that OSS doesn't innovate either; mearly copies others that do. The OP asserted that improve == innovate, and I took issue with that.
As far as "extensions" go, the concept of plug-ins has been around for a VERY long time now. That's not innovative. Nor is tabbed browsing, which has been around since 1994.
The DHCP server gives out IPs because that's what it was supposed to do. It was built with a wired environment in mind. Stop antroporphizing, it doesn't make your point. It makes your arguement look rather silly.
As for your assumption that an SSID is a sign, it's not. WiFi doesn't really work without it. My cordless phone's base station broadcasts, THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO USE IT.
It doesn't matter if you don't like the rules of English. They are what they are, and the only way to write English so that everyone can understand your idea is to follow the rules.
Also, I think leaving out entire words goes far beyond "rules" of a language. Start leaving out key words in ANY language, and you're going to have problems. If you think that's misguided, I don't know what to tell you since humans haven't developed the ability to read each others' minds yet..
Sorry, it's not a matter of semantics. Our language has certain rules. You can't start arbitrarly leaving out certain words and still convey the same meaning. An illegal monopoly is different than an illegal abuse of a monopoly. This basic breakdown is part of the reason, I believe, that we can't get anything done in this country anymore.
I'm sorry you think I was rude, but people really need to start being clearer in their speech, especially when it's written. To prove my point why I think this is necessary go read the other posts were people ARE insisting that MS doesn't legally have a monopoly..
I think we as a society should try much harder to "mean what you say, and say what you mean." Otherwise these "semantics" prevent any useful dialog on any topic.
Except you rarely have competition, it's typically Comcast or nothing. Verizon or nothing. My suggestion wouldn't limit competition, it would help it because multiple companies would be allowed to compete over the CITY owned lines. The city owns and runs the physical layer, private companies would offer services over that layer.
The barrier to entry is leveled for everyone, the lines would be run as cheaply as possible, and service companies would compete to offer the best phone, internet, and TV access.
Christ, I never said roads weren't funded by gas tax. But that's a TAX, not a TOLL. A TOLL is something you pay each time you use.
The gas tax is a sales tax. You pay not for the use of the road, but a fixed amount per gallon. Yes, the gas TAX goes to help pay for the roads (supposedly, although the feds take money out of it for lots of other projects), but it's not directly tied to a particular road. I still pay the tax whether i use the gas to power my car or my lawnmower. Also, if I have an electric car, I CAN STILL USE THE PUBLIC ROADS. The only time I'd have to pay in that case is if I come to a TOLL road, where you had someone money before they let you drive on it.
Wow... I've re-read your post serveral times, I just don't see it as agreeing. At any rate I'll take you're word for it, and apology for flaming you back.:-)
God you guys are dense. Show me a law that says the monopoly itself is illegal. Every law I've seen says only it's the ABUSE of a monopoly which is illegal.
Bell was split not because it was a monopoly (which it had been for about a hundred years), but because it ABUSED the monopoly.
An illegal monopoly would be one that legally is not allowed to exist; that's quite different from a law which says you can't ABUSE a given monopoly.
Do you not understand the English language? "Illegal monopoly" would be a monopoly which has been made illegal. As in the monopoly cannot legally exist. Please show me any law which prohibits the mere existence of a monopoly. There aren't any; there are laws against ABUSING the monopoly.
No, that's where the difference lies. ABUSE is what's illegal, not having a monopoly. And abusing your monopoly doesn't always lead to being forced to give it up.
Read up on laws regarding cordless phones; an unencrypted cordless phone cannot be used to make phone calls.
Address handouts are there to make it easier to manage the network, not to be confused with permission to use the network. The SSID is required to make wireless work, so arguing it's being broadcast is an inventation to use the network is stupid. You can detect my cordless phone signal; that doesn't mean you can use my base station to make phone calls.
If there's any doubt, you assume it's private and stay off. Just because you don't see a no trespass sign doesn't mean there isn't one.
