These are not programming languages. They are markup languages.
HTTP
This is a data exchange protocol, not a programming language. Oh, and by the way, I did we work for 5 years, and never really had to worry about the details of how HTTP works.
Javascript
This is a 'language.' A shitty scripting language, but finally you've mentioned a valid programming language.
and MOST of those won't have decent IDE support.
I dunno, VS2005 seems to be very helpful with CSS, XML, HTML, javascript and my server language. The browser and IIS talk HTTP to each other, so I don't need to worry about that too much.
if you can't escape that handicapp, then i don't want you working for me.
I've yet to have the IDE hold me back; in fact, NOT having the IDE makes me much less productive. Unless you think I'm being productive by typing a lower case letter instead of an upper case letter in C++ and then finding out when I compile it.
Personally, I wouldn't want to work for you, as you don't even seem to know what a programming language is.
(Note: i would support at the very least a syntax-sensitive editor with color highlighting, but even then someone could just learning to recognize colors, not learning to read the language, and that can hurt them later on.)
Ugh. YOu really believe color coding hides the true meaning of keywords and variables?
again, *programming* and *software development* are two different things. IDEs are great for software development, but IDEs have also created a world where i see a ton of shitty programmers.
I think the shitty programmers are people that heard they can make lots of money fast by programming! Add in your local technical school and VB6, and there you go. But its hardly the fault of IDEs.
and shitty programmers aren't terribly good at software development.
But you all run off to Java because that's what someone shoved in front of your face and said, "Jump, froggy!"
Maybe they learn Java because they are trying to learn OOP, not data centric or assembly programming?
Nevermind that it translates to C++ about as readily as an "easy" cryptogram in a crossword puzzle translates to English.
Why the hell would you write something in Java and try to move it to C++? Who cares if you its difficult to move it to C++? It would be just as difficult (if not more so) to move a C++ program to assembly.
I've gone up the parent trail to your original post. And the only 'service' you describe is 'what if the company doesn't pay its workers.' And I answered that. The juristiction will be NYC, and the COURT fees will be paid by one or both parties.
Outside of that 'company wont pay its workers' scenario you describe, you've offered NOTHING else that NYC provides to telecommuters.
Oh, you also point out that companies don't pay their fair share of taxes. That's a seperate issue, and not a good reason to double tax telecommuters.
So if you present another service (other than a vague reference that somehow NYC is protecting telecommuters from 'abuses') I'd respond it. Hell, just give me a link to a post where you point out something other than the issues I've already addressed.
If you can't provide anything except 'NYC keeps companies from abusing employees' without specfifying the specific abuses which I've already talked about, then you pretty much don't have any case whatsoever.
NYC spends lots of money in ongoing operations that deter employers from abusing employees.
Really? Please name some of these ongoing operations; don't forget to detail exactly what these abuses are they the operations are preventing. I suspect that you're full of it.
Those costs spike when the system fails to prevent the exploitation, but they're spent daily.
The only 'explotation' would be a company not paying the telecommuter. And as stated before, the city would recoup any costs via court and lawyer fees paid by one or both parties.
Please let us know when employers take care of employees out of the goodness of their hearts.
How exactly should an employer 'take care' of its telecommuters? They are paid and get benefits, what more do you want? Its not like they can possibly be working in an unsafe environment.
Example: Out of state travelers using state highways. They don't pay for those highways in any form.
They also pay state sales tax on items bought, as well as gasoline tax. No, its not as much as a resident would pay, but they use taht highway a lot less than residents.
Who said the services should be paid by the consumer specifically? I'd love that to be the case, because then I wouldn't have to pay for all the crap of which I don't take advantage or support all the free loaders.
Because its fair. Also, I support the notion of cutting off all the freeloaders. Health care is not a right, nor is it anyones right to force everyone else to pay for that person or thier children.
Your single fringe case example doesn't prove anything. First off, how often does that really happen that justifies a telecommuter paying for police in NYC? Second, you file a case in NYC, and you'll more than likely have to pay court fees (or perhaps the company will when it loses).
The fact is that there are no services which aren't already being paid for by the telecommuters employer, so there's no reason for the telecommuter to pay taxes to NYC.
