I dunno, maybe not. While i didn't end up becoming a game programmer, programming games like the ones i was playing is what got me into programming computers at all.
Now, ~10 years later, i have a good job as a programmer and a computer science degree.
If you had read the article, you would have known that it wasn't that the channels were unwatchable, it was that all channels had the no copy flag turned on, thus causing SVHS and some other digital records not to record anything from any channel.
I'm not trolling. I simply have alot of experience that contradicts your conclusion as you stated. I also have alot of people at work who's experience contradicts your research. I've asked you several times to back up what you say, but at most you've given one sentence, and that sentence seems to be your belief, not any hard facts.
Your only response has been to call me a troll or say 'ready my 20 page paper.' Well if you had credible research you could use pieces of it here. So far i haven't heard anything credible.
I don't see how i'm being narrowminded. You stated something i disagree with. I have my experience to back up my point of view. You have offered nothing in your posts. Maybe if you said something that might have seemed like a fact i would have requested your paper to read more. But you never did, and you still haven't. Instead you simply try to ward me off as a troll. Its too bad they hide karma now; someone with Excellent karma usually is not a troll. OH well.
Other people emailed me for the report. Why are you so concerned about asking for it nicely?
Quite honestly at this point i don't really care anymore. We can go back and forth on this forever. Why are you so concerned about just posting it? Whatever, it doesn't matter.
What you assume, incorrectly, is that people would place a phone call or drop by in place of an IM. IM is a temptation for some to just wander away into a chatting world, when they would normally just continue working.
What you assume, incorrectly, is that someone working is more willing to go to IM to goof off, as opposed to do something else. Either someone is working, or they are getting bored at that moment and want something else to do. If tha latter is the case, they could IM, or they could walk to the water cooler, or go outside to smoke. I don't think they're any more likely to goof off by doing htat (or surfing the web) then IMing.
As for NO one being swayed, try reading ALL the responses to my thread.
I think i've learned all i need to from your responses. You started out saying IM was bad in all workplaces, then saying no its bad in certain one. Let me know what you find out when you work fulltime and they use IM well.
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=%20paraphrase No where does it say a paraphrase is word by word, or line by line. No one said anything about a line by line paraphrase (except you).
Because when you "buy" software you are infact just buying a license to use it within the terms set by the seller. The same is true of books.
Sounds like you bought this line of BS from the software companies. However, you're completely wrong about books being the same. You could write a book that has a similar storyline as any other book, and its perfectly legal. Copyright protects against exact or near exact copies only. When you buy a book you are NOT buying a license. Where the fuck to you get that bullshit?
"All rights reserved. No part of this book may be used or reproduced in any manner whatsoever without written permission, except in the case of brief quotations embodied in critical articles and reviews."
Yup, all thats covered under copyright law. All they had to do was put (C) yyyy nnn Printing. Copyright allows you to make reviews and quote parts of it, etc etc. Learn something about copyright law please.
The conclusion I posted here, was a SUMMARY. Read, then think before you write. If you want all the "buts" ask for them like I said.
I read it. If you're going to just post a summary, and not back it up (by including all the 'buts', expect to be reamed).
I'm not going to post a 20 page report on the Internet, unless I want it plagarized. You are welcome to ask to see it though.
Um why do you care? Usually profs and teachers are smart enough to check the internet for plagerism. If your paper is easy to find so someone can plagerise it, it is easy for those checking against it also.
All of your examples here talk of strictly one kind of work. My report was written for another. Naturally that effects the outcome of the report.
So how about saying a bit more here to back up this statement? Back up what you say, or no one will be swayed by your arguement. Personally, in any kind of work where one uses a computer, i don't see how a less intrusive IM lowers productivity more then someone stopping by or calling on the phone. those seem like more of a distraction then an IM. Notice how i'm trying to provide logic to back up my thesis. You should probably try it too..
As for my real world experience, what makes you think a college student [as it clearly mentioned on my webpage; which you did not even research] can't have real world experience? I have worked with two federal agencies, in 3 cities.
Thats nice. Obviously i was on the mark if i didn't need to see your webpage to know you were a college student. While your experience certainly counts for something, there is some experience that coops still cannot provide (although they make a great starting point). I never thought you didn't have any real world experience; i only thought that it was probably limited compared to the experience of someone who's been in the field after college.
Or you could use trillian, which defaults to logging all conversations on all chat mediums. Seems like a simple enough solution to me.
