We basically already have table size screens. But we generally insist on placing them vertically... (which might be also partly a legacy of CRT-dictated practical approaches)
You lost the point quite a bit, just reinforced the impression how you perceive this via local experiences. In large part of the world Kia Rio (generally - similar new car, or similarly priced used car) is middle-class at worst.
And Apple almost doesn't exist. In my reasonably prosperous late EU memberstate (certainly more prosperous than basically all of Latin America, Africa, CIS, most of Asia; where vast majority of people live) I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've seen an iPod (well, excluding my iPod obviously...). Even worse with iPhone. So called "feature phones" never ceased being the rage (lately in the form of touchscreen LG Cookie or Samsung Star). Look at part 3 of latest Opera Mini report, nice lists of handsets used in many different economies. And don't tell me "the lesser people are irrelevant" - there are over 5 billion mobile subscribers now.
To be fair, AC to which you replied made first this error, in saying how iPad might "continue to dominate" - it didn't really strictly happen in the first place. With none of their products. Except in "few atypical (but highly visible and with lots of loud pundits(*)) places"
Who says about bending over? There are quite a lot more possibilities in the reality I'm in than right angles (that's why "relatively close to horizontal")
Drafting tables, what will probably turn out to be (in future hindsights) the analogue ancestor to "work touchscreens", were generally at most right in the middle between horizontal and vertical, usually closer to the former.
Uhm, you average user pretty much abandons stationary desktop (if some working one is still present) when getting a laptop...
(and TBH I ignored how most laptop users do get some mouse - but that's also due to some bizarre mechanisms / you can't tell me that trying to use a mouse on the flat surface next to touchpad, when sitting on a park bench (yup, seen it), is more efficient; they sure as hell don't care about keyboards though)
I seem to recall quite a lot of people reading books, newspapers or notes while having them on some sort of desk; a relatively close to horizontal flat surface, generally. OTOH book stands, to read them while vertical, didn't really took of...
Binary compatibility should matter less, in times of frameworks and runtimes.
Adding to what julesh said about...
You can, literally, buy a brand new Intel machine today and run DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 on it, unmodified, without emulation.
...truth is, it is much easier, straightforward and elegant via emulation. Also on ARM.
Furthermore, BIOS proper is going out / its emulation in EFI probably ignores many relics. And I'm not sure if saying "near 20 years of full end-user software compatibility" is justified if I can't run win16 binaries on win64 (and that's a hard limitation of x86-64)
So...sure, recent explosive growth of absolute numbers can't continue for long. But most of those people are on entry-level handsets (like Nokia S30 ones) or so called "feature phones". They will want more soon enough.
Sounds quite poor as a tablet. Even worse than "tablet PCs" of the past which did have touchscreen. Form factor / abandoning horrible concept of one small rotating hinge can make all the difference.
Like Asus Eee Pad Slider or Samsung Sliding PC 7 Series. Yes, not "pure" tablets. But not really laptops either.
I see NAS (built on Intel Atom) advertised with bittorrent features built in. Hell, one i read about could act as a web proxy to pick up on various downloads automatically.
What advantage does Atom has over such (already existing) products built on ARM?
It won't cut it for now. But considering the most obviously "hard" example, CAD - don't you think a large enough (and otherwise solid enough) tablet with tailored CAD software can perhaps bring the best of both worlds? (vs. PC CAD and drawing board)
New things are certainly still possible (people seem to like his one)... and curiously related to CLI, a bit (plus not a trace of windowing). Meego seems to have something in similar style at least in the tablet version (videos are on YT)
...Phones, magazines (tablets), desktops, servers.... all running the same 3 PC-based operating system families - Windows, Linux/Android or OSX. With low power processors (available from Intel, among others) becoming more efficient and faster, the other embedded systems are under threat. Why maintain 50 specialty embedded operating systems when Linux (or windows, or OSX) scales to everything, and everything is powerful enough to run Linux, Windows and OSX
Well, yes, as long as you define "everything" as "powerful enough to run Linux, Windows and OSX"...
I don't ever mind posting what I have on my mind (even if it's "disruptive" to some widespread here myths), and I can't even remember when my karma wasn't at "excellent" (I believe it was when I first noticed there even is something like karma here) / don't care about it / perhaps it's not about the place / not being stupid or abusive seems to be enough.
"Supposed" to be? There are over 5 billion mobile subscribers now. Vast majority of them on ARM-powered handsets. In present use. That's more than the total number of PCs ever shipped.
