Yes, I like those the rep. pointed out that this is to prevent another 9/11 style attack, and followed it by saying ALL the terrorists had VALID liceneses. So, how exactly does all this help?
FYI, Vermont may already be on the road to refusing federal highway funding. They want to LOWER the drinking age to 18. The reasoning is simple: If you're old enough to join the army, learn to kill, go off and possibly be killed yourself, all for your country, you should be able to handle a beer.
If the federal gov't was much smaller, your federal income tax should be much smaller too. The states could then raise their taxes, and pay for much of their own needs themseleves.
I'd rather pay more taxes to the state, where my voice means more, then to the fed gov't, where it means almost nothing.
A good start would be repealing the amendment that provided for the direct election of senators.
How about disarming the continuing simmering tension that is affecting the entire asian region? SK, Japan, China, and Taiwan are all being made to feel a little nervous by NK and their brutal dictatorship. If Iraq was about stability in the middle-east, how about providing stability for asia?
How about we just let China, Japan, SK and Taiwan take care of the matter themselves. IIRC, China already has nuclear weapons.
He did that because he KNEW they were developing nukes. Everyone with any kind of intelligence program did. Are you too stupid to understand that, or are you trying to make it appear as though we didn't know they had nukes?
In 2001, in fact, N Korea met with the Russians to discuss... long range ballistic missiles. Why would they NEED ballistic missiles? You know why, but you'll try to find a way around it.
If you are wrong (which you are, it's clear) just say so.
I'll gladly accept your apology now.
Ahh, a troll. Nice work.
So you're refering to the intellience community, the same one that claimed there were WMD in Iraq? That community? Please, check google for the history of events....it doesn't support your 'theory.'
NK restarted their nuclear power plant to begin their nuclear weapons project. Yet you claim they ALREADY had them. So tell us wise one, if they've had them for three years, why only announce it now?
Apology? No, I think a piss off is more in order for you.
I will agree with everything except for "Afganistan", wherever that is. Now Afghanistan I would have a problem with as well.
Oh, sorry..forgot an H. Please get over it, pointing out that I made a spelling mistake adds nothing to the conversation.
Now Afghanistan I would have a problem with as well. There was a clear goal there; capture Bin Laden and liberate the country from terrorist control. Yes, we failed to capture Bin Laden, but I think real good was done there. And you cannot call alterior motives, because there is no oil there.
For the conspiricy nuts...IIRC, Afghanistan was a leading producer of opium. Remember, we also have a war on drugs going on. Not that I believe that was the reason, just throwing out another possible alterior motive.
Yes, we failed to capture bin laden. Please explain why he matters (or, more to the point, why you believe his capture will suddenly mean the end of his terrorist group).
Come to think of it, invading Iran is a little farfetched as well. The only change that will come in that country is within, and I think the US federal government realizes that. But that is just my two-cents.
The reason I don't think its so far fetched is because we are starting to have the same pot banging we did to drum up support for invading Iraq. Replace Nuclear weapons with WMD..and so far we're starting out much the same. They have NW (they are staying away from 'WMD' because of the blunder in Iraq, and don't want to remind people of it), lets get the UN involved, we have no plans to attack... Only time will tell if we go down the same path (should the UN again not do what Bush wants).
This statement is idiotic. North Korea had nothing to fear until they developed nukes. Now they're afraid because... they developed nukes.
If they had no nukes, they would be anothee insignificant SE Asian country, with nothing to fear from the US.
Actually its not...your statement is idiotic. Check you timeline; In Feb of 2002, Bush calls NK part of an 'Axis of Evil.' It isn't until late 2002 / early 2003 that NK restarted their nuclear weapons program (and thier http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/12/nkorea.nukes/ nuclear reactors, for that matter.
Of course, N Korea is ALSO a brutal dictatorship with no respect for human rights.
There are lots of those...but we aren't invading or even really paying attention to them are we?
And before all you US haters try to slam the US, ask yourself what american transgressions have to do with this. Drawing parallels is a cheap way to deflect the discussion away from the point, so don't bother.
First, I don't hate the US; I strongly disagree wit Bush's foreign policy. Secondly, what you call 'transgressions' some might call hipocrasy. You know, the pot shouldn't call the kettle black and all that.
Just curious..why do you think anyone would want to agree on 'war by the enemies terms'? What would that by the country?
So now what do we do? Stand back and wait for the next "Great Patriotic War" when they get a huge stockpile built, or cut our losses and fight now?
Maybe they wouldn't be so scared if we didn't invade Afganistan. Then Iraq. Iran looks next. Hmm... don't you think they have a right to worry about being invaded?
