So I guess we should all be thanking the Somali pirates for helping the economy.
After all, all those ransoms are money flowing from one person to another, so it must be helpful.
And you're calling me stupid?
Yes, you're comparing theft with an accident. Theft is a whole other matter.
No...spending money to fix things simply to bring them back up to the level they were before they were damaged by a moron, does not help the economy. It sucks up resources that could otherwise be spent on something productive.
So the whole autobody business is a waste? It doesn't employ people, and affect other businesses... parts suppliers, rental companies, equipment manufactors?
Sorry, thats NOT "sucking up resources" because there's a whoel section of the economy that runs on it. By your thinking, maybe we should just ban the fixing of anything... because its "sucking up resources that could otherwise be spent on something productive," like buying a brand new shiney thing! God damn you're retarded. How is building an iPhone more productive than repairing a broken car?
You can fix your damaged car, helping the autobody shop.
Or, you can buy a new car with the same money (presumably a smaller one), sell your old one, (which is still in one piece and running) and help a car dealer, car manufacturer, yourself, and the person who bought your old car.
No, I cannot buy a new car for the same money. That's why it's cost effective for me to repair the car.. because buying a new one would be more expensive. Why is the new car dealer being dubbed as more important than the autobody shop and all the industries it affects? BTW, car manufacturers produce EXCESS parts specifically to be used to repair broken cars. As do other parts suppliers.
Without the economic damage from the accident, you've suddenly got an extra car's worth of goods available to you and the economy.
No, I don't, for a number of reasons. Without the accident, I may just decide to sit on the money and keep it as savings, which does nothing for the economy. This is theory our government is using for the bailouts and why individuals aren't getting a stimulus check, like Bush had sent out. They found that people saved and did not spend the money Bush had sent out. Second, I likely don't have the necessary amount of money to buy a new car to begin with. The only reason I can get my car repaired is because I have auto insurance (another huge industry, BTW).
The Broken Window Fallacy. Maybe you should read it sometime, before calling people stupid.
Yes, I've read that drivel before. Spending $80 is spending $80, and the only thing that the accident did was make the choice on what that $80 is spent on. If you really believe making repairs is bad for the economy, then we should outlaw repairing anything. That will create some new wealth huh?
A collections agency can't repo your phone. The only time something can be repoed is if it was bought using a secured loan... meaning the item your buying is the collateral against the loan.
A collections agency CANNOT call your work, or friends. Those are all illegal acts. I have such an agency discussing the matter with my states AG office. At this point, it seems a lawsuit from the AG is likely.
No...I got your point. I just chose to go on a mildly off topic rant about people who are incapable of doing anything for themselves.
You're very arrogant. You assume people are incapable, when they really just don't care. I can only do a few minor things to my car.. beyond that I'm clueless. Why? I simply have better things to do with my time then fix major problems on my car.
Whenever I hear some computer expert talking to another and claiming that people don't like to do maintenance and repairs on their computer because "it would be like you fixing your own car" it kind of gets to me. Because I _can_ fix my own car.
Get off your pedistal. No one cares that you can fix your car.. really, I don't. It doesn't make you better then me, it doesn't make you smarter, or your opinion worth anything more.
When they say "it'd be like fixing my own car" they mean "I have a life and would rather spend it doing other things."
It's a simple matter of disassembly, figuring out how things work, and reassembly with the broken parts replaced.
Yes, and there are more enjoyable things in life to do as well. If someone earns their own living and doesn't care to fix their own car or computer, why do you care? Oh, because it's one of the few things you have to make you feel good about yourself... sorry, I forgot.
As for there being more types of RAM than sparkplugs.... Have you _seen_ the spark plug aisle at your local auto parts store?
Yup, and unlike RAM, they're all clearly marked. As an aside... most people simply don't care, and its worth spending the money to free them of a task they don't want to do, will spend a lot more time doing than a pro, and overall help them be happier.
I'd hazard a pretty good guess that there are many more spark plug types then there are RAM types.
Yup, and the nice thing is that anyone can simply ask, because the type of plug they need is in a handy book. Which is quite different then RAM, where having the same model might not even have the same RAM, due to upgrades or newer "generations" of the model.
