Electricity is there though. Power usage drops off very significantly at night. People can just plug in their cars overnight. This also allows us to decouple energy generation from energy usage. Coal pollutes too much? Build a nuclear.
Hopefully Tesla Motors will finish their car soon, I'd love to hear how they run in real conditions.
Use of property for a fixed amount of time is not a lease? The program described just that. At the end of the lease you can 1) sign up for a new term 2) buy out the lease to own the software or 3) end it all.
Please, give me your definition of lease, and then explain to me if RentACenter offers some kind of tax advantage.
Well Microsoft is in the progress of getting a patent on the ribbon (which is stupid because there is prior art) and you need a license from Microsoft to use the ribbon. Now the license is free which is good, however there are clauses in the contract that forbids it's use if you are developing software that competes in any way with Microsoft. This means that open source software like OpenOffice can't have any kind of UI which bears any resemblance to a ribbon.
Oh well. That's what patents are supposed to do. But you're trying to claim it will be imposible for OOo to compete if it CAN'T copy the ribbon? Funny, because most here say the ribbon is crap. I guess you're saying its not though, but that the open source people can't innovate anything, only copy that which was done before.
Well because DRM is a waste of time for developers. It's impossible to protect content that you want still to be available for viewing by the same user that you are protecting it from, therefore the wasted time would have been better spent on other things. Yes the "bribing" was probably done by the marketing department, which unfortunately Microsoft seems to put more emphasis on than on actual development.
Who are you to decide what is a waste of time for developers? MS needs to implement it because hollywood wants it. Simple as that. Now, do you have any proof anyone was bribed?
I am talking about Linux in the general sense, I know it is not "a company". I am only mentioning what could be done, if you could hire professional outside developers to work on it full time. I'm am starting to wonder if you are a Microsoft employee or know someone who is.
Perhaps then you shouldn't talk as if it were a company. You might also be interested to know that IBM and many other companies actually do put money into Linux as well. But they also get lots of free help. So you think I'm an MS employee because I've been able to dismantle your argument completely? Hardly. I use their stuff and earn a living developing software with MS technology. That's about the extent of my relationship with them.
Well actually I am a professional software developer and have been in the business for the last 15 years, so I am far from being a 12 year old:) You can have almost bug free code, NASA can do it, of course it means you have to have a very tight software development and must spent a lot of time and money on testing and not waste time with useless stuff.
NASA can do it because for one they have to, lives depend on it. They also can do it because they have a larger budget and no real deadlines. Again, you switch when I call you out on something; you go from wanting 100% bug free code to "almost bug free," whatever that means.
You have to realise this is not some third party application we are talking about, this is the core OS which is used by millions of people every day, crashes and corruption bugs should be priority number one.
Yes, I do realize that. I also realize that in a company filled with Windows boxes, I've seen zero random file corruptions due to the OS. If files were corrupting as often as you have been attempting to claim, MS certainly would be out of business.
OK I think this thread here is getting a little out of control:) I think we can agree on that at least the fix is available and it is in testing which is good:)
That's been my arguement all along. I would hope at this point you agree that "Windows randomly corrupts files" is quite a bit different and misleading than this statement you just made.
But on an OS to which I have the code, I can dump any data that flows to my video or sound card and reencode it as I wish, rendering the DRM useless. If everyone used such open source OS systems, companies would not bother implementing DRM.
No need to switch though, as others correctly point out. Just don't buy DRMed content. Remember the disc format Divx?
Huh? Its not like Silverlight is a product that never shipped; they did release a 1.0, 2.0 has an alpha version. In addition, a beta 2.0 with go-live license is scheduled for release in this quarter.
From what I've heard, it will be better than expected, because they wanted to include two-way databinding, which means more of the Reflection API included. Guess we'll see very soon though..
We don't know if it is a huge deal or not how often do you check all your files for corruption? I have sometimes had my windows core files just corrupt for no reason, how am I supposed to know if this was the reason or not?
I'm sure lots of people save files and then never, ever open again. Sure. Also, it only occurs over a FILE SHARE, so why would something in \windows be 1) shared and 2) overwritten through said share and 3) using the file mode specified in the KB article? Not likely. More likely is a crappy harddrive or stupid user.
Well we do know that they had at least $14 billion in profit this year. If that isn't a shitload of money then I don't know what is and...uhm...maybe they could use their profits..I don't know...to actually make their products better?
Hmm, $14 billion sounds like a finite number to me. And again, THEY HAVE A HOTFIX! So it does sound like they used some of that money to fix the problem, and are spending more to verify it doesn't break something else.
You do realise the only reason for the ribbon interface change in 2007 is to keep a patent stranglehold on open source competitors? Ease of use had nothing to do with it.