But if this is too much for financial firms, then fine, they don't need it.
Or they could hire another firm to create an automated im logger. Hell Ethereal can decode aim packets just fine. it can't be that hard to pick up the packet and decode. throwing it into a db is trivial.
Aren't you more concerned about AOL or MS reading your secret projects?
No, they will most likely have no clue about what we are discussing. However, someone in the company may know more, because of rumors they heard or whatnot. But the singleton questions that go across aol or msn will probably be less then worthless, since they lack any context whatsoever. Two Ims in the same day might not even be related to the same project.
Lots of people are crucifying my report, without even reading why I came to the conclusion I did.
Probably because we know your conclusion, and it flies in the face of everyones personal experience. You also never posted it anywhere for people to read in the first place.
If you are a programmer who doesn't need to concentrate
Most decent programmers need to concentrate. Depending on what you're doing, sometimes more then others. But in my experience, IMs are far less intrusive then someone coming to my desk, calling me, or sending me an email. Depending on the volume and settings of your IM client, you can chooes to ignore htem all together. Trillian has an option now to make it work basically like icq; you get a message, and the only thing that happens is a sound is played and the system tray icon blinks. No windows even open. So i can choose to ignore it or not. Usually, it takes less then 30 seconds to answer and i've helped someone else move thru their problem much quicker. if i start getting too many i simply put up and away message or DND message, and am not bothered.
So in closing i think i'll say this. Your conclusion is wrong. IMs have greatly improved efficency in our project and company, and greatly reduced the amount and severity of interptions. I know your conclusions, i don't need to read your paper. Since your conclusion is wrong, the paper is invalid since it leads you to the wrong logical conclusion.
I do have a question for you though. since you did a research paper on this topic, i'm lead to believe that you are a college student. Do you actually have any real world experience? Or did you take this from thesis to conclusion without and real research?
Funny, i think that if people actually voted for who they wanted, reguardless of whether they thought that person would win, 3rd parties would have much more power then they do now.
It also beats calling the guys overseas, who I frequently cannot understand. For some reason, these guys have perfect spelling and grammar on Trillian.
Yes, i wish someone would study why that is true.
Of course, then there are english speaking people that speak english fine, but butcher it when they try to type it.
IM is usually less intrusive. I can send an IM, close it, go back to work, and instead of sitting and watching the irc screen go by for my answer, the program notifies me when i get one. My answer doesn't become lost in a see of other messages either.
Plus, people not on the project won't see possibly confidencial informations.
There is the law of diminishing returns. Would you rather someone that can get something done in 2 hours with 30 minutes 'wasted', or 3 hours with no time wasted?
I don't really understand your point. If you give someone a job that takes x hours to an hourly employe, and its done in x hours then so what? Do you suddenly expect the hourly employee to work faster because he's hourly, but a salaried employee can take x hours?
I dunno. I tend to think that if you're going to stop working on something to chat, you probably would just go do something else non productive if you couldn't. Like surf the web. And if you couldn't do that probably get some coffee or go outside. Its usually helpful for people to have minibreaks anyway.
Those that abuse them can easily be spotted, because their work will show it. If they're getting all their work done on time or ahead of schedule (and its done well), then who cares if they talk to someone for 15 mins over im?
Um ya, but so what? the people at my work don't seem to lose any productivity because of it. I know it doesn't slow me down at all.
As far as the virus question goes, its no more simpiler then getting one from an email. The workstation shoudl have a virus scanner running already, so when a file is saved from an email or an im, it will be scanned.
He lost credibility with me when he said the following:
They mean using non-standard, proprietary (or deprecated) markup and code to ensure that every visitor has the same experience, whether they're sporting Netscape Navigator 1.0 or IE6.
Usually, using proprietary code will not let you have the same experience in every browser. It more then likely has the opposite effect.
Since forging the from can be done by anyone, i'd call it an open relay too. He should lock it down so that you must actually BE on his network to use the server. I don't have any pity for this guy.
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I dunno, maybe not. While i didn't end up becoming a game programmer, programming games like the ones i was playing is what got me into programming computers at all.
Now, ~10 years later, i have a good job as a programmer and a computer science degree.
It amazes me how many people bitch about /. going to hell. If you really think that, just leave. Geez.
If you had read the article, you would have known that it wasn't that the channels were unwatchable, it was that all channels had the no copy flag turned on, thus causing SVHS and some other digital records not to record anything from any channel.
