I can understand and forgive ignrance...I can't understand or forgive those that ignore you when you try to educate them.
I suspect that people who ignore the hard facts are zelots in other parts of their life as well, and are the kind of people that you'll never get through to or be able to have a reasonable discussion with.
Unfortunatly the number of such people in the US seems to be increasing.:-(
Its not even really the WMP AX controls fault; its IEs fault for allowing access to the WMP control in the first place.
Perhaps IE should REQUIRE that any controls implement the interface to make them aware of security zones.
Of course I fear that develpers would implement the interface, but not actually block functionality from untrusted sources...but that would be the developers fault, and at least MS would have done their part.
Its fixed by removing the features...or rather, but setting security so that the features are unavailable...but you could re-enable it though (and be back at square one...use of an insecure feature).
I think the argument is that IE shouldn't be able to get to WMP...that is, it shouldn't be able to get to any component installed on your system that has more permissions then the browser might have.
But as a side note when I opened thaton XPSP2 it got a Permissions denied JS error...which is defaintly a Good Thing.
I still don't think a web browser should be able to embed application objects into itself just because a web page says so...
Maybe vongage should stop trying to look like phone service then. As long as they are trying to use them INSTEAD of traditional phone service, they have to be held to the same standards...including a properly working 911.
The logic is fine; the point is that ALL telcos are REQUIRED BY LAW to offer WORKING 911. If you installed a fire alarm switching in a building and then told people it doesn't do anything, you're still violating the law and are actually being deceptive (why install switches that don't work anyway?).
Sueing the people who are lying that they offer 911 (opps but we don't, sorry read the TOS) I think is acceptable.
If it doesn't work like 911, they shouldn't say that they offer 911. Never before has anyone ever had to 'setup' their 911 service, even with cell phones. If just works.
The fact that they even need these disclaimers proves my point.
I'm sorry, but no amount of statements in a contract will override truth in advertising and other laws. They are offering phone services, they need to act more like a phone service company.
I fully agree with you; currently we don't have any tests that prove our senses wrong or right...all we have is the knowledge that other people's senses match our own. So for that, I think we have to just accept it.
Religon doesn't even have that; they ask you to believe something that others in the world will look at you funny for even suggesting. So religon is unlike our senses, as there is much disagreement about the various faiths.
Except for your email client being able to launch your browser, and mailto links in the browser launching an email client...why would you need them integrated at all?
In a nutshell, he says that, yes, you're right. Our senses might be wrong. But at the same time, we really don't have anything else to go by, so doubting them doesn't buy us anything.
Vonage is advertising as a replacement to your local phone company. They provide many services a local telco does, as you point out. Therefore they should be subjected to the same regulations local telcos are, including providing 911 access.
The fact is that you can go into someones house and you won't know if they have vonage or the local telco will you? Everyone knows you can pick up a phone and dial 911...but if you have vonage, that might not be the case, and you won't find out until you try.
You can't put an ad in the paper advertising the hunk of metal as a car either can you?
Vonage wants to look like an alternate local telco, but doesn't want to provide the same services required by law that other telcos do. If they want to position themselves as such, they must provide a mimium set of features.
When you buy a car from the dealer, you expect it perform similar to other cars, including meeting certain standards.
When you get a cell phone, you expect it to work similar to a landline. Vonage should provide 911 just like other phone companies.
Your opinion is irrelevent fortunatly; the fact is that by law phone companies MUST provide 911. The fact that vonage is selling itself as an alternate phone company means they have to comply with this law as well. 911 is not an optional service, they're required to offer it.
It doesn't matter that they aren't offering 'traditional' phone service. It matters that they are offering phone service.
Your fallen tree...blathering..is unitelligable and comparing 911 to a tree is moronic.
I think its reasonable to expect that a PHONE SERVICE company offers the features of a phone service company. How you connect to the telephone network doesn't matter; what matters is that it works the same. Especially considering you use your existing phones to use vonage that you did to use the POTS network.
Bad idea, because people don't understand 911 doesn't work for people who can't provide an address and so forth.