Huh? How does the ribbon do anything to open source competitors? Believe it or not, I actually find it useful as well! But I guess that's just luck, because somehow their patent is keeping down the poor open source developers.
Yes the fix has been in testing for at least 4 months. I am glad they didn't waste their time adding DRM to Vista, bribing ISO members or anything like that.
Wow, two fallacies in as many sentences. First, why can't they fix this issue AND add DRM? Do you think it would result in a fix faster for every developer to focus on ONE problem? I sure as hell don't. More isn't always better. Second, you assume that the people "bribing" ISO members are even coders at all. If that happened, it sure as hell wasn't anyone with talent to fix the bug in the KB article.
Uhm maybe the reason could be that Linux doesn't have shitload of money? If Linux could hire developers to do units tests and quality assurance for that money. I can guarantie that it would be almost 100% bug free.
It doesn't need money because people give away their time on it for free. Anyone that wants to help can, vs. MS where you actually have to be an employee to contribute. Also, when did Linux become a company? Do you even really know what Linux is? I'm starting to wonder if you're some 12 year old kid spouting from his mom's basement.
It isn't even about the money it is about priorities. Do you but priority on fixing bugs and making your product actually better than the competitor, or do you focus on useless and obtrusive things like DRM and fighting your competitors with underhand tactics?
Ahh, back to the false dilemma. You can focus 100% on bugs because 1) there are probably always bugs, but they may only affect 0.00001% of cases and 2) you can't possibly know about all bugs just by looking at the code, they have to be discovered. Again, you sound like a 12 year old; at the very least you're not a professional software developer.
Yet I do hear of people targeting both.Net and Mono and being sucessful.
Those that use P/Invoke aren't trying to be cross platform, but that's their choice. No one is going to use P/Invoke and expect things to work on Mono. Nor is there a reason that you MUST use P/Invoke in your.Net application. Interesting that...
Maybe you should, you know, check out a techonology before you bash it. Silverlight 2.0 will still be in a sandbox. I'm not even sure there will be an OPTION to allow access to local files.. But please, bash on!
You still need room to grow suger cane (which by the way IS used, not everything is corn syrup) or switchgrass. So it doesn't really matter if you can do it right now. They still pollute as well. Even making it is not as friendly as once thought.
Then there are other benefits to the electric car too; the car becomes MUCH simpler. If we're going to make a switch, lets make a clean break that actually gives us a lot of net benefits, instead of trying to patch ICEs.
Yes but it is an OS level bug, since there is no list of affected programs in the KB article you can't really be sure if the program you are using has the possibility to corrupt your files. So from a users point of view this is basically "randomly corrupting files" when it happens.
There's no list because MS can't possibly know what programs do or don't setup the scenario. From a user's perspective, it doesn't seem like this is a huge deal, because you'd think that it would be all over, but it's not.
This is Microsoft we are talking about this company basically has unlimited amounts of money to throw at a problem.
No, they don't have unlimited amounts of money, and you don't know what their other expendatures are.
Instead of wasting time with useless features like DRM and eye candy (Vista) and UI changes for patent purposes only (Office 2007) they should instead fix core critical bugs in their OS and given that they have unlimited amount of money and resources I would expect their OS release to be almost 100% bug free.
Personally I like the eye candy and the ribbon in 2007. The ribbon I find especially useful. That said, if you actually read the KB article, you'll see there's a hotfix available. I would say it's fixed and the fix is undergoing testing.
If Linux can't be almost 100% bug free, why do you expect MS to be able to, especially with all the free (although of questionable quality) labor that Linux gets? That just seems unrealistic.
Yes, its the step 3 that makes it a smaller issue that you would like. Its not randomly corrupting files, it happens under a specific set of conditions.
The reason copyrights are supposed to expire is because it benefits society once ideas pass into the public domain. So, ideas really are always public domain, but we created copyright to give incentive to people to come up with new ideas.
I don't see the point wasting time on ethanol when a fully electric car is close. Also, I don't see how raising food prices helps us when combating rising fuel prices. The end goal IS to get rid of burning gasoline to move cars. Finding ways to supplement it just means we'll be using oil that much longer.
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Electricity is there though. Power usage drops off very significantly at night. People can just plug in their cars overnight. This also allows us to decouple energy generation from energy usage. Coal pollutes too much? Build a nuclear.
Hopefully Tesla Motors will finish their car soon, I'd love to hear how they run in real conditions.
Use of property for a fixed amount of time is not a lease? The program described just that. At the end of the lease you can 1) sign up for a new term 2) buy out the lease to own the software or 3) end it all.
Please, give me your definition of lease, and then explain to me if RentACenter offers some kind of tax advantage.
