Wait a year; not only Qt will remain available for Symbian and Maemo (as it is now), but their UIs will actually be built around it. Then ignoring them on/. will get really funny...
You are very wrong right there (which influences how you perceive what I wrote). Catholic Church might be somewhat loose organisation, but is in no way decentralized. I could write why, give obvious examples (ever heard about papal infallibility?)...but I'll just say that I live in such place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Poland , and. apart from usual customs. I was indoctrinated by a "schooling" system for at least an hour a week, and for at least 13 years (excluding holidays). I know it very good from the inside.
There is hardly any ambiguity as to what you should speak in this community. Well, now "how" is starting to include a place where...they don't really have much clout. Where anybody can see with little effort some ridiculous claims on a blog (whereas they wouldn't bother wasting time in case of homily)
It's more easy then you think. When played repeatedly, the only alternative to that "realization" is...shifting towards more extreme views, which already won't fly in many places throughout the world; with their proponents self-containing themselves, effectively.
(actually, from the "failures" on my part, I can see that self-containment is the first thing such "stubborn" people do, without much of an attitude change or external pressure; especially if you aren't hypocritical about making your place a slightly better one to live in, if you really represent "virtues")
Secrecy of confessions doesn't stem from any basic "truths of faith", seems contradictory to few important ideas in New Testament actually. But since it is the moment when priests have the highest level of influence on the faithful, an act the form of which is accepted for a long time - leaving it to their discretion influences the doctrine hugely (have you ever been to a confession in a place where Catholic priests feel comfortable? Do you realize how big of an impact they are trying it to have?)
Which was actually the "idea" behind it - communities discussing, thinking about their life instead of following the clergy were at odds with ideas of feudalism.
BTW, why do you think I don't want to irk brainwahsed ones?
That's why I said "should" - there's no guarantee, of course. But two things suggest it will end up slightly better this time, IMHO; not only the general trend in recent times, associated with similar kind of civilizational advances, but also, somewhat unexpectedly, "reverting" to a state when people regularly came into contact with other faiths. Necessitating greater tolerance among other things.
Currently, the *contents* of sermons and services are not available for that same scrutiny. If religious indoctrination and propaganda starts to move online, that is a huge win for skeptics.
That's somewhat changing, too...in my country (90+ % Catholic officially) there were cases of, simply put, embarrassing sermons which were recorded. Of course those willing to record sermons and make a big deal out of ridiculous ones aren't very happy to force themselves regularly through mass.
Just because some ideas are used to control people, it does not mean the ideas are bad or untrue.
No, if some idea is consistently and reliably thorough history used for nefarious purposes, that is what this idea represents and not what it claims to represent.
I know. Formally I'm still Catholic (can't be bothered to do a long travel just for apostasy). Your example is hardly a "peep into another world"...it's just how one representative of that world wants to be seen.
The cute thing is that, contrary to what you claim, the level of oversight will change drastically. Currently not only the message is controlled but also the channels of information; if such loose organisation goes into a medium such open as the internet, they loose the latter. Which might jeopardize the former.
Please, and don't try to insult intelligence of Slashdotters insinuating that I suggested some kind of infiltration-based, secret system in place, I did no such thing; as anyone who can read can tell. It was just pointing out the hypothetical possibility of such thing once the channel is not controlled anymore (and it is controlled, contrary to what you claim; as you gave an example, you'll be kicked out of the church if not behaving "appropriately"...and also when asking uneasy questions, I can assure you that (I live in a country that's formally 90+ % Catholic)) - in such informal, loosely knit place as the net, how do you even know you're dealing with converts? Heard about/b/?
BTW, Catholics are far from open at this point (which admittedly wasn't the case at the beginning) Why there is a need for secret documents? (notably regarding "revelations" of one kind or another; meantime the faithful are allowed to worship them...) Can you show me any reliable research about content of confessions?
With all that insight of yours...you really haven't ever noticed that the thought of religious communities lives almost exclusivity in controlled (not in "Orwellian" meaning of control, ffs, in which you seem to interpret it) environments? That channels of information have strong values attached to them, and only those following the party line are held in high regard?
It isn't the case in the net anymore. Heck, even such overboard things as infiltrating those communities become bearable and easily done. And not only from "atheists" (why do you suggest only those are in "fighting mood"?...)
While contemplating how irritating this might be, remember that...they don't really have any other choice but try to shift their methods towards new reality. And it's not so bad; might a bit messy for a time, but ultimately those are convulsions of the old ways - which simply won't fit to that new reality.
Whether that will result in human consciousness at large being, finally, freed from those ideas (extremely doubtful) or new variant of them taking hold (more likely; and you might try to influence it) - it doesn't matter. Since it should end up, again, more tolerable generally. Until next step...
