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I agree.
To me, his trying to get our armed forces immunity seems to imply that he knew we are breaking international laws of war. Why do you need immunity from those laws if you're not breaking them?
We defaced the electoral college system by allowing non-landowners to vote
I really have to disagree with you there. I don't think owning land should have anything to do with voting.
I'd like to think i'm fairly smart. I'm college educated. But i don't own land b/c i'm choosing to live in an apartment. That doesn't mean i'm not successful or not intelligent.
Your theory sounds pretty far fetched. I think were we are now has more to do with the fact that the framers probably thought people wouldn't want to be ignorant, not that they allowed non-landowners a vote.
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Not sure. I don't think that would fix the problem, because then people would loose too much control.
More likely not being able to amend the Con. might be a better idea.
Well i kinda think the original poster had in mind yelling fire when there was none. I thought it was fairly obvious nothings wrong with yelling fire when there really is one..
Don't you think that'd have a negitive affect on free speech though? If someone is only saying it, who cares? I don't think its a far step from watching someone that is always saying we need to get rid of republicans and democrates in office.
What if things really did need a radical change too? I'm sure someone advocating they did would be watched, and thats my problem with what you're saying.
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The government also has the right not to answer.
Oh really? Funny, i thought in theory we are supposed to be TELLING them what to do.
Lets say we ask them if our military had anything to do with the mass graves of Taliban fighters and they know something about this. Should they have the right not to answer? I certainly think they should be compelled to answer if they know anything about it, and if the US militrary had anything to do with it. I don't care if its classified. We have the RIGHT to know.
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It almost makes me wish that they didn't leave room for changing the constition. People today seem too dumb to understand the issues at hand.
Maybe that was the Framers flaw; they assumed people would be intelligent enough to understand the issues and pick leaders that dealt properly with them.
While you have the right to yell fire, you don't have to right to take valuable resources away to fight real fires. I think thats why people get halled off...
I believe that things go to far (in the eyes of the law) once you start taking an action to carry out your threats.
Buying a gun, getting the floorplans to the building, etc would be enoughto lock you up under consipirsy charges. Mearly saying you'd like to isn't enough.
And it shouldn't be...alot of things are said in anger that are never carried out. And then there are people that joke around. (Telling your friends 'shut up or i'll kick your ass', all in good fun mind you).
But 'pirating' one cd online will get you more then a misdemeanor. How do you justify that? Whats the difference between the two (besides the cd store losing out)?
What the dictionary says and what the law says are two different things. So no, its not stealing. Do you go to jail for 15 years for stealing a cd from the store? No? Why can you for copying music from the internet.
Which is exactly what i was trying to say. You can't do an end run around free speech by saying no one may read a certain book. They aren't directly violating your rights, but they are doing it nonetheless.
The ones held in the US are being held as violators of US immigration laws (i.e.: Staying in the country on a expired visa). So, I don't know what people are saying they haven't been charged with.
Some have been yes, but not all. Some have not been charged. Perhaps if you had been keeping up with the story you'd know that.
No, we haven't, neither have you, so, please, don't act like your country has no blood on it's hands. And speaking as the victim of a Turkish Terrorist incedent, I don't get all saddened when people say "collateral damage". Yes, it's callous, you know what? I don't expect the world to feel the pain I do. I'm not an emotional co-dependant with the citizens of this planet.
I never said the US hadn't. And you're right, that is pretty callous. Which proves my point; you have not reguard for human life. Being in a terror attack, i would think that you wouldn't want people to go through what you did. Being upset about collateral damage doesn't have anything to do with feeling sorry for you, its about being upset that it has happened to someone else. But you obviously don't care. I bet you would have rather someone let you die instead of helping you after the attack. Or doesn't it work both ways?
What? And let them off scott-free? What does that say? "Break our immigration laws, and the trip back is free!"
I really don't care if they are punished. Deportation seems a reasonable and fair punishment for breaking immigration law. And its probably cheaper to send them back then to house them and feed them indefinatly. And pay for any litigation costs..
But when they come into the US, you have no problem giving them airfare back?
Better that then letting them blow something up here..