Well Microsoft is in the progress of getting a patent on the ribbon (which is stupid because there is prior art) and you need a license from Microsoft to use the ribbon. Now the license is free which is good, however there are clauses in the contract that forbids it's use if you are developing software that competes in any way with Microsoft. This means that open source software like OpenOffice can't have any kind of UI which bears any resemblance to a ribbon.
:) You can have almost bug free code, NASA can do it, of course it means you have to have a very tight software development and must spent a lot of time and money on testing and not waste time with useless stuff.
:) :)
Oh well. That's what patents are supposed to do. But you're trying to claim it will be imposible for OOo to compete if it CAN'T copy the ribbon? Funny, because most here say the ribbon is crap. I guess you're saying its not though, but that the open source people can't innovate anything, only copy that which was done before.
Well because DRM is a waste of time for developers. It's impossible to protect content that you want still to be available for viewing by the same user that you are protecting it from, therefore the wasted time would have been better spent on other things. Yes the "bribing" was probably done by the marketing department, which unfortunately Microsoft seems to put more emphasis on than on actual development.
Who are you to decide what is a waste of time for developers? MS needs to implement it because hollywood wants it. Simple as that. Now, do you have any proof anyone was bribed?
I am talking about Linux in the general sense, I know it is not "a company". I am only mentioning what could be done, if you could hire professional outside developers to work on it full time. I'm am starting to wonder if you are a Microsoft employee or know someone who is.
Perhaps then you shouldn't talk as if it were a company. You might also be interested to know that IBM and many other companies actually do put money into Linux as well. But they also get lots of free help. So you think I'm an MS employee because I've been able to dismantle your argument completely? Hardly. I use their stuff and earn a living developing software with MS technology. That's about the extent of my relationship with them.
Well actually I am a professional software developer and have been in the business for the last 15 years, so I am far from being a 12 year old
NASA can do it because for one they have to, lives depend on it. They also can do it because they have a larger budget and no real deadlines. Again, you switch when I call you out on something; you go from wanting 100% bug free code to "almost bug free," whatever that means.
You have to realise this is not some third party application we are talking about, this is the core OS which is used by millions of people every day, crashes and corruption bugs should be priority number one.
Yes, I do realize that. I also realize that in a company filled with Windows boxes, I've seen zero random file corruptions due to the OS. If files were corrupting as often as you have been attempting to claim, MS certainly would be out of business.
OK I think this thread here is getting a little out of control
I think we can agree on that at least the fix is available and it is in testing which is good
That's been my arguement all along. I would hope at this point you agree that "Windows randomly corrupts files" is quite a bit different and misleading than this statement you just made.
But on an OS to which I have the code, I can dump any data that flows to my video or sound card and reencode it as I wish, rendering the DRM useless. If everyone used such open source OS systems, companies would not bother implementing DRM.
No need to switch though, as others correctly point out. Just don't buy DRMed content. Remember the disc format Divx?
Hmm, wrong again, they actually have thought of that already. You guys really should read up on the techonogy you're trying to bash.
Huh? Its not like Silverlight is a product that never shipped; they did release a 1.0, 2.0 has an alpha version. In addition, a beta 2.0 with go-live license is scheduled for release in this quarter.
From what I've heard, it will be better than expected, because they wanted to include two-way databinding, which means more of the Reflection API included. Guess we'll see very soon though..
We don't know if it is a huge deal or not how often do you check all your files for corruption?
I have sometimes had my windows core files just corrupt for no reason, how am I supposed to know if this was the reason or not?
I'm sure lots of people save files and then never, ever open again. Sure. Also, it only occurs over a FILE SHARE, so why would something in \windows be 1) shared and 2) overwritten through said share and 3) using the file mode specified in the KB article? Not likely. More likely is a crappy harddrive or stupid user.
Well we do know that they had at least $14 billion in profit this year. If that isn't a shitload of money then I don't know what is
and...uhm...maybe they could use their profits..I don't know...to actually make their products better?
Hmm, $14 billion sounds like a finite number to me. And again, THEY HAVE A HOTFIX! So it does sound like they used some of that money to fix the problem, and are spending more to verify it doesn't break something else.
You do realise the only reason for the ribbon interface change in 2007 is to keep a patent stranglehold on open source competitors? Ease of use had nothing to do with it.
Huh? How does the ribbon do anything to open source competitors? Believe it or not, I actually find it useful as well! But I guess that's just luck, because somehow their patent is keeping down the poor open source developers.
Yes the fix has been in testing for at least 4 months. I am glad they didn't waste their time adding DRM to Vista, bribing ISO members or anything like that.
