Look, all they're saying is that minors should have adult supervision when acquiring material that could be damaging to young minds.
Could be damaging? There are lots of other things that could be harmful to a minor (real, phyical things). Do we get rid of those too? A child could hurt themselves with a shovel or hammer. Should OK pass a law requiring ID to buy those things too?
Whether you like it or not, and whether or not you agree with the specific cutoffs or punnishments present in this bill, young minds are impressionable.
And studies show that playing a violent video game doesn't make you violent. They also show that parents are THE most infulential thing in a childs life, and that influence is much greater than the rest.
I'm not saying that every kid who plays Grand Theft Auto is going to go out and relive those experiences on the street, but I assert there are some kids who have not yet developed a sense of right and wrong, and for whom, exposure to this sort of material may establish certain Antisocial (in the psychological sense, follow the link before disagreeing with me) patterns in the developing mind.
If the child doesn't know right from wrong, a video game isn't going to be the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that the child was never taught right from wrong; more likely though, all children learn "right and wrong" although their views of right and wrong may conflict with society. A boy that sees him dad beat his mom may think nothing is wrong with beating a woman if she defies you. In the boy's mind, it may be that his mom was "wrong" for standing up to her husband. But to claim that a video game will teach something is absurd. From day one every child that plays a video game knows its entertainment, not real life. After all, its called a game.
But there are kids for whom this stuff would be damaging until they have a better sense of the world established. I know; my wife works with them, and she also works with the kids who got access to violent and/or highly pornographic content at the wrong stage of their psychological development.
Bad parenting is what is causing the damage. Do you really think that a child who finds porn will suddenly have his mind blown and that nothing the parents taught him have a sway any longer? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you. How about posting the other problems in these kids lives. And what exactly is wrong with these kids. Until you post more specifics, I'm going to assume you're full of shit. And FWIW, I saw 'highly pornographic' stuff in 4th grade, yet I never turned into some twisted sexual sadist, as you seem to imply I should have.
All this law is saying (and those proposed which are like it), is that kids need adult oversight to get access to this material.
Kids need oversight, yes. Does everyone else not involved in raising kids need this law? Nope. How about passing a bad parenting law, to get these morons to raise their kids properly, and leave the rest of us alone.
Its is the PARENTS job to give oversight to their children; no one elses.
The modern linux desktop does not require this anymore, not for a great many years.
Really? Because I still couldn't get away from it running Mandriva 2005.
Or, more likely, you'll get help.
No, most likely you'll get no answers. Unless your question is simple and obvious. But if its a tougher, one, well, you're on your own.
The modern linux desktop does not require this anymore, not for a great many years.
This thankfully was true. It was fun being able to recompile the kernel at first, to optimize it. But it quickly grew tiresome.
Luckily for them, it's vastly easier than the nightmare scenario you describe, and they would likely have on average as easy or as hard of a time as on Windows.
I'm a software engineer, and I moved back to Windows at home because I was tired of reading pages and pages on getting things to work the way I wanted. I moved back to Windows because I started come across things which should be simple (for example, getting the newest KMail or Kopete.. you know the one you have to get because MSN shut them out again). Or trying to get my usb printer working. Or figuring out why KDE seemed to get buggier by the day.
I like Linux, but when I just want to use my computer and not fight with it, it seems Windows is the better choice.
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It's all bullshit "what ifs". There's no such thing as a "good new law".
Except that telcos are actively working to put this plan into place. So its a little beyond 'what ifs.'
I think that murder laws are pretty good; I think keeping companies from raising prices for everyone but with out any benefit to those people is a good thing too.
Lets say the telco's get their way. What benefit does it have for anyone but the telcos (who get a larger profit margin)?
Nice troll, especially considering the hidden assumption that Windows 98 would only be dragged along to support some legacy proprietary application.
No hidden assumption; we're talking about people's home computer here. They didn't update because they didn't feel it was necessary.
The fact is that Linux isn't there yet. Trust me, I tried for five years, and while I did see alot of improvement, the fact that I just can't buy a printer without checking some list speaks volumes. Ya, I know, its the printer makers fault. The bottom line though, I don't care, I just want to use my fucking printer without spending hours and hours researching it, only to find that, no, I can't.
Would the '98 user be able to keep running his same version of Quicken (also likely outdated)? Can they use the email program they are familar with. Or will they have to figure out how to move thier mail to a new mail client? For someone that doesn't want to upgrade to the newest Windows, do you think they'll want to learn something totally different?
Are you talking about cell or land lines? I haven't heard of any charges because a Verizon (landline) customer calls SBC. I have Vongage, and haven't been charged by any receiver of the call... I actually think its illegal.
Without support for Windows 98, what will users with limited-capability computers (e.g., computers equipped with 300-MHz processors) do?