The movie industry has no obligation to provide you with something to circumvent Macrovision so you can make copies for yourself.
Isnt that kinda like saying you have the right to free speech, but the government making it illegal to listen to a certain speaker?
They will say "Hey, we never took away your fair-use rights! You can still make copies, but we have had to put in these anti-piracy devices, oh and by the way: circumventing these will land you in jail. But sure, your fair-use rights still hold".
That arguement contridictes itself. If you have the right to make a copy of something under fair use, you may break any copy protection measures to do so. You cannot claim that crimilizing the breaking of these measures does not take away fair use.
The only problem tho is that they produce the chip, and you can put any mb or ram or whatever in along with it that you want.
So how else are they going to measure speed? Does each OEM now have to rate the overall system performance? What if i build my own system, how do i know what model cpu to get? What if i found the mb with the fastest bus speed, and now i'm looking for the fastest cpu to go along with it? What other hard number is there besides clockspeed? Intel says the p6 is better then the p5?
But apparently, all were CAUGHT shooting at Coalition troops...oops, not all, I believe 3 of them were caught while planting a bomb in Kabul.
God damn you are dense. THOSE detainees were caught in Afganistan after we invaded it, and are now being held in Cuba. The group I am refering to (and the CNN article refers to) are arabs living in the US that were rounded up just after 9/11 and BEFORE our invasion of Afganistan. Now, how can a group arrested before we attacked have been shooting at coalition troups before they were even there?
So get it straight; the detainees to which you were refering to are not the ones the original poster was refering to, and are the same ones you want 'hung by thier balls'
Please, tell me when your country has developed a methodology that creates at least 0 Collateral Damage. Where ever you come from, your country has caused collateral damage (which is the technical term for the deaths of non-combatants).
As far as i know the US has not developed such weapons. Even if the US has good reasons to invade another country, do you think thats going to change the mind of someone who's parents ended up being 'collateral damage'? That term is also a callose disreguard for life. Its a PC way to say 'we killed innocent people by accident.' At any rate, i know i'd be pissed if my parents were killed by another country, even if i was glad they were removing an oppresive govt. The fact that i'm now free doesn't mean i won't be missing my parents.
You know, the people held in the US are generally held there for violating US law, in all seriousness. They aren't just randomly picked, all the US detainees are people who have been living here with expired Visas. Yes, that is a violation of law.
No kidding. However, even if you are being held for violation of the law, you have certain rights. One of those rights is that people must be informed you're being held, or at the very least when asked the gov't must tell you if someone is held. You also cannot be held indefinatly and without a charge. Some are being held on visa violations. Fine. actually if thats the case, ship them out. But from what i've read, most have not been charged with anything. THAT is a violation of the law as well. Try brushing up on the Bill of Rights sometime.
The saddest thing in this world is when good people allow bad things to happen. If you want to claim to be good and allow people to violate US law and live in our US with no papers, that's fine.
I'm not saying that at all. But if you arrest someone, you must charge them with something. If they are found to be here without the right papers, the answer is simple. Send them back to whichever country they came from.
And if you want to let the Taliban western-haters(Yes, they hate the whole west, not just the US. They hate all technology that's been developed since the Koran was written, unless it helps it kill people) to run loose, that's your choice.
They have every right to hate the west. Its when they try to kill someone that its a problem. They can run around and hate us all they want, as long as they stay out of the US.
And as i've said, the people we are detaining (who you would like dead) don't even have any charges filed against them, and most are not suspected terrorists.
So if we kill innocent people (which we have already done in the 'war against terrorism'), we should also be prepared if their families want us dead or in jail.
Maybe the families of innocent people we are holding without charges in the US (not in cuba) want to see those responsible for it in jail too. What your teacher said works both ways you know.
Also, you may want to ask your math teacher if two wrongs make a right.
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I agree.
To me, his trying to get our armed forces immunity seems to imply that he knew we are breaking international laws of war. Why do you need immunity from those laws if you're not breaking them?
We defaced the electoral college system by allowing non-landowners to vote
I really have to disagree with you there. I don't think owning land should have anything to do with voting.
I'd like to think i'm fairly smart. I'm college educated. But i don't own land b/c i'm choosing to live in an apartment. That doesn't mean i'm not successful or not intelligent.