It shouldn't be a problem; they know who their subscribers are, and if they can pick my particular cable box out of all the others on their system to reapply an update for (which they can) cable cos. can certainly figure out which VoIP customer just dialed 911.
Well, in Ohio (my state) you can still call 911 from a dead phone. If you don't pay your bill the phone company must let you dial 911. Thus, if you canceled service and got VoIP then you could still use 911. I suspect also that Texas doesn't have this.
Federal law mandates that even if you have no local phone service, you should be able to plug in your phone can be able to call 911.
This could be solved if they, VoIP services provided a direct connection to your 911 service. Route your "9-1-1" call to your local service and pass the info, in standard form, to your service. Anyone can do this, including wireless services provided they can track (triangulate?) a user.
Again, the cable co knows which customer is dialing 911...why not just route the call to the 911 call center?
Another option is to just create a national law that any landline phone wire must be able to dial 911. As long as that connection is made behind a demarcation point, it will be identified at the correct address. Weird addresses, and buildings are corrected usually at the 911 service center.
Its already law. Weird addresses aren't corrected at the call center; townships were required to 'fix' weird addresses when the law mandated 911 nationwide.
This is why private shared driveways now have actual road names an appear on maps..and why my dad's address changed from 330F RR #1 to 5531. (Its not an apartment, BTW..single home).
By your logic I should be allowed to build a car that doesn't meet any safety standards. I could sell it for 500 because its made out of plexiglass, and that'd be perfectly ok.
Well I did enjoy the job and was hoping to be brought on full time at the end. But as does happen, something came up. To their credit, they did tell me well before the contract end (intially they said they were almost certain something would be there for me). So i decided to fulfill my original contract, but not the extension (since i'd be in the same boat again only a few months later).
No hard feelings on my end really, i worked with some great people and learned alot about a new industry.
So, rather than cut and dried "$/hour" terms and tax breaks for being self-employed these people want less take home pay, to be locked into a company mandated health care program, and for no more company loyalty than a "two weeks notice and off you go" buys you?
You get more take home pay b/c your self employed and thus must pay the taxes that your employer would normally pay, you have to pay for your own healthcare, and you can be dismissed at a moments notice (I've never heard of a company giving anyone two weeks that they were being laid off / fired...but FT or contractor that point at least is in common).
Companies want contractors to feel like employees when it comes to caring about the bottom line, working as a team, all the rah-rah stuff. And most that I know do - it's called "being professional".
If the company wants contractors to have those warm fuzzy botom line feels, maybe they should be employees instead of contractors (ie second class employees).
I know it's a pipe dream, but I'd love to see the suit dismissed out of hand, and HP move their operations to somewhere else in the States.
So you'd like to go back to the working conditions of the 1900s then? If thats really what you want please move to China or the Philipines or some place like that.
You work for Manpower and should be arguing with THEM for better pay and benefits more in line with your current working conditions.
You can't. If you could, then it'd be MORE expensive for HP to use Manpower...because Manpower needs to add whatever they need to profit in addition to your salary / benefits.
Except that if HP says they no longer need the contactors, their position at Manpower would likely end as well too. Which is part of their arguement...Manpower doesn't really have anything to do with the contractor, its HP making all the decisions. Manpower just reviewed some resumes..
I'm a contractor. I'm not paid by the hour. I have benefits from the company I'm technically an employee of.
However, the dress code, my hours, my responsiblities, even my time off requests are through the company I'm working AT.
My only contact with my company is the paycheck they send me, and the ocassional 'how are you' phone call.
I feel more like an employee of the company I'm working at than the one I'm working for. But I haven't been here long enough to know if this is a temp job or a perma-temp job. If I had been I might feel as these people, because I know I'm much more underpaid then a FTer is. (I presume because my employer charges a full amount for me and takes his cut).
However I decided to move on to a real FT job, not knowing if one would ever open up here. I'd love a FT position, but I just don't know when one would be available.
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I can understand and forgive ignrance...I can't understand or forgive those that ignore you when you try to educate them.
:-(
I suspect that people who ignore the hard facts are zelots in other parts of their life as well, and are the kind of people that you'll never get through to or be able to have a reasonable discussion with.