Release they got their money's worth out of an almost 10 year old computer, and plop down $300 for a newer one? Or they could install Linux, although they'd be able to do less than they do with their computers now.
Or, as the article points out, put the computer behind a firewall, which pretty much every home user should do regardless of OS.
Beyond that, the game was rated M, which is the rating for 17+, which is the same age range as NC-17 which is the adult film category in the states.
It goes beyond that; the next highest rating is AO, which I believe means that anyone 18+ can buy it. Are 17yr olds really that different than 18 yr olds?
Its just as destructive to a young impressionable mind in my opinion.
Nevermind that your opinion is in direct conflict with research studies. That doesn't suprise me, you probably believe an invisible man created you from nothing and gets angry if you have sex before marriage. Or if you choose to use your free will and not show him any love or respect.
Of course they don't mention that anyone who uses Dell OpenManage(TM) to install blade servers and probably other servers is actually using Linux to setup the RAID and install Windows. Since OpenManage is actually running on a Linux kernel. Somehow I find it reassuring to know that the Windows admins that I work with use Linux all the time to setup the RAID on a blade.
What difference does it make that OpenManager uses Linux instead of Windows?
I'm sure that they probably count that as a Microsoft install even though lots of Linux admins simply don't need to have RedHat on their server by default.
Call me crazy, but I'd think they'd count those as a No OS install.
They do have the option for "Red Hat Enterprise Linux - No Factory Installed Operating System", but I think when you initially read through the options its not obvious that that's a "no OS" install.
Its not obvious why this is a choice at all. Why not 'No OS'? Or do they include media? If they include media, they're likely to count that as a Linux install. If not, then the selection is pointless.
So I'd say that Linux probably accounts for closer to 30-40%, if not even 50% of Dell's server sales.
Do you always just make up numbers? Really, why do you doubt the numbers they put out?
You really don't understand anything about this issue at all do you.
There is no free market in ISPs. Even if your ISP doesn't do this, your packets may HAVE to go through Bell South, who does charge google. You're still affected, because even though they are charging google, google will have to raise its prices for advertising, which will cost more to the businesses advertising, which in turn will cause them to raise your prices. All for a money grab on the ISPs part; we're not running out of bandwidth, the internet is collapsing. This is a money grab, pure and simple.
By the way: do you mind that Verizon charges less when you call in-network as opposed to out-of-network?
Yes. Modern telephone functions much like the internet, and it doesn't cost them anything more to route my call locally than it does long distance. Long distance charges are a hold over from when you actually had operators connecting the wires for you.
To use your analogy, this is like the UPS truck having to pay tolls on all roads in all the states it drives though, even though the roads have already been paid for.
maybe because Google IS already paying for their bandwidth? They have an ISP too you know, and they pay loads for that connection. I'm paying for my connection too.
Not supporting net neutrality means you want to go back to the days of AOL, CompuServ and Prodigy; each provider was private and members could only access content that their provider allowed. Wanted to email AOL user from Prodigy? Sorry, you can't.
That only changed when ISPs started allowing access to anything on the internet, and then suddenly the value of AOL et. al. declined.
It should have read 'wealthy white men vote to increase their profits.'
All that the end of net neutrality will do is raise prices for everyone, with no benefit to anyone except the telcos who will now be raking in more money, for doing nothing.
Actually not for doing nothing; they will have to spend money to make this work, wherease net neutrality would have meant they carry on same as usual.
So than what exactly is a "gold mine of personal information"? Is the information etched in gold bricks? Its followed by "literal" but doesn't make sense taken literally, does it?
A server blocked by a firewall cannot be part of the World-Wide Web. Nobody cares how many copies of IIS are currently deployed on the DVDs in my MSDN binder either.
I would say plenty of people care, if the goal is to really see how many servers are IIS or Apache which are in production use. The copy on your MSDN DVD doesn't count because its not runnable.
To see how stupid your argument is replace Web server with Desktop OS. "No body cares how many installs of XP are behind a firewall." Please, explain to me that when trying to determine market share you count all Sql Servers, not just the ones "everybody" uses, but for web servers it MUST be public? Bull.
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Look, all they're saying is that minors should have adult supervision when acquiring material that could be damaging to young minds.
Could be damaging? There are lots of other things that could be harmful to a minor (real, phyical things). Do we get rid of those too? A child could hurt themselves with a shovel or hammer. Should OK pass a law requiring ID to buy those things too?
Whether you like it or not, and whether or not you agree with the specific cutoffs or punnishments present in this bill, young minds are impressionable.
And studies show that playing a violent video game doesn't make you violent. They also show that parents are THE most infulential thing in a childs life, and that influence is much greater than the rest.