Your theory sounds pretty far fetched. I think were we are now has more to do with the fact that the framers probably thought people wouldn't want to be ignorant, not that they allowed non-landowners a vote.
Not sure. I don't think that would fix the problem, because then people would loose too much control.
More likely not being able to amend the Con. might be a better idea.
Well i kinda think the original poster had in mind yelling fire when there was none. I thought it was fairly obvious nothings wrong with yelling fire when there really is one..
Don't you think that'd have a negitive affect on free speech though? If someone is only saying it, who cares? I don't think its a far step from watching someone that is always saying we need to get rid of republicans and democrates in office.
What if things really did need a radical change too? I'm sure someone advocating they did would be watched, and thats my problem with what you're saying.
The government also has the right not to answer.
Oh really? Funny, i thought in theory we are supposed to be TELLING them what to do.
Lets say we ask them if our military had anything to do with the mass graves of Taliban fighters and they know something about this. Should they have the right not to answer? I certainly think they should be compelled to answer if they know anything about it, and if the US militrary had anything to do with it. I don't care if its classified. We have the RIGHT to know.
It almost makes me wish that they didn't leave room for changing the constition. People today seem too dumb to understand the issues at hand.
Maybe that was the Framers flaw; they assumed people would be intelligent enough to understand the issues and pick leaders that dealt properly with them.
While you have the right to yell fire, you don't have to right to take valuable resources away to fight real fires. I think thats why people get halled off...
I believe that things go to far (in the eyes of the law) once you start taking an action to carry out your threats.
Buying a gun, getting the floorplans to the building, etc would be enoughto lock you up under consipirsy charges. Mearly saying you'd like to isn't enough.
And it shouldn't be...alot of things are said in anger that are never carried out. And then there are people that joke around. (Telling your friends 'shut up or i'll kick your ass', all in good fun mind you).
So we shouldn't try to get it back if its already gone? Why not?
Diebold Election Systems of Ohio, said that's virtually impossible and instead suggest untrained workers were to blame.
Yes, the software is never at fault, its always the users fault...
This sounds familar.
Ok, i believe the 'they' the parent poster meant was MS, not his family. Geez people, think a little..
But 'pirating' one cd online will get you more then a misdemeanor. How do you justify that? Whats the difference between the two (besides the cd store losing out)?
You wouldn't happen to be talking about Metallica, would you?
Did YOU read the article?
The price of CDs has risen ABOVE the rate of inflation. The article meantions that.
She wanted britany spears, she was already on her way to skankhood.
What the dictionary says and what the law says are two different things. So no, its not stealing. Do you go to jail for 15 years for stealing a cd from the store? No? Why can you for copying music from the internet.
Doubtful, b/c "could be useful" means "its not the worst i heard." You really think someone buys a CD thats 'not the worst they heard?"
Which is exactly what i was trying to say. You can't do an end run around free speech by saying no one may read a certain book. They aren't directly violating your rights, but they are doing it nonetheless.
Ya...2 of those 3 i wouldn't trust.
So car manufacturers don't give the specs on the engines in the cars they make? hmm...
The ones held in the US are being held as violators of US immigration laws (i.e.: Staying in the country on a expired visa). So, I don't know what people are saying they haven't been charged with.
Some have been yes, but not all. Some have not been charged. Perhaps if you had been keeping up with the story you'd know that.
No, we haven't, neither have you, so, please, don't act like your country has no blood on it's hands. And speaking as the victim of a Turkish Terrorist incedent, I don't get all saddened when people say "collateral damage". Yes, it's callous, you know what? I don't expect the world to feel the pain I do. I'm not an emotional co-dependant with the citizens of this planet.
I never said the US hadn't. And you're right, that is pretty callous. Which proves my point; you have not reguard for human life. Being in a terror attack, i would think that you wouldn't want people to go through what you did. Being upset about collateral damage doesn't have anything to do with feeling sorry for you, its about being upset that it has happened to someone else. But you obviously don't care. I bet you would have rather someone let you die instead of helping you after the attack. Or doesn't it work both ways?