Please let us know what day to day expenses are incurred by NYC which aren't being paid for.
I think it stinks personally. As another poster said, you can tweak it so you don't owe or get money back. If you can do that, why tax the overpayment?
You're actually paying a penalty when you overpay your taxes.
Um, how exactly will a non-NY resident be able to lobby the state of NY to reform tax laws?
I'm sure the state representitves don't care about non-residents at all.
Employers likely don't care as well, as they already think they are doing the employee a favor by letting them telecommute.
Personally, I think you should be able to drop an entire tax bracket down if you telecommute for more than 50% of your work week. The employee saves money in gas and auto maintence, the employer could get away with less office space, and everyone has some clearer air. The only loser is the oil companies. How sad that such a tax break might lessen their record profits.
While I will admit, using a laptop for a test install of a beta is a bad idea it isn't the worst thing ever. Windows is notoriously bad for driver support and I have had to install drivers for an FA311 after installing Windows (I think it was 2k) and the FA311 by Netgear has to be one of the most common Network cards ever.
Considering that the LAST windows os that card supports is Win2k, I have a feeling that it was released before Win2k was, and drivers were made available later. From Netgears site, it doesn't even list WinXP as one of the compatible OSes (not saying it won't work, but neither is Netgear).
Of course, default video card drivers in Windows also suck. So even if there is a driver installed you still need to go get the "real" ones from ATI or nVidia. So, please do not attribute this problem to simply a beta install or a problem common with Linux and laptops.
The default video card drivers for Linux suck too. Performance was significately improved using the NVidia X drivers.
Stop bashing MS because hardware vendors have not released Vista drivers yet. Vista hasn't even been released yet..
WTF? An OS installation from restore CDs? Can you tell me where to get vista restore CDs? (or linux ones for that matter?)
I think that is his point; there ARE none yet, so of course all those custom drivers that the laptop makers put do not yet exist for Vista.
The success of a new operating system depends at least in part on how easy it is to install.
True, but do you really expect MS to make drivers for EVERY device out there, even those that seem to require custom drivers? Some devices you simply MUST get the drivers from the manufactorer, there's no way around it.
If you'd read the article, you would know that he did:
I did try installing Vista on two other laptops. One, it turns out, needs a new Real Time Clock battery (a trip to the manufacturer is needed) and another which had a massive hard drive failure at the beginning of the installation process.
So now are you trying to claim hardware failures are the fault of Vista?
There are legit reasons to bash MS; try sticking to those. Bashing for everything just makes you look silly.
And why does Slashdot insist on leaving off the double-yous, anyway? They're already bucking convention, why would they comply with this?
Actually I believe the tread is moving away from having www. In the oldern days, it was helpful as it was usually a seperate server for http content, but now-a-days, aren't people directed to the correct machine via a firewall redirection based on port?
Thats their choice, they paid their money and so can exspect a certain level of service as a result. But what gives them any right to tell an OSS developer what to do?
I thought OSS developers actually wanted people to use the software they are creating. Having the features they want is a good way to do that.
What gives anyone the right to tell me when I make an offical build from CVS? Just because something they want isn't in an offical build they want me to take time out of fixing other bugs to make them a build.
Because otherwise your software is useless to most people? What good are your bug fixes if your users can't get them?
Everyone wants something for nothing and they want it now, that not what OSS is about.
I thought OSS was to make good, free, open source software, because people should have the source and / or software should be free. If you just want to write your own personal software, fine, do that. But you're writing OSS, for free, because you want to better the lot of your fellow man. You're doing a dis-service if you're slow to release. After all, isn't that one of the benefits of open source, that patches come out so quickly?
I had lingering concerns about 911. I've actually had to call 911 once because I was being burglarized (the cops actually came in time and caught them!). So, I'm extremely sensitive to the question of 911 not getting routed properly.
I'm curious, why not buy a gun? I know it won't help for other emergencies, but if someone breaks into your house, well, they deserve whatever they get.
That sounds to me like the store selling the game is in trouble, not the game studio.