Wrong. It will punish those who may actually have a ligit case, but could not win because of a technicality or some other reason. If the suit is found frivolous, there's nothing right now to stop IBM from suing SCO to recover legal fees. Lawyers don't typicially take a case they are pretty sure they will lose.
Not all cases lost are frivolous, and that's the major flaw in your arguement. (Lets also remember that this would apply to the state as well...so it might chill cases against criminals.)
No...i think VB is more like english (that was one of its goals).
I agree pointers can be tricky...but hopefully your skill will mitigate that to some extent, and you'll have good tools to help also. Finally, complex pointer operations should be avoided whenever possible. You can avoid pointers for the most part..but they are a powerful tool when used correctly too.
I wasn't aware there were other eiffels out there. I think ISE was the only one at the time (96 - 97) I used it...or maybe thats just the wrong impression i got from my college.
The computers we used I believe were Ultrasparc 2s (or maybe 10s...its been a while...i do miss those labs though), with SunOS 10? Something like that anyway. I don't think it ws the machines fault, because C++ compiled very quickly.
But if the maintanier knows the syntax also, and the code is properly commented (which all code should be), how is it easier?
Does for( i = 0 ; i 10 ; i += 1 ) {
myObj.doSomething(); }
really need more words to describe it?
When i've done maintence, what's helped me is knowing the OTHER objects the code is calling. If i dont' know what doSomething does, i probably don't know why it needs to be called 10 times.
Those languages are aimed at beginners, not maintainers. VB should be in that list...and we know what BASIC stands for...Beginners All Purpose...
In fact, thats why Eiffel was the first language RIT exposed thier CS students too; it is simple. But at some point you need something more advanced (and more widely used), which is why halfway through the year they switch to 'pure' C++ (i.e. we were NOT allowed to do ANYTHING the C way).
Would you spend ages writing a text parser in Java to get some text formatted data into a database, or would you do it in an hour in Perl? Especially if you are working on a remote system, any unix system is pretty much guaranteed to have Perl installed.
Having used perl, I think, from a strickly text parsing angle, that i'd rather use snobol..
I'm not a luddite, I just don't feel like typing an essay to make the computer do something simple.
I used Eiffel in college, and didn't it find it to be all that great. To make your compiled program run at a decent speed, you had to 'freeze' it (melting IIRC was the quick & dirty no opimization compile) which would take hours. Hours if find if you are compling a huge project (say a kernel) but for a simple graphical poker game..ugh.
I know terminology is probably something that held it back...freeze, pebbles, etc.
It was wordy and too strict style-wise. Why the hell should i have to type a : when doing an assignment? From... until... loop... end? Why do I need all that just to specify a loop? Why is for( init ; condition ; increment ){ } harder?
Having to type all that extra stuff does add up, and while typing isn't the largest task, when it does finally come time to code, I don't wnat to spend my day writing extra, unnessary crap to make the program work.
Please explain why C# or Java is rubbish compared to Eiffel? I'm all for learning a new syntax if it buys you something new...but Eiffel's syntax doesn't, I just takes more typing and requires you to remember even more keywords.
I have a feeling though there aren't going to be sensors...they're going to trust that they built everything correctly, and that no cracks ever form i the structure itself. Through inspections would be expensive...a very quick visual is all I expect would really happen.
Also, what about the geology of the area? An earthquake would no doubt cause alot of damage to an underground structure. Even if the location doesn't have quakes, what about 'the big one' from CA? The shockwaves felt by the quake that caused the sunami were felt quite far away..
I think you're missing something though. Assuming what you say is true (I'm not going to bother checking your #s..), the fact is that we would be constantly adding to that stockpile. So while something may be ok in 400 years, there's another spent rod somewhere that arrived only 100 years ago.
I've lived near one, never thought about it. I didn't live withing two miles of it,but i could see it fairly closely. I would even drive RIGHT by it sometimes (depending where I was going).
I lived in Pottstown, pa, near the Limerick power plant.
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Yes, I like those the rep. pointed out that this is to prevent another 9/11 style attack, and followed it by saying ALL the terrorists had VALID liceneses. So, how exactly does all this help?
FYI, Vermont may already be on the road to refusing federal highway funding. They want to LOWER the drinking age to 18. The reasoning is simple: If you're old enough to join the army, learn to kill, go off and possibly be killed yourself, all for your country, you should be able to handle a beer.
If the federal gov't was much smaller, your federal income tax should be much smaller too. The states could then raise their taxes, and pay for much of their own needs themseleves.