Heck, a typical PC desktop or laptop is very likely to have more ARM cores than x86 ones. Also, last time I checked, the number of ARM chips shipping annually is greater than the total number of x86 chips ever made.
ARMageddon is long here, it just happened without jumping in our faces.
Process tricks not longer work like they used to, as shown by problems of "HUGI" (it's BTW telling how in "smartphone Atom" there is a part described as "32bit RISC" in "southbridge", to manage the hardware... I wonder what architecture it has; plus a sure ARM core in radio module)
Apple is one of the only huge companies to "invest in low-end offerings", as the article has put it and it's certainly paid off for them
Please tell me you're kidding... or didn't realize there are many places, with lots of people, outside your fairly atypical one (admittedly very visible and giving voice to lots of vocal pundits with limited horizon)
Apple TV? They themselves called it not a long time ago "just a hobby" to dispel its poor performance on the market.
iPhone doesn't have even 2% of over 5 billion mobile subscribers. Android will be used ( unfortunately, in some regards) pretty much by everybody - even Asian manufacturers of white goods are on board. MediaTek, one of the biggest IC makers and the provider of inexpensive integrated solutions for Shanzhai mobile phones (and essentially blocked for some time by Qualcomm from joining Android consortium), is now releasing an integrated OEM Android solution. It will now have availability of so called "feature phones" (the totally dominating segment, so far; Nokia alone sells more of them than all smartphones combined, Samsung isn't far off / the successor to S5260 Star II might very well be an Android phone)
On average / ignoring very few atypical (but highly visible and with lots of loud pundits(*)) places, we all do drive Kia Rios, or the like. Don't project your local experiences on most of the world ((*)...as do them)
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We basically already have table size screens. But we generally insist on placing them vertically... (which might be also partly a legacy of CRT-dictated practical approaches)
You lost the point quite a bit, just reinforced the impression how you perceive this via local experiences. In large part of the world Kia Rio (generally - similar new car, or similarly priced used car) is middle-class at worst.
And Apple almost doesn't exist. In my reasonably prosperous late EU memberstate (certainly more prosperous than basically all of Latin America, Africa, CIS, most of Asia; where vast majority of people live) I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've seen an iPod (well, excluding my iPod obviously...). Even worse with iPhone. So called "feature phones" never ceased being the rage (lately in the form of touchscreen LG Cookie or Samsung Star). Look at part 3 of latest Opera Mini report, nice lists of handsets used in many different economies. And don't tell me "the lesser people are irrelevant" - there are over 5 billion mobile subscribers now.
To be fair, AC to which you replied made first this error, in saying how iPad might "continue to dominate" - it didn't really strictly happen in the first place. With none of their products. Except in "few atypical (but highly visible and with lots of loud pundits(*)) places"
Who says about bending over? There are quite a lot more possibilities in the reality I'm in than right angles (that's why "relatively close to horizontal")
Drafting tables, what will probably turn out to be (in future hindsights) the analogue ancestor to "work touchscreens", were generally at most right in the middle between horizontal and vertical, usually closer to the former.
Uhm, you average user pretty much abandons stationary desktop (if some working one is still present) when getting a laptop...
(and TBH I ignored how most laptop users do get some mouse - but that's also due to some bizarre mechanisms / you can't tell me that trying to use a mouse on the flat surface next to touchpad, when sitting on a park bench (yup, seen it), is more efficient; they sure as hell don't care about keyboards though)
They wouldn't have Jazelle / j2me hardware support if ARM cores weren't designed for mobile. And that's just one very visible, "large" part.
I seem to recall quite a lot of people reading books, newspapers or notes while having them on some sort of desk; a relatively close to horizontal flat surface, generally. OTOH book stands, to read them while vertical, didn't really took of...
Binary compatibility should matter less, in times of frameworks and runtimes.
Adding to what julesh said about...
You can, literally, buy a brand new Intel machine today and run DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 on it, unmodified, without emulation.
...truth is, it is much easier, straightforward and elegant via emulation. Also on ARM.
Furthermore, BIOS proper is going out / its emulation in EFI probably ignores many relics. And I'm not sure if saying "near 20 years of full end-user software compatibility" is justified if I can't run win16 binaries on win64 (and that's a hard limitation of x86-64)
There are over 5 billion mobile subscribers now.
So...sure, recent explosive growth of absolute numbers can't continue for long. But most of those people are on entry-level handsets (like Nokia S30 ones) or so called "feature phones". They will want more soon enough.