At this point I suspect they might be simply used to it. If considering phones with proper reception, proper handling of connectivity you think Nokia or Ericsson...neither of which allowed real entry into US market.
The 3G-EDGE failover problems actually have nothing to do with the iPhone and everything to do with GSM. This has never worked very well, not even in other dual band phones.
It almost seems like the US simply doesn't choose proper phone brands...y'know, where the phone part is very solid (Ericsson in their SE venture or Nokia, primarily). If such problems are inherent for GSM, I should have noticed them by now at least once, right?
The Nexus One is manufactured by HTC, not Google - they have a lot of experience making OEM phones (many of the network-branded phones of the last 15 or so years were designed & built by them).
Remarkable, considering they were funded less than 13 years ago and there doesn't seem to be any trace of their phones older then 8 years;p
But more seriously - I'm still cautious about HTC. They seem to have their roots in Windows CE palmtops, not phones...and it's still kinda visible with lesser focus on sturdiness, battery life and reception than in devices that are firmly of mobile phone heritage. Who knows, perhaps that's also one of the factors why people in the US seem to moan about weak coverage a lot...
(yes, that's not restricted to HTC, includes also Apple for example)
No other browser supports NoScript-like functionality except for, usually ignored in such "only FF supports that" rants, Opera. For a long, long time...
BTW, Opera also stands behind Theora (and generally a web accessible to everybody), they proposed the tag.
FYI, Opera is also behind Theora (heck, they proposed video tag back then). Though people portraying this as only Mozilla doing the "right thing" is only...typical.
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I suspect this might fall into the category of so amazingly bad that it's just...bad, and nothing else, but - title?
I'm really excited about the possibilities with electric cars ;)
Imagine - Zeus sparks, St. Elm fires, torture device from Star Wars, effect on propulsion pads from Matrix...
Wait a year; not only Qt will remain available for Symbian and Maemo (as it is now), but their UIs will actually be built around it. Then ignoring them on /. will get really funny...
...decentralized nature of the Catholic Church...
You are very wrong right there (which influences how you perceive what I wrote). Catholic Church might be somewhat loose organisation, but is in no way decentralized. I could write why, give obvious examples (ever heard about papal infallibility?)...but I'll just say that I live in such place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Poland , and. apart from usual customs. I was indoctrinated by a "schooling" system for at least an hour a week, and for at least 13 years (excluding holidays). I know it very good from the inside.
There is hardly any ambiguity as to what you should speak in this community. Well, now "how" is starting to include a place where...they don't really have much clout. Where anybody can see with little effort some ridiculous claims on a blog (whereas they wouldn't bother wasting time in case of homily)
It's more easy then you think. When played repeatedly, the only alternative to that "realization" is...shifting towards more extreme views, which already won't fly in many places throughout the world; with their proponents self-containing themselves, effectively.
(actually, from the "failures" on my part, I can see that self-containment is the first thing such "stubborn" people do, without much of an attitude change or external pressure; especially if you aren't hypocritical about making your place a slightly better one to live in, if you really represent "virtues")
Secrecy of confessions doesn't stem from any basic "truths of faith", seems contradictory to few important ideas in New Testament actually. But since it is the moment when priests have the highest level of influence on the faithful, an act the form of which is accepted for a long time - leaving it to their discretion influences the doctrine hugely (have you ever been to a confession in a place where Catholic priests feel comfortable? Do you realize how big of an impact they are trying it to have?)
Which was actually the "idea" behind it - communities discussing, thinking about their life instead of following the clergy were at odds with ideas of feudalism.
BTW, why do you think I don't want to irk brainwahsed ones?
You either mighty confused or think that playing stupid as AC is fine...
It is believed that if somebody can't obtain confession, but will express sorrow and wish to confess mortal sins, they should be "saved".
Though what you say doesn't change the fact that many really interesting documents are kept secret in "proper" meaning of the word.
That's why I said "should" - there's no guarantee, of course. But two things suggest it will end up slightly better this time, IMHO; not only the general trend in recent times, associated with similar kind of civilizational advances, but also, somewhat unexpectedly, "reverting" to a state when people regularly came into contact with other faiths. Necessitating greater tolerance among other things.
Currently, the *contents* of sermons and services are not available for that same scrutiny. If religious indoctrination and propaganda starts to move online, that is a huge win for skeptics.
That's somewhat changing, too...in my country (90+ % Catholic officially) there were cases of, simply put, embarrassing sermons which were recorded. Of course those willing to record sermons and make a big deal out of ridiculous ones aren't very happy to force themselves regularly through mass.