Unfortunatly the number of such people in the US seems to be increasing.
Its not even really the WMP AX controls fault; its IEs fault for allowing access to the WMP control in the first place.
Perhaps IE should REQUIRE that any controls implement the interface to make them aware of security zones.
Of course I fear that develpers would implement the interface, but not actually block functionality from untrusted sources...but that would be the developers fault, and at least MS would have done their part.
Its fixed by removing the features...or rather, but setting security so that the features are unavailable...but you could re-enable it though (and be back at square one...use of an insecure feature).
Actually I blame that on the browser; it shouldn't allow access to objects just because a web developer says they want to.
But as I stated before, MS seems to have 'fixed' this, as I get a permissions denied error in IE when i open the link.
I think the argument is that IE shouldn't be able to get to WMP...that is, it shouldn't be able to get to any component installed on your system that has more permissions then the browser might have.
But as a side note when I opened thaton XPSP2 it got a Permissions denied JS error...which is defaintly a Good Thing.
I still don't think a web browser should be able to embed application objects into itself just because a web page says so...
Sounds like they should have seperate plugins for FF an TB then.
Seems like an agruement against integration to me, not one for it.
Maybe vongage should stop trying to look like phone service then. As long as they are trying to use them INSTEAD of traditional phone service, they have to be held to the same standards...including a properly working 911.
The logic is fine; the point is that ALL telcos are REQUIRED BY LAW to offer WORKING 911. If you installed a fire alarm switching in a building and then told people it doesn't do anything, you're still violating the law and are actually being deceptive (why install switches that don't work anyway?).
Sueing the people who are lying that they offer 911 (opps but we don't, sorry read the TOS) I think is acceptable.
If it doesn't work like 911, they shouldn't say that they offer 911. Never before has anyone ever had to 'setup' their 911 service, even with cell phones. If just works.
The fact that they even need these disclaimers proves my point.
I'm sorry, but no amount of statements in a contract will override truth in advertising and other laws. They are offering phone services, they need to act more like a phone service company.
I fully agree with you; currently we don't have any tests that prove our senses wrong or right...all we have is the knowledge that other people's senses match our own. So for that, I think we have to just accept it.
Religon doesn't even have that; they ask you to believe something that others in the world will look at you funny for even suggesting. So religon is unlike our senses, as there is much disagreement about the various faiths.
Except for your email client being able to launch your browser, and mailto links in the browser launching an email client...why would you need them integrated at all?
I've heard this before. Try reading David Hume.
In a nutshell, he says that, yes, you're right. Our senses might be wrong. But at the same time, we really don't have anything else to go by, so doubting them doesn't buy us anything.
I think the punishment is perfectly fine.
After all, you could easily consider that knowingly trying to pass laws that violate constitutional rights is treason.
Stop with crap analogies already.
Vonage is advertising as a replacement to your local phone company. They provide many services a local telco does, as you point out. Therefore they should be subjected to the same regulations local telcos are, including providing 911 access.
The fact is that you can go into someones house and you won't know if they have vonage or the local telco will you? Everyone knows you can pick up a phone and dial 911...but if you have vonage, that might not be the case, and you won't find out until you try.
You can't put an ad in the paper advertising the hunk of metal as a car either can you?
Vonage wants to look like an alternate local telco, but doesn't want to provide the same services required by law that other telcos do. If they want to position themselves as such, they must provide a mimium set of features.
When you buy a car from the dealer, you expect it perform similar to other cars, including meeting certain standards.
When you get a cell phone, you expect it to work similar to a landline. Vonage should provide 911 just like other phone companies.
Your opinion is irrelevent fortunatly; the fact is that by law phone companies MUST provide 911. The fact that vonage is selling itself as an alternate phone company means they have to comply with this law as well. 911 is not an optional service, they're required to offer it.
It doesn't matter that they aren't offering 'traditional' phone service. It matters that they are offering phone service.
Your fallen tree...blathering..is unitelligable and comparing 911 to a tree is moronic.
I think its reasonable to expect that a PHONE SERVICE company offers the features of a phone service company. How you connect to the telephone network doesn't matter; what matters is that it works the same. Especially considering you use your existing phones to use vonage that you did to use the POTS network.