Wow, two fallacies in as many sentences. First, why can't they fix this issue AND add DRM? Do you think it would result in a fix faster for every developer to focus on ONE problem? I sure as hell don't. More isn't always better. Second, you assume that the people "bribing" ISO members are even coders at all. If that happened, it sure as hell wasn't anyone with talent to fix the bug in the KB article.
Uhm maybe the reason could be that Linux doesn't have shitload of money?
If Linux could hire developers to do units tests and quality assurance for that money. I can guarantie that it would be almost 100% bug free.
It doesn't need money because people give away their time on it for free. Anyone that wants to help can, vs. MS where you actually have to be an employee to contribute. Also, when did Linux become a company? Do you even really know what Linux is? I'm starting to wonder if you're some 12 year old kid spouting from his mom's basement.
It isn't even about the money it is about priorities. Do you but priority on fixing bugs and making your product actually better than the competitor, or do you focus on useless and obtrusive things like DRM and fighting your competitors with underhand tactics?
Ahh, back to the false dilemma. You can focus 100% on bugs because 1) there are probably always bugs, but they may only affect 0.00001% of cases and 2) you can't possibly know about all bugs just by looking at the code, they have to be discovered. Again, you sound like a 12 year old; at the very least you're not a professional software developer.
Yet I do hear of people targeting both .Net and Mono and being sucessful.
.Net application. Interesting that...
Those that use P/Invoke aren't trying to be cross platform, but that's their choice. No one is going to use P/Invoke and expect things to work on Mono. Nor is there a reason that you MUST use P/Invoke in your
Yes, well Java is still winning in that regard. ;-)
Maybe you should, you know, check out a techonology before you bash it. Silverlight 2.0 will still be in a sandbox. I'm not even sure there will be an OPTION to allow access to local files.. But please, bash on!
Damn MS and their versioning! There will be no Silverlight 1.1, its been renamed to 2.0.
.Net framework version; 3.0 should really be 2.5, 3.5 should be 3.0.. argh!
This started with the
Don't forget Moonlight as well. But yes, it is supposed to work and be supported as well.
Ever heard of Mono / Moonlight? Guess not..
I believe it's supposed to work with FF / Linux.
As a developer, I'm waiting for Silverlight 2.0 so that I can use .Net languages instead of that heap of crap which is Javascript.
Ya, because that stops all those all Flash sites.
You still need room to grow suger cane (which by the way IS used, not everything is corn syrup) or switchgrass. So it doesn't really matter if you can do it right now. They still pollute as well. Even making it is not as friendly as once thought.
Then there are other benefits to the electric car too; the car becomes MUCH simpler. If we're going to make a switch, lets make a clean break that actually gives us a lot of net benefits, instead of trying to patch ICEs.
Yes but it is an OS level bug, since there is no list of affected programs in the KB article you
can't really be sure if the program you are using has the possibility to corrupt your files.
So from a users point of view this is basically "randomly corrupting files" when it happens.
There's no list because MS can't possibly know what programs do or don't setup the scenario. From a user's perspective, it doesn't seem like this is a huge deal, because you'd think that it would be all over, but it's not.
This is Microsoft we are talking about this company basically has unlimited amounts of money to throw at a problem.
No, they don't have unlimited amounts of money, and you don't know what their other expendatures are.
Instead of wasting time with useless features like DRM and eye candy (Vista) and UI changes for patent purposes only (Office 2007) they should instead fix core critical bugs in their OS and given that they have unlimited amount of money and resources I would expect their OS release to be almost 100% bug free.
Personally I like the eye candy and the ribbon in 2007. The ribbon I find especially useful. That said, if you actually read the KB article, you'll see there's a hotfix available. I would say it's fixed and the fix is undergoing testing.
If Linux can't be almost 100% bug free, why do you expect MS to be able to, especially with all the free (although of questionable quality) labor that Linux gets? That just seems unrealistic.
So Da Vinci is not real art? Nor Shakespear? Please do tell, what is real art to you?
Yes, its the step 3 that makes it a smaller issue that you would like. Its not randomly corrupting files, it happens under a specific set of conditions.
Nothing like anecdote to pass on as evidence..
By simply using Windows XP and then share the file on a windows network you can possibly corrupt the file.
I see you can't even be bothered to read the KB articles you link, or your write political ads for a living. Anything to bash MS I suppose.
The reason copyrights are supposed to expire is because it benefits society once ideas pass into the public domain. So, ideas really are always public domain, but we created copyright to give incentive to people to come up with new ideas.
I don't see the point wasting time on ethanol when a fully electric car is close. Also, I don't see how raising food prices helps us when combating rising fuel prices. The end goal IS to get rid of burning gasoline to move cars. Finding ways to supplement it just means we'll be using oil that much longer.
So you're saying they copied the file from a backup on Windows Home server?