The wireless signal can no more be construed as an inventation anymore than my cordless phone's wireless signal. You're not allowed to use someone else's cordless phone to make a phone call. In some places, you can LISTEN to the signal, but not USE it.
So I think it's fair to use the exact same rules for WiFi. You can listen to someone's signal all you want, but you can't USE it to make check email any more than you'd be allowed to make a phone call from someone's base station.
No, the network's owner has specified the link isn't encrypted. That has nothing to do with whether or not the owner thinks its ok for YOU to use his network.
Oh shut up. "The most productive people?" Are you fucking kidding me? What EXACTLY does a CEO produce? If someone makes 1 million a year (and I'm hard pressed to think how any job that justifies that much) pays 50% tax, they still have a hell of a lot of money left. Compare to someone making 30k, 15% is a HUGE amount taken. And for what? An intrest free loan to the government? Wow.
You got a tax cut making 38k a year.. so what? Did you end up with $10 in your paycheck each week? People with higher incomes got to keep more, on everything from paychecks to capital gains.
Really? My wife and I make combined less than six figures, and my effective tax is 25.5%. Those that have more can afford to pay more. At the end of the day, some people have millions, so another million they won't even notice, but a few thousand dollars can be a big deal to me. So ya, I feel like we are paying for everything, since there's a lot more middle class than upper class and more strain on more people.
I think the ultimate solution is to eliminate almost all of the Federal government though, so we can ALL pay less.
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Well I believe they've also shown that CO2 increases always seem to preceed global warming. Such as unusually large volcanic eruptions expell a lot of CO2, and that is pretty shortly followed by warming weather.
Please tell me where I said MS had innovated. My point was that OSS doesn't innovate either; mearly copies others that do. The OP asserted that improve == innovate, and I took issue with that.
As far as "extensions" go, the concept of plug-ins has been around for a VERY long time now. That's not innovative. Nor is tabbed browsing, which has been around since 1994.
Well, actually the person to which I responded DID say innovate; he said "improve == innovate." Which is why I responded to him..
Ok.. so tell me what has OSS innovated? What was new and radical that others have tired to copy?
The DHCP server gives out IPs because that's what it was supposed to do. It was built with a wired environment in mind. Stop antroporphizing, it doesn't make your point. It makes your arguement look rather silly.
As for your assumption that an SSID is a sign, it's not. WiFi doesn't really work without it. My cordless phone's base station broadcasts, THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO USE IT.
It doesn't matter if you don't like the rules of English. They are what they are, and the only way to write English so that everyone can understand your idea is to follow the rules.
Also, I think leaving out entire words goes far beyond "rules" of a language. Start leaving out key words in ANY language, and you're going to have problems. If you think that's misguided, I don't know what to tell you since humans haven't developed the ability to read each others' minds yet..
Ahh... I see it now. Thanks for clearing that up with me, and sorry again for the flame.
Sorry, it's not a matter of semantics. Our language has certain rules. You can't start arbitrarly leaving out certain words and still convey the same meaning. An illegal monopoly is different than an illegal abuse of a monopoly. This basic breakdown is part of the reason, I believe, that we can't get anything done in this country anymore.
I'm sorry you think I was rude, but people really need to start being clearer in their speech, especially when it's written. To prove my point why I think this is necessary go read the other posts were people ARE insisting that MS doesn't legally have a monopoly..
I think we as a society should try much harder to "mean what you say, and say what you mean." Otherwise these "semantics" prevent any useful dialog on any topic.
Finally someone that gets it.. thank you for giving me some hope of intelligence on slashdot.
Except you rarely have competition, it's typically Comcast or nothing. Verizon or nothing. My suggestion wouldn't limit competition, it would help it because multiple companies would be allowed to compete over the CITY owned lines. The city owns and runs the physical layer, private companies would offer services over that layer.
The barrier to entry is leveled for everyone, the lines would be run as cheaply as possible, and service companies would compete to offer the best phone, internet, and TV access.
