2) We won't have mass budget for that, not in "spin the craft and put the living quarters around the outside" way (radius must be large, otherwise Coriolis force and "gravity" changing with height is likely to result in massive nausea). Separating the craft into two tethered sections, and spinning them just en route, might be perhaps feasible (even if still adding mass of course). Perhaps.
What I see being pointed out by others, is false belief that people doing this research are morons...
While they are, in fact, closely associated with a space agency most experienced, by far, in long duration orbital stays. Being in a prime position to determine which effects don't depend much on microgravity (etc.), so can as well be tested in the discussed test.
Whywouldtheyneedsuchstunt? (with the second to last link - keep in mind those are person-days / Soyuz carried 2 or 3)
Maybe... just maybe... it's part of their ongoing research, with the focus on those aspects which were established by them already as largely independent of actual space travel effects, etc.
Russians are doing long-term microgravity (and generally space travel) human experiments for the last 3 decades, it would be my guess they don't see this Mars500 project as an all-encompassing one.
I figured you don't want to / it always suddenly gets harder when confronted with firsthand experiences of practical results of fundamentalist approach; how it crushes lives (it's easy to forget with how many it did so in the past)
But again, what about severe aneuploidy? Pentasomy, however rare it is in "humans"(?), seems easily able to account for 5% of disparity in carried genetic code (even if disparity of a different kind). What about genetic chimeras? (it's surprisingly common)
You can certainly be not exactly human even with quite human DNA - try asking anybody being disconnected from life support after determination of brain death, we deny them personhood quite routinely.
(OTOH, as far as we can tell, there doesn't seem to be anything about reality which would exclude eventual mind uploading / etc.; but since it's already settled / no human DNA = no person...)
It certainly would - and AFAIK at least some military transports do that, for this very reason. Unfortunately, commercial airlines have problems with whiny passengers - "oh, but I can't travel backwards, it doesn't feel right to me!"
Choosing to ignore "lesser people" does help with that.. (funnily enough, while relying on them with manufacturing; meanwhile some other manufacturers can have half of their dozen plants in the EU, and one even quite close to Cupertino) as would possible free-riding on cellular R&D, we have to wait how this one ends.
(but BTW they are not "the mobile phone manufacturer", that's something they also do)
Overall, it's a fascinating thing to me - slashdotters are generally very quick to voice their contempt of investors, traders, stock market, etc. Except when worshiping valuations... made by the very same people (who are blissfully unaware of what kind of monumental transformation is starting to happen to the world with 70+% - and rising - of its population already connected, typically for the first time; what kind of opportunities for investment will it bring, for one)
How many more people are supposed to die without the experience of DNF, eagerly awaited by them?
(really, think about it - while the average mortality rates of past DN3D players certainly aren't very high, a decade+ does add up; are there any demographers here, to estimate the number?)
...why Asians sometimes install ground straps on their cars (well, I've never seen anyone else do it, anyway.)
For some reason it was semi-common in Central Europe during the time when Comecon brands of cars dominated. After-market in many cases, but I believe it was factory installed in some (Dacia cars for example, IIRC), considering how common could it be among cars belonging to specific models.
There's this upcoming Boeing airliner made largely from composites (and earlier ones made from them to smaller degree, possibly enough to disrupt the "continuity" of Faraday their cages) - and I don't think it uses some drastically different avionics.
While the odds of a crash are minimal - if it's about to happen (and during takeoff and landing the timescales involved can be very short), you can drastically improve your odds if you pay attention.
Ideally, passengers shouldn't be distracted / "in their own world" (headphones) during takeoff or landing, when even a small delay can reduce the odds in case of an emergency.
Hypothetically... because from what I've seen recently, an old style (yup, compact cassette) Walkman tends to be quite openly accepted by cabin crew. Despite it being visibly a late model / with some microcontroller / perhaps spewing around more EMP than a cellphone in offline mode.