I'm not saying that every kid who plays Grand Theft Auto is going to go out and relive those experiences on the street, but I assert there are some kids who have not yet developed a sense of right and wrong, and for whom, exposure to this sort of material may establish certain Antisocial (in the psychological sense, follow the link before disagreeing with me) patterns in the developing mind.
If the child doesn't know right from wrong, a video game isn't going to be the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that the child was never taught right from wrong; more likely though, all children learn "right and wrong" although their views of right and wrong may conflict with society. A boy that sees him dad beat his mom may think nothing is wrong with beating a woman if she defies you. In the boy's mind, it may be that his mom was "wrong" for standing up to her husband. But to claim that a video game will teach something is absurd. From day one every child that plays a video game knows its entertainment, not real life. After all, its called a game.
But there are kids for whom this stuff would be damaging until they have a better sense of the world established. I know; my wife works with them, and she also works with the kids who got access to violent and/or highly pornographic content at the wrong stage of their psychological development.
Bad parenting is what is causing the damage. Do you really think that a child who finds porn will suddenly have his mind blown and that nothing the parents taught him have a sway any longer? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you. How about posting the other problems in these kids lives. And what exactly is wrong with these kids. Until you post more specifics, I'm going to assume you're full of shit. And FWIW, I saw 'highly pornographic' stuff in 4th grade, yet I never turned into some twisted sexual sadist, as you seem to imply I should have.
All this law is saying (and those proposed which are like it), is that kids need adult oversight to get access to this material.
Kids need oversight, yes. Does everyone else not involved in raising kids need this law? Nope. How about passing a bad parenting law, to get these morons to raise their kids properly, and leave the rest of us alone.
Its is the PARENTS job to give oversight to their children; no one elses.
Are you totally ignorant or just trying to troll? The US Constitution overrides any federal and state laws.
Expecting Windows to do what you need out-of-the-box, without putting any work into it... sure, that's hit or miss.
Hmm, I wonder how many people would bash Windows if someone said that. "It should work out of the box!!1!"
That was my problem with Linux, I got tired of things not working out of the box.
The modern linux desktop does not require this anymore, not for a great many years.
Really? Because I still couldn't get away from it running Mandriva 2005.
Or, more likely, you'll get help.
No, most likely you'll get no answers. Unless your question is simple and obvious. But if its a tougher, one, well, you're on your own.
The modern linux desktop does not require this anymore, not for a great many years.
This thankfully was true. It was fun being able to recompile the kernel at first, to optimize it. But it quickly grew tiresome.
Luckily for them, it's vastly easier than the nightmare scenario you describe, and they would likely have on average as easy or as hard of a time as on Windows.
I'm a software engineer, and I moved back to Windows at home because I was tired of reading pages and pages on getting things to work the way I wanted. I moved back to Windows because I started come across things which should be simple (for example, getting the newest KMail or Kopete.. you know the one you have to get because MSN shut them out again). Or trying to get my usb printer working. Or figuring out why KDE seemed to get buggier by the day.
I like Linux, but when I just want to use my computer and not fight with it, it seems Windows is the better choice.
It's all bullshit "what ifs". There's no such thing as a "good new law".
Except that telcos are actively working to put this plan into place. So its a little beyond 'what ifs.'
I think that murder laws are pretty good; I think keeping companies from raising prices for everyone but with out any benefit to those people is a good thing too.
Lets say the telco's get their way. What benefit does it have for anyone but the telcos (who get a larger profit margin)?
Nice troll, especially considering the hidden assumption that Windows 98 would only be dragged along to support some legacy proprietary application.
No hidden assumption; we're talking about people's home computer here. They didn't update because they didn't feel it was necessary.
The fact is that Linux isn't there yet. Trust me, I tried for five years, and while I did see alot of improvement, the fact that I just can't buy a printer without checking some list speaks volumes. Ya, I know, its the printer makers fault. The bottom line though, I don't care, I just want to use my fucking printer without spending hours and hours researching it, only to find that, no, I can't.
Would the '98 user be able to keep running his same version of Quicken (also likely outdated)? Can they use the email program they are familar with. Or will they have to figure out how to move thier mail to a new mail client? For someone that doesn't want to upgrade to the newest Windows, do you think they'll want to learn something totally different?
Being visible to the internet isn't built into the definition of a web server either.
Are you talking about cell or land lines? I haven't heard of any charges because a Verizon (landline) customer calls SBC. I have Vongage, and haven't been charged by any receiver of the call... I actually think its illegal.
Without support for Windows 98, what will users with limited-capability computers (e.g., computers equipped with 300-MHz processors) do?
Release they got their money's worth out of an almost 10 year old computer, and plop down $300 for a newer one? Or they could install Linux, although they'd be able to do less than they do with their computers now.