What, you don't think having your product removed from the store (and probably all the other local stores too, once they catch wind) would hurt the game company?
Either you misread something or the part where the game maker can be sued was omitted from the article. Could you point me to a resource where it's stated that the game maker can be held liable as well?
Sorry, I did misread that. But I would argue that not being able to sell your product in a community would harm the studios as well. Once its pulled from one store, all the other ones in the area will follow suit, just out of fear.
I'd love to read that for myself. If this is the case, such a law really is over the top.
It IS over the top. Would they pull all the Playboys from the shelves if a store sold porn to a minor? They might be fined, but AFAIK you don't need a license to sell porn.
My only problem with Vongage was that they were charging a percentage tax, but the base amount was 0 (first month free). For some reason he didn't understand that $0 * any_mumber = 0.
The law says that the game company can be sued as well. So I'd say that's a burden, wouldn't you?
Its also a burden on the store; they have to spend more time training their employees to look for ids, learn to tell real from fake, and when the store is busy, they will be selling less because of the slowdown.
This is more of an issue in grocery stores; ever been in an express line and the cashier has to go across the store because they aren't allowed to OK out of state licenses? Customers want the line to move, they don't care why its being slowed down.
Your effective speed is capped by law (which, by the way, I find fault in, for some of the reasons you mention).
So lets assume you follow the law, a BMW won't get you there any faster than a Kia (actually if you drive significatly over the limit, past what a Kia can do, you'll likely get there later, having been pulled over).
How does an internet connection have style anyway? Thats why the analogy sucks.
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XML, HTML, CSS,
These are not programming languages. They are markup languages.
HTTP
This is a data exchange protocol, not a programming language. Oh, and by the way, I did we work for 5 years, and never really had to worry about the details of how HTTP works.
Javascript
This is a 'language.' A shitty scripting language, but finally you've mentioned a valid programming language.
and MOST of those won't have decent IDE support.
I dunno, VS2005 seems to be very helpful with CSS, XML, HTML, javascript and my server language. The browser and IIS talk HTTP to each other, so I don't need to worry about that too much.
if you can't escape that handicapp, then i don't want you working for me.
I've yet to have the IDE hold me back; in fact, NOT having the IDE makes me much less productive. Unless you think I'm being productive by typing a lower case letter instead of an upper case letter in C++ and then finding out when I compile it.
Personally, I wouldn't want to work for you, as you don't even seem to know what a programming language is.
(Note: i would support at the very least a syntax-sensitive editor with color highlighting, but even then someone could just learning to recognize colors, not learning to read the language, and that can hurt them later on.)
Ugh. YOu really believe color coding hides the true meaning of keywords and variables?
again, *programming* and *software development* are two different things. IDEs are great for software development, but IDEs have also created a world where i see a ton of shitty programmers.
I think the shitty programmers are people that heard they can make lots of money fast by programming! Add in your local technical school and VB6, and there you go. But its hardly the fault of IDEs.
and shitty programmers aren't terribly good at software development.
Wow, big suprise.
But you all run off to Java because that's what someone shoved in front of your face and said, "Jump, froggy!"
Maybe they learn Java because they are trying to learn OOP, not data centric or assembly programming?
Nevermind that it translates to C++ about as readily as an "easy" cryptogram in a crossword puzzle translates to English.
Why the hell would you write something in Java and try to move it to C++? Who cares if you its difficult to move it to C++? It would be just as difficult (if not more so) to move a C++ program to assembly.
I've gone up the parent trail to your original post. And the only 'service' you describe is 'what if the company doesn't pay its workers.' And I answered that. The juristiction will be NYC, and the COURT fees will be paid by one or both parties.
Outside of that 'company wont pay its workers' scenario you describe, you've offered NOTHING else that NYC provides to telecommuters.
Oh, you also point out that companies don't pay their fair share of taxes. That's a seperate issue, and not a good reason to double tax telecommuters.
So if you present another service (other than a vague reference that somehow NYC is protecting telecommuters from 'abuses') I'd respond it. Hell, just give me a link to a post where you point out something other than the issues I've already addressed.
If you can't provide anything except 'NYC keeps companies from abusing employees' without specfifying the specific abuses which I've already talked about, then you pretty much don't have any case whatsoever.