By that logic, if I bomb a city, all the money spent on rebuilding said city is good for the economy, no?
Economically speaking it may very well be. The problem would be that people would become afraid and not spend... but that's not what happens in a car accident. People rubberneck and move on as if nothing happened.
Fixing broken shit that's broken due to maliciousness or negligence does NOT help the economy. The vast majority of traffic accidents are caused by negligence. Creating something new or repairing something that is broken due to wear or age....now THAT helps the economy.
Wow... are you really this stupid? Do you think the guy at the auto body cares if he's repairing paint that wore off vs. paint that was scrapped off due to an accident? Money is money, and repairs, regardless of the reason the item now needs repair, does spur the economy.
Throwing money around for the sake of throwing money around isn't good economic policy. It's just money flowing, with no real benefit.
Ok... you really are that stupid. Economy IS MONEY FLOWING AROUND. That's the whole fucking definition. Keeping in the bank does nothing to grow an economy, only spending it does. What its spent on is largely irrelevent (only looking at the economics of a transaction, ignoring anything else), as long as its spent.
Whether I buy a new car, or pay to have my wrecked car repaired, that money goes to someone else, who uses parts of it to pay employees, buy more parts which pays more employees, etc.
Accidents don't do economic damage... and as for your example, the US made quite a mint helping to REBUILD Europe after both world wars.
This is a completely misleading statement and totally misses the point. Well done!
You don't need to look at the source code to see what other products do. You just need to look at the ODF files they produce. Indeed, given the licenses of the products that implement ODF, you can obtain the copies you need for testing FOR FREE.
Well done, you are completely wrong! If MS looked at the files, it could easily be claimed they looked at the code. After all,you need quite a few different files to see all the variations. Had they gotten it right, it raises a question of "did they look at the files, or the source."
Looking at ONLY the standard, there can be no question that they didn't look at anyone elses code when implementing the standard. And lets not forget, that all takes effort to do what the specs DON'T SPECIFY. Why should they take extra effort not required by the spec, if the goal was simply to comply with the spec?
Similarly, while your legal department might bar you from reading competitors code for fear of copyright co-mingling, there is nothing to stop you employing a third party to go look on your behalf and write a report on what was done. So you can have your cake and eat it.
Oh, well thanks for your legal opinion. I'm sure THAT wouldn't raise any problems at all... genius!
When you consider the economic damage accidents - even non-fatal ones - cause, there's no reason at all to keep these twits on the road.
Economic damage? What damage? Money spent due to accidents doesn't disappear... it goes to local body shops, auto parts stores, shippers, etc. Or did you fail to notice the whole sector of the economy which runs on the fact that accidents DO happen?
I'm all for reducing accidents, but accidents don't cause any kind of economic damage.. they contribute to the economy in a positive way.
And who's to say that a speed is unreasonably low?
Um, the majority of drivers. Read the 85th percentile rule. Basically it says "set the limit at whatever will put the 85th percentile in compliance with the limit."
As a cyclist, then yes: I would prefer to ban cars (except for those who really need them) BUT I am happy to compromise by *sharing* the *public* roads with motorists.
You realize that roads are designed and built with cars, not bikes in mind. My experience and evidence (and yes, I collected evidence) seems to be that cyclists are the biggest threat to themselves. 90% where I live think it's prefectly fine to run stop signs, red lights, pass a car on the right, and weave onto and off of sidewalks whenever convient.
You have a right to use the road using the common vechical of the day... and that's not a bike. Personally I'd rather ban cyclists from using MOTORWAYS because they cause many more problems than drivers.
Yes, but remember that most roads are set well below the 85th percentile rule, by as much as 8 to 12 MPH. You'd be hard pressed to find a road that is actually set according to the standard, so I feel quite comfortable for now that the blaket statement of raising limits decreases accident rates.
No you didn't; you dug your head into the sand because you don't want to believe otherwise. The last one should be of special intrest to you, because you believe speed limits are for saftey. From that link:
"Lowering speed limits more than 5 mi/h (8 km/h) below the 85th percentile speed of traffic did not reduce accidents."
and
"Based on the free-flow speed data collected for a 24-h period at the experimental and comparison sites in 22 States, posted speed limits were set, on the average, at the 45th percentile speed or below the average speed of traffic"
You'd be surprised how many people would be in that exact same situation without having prepared a good lie up front, and who, if the need arises suddenly, can't come up with a convincing one.