Christ, I never said roads weren't funded by gas tax. But that's a TAX, not a TOLL. A TOLL is something you pay each time you use.
The gas tax is a sales tax. You pay not for the use of the road, but a fixed amount per gallon. Yes, the gas TAX goes to help pay for the roads (supposedly, although the feds take money out of it for lots of other projects), but it's not directly tied to a particular road. I still pay the tax whether i use the gas to power my car or my lawnmower. Also, if I have an electric car, I CAN STILL USE THE PUBLIC ROADS. The only time I'd have to pay in that case is if I come to a TOLL road, where you had someone money before they let you drive on it.
Wow... I've re-read your post serveral times, I just don't see it as agreeing. At any rate I'll take you're word for it, and apology for flaming you back. :-)
God you guys are dense. Show me a law that says the monopoly itself is illegal. Every law I've seen says only it's the ABUSE of a monopoly which is illegal.
Bell was split not because it was a monopoly (which it had been for about a hundred years), but because it ABUSED the monopoly.
An illegal monopoly would be one that legally is not allowed to exist; that's quite different from a law which says you can't ABUSE a given monopoly.
Do you not understand the English language? "Illegal monopoly" would be a monopoly which has been made illegal. As in the monopoly cannot legally exist. Please show me any law which prohibits the mere existence of a monopoly. There aren't any; there are laws against ABUSING the monopoly.
No, that's where the difference lies. ABUSE is what's illegal, not having a monopoly. And abusing your monopoly doesn't always lead to being forced to give it up.
Read up on laws regarding cordless phones; an unencrypted cordless phone cannot be used to make phone calls.
Address handouts are there to make it easier to manage the network, not to be confused with permission to use the network. The SSID is required to make wireless work, so arguing it's being broadcast is an inventation to use the network is stupid. You can detect my cordless phone signal; that doesn't mean you can use my base station to make phone calls.
If there's any doubt, you assume it's private and stay off. Just because you don't see a no trespass sign doesn't mean there isn't one.
The wireless signal can no more be construed as an inventation anymore than my cordless phone's wireless signal. You're not allowed to use someone else's cordless phone to make a phone call. In some places, you can LISTEN to the signal, but not USE it.
So I think it's fair to use the exact same rules for WiFi. You can listen to someone's signal all you want, but you can't USE it to make check email any more than you'd be allowed to make a phone call from someone's base station.
Trespass is trespass, whether the gate is open or not.
No, the network's owner has specified the link isn't encrypted. That has nothing to do with whether or not the owner thinks its ok for YOU to use his network.
Ya, ok. I'll believe you because you say so, even though I notice you didn't answer the question.
So tell me, since you claim to know, what do CEOs do that is worth $1 million? Stop trying to dodge the question.
The abuse is illegal, the monopoly is not. There is a difference.
The personal desktop market isn't profitable when you have to compete against an illegal monopoly.
"Illegal monopoly" makes you sound like an idiot, because monopolies aren't illegal.
Oh shut up. "The most productive people?" Are you fucking kidding me? What EXACTLY does a CEO produce? If someone makes 1 million a year (and I'm hard pressed to think how any job that justifies that much) pays 50% tax, they still have a hell of a lot of money left. Compare to someone making 30k, 15% is a HUGE amount taken. And for what? An intrest free loan to the government? Wow.
You got a tax cut making 38k a year.. so what? Did you end up with $10 in your paycheck each week? People with higher incomes got to keep more, on everything from paychecks to capital gains.
Really? My wife and I make combined less than six figures, and my effective tax is 25.5%. Those that have more can afford to pay more. At the end of the day, some people have millions, so another million they won't even notice, but a few thousand dollars can be a big deal to me. So ya, I feel like we are paying for everything, since there's a lot more middle class than upper class and more strain on more people.
I think the ultimate solution is to eliminate almost all of the Federal government though, so we can ALL pay less.