Here we go with the hyperbole. So a little 'clicky-click-click' in a classroom is akin to a Who concert to you? Nice logic there...can you try and exagerate a bit more next time?
I'm sorry, even in an operating room there are whirs, buzzes, beeps, pages going off over the hospital speakers, and other 'distractions' One could hardly say it is a silent and distractionless environment.
Yes the classroom is a controled environment, like an operating room, but you're trying to tell me a laptop is so distracting as to prevent or hinder someone from learning? Please. If a person is that sensitive to things around them, then yes, I do see them having massive problems working in the real world
>> If laptops were not an ENORMOUS distraction in the classroom, I would not be agreeing with this professor's position. Your "right" to use whatever tool you want ends at the point where it becomes detrimental to other students. They're also "paying customers," right?
Hmmm. Let's see, we are living in a world that is becoming more and more 'distracting' every minute. From needing to remember multiple passwords and PINS, to cell phones going off, to having email and wireless access to pretty much anything under the sun on your person 24/7, explain to me how laptops are all that 'distracting', and if they are why this is a bad thing.
We need to be able to function and learn in an environment which is full of distractions, because that's where technology and the world is headed right now. If you can't teach because the student doesn't make eye contact with you, or if you can't learn because of the 'ticky tack' sound of a keyboard next to you, good luck coping in the real world. I'm not buying into the agrument that laptops are too distracting. It's not like there's a clown running around honking an air horn every few minutes.
Hmm, so by your logic, if I go out and buy a copy of Mandrake or SUSE, I now own the code and can do anything I want with it and the GPL is null and void cause I own the property the code is stored on?
Absolutely. You buy a router to route packets. Period. Not decide which web pages you should see.
If Belkin wanted to make it easier for users to be aware of product updates or other things they sell, either make a stupid little application the user can install that will do this (i.e. update agent), or place a link to their homepage from within the web based admin of the router...or even better yet, just place a g*ddamn shortcut to the webpage on the user desktop as part of the install process.
Yes I know you don't need software to install a router...but this is a consumer product, and consumers DO need software to install a router.
I imagine this all deals with if we are going to stick only to the movies or to the books.
-Why is it that as soon as Frodo puts on the ring Sauron and the wraiths know where he is, but when Bilbo and Gollum wore the ring they didn't know?
In the books of course, Sauron does NOT see frodo as soon as he puts on the ring, rather the wearer becomes aware that something is searchign for him, and the longer he keeps it on, the more likely he'll be found.
The movie needed to make this a bit more 'severe' to show why it's dangerous to put the ring on, otherwise people would want to know why frodo doesn;t just stay invisible the whole time.
In the books 17 years had passed after Bilbo gave up the ring. Sauron was still too weak when Bilbo and Gollum had the ring to detect it's use. In the movie, this is accelerated and I admit ambiguous. Part of the problem with adapting books to film.
in FOTR Saruman turns evil, he gets a bunch of orcs and starts cutting down trees. But when Gandalf shows up to talk to Saruman and get advice, he is completely taken by surprise by Saruman's change of heart. Didn't he notice all the orcs and tree stumps outside of Orthanc?
Hmmmm did you actually *watch* the movie? When Gandalf visits Saruman he hasn't started to chop down trees or allow his orcs to roam free yet. He did not know the ring had been found. Rather he was secretly looking for it himself. Meanwhile, knowing any info on it would come to him since he was known to know the most about the ring, he kept up the guise of a good wizard. Only after gandalf tells him it's been found does he openly let the orcs out and start his scortched earth policy.
Speaking of Gandalf's weed smoking, is that why it took him so freaking long to figure out that Bilbo's ring was the "one ring"? What was it, about 50 years he had to figure it out?