I'm not trolling. I simply have alot of experience that contradicts your conclusion as you stated. I also have alot of people at work who's experience contradicts your research. I've asked you several times to back up what you say, but at most you've given one sentence, and that sentence seems to be your belief, not any hard facts.
Your only response has been to call me a troll or say 'ready my 20 page paper.' Well if you had credible research you could use pieces of it here. So far i haven't heard anything credible.
I don't see how i'm being narrowminded. You stated something i disagree with. I have my experience to back up my point of view. You have offered nothing in your posts. Maybe if you said something that might have seemed like a fact i would have requested your paper to read more. But you never did, and you still haven't. Instead you simply try to ward me off as a troll. Its too bad they hide karma now; someone with Excellent karma usually is not a troll. OH well.
Other people emailed me for the report. Why are you so concerned about asking for it nicely?
Quite honestly at this point i don't really care anymore. We can go back and forth on this forever. Why are you so concerned about just posting it? Whatever, it doesn't matter.
What you assume, incorrectly, is that people would place a phone call or drop by in place of an IM. IM is a temptation for some to just wander away into a chatting world, when they would normally just continue working.
What you assume, incorrectly, is that someone working is more willing to go to IM to goof off, as opposed to do something else. Either someone is working, or they are getting bored at that moment and want something else to do. If tha latter is the case, they could IM, or they could walk to the water cooler, or go outside to smoke. I don't think they're any more likely to goof off by doing htat (or surfing the web) then IMing.
As for NO one being swayed, try reading ALL the responses to my thread.
I think i've learned all i need to from your responses. You started out saying IM was bad in all workplaces, then saying no its bad in certain one. Let me know what you find out when you work fulltime and they use IM well.
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=%20paraphrase
No where does it say a paraphrase is word by word, or line by line. No one said anything about a line by line paraphrase (except you).
(Basically equivelent to providing a paraphrase of a book.)
Actually, that is legal is it not? I mean, otherwise Cliffnotes probably wouldn't exist.
Yes, provided you do your own implementation. It can even be similar (but not too similar) to the one you saw.
Sure it can. Otherwise there'd only be one romance novel, ever.
Obviously the idea can be copied. Just not the EXACT implmentation.
Because when you "buy" software you are infact just buying a license to use it within the terms set by the seller. The same is true of books.
Sounds like you bought this line of BS from the software companies. However, you're completely wrong about books being the same. You could write a book that has a similar storyline as any other book, and its perfectly legal. Copyright protects against exact or near exact copies only. When you buy a book you are NOT buying a license. Where the fuck to you get that bullshit?
"All rights reserved. No part of this book may be used or reproduced in any manner whatsoever without written permission, except in the case of brief quotations embodied in critical articles and reviews."
Yup, all thats covered under copyright law. All they had to do was put (C) yyyy nnn Printing. Copyright allows you to make reviews and quote parts of it, etc etc. Learn something about copyright law please.
The conclusion I posted here, was a SUMMARY. Read, then think before you write. If you want all the "buts" ask for them like I said.
I read it. If you're going to just post a summary, and not back it up (by including all the 'buts', expect to be reamed).
I'm not going to post a 20 page report on the Internet, unless I want it plagarized. You are welcome to ask to see it though.
Um why do you care? Usually profs and teachers are smart enough to check the internet for plagerism. If your paper is easy to find so someone can plagerise it, it is easy for those checking against it also.
All of your examples here talk of strictly one kind of work. My report was written for another. Naturally that effects the outcome of the report.
So how about saying a bit more here to back up this statement? Back up what you say, or no one will be swayed by your arguement. Personally, in any kind of work where one uses a computer, i don't see how a less intrusive IM lowers productivity more then someone stopping by or calling on the phone. those seem like more of a distraction then an IM. Notice how i'm trying to provide logic to back up my thesis. You should probably try it too..
As for my real world experience, what makes you think a college student [as it clearly mentioned on my webpage; which you did not even research] can't have real world experience? I have worked with two federal agencies, in 3 cities.
Thats nice. Obviously i was on the mark if i didn't need to see your webpage to know you were a college student. While your experience certainly counts for something, there is some experience that coops still cannot provide (although they make a great starting point). I never thought you didn't have any real world experience; i only thought that it was probably limited compared to the experience of someone who's been in the field after college.
Or you could use trillian, which defaults to logging all conversations on all chat mediums. Seems like a simple enough solution to me.
But if this is too much for financial firms, then fine, they don't need it.