Bad idea, because people don't understand 911 doesn't work for people who can't provide an address and so forth.
It shouldn't be a problem; they know who their subscribers are, and if they can pick my particular cable box out of all the others on their system to reapply an update for (which they can) cable cos. can certainly figure out which VoIP customer just dialed 911.
Well, in Ohio (my state) you can still call 911 from a dead phone. If you don't pay your bill the phone company must let you dial 911. Thus, if you canceled service and got VoIP then you could still use 911. I suspect also that Texas doesn't have this.
Federal law mandates that even if you have no local phone service, you should be able to plug in your phone can be able to call 911.
This could be solved if they, VoIP services provided a direct connection to your 911 service. Route your "9-1-1" call to your local service and pass the info, in standard form, to your service. Anyone can do this, including wireless services provided they can track (triangulate?) a user.
Again, the cable co knows which customer is dialing 911...why not just route the call to the 911 call center?
Another option is to just create a national law that any landline phone wire must be able to dial 911. As long as that connection is made behind a demarcation point, it will be identified at the correct address. Weird addresses, and buildings are corrected usually at the 911 service center.
Its already law. Weird addresses aren't corrected at the call center; townships were required to 'fix' weird addresses when the law mandated 911 nationwide.
This is why private shared driveways now have actual road names an appear on maps..and why my dad's address changed from 330F RR #1 to 5531. (Its not an apartment, BTW..single home).
By your logic I should be allowed to build a car that doesn't meet any safety standards. I could sell it for 500 because its made out of plexiglass, and that'd be perfectly ok.
Well I did enjoy the job and was hoping to be brought on full time at the end. But as does happen, something came up. To their credit, they did tell me well before the contract end (intially they said they were almost certain something would be there for me). So i decided to fulfill my original contract, but not the extension (since i'd be in the same boat again only a few months later).
No hard feelings on my end really, i worked with some great people and learned alot about a new industry.
Um, I did, perhaps you should learn to read, asshat.
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So, rather than cut and dried "$/hour" terms and tax breaks for being self-employed these people want less take home pay, to be locked into a company mandated health care program, and for no more company loyalty than a "two weeks notice and off you go" buys you?
You get more take home pay b/c your self employed and thus must pay the taxes that your employer would normally pay, you have to pay for your own healthcare, and you can be dismissed at a moments notice (I've never heard of a company giving anyone two weeks that they were being laid off / fired...but FT or contractor that point at least is in common).
Companies want contractors to feel like employees when it comes to caring about the bottom line, working as a team, all the rah-rah stuff. And most that I know do - it's called "being professional".
If the company wants contractors to have those warm fuzzy botom line feels, maybe they should be employees instead of contractors (ie second class employees).
I know it's a pipe dream, but I'd love to see the suit dismissed out of hand, and HP move their operations to somewhere else in the States.
So you'd like to go back to the working conditions of the 1900s then? If thats really what you want please move to China or the Philipines or some place like that.
You work for Manpower and should be arguing with THEM for better pay and benefits more in line with your current working conditions.
You can't. If you could, then it'd be MORE expensive for HP to use Manpower...because Manpower needs to add whatever they need to profit in addition to your salary / benefits.
Except that if HP says they no longer need the contactors, their position at Manpower would likely end as well too. Which is part of their arguement...Manpower doesn't really have anything to do with the contractor, its HP making all the decisions. Manpower just reviewed some resumes..
I'm a contractor. I'm not paid by the hour. I have benefits from the company I'm technically an employee of.
However, the dress code, my hours, my responsiblities, even my time off requests are through the company I'm working AT.
My only contact with my company is the paycheck they send me, and the ocassional 'how are you' phone call.
I feel more like an employee of the company I'm working at than the one I'm working for. But I haven't been here long enough to know if this is a temp job or a perma-temp job. If I had been I might feel as these people, because I know I'm much more underpaid then a FTer is. (I presume because my employer charges a full amount for me and takes his cut).
However I decided to move on to a real FT job, not knowing if one would ever open up here. I'd love a FT position, but I just don't know when one would be available.