Gandalf was never an expert on the one ring. Saruman was the one considered the expert in Ring lore. The ring had been presumed lost at the bottom of the Anduin river. Why should he thing a magic ring Bilbo found in the mountains would be the one ring? Besides, Gandalf didn;t live in the shire either. He only visited it, and infrequently at that. Only after time had passes and he began to notice strange things about Bilbo did he start to wonder. Even then he wasn't sure. Not until he went to Minas Tirith and found Isildurs accoutn fo the ring, did he even have the knowlege to be able to determine if it was the one ring.
Why is it that no one knows that the ring is "Isuldur's Bane"? We know that Elrond knew, and Aragorn seems to know and we also know that Isuldur wrote about the ring. But it's apparently a huge suprise to Boromir, Farimir, and the other dudes from Gondor. Even Gandalf doesn't know at first.
I not sure I even understand this question.
Isildur died over 2000 years ago. The ring passed out of knowlege. It wasn't something that was taught in gradeschool all throughout middle earth. It became legend and myth. Boromir heard the term 'Isildurs bane' from a dream he had. There's no reason he would just KNOW what that was. The ring had been all but forgotten by all except the very wise (elves and wizards, etc)
-Why is it that the Witch-king is invincible to men, but females and hobbits can kick his ass?
It's never said he's invicible. A seer predicted he would not die by the hand of man. That is quite different than being invicicble.
The eagles: Why not get one of those big eagles to fly Frodo to Mordor, drop the ring into the fire, and leave? It would have saved everyone a lot of grief. Yeah, some people say Sauron would have seen the eagle coming. But it worked for Gandalf to leave Orthanc, and it worked to pick up the hobbits at the end of ROTK. It would have worked to take the ring to Mordor too.
Sauron would have seen the eagles coming. Nazgul were patrolling the skys of mordor and Mount doom is quite a bit into the heart of the country. No easy task to sneak an e
I think one of the largest reasons LotR still resonates today and is considered a classic is due to Tolkiens view on Allegory.
He hated it, and took great pains to be sure LotR wasn't one. He prefered, what he called, 'applicability'.
He felt that in allegory, the meaning or message in the story, lay in the determined domination of the author, that it's message was being shoved down your throat so to speak.
While with applicabililty, the power to interperet the message remained with the reader.
This is why even after 50 years LotR continues to remain relevant today. Each new generation finds meaning within it that they can apply to their world and experiences. Allegories tend to become outdated.
So, while LotR may not have alot of clear messages or philosophies on it's surface or to the casual watcher or reader, once you delve into it, the deeper you go the more apparent they are.
Good versus evil, The nature of evil and good, Fate and freewill, Pity and mercy, the nature of hope, Environmentalism vs industry, the power of the self vs corruption, and even the nature of power itself.
Example: Tom Bombidil is not in the movies, but in the books, he is not affected by the ring...it has no power over him. Why? Because he has no interest in power...no interest in bending the wills of others. The ring is tool that amplifies a persons ability to control others, if one has no desire for power, the ring has no effect on them. Look at Samwise. The argument could be made that the ring affects him less than any other character in the books. He knows who he is and his place in the world. In the RotK he will be tempted by the ring, but see through it's ruse and refuse it's offer. Without Sam though, Frodo would never have made it to mount doom. In essence by Sam refusing the temptation of power from the ring, he is fundemental in accomlishing a task that only the most powerfull would be thought of as having a chance to do.
That is applicability, Tolkien isn't TELLING me that's his view on power, rather that's how I am interpreting a possible message from the story. Others may argue are see it differently, but that is one reason why I think LotR should be considered a classic and why so much 'hoopla' is being made over it.
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Here we go with the hyperbole. So a little 'clicky-click-click' in a classroom is akin to a Who concert to you? Nice logic there...can you try and exagerate a bit more next time? I'm sorry, even in an operating room there are whirs, buzzes, beeps, pages going off over the hospital speakers, and other 'distractions' One could hardly say it is a silent and distractionless environment. Yes the classroom is a controled environment, like an operating room, but you're trying to tell me a laptop is so distracting as to prevent or hinder someone from learning? Please. If a person is that sensitive to things around them, then yes, I do see them having massive problems working in the real world
>> If laptops were not an ENORMOUS distraction in the classroom, I would not be agreeing with this professor's position. Your "right" to use whatever tool you want ends at the point where it becomes detrimental to other students. They're also "paying customers," right?