Doubtful. You're just making something up, you have no evidence... just your belief.
And if they can, then as I said, the clerk has, in my view, met a reasonable duty to insure he isn't contributing to a tort (or perhaps even a crime) against an innocent third party.
I suppose Dell should call you everytime you print to ask if it's going to be "contributing to a tort." Sorry, the store isn't responsible in the first place, no matter how much you'd like to think it should be. It's unreasonable, just the same as its unreasonable for someone to be questioned for buying a hammer.
Unquestioningly obeying orders went out of style in 1945.
What this has to do with anything is beyond me... but its a poor attempt to setup a strawman. Kinkos wouldn't be responsible.. they just allow people to copy whatever they want with their machines. It's up to YOU to be responsible, and you alone face the consequences.
You can legislate away a portion of impulse murder and accident by otherwise law abiding citizens, the V-Tech and Columbine things probably wouldn't have happened either.
By that logic we should ban cars too, since some people had an impulse to drive their car into a crowd.
Also, if you don't believe that low availability of guns affects their price and availability to criminal elements... well anyway.
Criminals don't worry about price... they steal... part of the reason their criminals...
Lets get real here. The majority of gun violence is directly related to the war on drugs. You want to reduce violence, stop trying to prevent people from exercising control over their own bodies (ie. illegal drugs, gambling, prostitution, etc).
No, not at all. The others are open source projects, and can look at each other's code. MS can't, or they'd have to open source their code. So they only looked at the standard... which is seriously lacking.
Summary is designed and implemented to piss off and scare the slashdot crowd. Article is a reasonable, if very intrusive, approach to reducing traffic accidents.
Except that speeding (ie, violating the posted limit) isn't what is causing traffic accidents. If anything, it's limits purposefully set lower than engineering standards that cause accidents.
So far, everytime they've raised speed limits on interstates, accident rates DROP.
Yes, I'm sure thats very effective. Why bother asking if it's so easy to lie and you can't possible discern the truth anyway? Oh, not like the employee couldn't lie about asking anyway...
Well good for you. You spend a good amount of time fixing broken stuff.
If finding the right RAM was as easy as replacing a spark plug on a lawnmower, you'd have a point. But it's not. Unlike a sparkplug, there are quite a few different versions as I mentioned, and many times the RAM itself isn't marked in anyway that even gives you a clue as to what speed, voltage or size it is. At least the sparkplug has that information.
You fail to understand my point; it's not that I'm incapable of changing my own oil, it's that I have other things I'd rather do (plus the fact that every oil change means a tire rotation, and I don't have the means to do that myself). This is why many don't repair their own crap, it's that it can be done faster and better by a professional. I replaced my own kitchen cabinets (removed old, installed new). Did I save money on installation? Depends on how you look at it. I had to burn three days of time off I could have used for something else. It took a lot longer than it would take a professional (two days, vs. I'm sure one for some pros). It also didn't come out quite as nice (it being the first time I ever attempted something like that on my own). So, in the end I was able to do it, it did come out fairly nice (but pros would have done better), and I probably wouldn't do it again given the choice.
Uh, yes it is by the government... and a government law dictation what ISPs must do goes against that. If the ISP played along with the RIAA without government intervention, you'd have a point.
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Hmm.. call me crazy, but I'd rather not be burning any food for fuel. Lets stick to using stuff we otherwise wouldn't have a use for.
Would the world be a better or worse place without the Bibles influence?
I'd think much better. Maybe we wouldn't have had the church holding back science for so long.
So I guess we should all be thanking the Somali pirates for helping the economy.
After all, all those ransoms are money flowing from one person to another, so it must be helpful.
And you're calling me stupid?
Yes, you're comparing theft with an accident. Theft is a whole other matter.
No...spending money to fix things simply to bring them back up to the level they were before they were damaged by a moron, does not help the economy. It sucks up resources that could otherwise be spent on something productive.