I'd rather pay more taxes to the state, where my voice means more, then to the fed gov't, where it means almost nothing.
A good start would be repealing the amendment that provided for the direct election of senators.
How about disarming the continuing simmering tension that is affecting the entire asian region? SK, Japan, China, and Taiwan are all being made to feel a little nervous by NK and their brutal dictatorship. If Iraq was about stability in the middle-east, how about providing stability for asia?
How about we just let China, Japan, SK and Taiwan take care of the matter themselves. IIRC, China already has nuclear weapons.
He did that because he KNEW they were developing nukes. Everyone with any kind of intelligence program did. Are you too stupid to understand that, or are you trying to make it appear as though we didn't know they had nukes?
In 2001, in fact, N Korea met with the Russians to discuss... long range ballistic missiles. Why would they NEED ballistic missiles? You know why, but you'll try to find a way around it.
If you are wrong (which you are, it's clear) just say so.
I'll gladly accept your apology now.
Ahh, a troll. Nice work.
So you're refering to the intellience community, the same one that claimed there were WMD in Iraq? That community? Please, check google for the history of events....it doesn't support your 'theory.'
NK restarted their nuclear power plant to begin their nuclear weapons project. Yet you claim they ALREADY had them. So tell us wise one, if they've had them for three years, why only announce it now?
Apology? No, I think a piss off is more in order for you.
I will agree with everything except for "Afganistan", wherever that is. Now Afghanistan I would have a problem with as well.
Oh, sorry..forgot an H. Please get over it, pointing out that I made a spelling mistake adds nothing to the conversation.
Now Afghanistan I would have a problem with as well. There was a clear goal there; capture Bin Laden and liberate the country from terrorist control. Yes, we failed to capture Bin Laden, but I think real good was done there. And you cannot call alterior motives, because there is no oil there.
For the conspiricy nuts...IIRC, Afghanistan was a leading producer of opium. Remember, we also have a war on drugs going on. Not that I believe that was the reason, just throwing out another possible alterior motive.
Yes, we failed to capture bin laden. Please explain why he matters (or, more to the point, why you believe his capture will suddenly mean the end of his terrorist group).
Come to think of it, invading Iran is a little farfetched as well. The only change that will come in that country is within, and I think the US federal government realizes that. But that is just my two-cents.
The reason I don't think its so far fetched is because we are starting to have the same pot banging we did to drum up support for invading Iraq. Replace Nuclear weapons with WMD..and so far we're starting out much the same. They have NW (they are staying away from 'WMD' because of the blunder in Iraq, and don't want to remind people of it), lets get the UN involved, we have no plans to attack... Only time will tell if we go down the same path (should the UN again not do what Bush wants).
This statement is idiotic. North Korea had nothing to fear until they developed nukes. Now they're afraid because... they developed nukes.
2 /12/nkorea.nukes/ nuclear reactors, for that matter.
If they had no nukes, they would be anothee insignificant SE Asian country, with nothing to fear from the US.
Actually its not...your statement is idiotic. Check you timeline; In Feb of 2002, Bush calls NK part of an 'Axis of Evil.' It isn't until late 2002 / early 2003 that NK restarted their nuclear weapons program (and thier http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/1
Of course, N Korea is ALSO a brutal dictatorship with no respect for human rights.
There are lots of those...but we aren't invading or even really paying attention to them are we?
And before all you US haters try to slam the US, ask yourself what american transgressions have to do with this. Drawing parallels is a cheap way to deflect the discussion away from the point, so don't bother.
First, I don't hate the US; I strongly disagree wit Bush's foreign policy. Secondly, what you call 'transgressions' some might call hipocrasy. You know, the pot shouldn't call the kettle black and all that.
Or a test by NK.
Yes, b/c as everyone knows, the Chinese are too stupid to come up with anything on thier own..
Just curious..why do you think anyone would want to agree on 'war by the enemies terms'? What would that by the country?
So now what do we do? Stand back and wait for the next "Great Patriotic War" when they get a huge stockpile built, or cut our losses and fight now?
Maybe they wouldn't be so scared if we didn't invade Afganistan. Then Iraq. Iran looks next. Hmm... don't you think they have a right to worry about being invaded?
Wrong. It will punish those who may actually have a ligit case, but could not win because of a technicality or some other reason. If the suit is found frivolous, there's nothing right now to stop IBM from suing SCO to recover legal fees. Lawyers don't typicially take a case they are pretty sure they will lose.