Or, as the article points out, put the computer behind a firewall, which pretty much every home user should do regardless of OS.
Beyond that, the game was rated M, which is the rating for 17+, which is the same age range as NC-17 which is the adult film category in the states.
It goes beyond that; the next highest rating is AO, which I believe means that anyone 18+ can buy it. Are 17yr olds really that different than 18 yr olds?
Its just as destructive to a young impressionable mind in my opinion.
Nevermind that your opinion is in direct conflict with research studies. That doesn't suprise me, you probably believe an invisible man created you from nothing and gets angry if you have sex before marriage. Or if you choose to use your free will and not show him any love or respect.
Are you asking them as a business customer or home customer? If its the latter, the support is horrid.
Of course they don't mention that anyone who uses Dell OpenManage(TM) to install blade servers and probably other servers is actually using Linux to setup the RAID and install Windows. Since OpenManage is actually running on a Linux kernel. Somehow I find it reassuring to know that the Windows admins that I work with use Linux all the time to setup the RAID on a blade.
What difference does it make that OpenManager uses Linux instead of Windows?
I'm sure that they probably count that as a Microsoft install even though lots of Linux admins simply don't need to have RedHat on their server by default.
Call me crazy, but I'd think they'd count those as a No OS install.
They do have the option for "Red Hat Enterprise Linux - No Factory Installed Operating System", but I think when you initially read through the options its not obvious that that's a "no OS" install.
Its not obvious why this is a choice at all. Why not 'No OS'? Or do they include media? If they include media, they're likely to count that as a Linux install. If not, then the selection is pointless.
So I'd say that Linux probably accounts for closer to 30-40%, if not even 50% of Dell's server sales.
Do you always just make up numbers? Really, why do you doubt the numbers they put out?
Wow, you're really fallen for the overhyped crap the media outlets call news haven't you?
Nevermind that most child molesters are family members. Lets safely ignore that, and blame myspace because 3 people were stupid.
You really don't understand anything about this issue at all do you.
There is no free market in ISPs. Even if your ISP doesn't do this, your packets may HAVE to go through Bell South, who does charge google. You're still affected, because even though they are charging google, google will have to raise its prices for advertising, which will cost more to the businesses advertising, which in turn will cause them to raise your prices. All for a money grab on the ISPs part; we're not running out of bandwidth, the internet is collapsing. This is a money grab, pure and simple.
Maybe this will help you: Regulation isn't always wrong and is sometimes necessary! There, I hope you now understand things better.
By the way: do you mind that Verizon charges less when you call in-network as opposed to out-of-network?
Yes. Modern telephone functions much like the internet, and it doesn't cost them anything more to route my call locally than it does long distance. Long distance charges are a hold over from when you actually had operators connecting the wires for you.
To use your analogy, this is like the UPS truck having to pay tolls on all roads in all the states it drives though, even though the roads have already been paid for.
maybe because Google IS already paying for their bandwidth? They have an ISP too you know, and they pay loads for that connection. I'm paying for my connection too.
Not supporting net neutrality means you want to go back to the days of AOL, CompuServ and Prodigy; each provider was private and members could only access content that their provider allowed. Wanted to email AOL user from Prodigy? Sorry, you can't.
That only changed when ISPs started allowing access to anything on the internet, and then suddenly the value of AOL et. al. declined.
It should have read 'wealthy white men vote to increase their profits.'
All that the end of net neutrality will do is raise prices for everyone, with no benefit to anyone except the telcos who will now be raking in more money, for doing nothing.
Actually not for doing nothing; they will have to spend money to make this work, wherease net neutrality would have meant they carry on same as usual.
No, it won't. It will auto play CDs, but not usb drives.
FWIW, in KDE (and probably gnome), you have icons for both programs and data files as well.
So than what exactly is a "gold mine of personal information"? Is the information etched in gold bricks? Its followed by "literal" but doesn't make sense taken literally, does it?
Which program did you get that message from? I'm willing to bet you made it up. Dumbass troll.
A server blocked by a firewall cannot be part of the World-Wide Web. Nobody cares how many copies of IIS are currently deployed on the DVDs in my MSDN binder either.
I would say plenty of people care, if the goal is to really see how many servers are IIS or Apache which are in production use. The copy on your MSDN DVD doesn't count because its not runnable.
To see how stupid your argument is replace Web server with Desktop OS. "No body cares how many installs of XP are behind a firewall." Please, explain to me that when trying to determine market share you count all Sql Servers, not just the ones "everybody" uses, but for web servers it MUST be public? Bull.
Not guesswork; likely he took 123 and added 123 more, and repeated until he went over 247. That's an algorithm. At least that was my approach.