So the whole autobody business is a waste? It doesn't employ people, and affect other businesses... parts suppliers, rental companies, equipment manufactors?
Sorry, thats NOT "sucking up resources" because there's a whoel section of the economy that runs on it. By your thinking, maybe we should just ban the fixing of anything... because its "sucking up resources that could otherwise be spent on something productive," like buying a brand new shiney thing! God damn you're retarded. How is building an iPhone more productive than repairing a broken car?
You can fix your damaged car, helping the autobody shop.
Or, you can buy a new car with the same money (presumably a smaller one), sell your old one, (which is still in one piece and running) and help a car dealer, car manufacturer, yourself, and the person who bought your old car.
No, I cannot buy a new car for the same money. That's why it's cost effective for me to repair the car.. because buying a new one would be more expensive. Why is the new car dealer being dubbed as more important than the autobody shop and all the industries it affects? BTW, car manufacturers produce EXCESS parts specifically to be used to repair broken cars. As do other parts suppliers.
Without the economic damage from the accident, you've suddenly got an extra car's worth of goods available to you and the economy.
No, I don't, for a number of reasons. Without the accident, I may just decide to sit on the money and keep it as savings, which does nothing for the economy. This is theory our government is using for the bailouts and why individuals aren't getting a stimulus check, like Bush had sent out. They found that people saved and did not spend the money Bush had sent out. Second, I likely don't have the necessary amount of money to buy a new car to begin with. The only reason I can get my car repaired is because I have auto insurance (another huge industry, BTW).
The Broken Window Fallacy. Maybe you should read it sometime, before calling people stupid.
Yes, I've read that drivel before. Spending $80 is spending $80, and the only thing that the accident did was make the choice on what that $80 is spent on. If you really believe making repairs is bad for the economy, then we should outlaw repairing anything. That will create some new wealth huh?
A collections agency can't repo your phone. The only time something can be repoed is if it was bought using a secured loan... meaning the item your buying is the collateral against the loan.
A collections agency CANNOT call your work, or friends. Those are all illegal acts. I have such an agency discussing the matter with my states AG office. At this point, it seems a lawsuit from the AG is likely.
you can't punish an employee for obeying the will of the company.
Yes, you can. Where do you get these ideas?
No...I got your point. I just chose to go on a mildly off topic rant about people who are incapable of doing anything for themselves.
You're very arrogant. You assume people are incapable, when they really just don't care. I can only do a few minor things to my car.. beyond that I'm clueless. Why? I simply have better things to do with my time then fix major problems on my car.
Whenever I hear some computer expert talking to another and claiming that people don't like to do maintenance and repairs on their computer because "it would be like you fixing your own car" it kind of gets to me. Because I _can_ fix my own car.
Get off your pedistal. No one cares that you can fix your car.. really, I don't. It doesn't make you better then me, it doesn't make you smarter, or your opinion worth anything more.
When they say "it'd be like fixing my own car" they mean "I have a life and would rather spend it doing other things."
It's a simple matter of disassembly, figuring out how things work, and reassembly with the broken parts replaced.
Yes, and there are more enjoyable things in life to do as well. If someone earns their own living and doesn't care to fix their own car or computer, why do you care? Oh, because it's one of the few things you have to make you feel good about yourself... sorry, I forgot.
As for there being more types of RAM than sparkplugs.... Have you _seen_ the spark plug aisle at your local auto parts store?
Yup, and unlike RAM, they're all clearly marked. As an aside... most people simply don't care, and its worth spending the money to free them of a task they don't want to do, will spend a lot more time doing than a pro, and overall help them be happier.
I'd hazard a pretty good guess that there are many more spark plug types then there are RAM types.
Yup, and the nice thing is that anyone can simply ask, because the type of plug they need is in a handy book. Which is quite different then RAM, where having the same model might not even have the same RAM, due to upgrades or newer "generations" of the model.
Probably because a majority of lawyers are specialists, and when they need a lawyer it won't happen to be in that specialty.
By that logic, if I bomb a city, all the money spent on rebuilding said city is good for the economy, no?
Economically speaking it may very well be. The problem would be that people would become afraid and not spend... but that's not what happens in a car accident. People rubberneck and move on as if nothing happened.