Sounds quite poor as a tablet. Even worse than "tablet PCs" of the past which did have touchscreen. Form factor / abandoning horrible concept of one small rotating hinge can make all the difference.
Like Asus Eee Pad Slider or Samsung Sliding PC 7 Series. Yes, not "pure" tablets. But not really laptops either.
I don't exactly see full-sized keyboard and mouse included in the box with the category of PCs which has over 50% of sales, laptops.
Sony Ericsson LiveView (works with any Android phone, in case you wonder; and yes, it's that inexpensive)
I see NAS (built on Intel Atom) advertised with bittorrent features built in. Hell, one i read about could act as a web proxy to pick up on various downloads automatically.
What advantage does Atom has over such (already existing) products built on ARM?
It won't cut it for now. But considering the most obviously "hard" example, CAD - don't you think a large enough (and otherwise solid enough) tablet with tailored CAD software can perhaps bring the best of both worlds? (vs. PC CAD and drawing board)
So...in how many households using fire as the only means of artificial lighting have you been lately?
To be the best option for a tablet OS, they really should introduce hardware rendering of GUI together with upcoming tablet variant...
New things are certainly still possible (people seem to like his one) ... and curiously related to CLI, a bit (plus not a trace of windowing). Meego seems to have something in similar style at least in the tablet version (videos are on YT)
...Phones, magazines (tablets), desktops, servers.... all running the same 3 PC-based operating system families - Windows, Linux/Android or OSX. With low power processors (available from Intel, among others) becoming more efficient and faster, the other embedded systems are under threat. Why maintain 50 specialty embedded operating systems when Linux (or windows, or OSX) scales to everything, and everything is powerful enough to run Linux, Windows and OSX
Well, yes, as long as you define "everything" as "powerful enough to run Linux, Windows and OSX"...
I don't ever mind posting what I have on my mind (even if it's "disruptive" to some widespread here myths), and I can't even remember when my karma wasn't at "excellent" (I believe it was when I first noticed there even is something like karma here) / don't care about it / perhaps it's not about the place / not being stupid or abusive seems to be enough.
now it's supposed to be ARM phones
"Supposed" to be? There are over 5 billion mobile subscribers now. Vast majority of them on ARM-powered handsets. In present use. That's more than the total number of PCs ever shipped.
Heck, a typical PC desktop or laptop is very likely to have more ARM cores than x86 ones. Also, last time I checked, the number of ARM chips shipping annually is greater than the total number of x86 chips ever made.
ARMageddon is long here, it just happened without jumping in our faces.
Process tricks not longer work like they used to, as shown by problems of "HUGI" (it's BTW telling how in "smartphone Atom" there is a part described as "32bit RISC" in "southbridge", to manage the hardware ... I wonder what architecture it has; plus a sure ARM core in radio module)
ARM cores / ignoring DSPs, et al, are already faster than Atom and going into range of some slower Core chips. It really didn't cross your mind to actually verify what you're saying?
So think of this situation in say 4 years. Your new cell phone has two 4 ghz cores
Still nowhere near even to those old dual 10 GHz Pentium IV CPUs.
I don't think Win7 or OSX count as a desktop OS. They don't look anywhere like DOS.
Apple is one of the only huge companies to "invest in low-end offerings", as the article has put it and it's certainly paid off for them
Please tell me you're kidding ... or didn't realize there are many places, with lots of people, outside your fairly atypical one (admittedly very visible and giving voice to lots of vocal pundits with limited horizon)
Apple TV? They themselves called it not a long time ago "just a hobby" to dispel its poor performance on the market.
iPhone doesn't have even 2% of over 5 billion mobile subscribers. Android will be used ( unfortunately, in some regards) pretty much by everybody - even Asian manufacturers of white goods are on board. MediaTek, one of the biggest IC makers and the provider of inexpensive integrated solutions for Shanzhai mobile phones (and essentially blocked for some time by Qualcomm from joining Android consortium), is now releasing an integrated OEM Android solution. It will now have availability of so called "feature phones" (the totally dominating segment, so far; Nokia alone sells more of them than all smartphones combined, Samsung isn't far off / the successor to S5260 Star II might very well be an Android phone)
On average / ignoring very few atypical (but highly visible and with lots of loud pundits(*)) places, we all do drive Kia Rios, or the like. Don't project your local experiences on most of the world ((*)...as do them)