Out of over 5 billion mobile subscribers, those using iPhones certainly form less than 2% (looking at simple number of units made); perhaps closer to 1% (who knows how many are still in use)
"a more useful device, such as Box (from the Sci-Fi TV series on PBS)"? (looking at Wiki article and template table on PBS didn't help, list of their programming isn't really any more clear either)
Regarding Android - it looks like it will be really big (unfortunately, in some regards... I wouldn't mind a market with roughly equal shares of few players, towards what it trends now with browsers in few places, most spectacularly in Ukraine or Russia; alas, people generally seem to crave for clear winners - perhaps in anticipation of network effects, perhaps it's our primitive nature / desire to "be on the side of the winner"...).
MediaTek (one of the largest IC providers, 2nd for mobile phone solutions, enabler of inexpensive Shanzhai phones, basically blocked by Qualcomm from joining OHA for some time) is releasing an OEM solution for Android. Something which might finally make so called "feature phones" not so dominating. Might form, one way or another, a successor of current LG Cookie or Samsung Star handsets. Heck, and there is Open Embedded Software Foundation, a coalition of mostly Asian companies focused on utilizing Android in publicly accessible appliances, white goods, all kinds of consumer and business user electronics, car systems, healthcare products... roughly speaking, in everything.
I think you missed the point how they did, in fact, phase out the use of fire to a very large degree. Again, how many households depending on it have you seen lately?
So "the lesser people in lesser places don't matter when discussing market share", glad you cleared that up. England and Germany is not outside the scope of atypical markets in question BTW... (did you even look at those Opera Mini stats?)
And don't be tense. Topic of this this discussion is certainly not two American products. I'd say it's more about Linux than Windows, in fact. And most ARM tablets would have Chinese manufacturers / just like HTC and Samsung pretty much grabbed the phone Android market.
The point I'm making that you are missing, is how iPad was placed outside what most of the world would consider as acceptable price (ridiculous premiums on top of your normal prices, a typical thing in non-core Apple markets, don't help). As far as people who will really determine market share are concerned, the tablet contenders to the throne haven't yet arrived.
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AC covered 1)...
2) We won't have mass budget for that, not in "spin the craft and put the living quarters around the outside" way (radius must be large, otherwise Coriolis force and "gravity" changing with height is likely to result in massive nausea). Separating the craft into two tethered sections, and spinning them just en route, might be perhaps feasible (even if still adding mass of course). Perhaps.
What I see being pointed out by others, is false belief that people doing this research are morons...
While they are, in fact, closely associated with a space agency most experienced, by far, in long duration orbital stays. Being in a prime position to determine which effects don't depend much on microgravity (etc.), so can as well be tested in the discussed test.
Why would they need such stunt? (with the second to last link - keep in mind those are person-days / Soyuz carried 2 or 3)
Maybe... just maybe... it's part of their ongoing research, with the focus on those aspects which were established by them already as largely independent of actual space travel effects, etc.
Russians are doing long-term microgravity (and generally space travel) human experiments for the last 3 decades, it would be my guess they don't see this Mars500 project as an all-encompassing one.
Continue?...
I figured you don't want to / it always suddenly gets harder when confronted with firsthand experiences of practical results of fundamentalist approach; how it crushes lives (it's easy to forget with how many it did so in the past)
But again, what about severe aneuploidy? Pentasomy, however rare it is in "humans"(?), seems easily able to account for 5% of disparity in carried genetic code (even if disparity of a different kind). What about genetic chimeras? (it's surprisingly common)
You can certainly be not exactly human even with quite human DNA - try asking anybody being disconnected from life support after determination of brain death, we deny them personhood quite routinely.
(OTOH, as far as we can tell, there doesn't seem to be anything about reality which would exclude eventual mind uploading / etc.; but since it's already settled / no human DNA = no person...)
It certainly would - and AFAIK at least some military transports do that, for this very reason. Unfortunately, commercial airlines have problems with whiny passengers - "oh, but I can't travel backwards, it doesn't feel right to me!"
Choosing to ignore "lesser people" does help with that.. (funnily enough, while relying on them with manufacturing; meanwhile some other manufacturers can have half of their dozen plants in the EU, and one even quite close to Cupertino) as would possible free-riding on cellular R&D, we have to wait how this one ends.