Fixing broken shit that's broken due to maliciousness or negligence does NOT help the economy. The vast majority of traffic accidents are caused by negligence.
Creating something new or repairing something that is broken due to wear or age....now THAT helps the economy.
Wow... are you really this stupid? Do you think the guy at the auto body cares if he's repairing paint that wore off vs. paint that was scrapped off due to an accident? Money is money, and repairs, regardless of the reason the item now needs repair, does spur the economy.
Throwing money around for the sake of throwing money around isn't good economic policy. It's just money flowing, with no real benefit.
Ok... you really are that stupid. Economy IS MONEY FLOWING AROUND. That's the whole fucking definition. Keeping in the bank does nothing to grow an economy, only spending it does. What its spent on is largely irrelevent (only looking at the economics of a transaction, ignoring anything else), as long as its spent.
Whether I buy a new car, or pay to have my wrecked car repaired, that money goes to someone else, who uses parts of it to pay employees, buy more parts which pays more employees, etc.
Accidents don't do economic damage... and as for your example, the US made quite a mint helping to REBUILD Europe after both world wars.
This is a completely misleading statement and totally misses the point. Well done!
You don't need to look at the source code to see what other products do. You just need to look at the ODF files they produce. Indeed, given the licenses of the products that implement ODF, you can obtain the copies you need for testing FOR FREE.
Well done, you are completely wrong! If MS looked at the files, it could easily be claimed they looked at the code. After all,you need quite a few different files to see all the variations. Had they gotten it right, it raises a question of "did they look at the files, or the source."
Looking at ONLY the standard, there can be no question that they didn't look at anyone elses code when implementing the standard. And lets not forget, that all takes effort to do what the specs DON'T SPECIFY. Why should they take extra effort not required by the spec, if the goal was simply to comply with the spec?
Similarly, while your legal department might bar you from reading competitors code for fear of copyright co-mingling, there is nothing to stop you employing a third party to go look on your behalf and write a report on what was done. So you can have your cake and eat it.
Oh, well thanks for your legal opinion. I'm sure THAT wouldn't raise any problems at all... genius!
Do you really think the US military would carry out an order to drop an H-bomb on an American city?
Only if a corportation built city was suddenly overrun by zombies.
Unfortunately there are a lot of corrupt polictians and police that want to make money from handing out tickets, hence the limits.
There, I fixed that. Did you miss the study that ticket enforcement goes up everytime the state needs money?
When you consider the economic damage accidents - even non-fatal ones - cause, there's no reason at all to keep these twits on the road.
Economic damage? What damage? Money spent due to accidents doesn't disappear... it goes to local body shops, auto parts stores, shippers, etc. Or did you fail to notice the whole sector of the economy which runs on the fact that accidents DO happen?
I'm all for reducing accidents, but accidents don't cause any kind of economic damage.. they contribute to the economy in a positive way.
And who's to say that a speed is unreasonably low?
Um, the majority of drivers. Read the 85th percentile rule. Basically it says "set the limit at whatever will put the 85th percentile in compliance with the limit."
As a cyclist, then yes: I would prefer to ban cars (except for those who really need them) BUT I am happy to compromise by *sharing* the *public* roads with motorists.
You realize that roads are designed and built with cars, not bikes in mind. My experience and evidence (and yes, I collected evidence) seems to be that cyclists are the biggest threat to themselves. 90% where I live think it's prefectly fine to run stop signs, red lights, pass a car on the right, and weave onto and off of sidewalks whenever convient.
You have a right to use the road using the common vechical of the day... and that's not a bike. Personally I'd rather ban cyclists from using MOTORWAYS because they cause many more problems than drivers.
Yes, but remember that most roads are set well below the 85th percentile rule, by as much as 8 to 12 MPH. You'd be hard pressed to find a road that is actually set according to the standard, so I feel quite comfortable for now that the blaket statement of raising limits decreases accident rates.