Net, as we pointed out, changes this.
Nihilism. There you go, at least one.
Just because some ideas are used to control people, it does not mean the ideas are bad or untrue.
No, if some idea is consistently and reliably thorough history used for nefarious purposes, that is what this idea represents and not what it claims to represent.
I know. Formally I'm still Catholic (can't be bothered to do a long travel just for apostasy). Your example is hardly a "peep into another world"...it's just how one representative of that world wants to be seen.
Unleash more of them, and it will get "funny" :)
Since you don't seem to want to get it...
The cute thing is that, contrary to what you claim, the level of oversight will change drastically. Currently not only the message is controlled but also the channels of information; if such loose organisation goes into a medium such open as the internet, they loose the latter. Which might jeopardize the former.
Please, and don't try to insult intelligence of Slashdotters insinuating that I suggested some kind of infiltration-based, secret system in place, I did no such thing; as anyone who can read can tell. It was just pointing out the hypothetical possibility of such thing once the channel is not controlled anymore (and it is controlled, contrary to what you claim; as you gave an example, you'll be kicked out of the church if not behaving "appropriately"...and also when asking uneasy questions, I can assure you that (I live in a country that's formally 90+ % Catholic)) - in such informal, loosely knit place as the net, how do you even know you're dealing with converts? Heard about /b/?
BTW, Catholics are far from open at this point (which admittedly wasn't the case at the beginning) Why there is a need for secret documents? (notably regarding "revelations" of one kind or another; meantime the faithful are allowed to worship them...) Can you show me any reliable research about content of confessions?
If preaching ended up being a disturbing experience, the preachers should had noticed something right at this point...
With all that insight of yours...you really haven't ever noticed that the thought of religious communities lives almost exclusivity in controlled (not in "Orwellian" meaning of control, ffs, in which you seem to interpret it) environments? That channels of information have strong values attached to them, and only those following the party line are held in high regard?
It isn't the case in the net anymore. Heck, even such overboard things as infiltrating those communities become bearable and easily done. And not only from "atheists" (why do you suggest only those are in "fighting mood"?...)
While contemplating how irritating this might be, remember that...they don't really have any other choice but try to shift their methods towards new reality. And it's not so bad; might a bit messy for a time, but ultimately those are convulsions of the old ways - which simply won't fit to that new reality.
Whether that will result in human consciousness at large being, finally, freed from those ideas (extremely doubtful) or new variant of them taking hold (more likely; and you might try to influence it) - it doesn't matter. Since it should end up, again, more tolerable generally. Until next step...
Evens the playing field, makes what they preach much more vulnerable if it's not restricted to small community or closed channel of information.
I love it.
Yeah, dropping iTunes DRM had nothing to do with the threat of iTunes being kicked out of EU market... (they have better phones there, too)
At this point I suspect they might be simply used to it. If considering phones with proper reception, proper handling of connectivity you think Nokia or Ericsson...neither of which allowed real entry into US market.
Finland, for example, has two times lower population density than the US. And they beat you handily when it comes to coverage.
So, also, I can imagine one carrier can easily be better than the rest, if the generally cut corners as much as they can get away with.
The 3G-EDGE failover problems actually have nothing to do with the iPhone and everything to do with GSM. This has never worked very well, not even in other dual band phones.
It almost seems like the US simply doesn't choose proper phone brands...y'know, where the phone part is very solid (Ericsson in their SE venture or Nokia, primarily). If such problems are inherent for GSM, I should have noticed them by now at least once, right?
The Nexus One is manufactured by HTC, not Google - they have a lot of experience making OEM phones (many of the network-branded phones of the last 15 or so years were designed & built by them).
Remarkable, considering they were funded less than 13 years ago and there doesn't seem to be any trace of their phones older then 8 years ;p
But more seriously - I'm still cautious about HTC. They seem to have their roots in Windows CE palmtops, not phones...and it's still kinda visible with lesser focus on sturdiness, battery life and reception than in devices that are firmly of mobile phone heritage. Who knows, perhaps that's also one of the factors why people in the US seem to moan about weak coverage a lot...
(yes, that's not restricted to HTC, includes also Apple for example)
No other browser supports NoScript-like functionality except for, usually ignored in such "only FF supports that" rants, Opera. For a long, long time...
BTW, Opera also stands behind Theora (and generally a web accessible to everybody), they proposed the tag.
FYI, Opera is also behind Theora (heck, they proposed video tag back then). Though people portraying this as only Mozilla doing the "right thing" is only...typical.
http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2009/12/31/re-introducing-video
BTW, Debian folks would really argue about the extent to which Firefox or Seamonkey are free...