(but BTW they are not "the mobile phone manufacturer", that's something they also do)
Overall, it's a fascinating thing to me - slashdotters are generally very quick to voice their contempt of investors, traders, stock market, etc. ... made by the very same people (who are blissfully unaware of what kind of monumental transformation is starting to happen to the world with 70+% - and rising - of its population already connected, typically for the first time; what kind of opportunities for investment will it bring, for one)
Except when worshiping valuations
How many more people are supposed to die without the experience of DNF, eagerly awaited by them?
(really, think about it - while the average mortality rates of past DN3D players certainly aren't very high, a decade+ does add up; are there any demographers here, to estimate the number?)
Ban texting, bring back boomboxes!
...why Asians sometimes install ground straps on their cars (well, I've never seen anyone else do it, anyway.)
For some reason it was semi-common in Central Europe during the time when Comecon brands of cars dominated. After-market in many cases, but I believe it was factory installed in some (Dacia cars for example, IIRC), considering how common could it be among cars belonging to specific models.
There's this upcoming Boeing airliner made largely from composites (and earlier ones made from them to smaller degree, possibly enough to disrupt the "continuity" of Faraday their cages) - and I don't think it uses some drastically different avionics.
I get (and am somewhat sympathetic to) the "it's my right" argument...
...while being on-board a private property?
Those of us at the pointy end of the aircraft probably died in the impact.
But I thought "every seat is equally safe"? ;)
While the odds of a crash are minimal - if it's about to happen (and during takeoff and landing the timescales involved can be very short), you can drastically improve your odds if you pay attention.
Ideally, passengers shouldn't be distracted / "in their own world" (headphones) during takeoff or landing, when even a small delay can reduce the odds in case of an emergency.
Hypothetically... because from what I've seen recently, an old style (yup, compact cassette) Walkman tends to be quite openly accepted by cabin crew. Despite it being visibly a late model / with some microcontroller / perhaps spewing around more EMP than a cellphone in offline mode.
Every GSM phone I'm decently familiar with (including very basic ones) has the option of ignoring roaming requests / invitations...
Does it make up for the wilderness that surrounds it?
Out of over 5 billion mobile subscribers, those using iPhones certainly form less than 2% (looking at simple number of units made); perhaps closer to 1% (who knows how many are still in use)
In 200 years we might have telescopes good enough to get decent pictures.
We can be pretty sure they weren't spoken with English pronunciation.
"a more useful device, such as Box (from the Sci-Fi TV series on PBS)"? (looking at Wiki article and template table on PBS didn't help, list of their programming isn't really any more clear either)
Regarding Android - it looks like it will be really big (unfortunately, in some regards... I wouldn't mind a market with roughly equal shares of few players, towards what it trends now with browsers in few places, most spectacularly in Ukraine or Russia; alas, people generally seem to crave for clear winners - perhaps in anticipation of network effects, perhaps it's our primitive nature / desire to "be on the side of the winner"...).
MediaTek (one of the largest IC providers, 2nd for mobile phone solutions, enabler of inexpensive Shanzhai phones, basically blocked by Qualcomm from joining OHA for some time) is releasing an OEM solution for Android. Something which might finally make so called "feature phones" not so dominating. Might form, one way or another, a successor of current LG Cookie or Samsung Star handsets. Heck, and there is Open Embedded Software Foundation, a coalition of mostly Asian companies focused on utilizing Android in publicly accessible appliances, white goods, all kinds of consumer and business user electronics, car systems, healthcare products ... roughly speaking, in everything.
I think you missed the point how they did, in fact, phase out the use of fire to a very large degree. Again, how many households depending on it have you seen lately?
So "the lesser people in lesser places don't matter when discussing market share", glad you cleared that up. England and Germany is not outside the scope of atypical markets in question BTW... (did you even look at those Opera Mini stats?)
And don't be tense. Topic of this this discussion is certainly not two American products. I'd say it's more about Linux than Windows, in fact. And most ARM tablets would have Chinese manufacturers / just like HTC and Samsung pretty much grabbed the phone Android market.
The point I'm making that you are missing, is how iPad was placed outside what most of the world would consider as acceptable price (ridiculous premiums on top of your normal prices, a typical thing in non-core Apple markets, don't help). As far as people who will really determine market share are concerned, the tablet contenders to the throne haven't yet arrived.