No you didn't; you dug your head into the sand because you don't want to believe otherwise. The last one should be of special intrest to you, because you believe speed limits are for saftey. From that link:
"Lowering speed limits more than 5 mi/h (8 km/h) below the 85th percentile speed of traffic did not reduce accidents."
and
"Based on the free-flow speed data collected for a 24-h period at the experimental and comparison sites in 22 States, posted speed limits were set, on the average, at the 45th percentile speed or below the average speed of traffic"
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_19990425/ai_n11718981/
http://www.motorists.org/speedlimits/home/higher-65-mph-save-lives/
http://www.motorists.org/speedlimits/home/did-raising-freeway-speed-limits-affect-traffic-safety/
http://www.motorists.org/speedlimits/home/new-york-dot-study/
http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html
But please, keep telling yourself speed limits are all about safety, when studies show the opposite.
You'd be surprised how many people would be in that exact same situation without having prepared a good lie up front, and who, if the need arises suddenly, can't come up with a convincing one.
Doubtful. You're just making something up, you have no evidence... just your belief.
And if they can, then as I said, the clerk has, in my view, met a reasonable duty to insure he isn't contributing to a tort (or perhaps even a crime) against an innocent third party.
I suppose Dell should call you everytime you print to ask if it's going to be "contributing to a tort." Sorry, the store isn't responsible in the first place, no matter how much you'd like to think it should be. It's unreasonable, just the same as its unreasonable for someone to be questioned for buying a hammer.
Unquestioningly obeying orders went out of style in 1945.
What this has to do with anything is beyond me... but its a poor attempt to setup a strawman. Kinkos wouldn't be responsible.. they just allow people to copy whatever they want with their machines. It's up to YOU to be responsible, and you alone face the consequences.
You can legislate away a portion of impulse murder and accident by otherwise law abiding citizens, the V-Tech and Columbine things probably wouldn't have happened either.
By that logic we should ban cars too, since some people had an impulse to drive their car into a crowd.
Also, if you don't believe that low availability of guns affects their price and availability to criminal elements... well anyway.
Criminals don't worry about price... they steal... part of the reason their criminals...
Lets get real here. The majority of gun violence is directly related to the war on drugs. You want to reduce violence, stop trying to prevent people from exercising control over their own bodies (ie. illegal drugs, gambling, prostitution, etc).
Huh? Dollhouse is way better than SCC. SCC was unwatchable... it felt like a high school attempt at making a show.
No, not at all. The others are open source projects, and can look at each other's code. MS can't, or they'd have to open source their code. So they only looked at the standard... which is seriously lacking.
Doubtful... it's not like they aren't disgusting with clothes on.
Summary is designed and implemented to piss off and scare the slashdot crowd. Article is a reasonable, if very intrusive, approach to reducing traffic accidents.
Except that speeding (ie, violating the posted limit) isn't what is causing traffic accidents. If anything, it's limits purposefully set lower than engineering standards that cause accidents.
So far, everytime they've raised speed limits on interstates, accident rates DROP.
Yes, I'm sure thats very effective. Why bother asking if it's so easy to lie and you can't possible discern the truth anyway? Oh, not like the employee couldn't lie about asking anyway...
Well good for you. You spend a good amount of time fixing broken stuff.
If finding the right RAM was as easy as replacing a spark plug on a lawnmower, you'd have a point. But it's not. Unlike a sparkplug, there are quite a few different versions as I mentioned, and many times the RAM itself isn't marked in anyway that even gives you a clue as to what speed, voltage or size it is. At least the sparkplug has that information.
You fail to understand my point; it's not that I'm incapable of changing my own oil, it's that I have other things I'd rather do (plus the fact that every oil change means a tire rotation, and I don't have the means to do that myself). This is why many don't repair their own crap, it's that it can be done faster and better by a professional. I replaced my own kitchen cabinets (removed old, installed new). Did I save money on installation? Depends on how you look at it. I had to burn three days of time off I could have used for something else. It took a lot longer than it would take a professional (two days, vs. I'm sure one for some pros). It also didn't come out quite as nice (it being the first time I ever attempted something like that on my own). So, in the end I was able to do it, it did come out fairly nice (but pros would have done better), and I probably wouldn't do it again given the choice.
Uh, yes it is by the government... and a government law dictation what ISPs must do goes against that. If the ISP played along with the RIAA without government intervention, you'd have a point.