NYC spends lots of money in ongoing operations that deter employers from abusing employees.
Really? Please name some of these ongoing operations; don't forget to detail exactly what these abuses are they the operations are preventing. I suspect that you're full of it.
Those costs spike when the system fails to prevent the exploitation, but they're spent daily.
The only 'explotation' would be a company not paying the telecommuter. And as stated before, the city would recoup any costs via court and lawyer fees paid by one or both parties.
Please let us know when employers take care of employees out of the goodness of their hearts.
How exactly should an employer 'take care' of its telecommuters? They are paid and get benefits, what more do you want? Its not like they can possibly be working in an unsafe environment.
Why? You think its right for some to freeload off of others? How is that fair exactly?
Example: Out of state travelers using state highways. They don't pay for those highways in any form.
They also pay state sales tax on items bought, as well as gasoline tax. No, its not as much as a resident would pay, but they use taht highway a lot less than residents.
Care to try again?
We're talking about a new law that would also hand free services to telecommuters, too.
What services are being provided for free by NYC to a resident whom telecommutes from NJ?
Who said the services should be paid by the consumer specifically? I'd love that to be the case, because then I wouldn't have to pay for all the crap of which I don't take advantage or support all the free loaders.
Because its fair. Also, I support the notion of cutting off all the freeloaders. Health care is not a right, nor is it anyones right to force everyone else to pay for that person or thier children.
Your single fringe case example doesn't prove anything. First off, how often does that really happen that justifies a telecommuter paying for police in NYC? Second, you file a case in NYC, and you'll more than likely have to pay court fees (or perhaps the company will when it loses).
The fact is that there are no services which aren't already being paid for by the telecommuters employer, so there's no reason for the telecommuter to pay taxes to NYC.
Please let us know what day to day expenses are incurred by NYC which aren't being paid for.
Um, don't most people that live upstate live in Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and Albany?
All states with income tax will tax the refund.
The feds do it too.
I think it stinks personally. As another poster said, you can tweak it so you don't owe or get money back. If you can do that, why tax the overpayment?
You're actually paying a penalty when you overpay your taxes.
Um, how exactly will a non-NY resident be able to lobby the state of NY to reform tax laws?
I'm sure the state representitves don't care about non-residents at all.
Employers likely don't care as well, as they already think they are doing the employee a favor by letting them telecommute.
Personally, I think you should be able to drop an entire tax bracket down if you telecommute for more than 50% of your work week. The employee saves money in gas and auto maintence, the employer could get away with less office space, and everyone has some clearer air. The only loser is the oil companies. How sad that such a tax break might lessen their record profits.
While I will admit, using a laptop for a test install of a beta is a bad idea it isn't the worst thing ever. Windows is notoriously bad for driver support and I have had to install drivers for an FA311 after installing Windows (I think it was 2k) and the FA311 by Netgear has to be one of the most common Network cards ever.
Considering that the LAST windows os that card supports is Win2k, I have a feeling that it was released before Win2k was, and drivers were made available later. From Netgears site, it doesn't even list WinXP as one of the compatible OSes (not saying it won't work, but neither is Netgear).
Of course, default video card drivers in Windows also suck. So even if there is a driver installed you still need to go get the "real" ones from ATI or nVidia. So, please do not attribute this problem to simply a beta install or a problem common with Linux and laptops.
The default video card drivers for Linux suck too. Performance was significately improved using the NVidia X drivers.
Stop bashing MS because hardware vendors have not released Vista drivers yet. Vista hasn't even been released yet..
WTF? An OS installation from restore CDs? Can you tell me where to get vista restore CDs? (or linux ones for that matter?)
I think that is his point; there ARE none yet, so of course all those custom drivers that the laptop makers put do not yet exist for Vista.
The success of a new operating system depends at least in part on how easy it is to install.
True, but do you really expect MS to make drivers for EVERY device out there, even those that seem to require custom drivers? Some devices you simply MUST get the drivers from the manufactorer, there's no way around it.