Not all cases lost are frivolous, and that's the major flaw in your arguement. (Lets also remember that this would apply to the state as well...so it might chill cases against criminals.)
No...i think VB is more like english (that was one of its goals).
I agree pointers can be tricky...but hopefully your skill will mitigate that to some extent, and you'll have good tools to help also. Finally, complex pointer operations should be avoided whenever possible. You can avoid pointers for the most part..but they are a powerful tool when used correctly too.
I wasn't aware there were other eiffels out there. I think ISE was the only one at the time (96 - 97) I used it...or maybe thats just the wrong impression i got from my college.
The computers we used I believe were Ultrasparc 2s (or maybe 10s...its been a while...i do miss those labs though), with SunOS 10? Something like that anyway. I don't think it ws the machines fault, because C++ compiled very quickly.
Well, it seems that, in America, our founding fathers felt violence was necessary. I believe they felt it should be used as a last resort though.
Their UI implies that you can 'remove' IE as well. What actually gets removed though, I'm not sure..never tried it.
Doh..yes, I got them backwards. Thats for catching that!
But if the maintanier knows the syntax also, and the code is properly commented (which all code should be), how is it easier?
Does
for( i = 0 ; i 10 ; i += 1 ) {
myObj.doSomething();
}
really need more words to describe it?
When i've done maintence, what's helped me is knowing the OTHER objects the code is calling. If i dont' know what doSomething does, i probably don't know why it needs to be called 10 times.
Those languages are aimed at beginners, not maintainers. VB should be in that list...and we know what BASIC stands for...Beginners All Purpose...
In fact, thats why Eiffel was the first language RIT exposed thier CS students too; it is simple. But at some point you need something more advanced (and more widely used), which is why halfway through the year they switch to 'pure' C++ (i.e. we were NOT allowed to do ANYTHING the C way).
Would you spend ages writing a text parser in Java to get some text formatted data into a database, or would you do it in an hour in Perl? Especially if you are working on a remote system, any unix system is pretty much guaranteed to have Perl installed.
Having used perl, I think, from a strickly text parsing angle, that i'd rather use snobol..
I'm not a luddite, I just don't feel like typing an essay to make the computer do something simple.
... until ... loop ... end? Why do I need all that just to specify a loop? Why is for( init ; condition ; increment ){ } harder?
I used Eiffel in college, and didn't it find it to be all that great. To make your compiled program run at a decent speed, you had to 'freeze' it (melting IIRC was the quick & dirty no opimization compile) which would take hours. Hours if find if you are compling a huge project (say a kernel) but for a simple graphical poker game..ugh.
I know terminology is probably something that held it back...freeze, pebbles, etc.
It was wordy and too strict style-wise. Why the hell should i have to type a : when doing an assignment? From
Having to type all that extra stuff does add up, and while typing isn't the largest task, when it does finally come time to code, I don't wnat to spend my day writing extra, unnessary crap to make the program work.
Please explain why C# or Java is rubbish compared to Eiffel? I'm all for learning a new syntax if it buys you something new...but Eiffel's syntax doesn't, I just takes more typing and requires you to remember even more keywords.
I agree that we probably do need nuclear to wean from oil. But once we have lots of relativily safe plants, why would we bother exploring fission?
Well, ideally you would be correct.
I have a feeling though there aren't going to be sensors...they're going to trust that they built everything correctly, and that no cracks ever form i the structure itself. Through inspections would be expensive...a very quick visual is all I expect would really happen.
Also, what about the geology of the area? An earthquake would no doubt cause alot of damage to an underground structure. Even if the location doesn't have quakes, what about 'the big one' from CA? The shockwaves felt by the quake that caused the sunami were felt quite far away..
If people ilke you would just shut up maybe everyone wouldn't still be running around in a panic and we could deal with issues reasonablly again.
A dirty bomb isn't a real threat, the conventional explosion is the most dangerous part of it.
I think you're missing something though. Assuming what you say is true (I'm not going to bother checking your #s..), the fact is that we would be constantly adding to that stockpile. So while something may be ok in 400 years, there's another spent rod somewhere that arrived only 100 years ago.
I've lived near one, never thought about it. I didn't live withing two miles of it,but i could see it fairly closely. I would even drive RIGHT by it sometimes (depending where I was going).
I lived in Pottstown, pa, near the Limerick power plant.
Heh..well, if you're cooking instead of working thats true.
My wife and i just bring left overs in from the previous nights dinner. Microwave, and I'm all set.
Anyway, just a suggestion, I know its been working well for us.
Actually, making your lunch at home with items from the grocery store is the cheapest way to eat.