Or they could hire another firm to create an automated im logger. Hell Ethereal can decode aim packets just fine. it can't be that hard to pick up the packet and decode. throwing it into a db is trivial.
Aren't you more concerned about AOL or MS reading your secret projects?
No, they will most likely have no clue about what we are discussing. However, someone in the company may know more, because of rumors they heard or whatnot. But the singleton questions that go across aol or msn will probably be less then worthless, since they lack any context whatsoever. Two Ims in the same day might not even be related to the same project.
Lots of people are crucifying my report, without even reading why I came to the conclusion I did.
Probably because we know your conclusion, and it flies in the face of everyones personal experience. You also never posted it anywhere for people to read in the first place.
If you are a programmer who doesn't need to concentrate
Most decent programmers need to concentrate. Depending on what you're doing, sometimes more then others. But in my experience, IMs are far less intrusive then someone coming to my desk, calling me, or sending me an email. Depending on the volume and settings of your IM client, you can chooes to ignore htem all together. Trillian has an option now to make it work basically like icq; you get a message, and the only thing that happens is a sound is played and the system tray icon blinks. No windows even open. So i can choose to ignore it or not. Usually, it takes less then 30 seconds to answer and i've helped someone else move thru their problem much quicker. if i start getting too many i simply put up and away message or DND message, and am not bothered.
So in closing i think i'll say this. Your conclusion is wrong. IMs have greatly improved efficency in our project and company, and greatly reduced the amount and severity of interptions. I know your conclusions, i don't need to read your paper. Since your conclusion is wrong, the paper is invalid since it leads you to the wrong logical conclusion.
I do have a question for you though. since you did a research paper on this topic, i'm lead to believe that you are a college student. Do you actually have any real world experience? Or did you take this from thesis to conclusion without and real research?
Funny, i think that if people actually voted for who they wanted, reguardless of whether they thought that person would win, 3rd parties would have much more power then they do now.
It also beats calling the guys overseas, who I frequently cannot understand. For some reason, these guys have perfect spelling and grammar on Trillian.
Yes, i wish someone would study why that is true.
Of course, then there are english speaking people that speak english fine, but butcher it when they try to type it.
IM is usually less intrusive. I can send an IM, close it, go back to work, and instead of sitting and watching the irc screen go by for my answer, the program notifies me when i get one. My answer doesn't become lost in a see of other messages either.
Plus, people not on the project won't see possibly confidencial informations.
There is the law of diminishing returns. Would you rather someone that can get something done in 2 hours with 30 minutes 'wasted', or 3 hours with no time wasted?
I don't really understand your point. If you give someone a job that takes x hours to an hourly employe, and its done in x hours then so what? Do you suddenly expect the hourly employee to work faster because he's hourly, but a salaried employee can take x hours?
People who use IMs can abuse them too easily.
I dunno. I tend to think that if you're going to stop working on something to chat, you probably would just go do something else non productive if you couldn't. Like surf the web. And if you couldn't do that probably get some coffee or go outside. Its usually helpful for people to have minibreaks anyway.
Those that abuse them can easily be spotted, because their work will show it. If they're getting all their work done on time or ahead of schedule (and its done well), then who cares if they talk to someone for 15 mins over im?
Um ya, but so what? the people at my work don't seem to lose any productivity because of it. I know it doesn't slow me down at all.
As far as the virus question goes, its no more simpiler then getting one from an email. The workstation shoudl have a virus scanner running already, so when a file is saved from an email or an im, it will be scanned.
Dunno, i don't use Y!, but you can send a file thru AIM, ICQ and MSN on trillian.
Besides, at work we usually send files through email.
Personally i dont see why they care. Just use trillian, or something like it. Does it matter then that someone has logins to 3 different IM system?
He lost credibility with me when he said the following:
They mean using non-standard, proprietary (or deprecated) markup and code to ensure that every visitor has the same experience, whether they're sporting Netscape Navigator 1.0 or IE6.
Usually, using proprietary code will not let you have the same experience in every browser. It more then likely has the opposite effect.
Since forging the from can be done by anyone, i'd call it an open relay too. He should lock it down so that you must actually BE on his network to use the server. I don't have any pity for this guy.
Funny enough, my credit union is FDIC insured.
I don't think it was the conditions, i think it was the mistakes they made.
As far as your McDs coffee spiller remark goes...well if you knew all the details of the case you would probably see the settlement was justified.