What? And let them off scott-free? What does that say? "Break our immigration laws, and the trip back is free!"
I really don't care if they are punished. Deportation seems a reasonable and fair punishment for breaking immigration law. And its probably cheaper to send them back then to house them and feed them indefinatly. And pay for any litigation costs..
But when they come into the US, you have no problem giving them airfare back?
Better that then letting them blow something up here..
The movie industry has no obligation to provide you with something to circumvent Macrovision so you can make copies for yourself.
Isnt that kinda like saying you have the right to free speech, but the government making it illegal to listen to a certain speaker?
They will say "Hey, we never took away your fair-use rights! You can still make copies, but we have had to put in these anti-piracy devices, oh and by the way: circumventing these will land you in jail. But sure, your fair-use rights still hold".
That arguement contridictes itself. If you have the right to make a copy of something under fair use, you may break any copy protection measures to do so. You cannot claim that crimilizing the breaking of these measures does not take away fair use.
The only problem tho is that they produce the chip, and you can put any mb or ram or whatever in along with it that you want.
So how else are they going to measure speed? Does each OEM now have to rate the overall system performance? What if i build my own system, how do i know what model cpu to get? What if i found the mb with the fastest bus speed, and now i'm looking for the fastest cpu to go along with it? What other hard number is there besides clockspeed? Intel says the p6 is better then the p5?
But apparently, all were CAUGHT shooting at Coalition troops...oops, not all, I believe 3 of them were caught while planting a bomb in Kabul.
God damn you are dense. THOSE detainees were caught in Afganistan after we invaded it, and are now being held in Cuba. The group I am refering to (and the CNN article refers to) are arabs living in the US that were rounded up just after 9/11 and BEFORE our invasion of Afganistan. Now, how can a group arrested before we attacked have been shooting at coalition troups before they were even there?
So get it straight; the detainees to which you were refering to are not the ones the original poster was refering to, and are the same ones you want 'hung by thier balls'
Please, tell me when your country has developed a methodology that creates at least 0 Collateral Damage. Where ever you come from, your country has caused collateral damage (which is the technical term for the deaths of non-combatants).
As far as i know the US has not developed such weapons. Even if the US has good reasons to invade another country, do you think thats going to change the mind of someone who's parents ended up being 'collateral damage'? That term is also a callose disreguard for life. Its a PC way to say 'we killed innocent people by accident.' At any rate, i know i'd be pissed if my parents were killed by another country, even if i was glad they were removing an oppresive govt. The fact that i'm now free doesn't mean i won't be missing my parents.
You know, the people held in the US are generally held there for violating US law, in all seriousness. They aren't just randomly picked, all the US detainees are people who have been living here with expired Visas. Yes, that is a violation of law.
No kidding. However, even if you are being held for violation of the law, you have certain rights. One of those rights is that people must be informed you're being held, or at the very least when asked the gov't must tell you if someone is held. You also cannot be held indefinatly and without a charge. Some are being held on visa violations. Fine. actually if thats the case, ship them out. But from what i've read, most have not been charged with anything. THAT is a violation of the law as well. Try brushing up on the Bill of Rights sometime.
The saddest thing in this world is when good people allow bad things to happen. If you want to claim to be good and allow people to violate US law and live in our US with no papers, that's fine.
I'm not saying that at all. But if you arrest someone, you must charge them with something. If they are found to be here without the right papers, the answer is simple. Send them back to whichever country they came from.
And if you want to let the Taliban western-haters(Yes, they hate the whole west, not just the US. They hate all technology that's been developed since the Koran was written, unless it helps it kill people) to run loose, that's your choice.
They have every right to hate the west. Its when they try to kill someone that its a problem. They can run around and hate us all they want, as long as they stay out of the US.
And as i've said, the people we are detaining (who you would like dead) don't even have any charges filed against them, and most are not suspected terrorists.
So if we kill innocent people (which we have already done in the 'war against terrorism'), we should also be prepared if their families want us dead or in jail.
Maybe the families of innocent people we are holding without charges in the US (not in cuba) want to see those responsible for it in jail too. What your teacher said works both ways you know.
Also, you may want to ask your math teacher if two wrongs make a right.