If you'd read the article, you would know that he did:
I did try installing Vista on two other laptops. One, it turns out, needs a new Real Time Clock battery (a trip to the manufacturer is needed) and another which had a massive hard drive failure at the beginning of the installation process.
So now are you trying to claim hardware failures are the fault of Vista?
There are legit reasons to bash MS; try sticking to those. Bashing for everything just makes you look silly.
And why does Slashdot insist on leaving off the double-yous, anyway? They're already bucking convention, why would they comply with this?
Actually I believe the tread is moving away from having www. In the oldern days, it was helpful as it was usually a seperate server for http content, but now-a-days, aren't people directed to the correct machine via a firewall redirection based on port?
Thats their choice, they paid their money and so can exspect a certain level of service as a result. But what gives them any right to tell an OSS developer what to do?
I thought OSS developers actually wanted people to use the software they are creating. Having the features they want is a good way to do that.
What gives anyone the right to tell me when I make an offical build from CVS? Just because something they want isn't in an offical build they want me to take time out of fixing other bugs to make them a build.
Because otherwise your software is useless to most people? What good are your bug fixes if your users can't get them?
Everyone wants something for nothing and they want it now, that not what OSS is about.
I thought OSS was to make good, free, open source software, because people should have the source and / or software should be free. If you just want to write your own personal software, fine, do that. But you're writing OSS, for free, because you want to better the lot of your fellow man. You're doing a dis-service if you're slow to release. After all, isn't that one of the benefits of open source, that patches come out so quickly?
How is the end user an idiot because Jill coded a bug into her program which is now frustrating the end user?
Go a head and call them idiots if you want, but if your attitude starts becoming the norm, I can see why people wouldn't wan to move to OSS.
So OSS devs don't need to listen to end users, but I don't think they'll get many people using their software.
Even if you cancel your POTS, as long as the line is connected, you can dial 911.
It's the law.
You may want to tell that to Verizon. I canceled them, and no longer receive any dialtone when I hook up to the network interface box.
I had lingering concerns about 911. I've actually had to call 911 once because I was being burglarized (the cops actually came in time and caught them!). So, I'm extremely sensitive to the question of 911 not getting routed properly.
I'm curious, why not buy a gun? I know it won't help for other emergencies, but if someone breaks into your house, well, they deserve whatever they get.
Good point. Get a lawyer (or pretend you did). Usually the threat of a lawsuit makes companies pick up the pace.
That sounds to me like the store selling the game is in trouble, not the game studio.
What, you don't think having your product removed from the store (and probably all the other local stores too, once they catch wind) would hurt the game company?
Either you misread something or the part where the game maker can be sued was omitted from the article. Could you point me to a resource where it's stated that the game maker can be held liable as well?
Sorry, I did misread that. But I would argue that not being able to sell your product in a community would harm the studios as well. Once its pulled from one store, all the other ones in the area will follow suit, just out of fear.
I'd love to read that for myself. If this is the case, such a law really is over the top.
It IS over the top. Would they pull all the Playboys from the shelves if a store sold porn to a minor? They might be fined, but AFAIK you don't need a license to sell porn.
Of course, that doesn't excuse the hoops you had to jump through to cancel.
Canceling should be simple. Just call your bank, explain what's going on, and ask them to deny any charges from Vonage.
My only problem with Vongage was that they were charging a percentage tax, but the base amount was 0 (first month free). For some reason he didn't understand that $0 * any_mumber = 0.
The law says that the game company can be sued as well. So I'd say that's a burden, wouldn't you?
Its also a burden on the store; they have to spend more time training their employees to look for ids, learn to tell real from fake, and when the store is busy, they will be selling less because of the slowdown.
This is more of an issue in grocery stores; ever been in an express line and the cashier has to go across the store because they aren't allowed to OK out of state licenses? Customers want the line to move, they don't care why its being slowed down.
Your effective speed is capped by law (which, by the way, I find fault in, for some of the reasons you mention).
So lets assume you follow the law, a BMW won't get you there any faster than a Kia (actually if you drive significatly over the limit, past what a Kia can do, you'll likely get there later, having been pulled over).
How does an internet connection have style anyway? Thats why the analogy sucks.