Hmmm. Let's see, we are living in a world that is becoming more and more 'distracting' every minute. From needing to remember multiple passwords and PINS, to cell phones going off, to having email and wireless access to pretty much anything under the sun on your person 24/7, explain to me how laptops are all that 'distracting', and if they are why this is a bad thing.
We need to be able to function and learn in an environment which is full of distractions, because that's where technology and the world is headed right now. If you can't teach because the student doesn't make eye contact with you, or if you can't learn because of the 'ticky tack' sound of a keyboard next to you, good luck coping in the real world. I'm not buying into the agrument that laptops are too distracting. It's not like there's a clown running around honking an air horn every few minutes.
Hmm, so by your logic, if I go out and buy a copy of Mandrake or SUSE, I now own the code and can do anything I want with it and the GPL is null and void cause I own the property the code is stored on?
Absolutely. You buy a router to route packets. Period. Not decide which web pages you should see.
If Belkin wanted to make it easier for users to be aware of product updates or other things they sell, either make a stupid little application the user can install that will do this (i.e. update agent), or place a link to their homepage from within the web based admin of the router...or even better yet, just place a g*ddamn shortcut to the webpage on the user desktop as part of the install process.
Yes I know you don't need software to install a router...but this is a consumer product, and consumers DO need software to install a router.
I imagine this all deals with if we are going to stick only to the movies or to the books.
-Why is it that as soon as Frodo puts on the ring Sauron and the wraiths know where he is, but when Bilbo and Gollum wore the ring they didn't know?
In the books of course, Sauron does NOT see frodo as soon as he puts on the ring, rather the wearer becomes aware that something is searchign for him, and the longer he keeps it on, the more likely he'll be found.
The movie needed to make this a bit more 'severe' to show why it's dangerous to put the ring on, otherwise people would want to know why frodo doesn;t just stay invisible the whole time.
In the books 17 years had passed after Bilbo gave up the ring. Sauron was still too weak when Bilbo and Gollum had the ring to detect it's use. In the movie, this is accelerated and I admit ambiguous. Part of the problem with adapting books to film.
in FOTR Saruman turns evil, he gets a bunch of orcs and starts cutting down trees. But when Gandalf shows up to talk to Saruman and get advice, he is completely taken by surprise by Saruman's change of heart. Didn't he notice all the orcs and tree stumps outside of Orthanc?
Hmmmm did you actually *watch* the movie? When Gandalf visits Saruman he hasn't started to chop down trees or allow his orcs to roam free yet. He did not know the ring had been found. Rather he was secretly looking for it himself. Meanwhile, knowing any info on it would come to him since he was known to know the most about the ring, he kept up the guise of a good wizard. Only after gandalf tells him it's been found does he openly let the orcs out and start his scortched earth policy.
Speaking of Gandalf's weed smoking, is that why it took him so freaking long to figure out that Bilbo's ring was the "one ring"? What was it, about 50 years he had to figure it out?
Gandalf was never an expert on the one ring. Saruman was the one considered the expert in Ring lore. The ring had been presumed lost at the bottom of the Anduin river. Why should he thing a magic ring Bilbo found in the mountains would be the one ring? Besides, Gandalf didn;t live in the shire either. He only visited it, and infrequently at that. Only after time had passes and he began to notice strange things about Bilbo did he start to wonder. Even then he wasn't sure. Not until he went to Minas Tirith and found Isildurs accoutn fo the ring, did he even have the knowlege to be able to determine if it was the one ring.
Why is it that no one knows that the ring is "Isuldur's Bane"? We know that Elrond knew, and Aragorn seems to know and we also know that Isuldur wrote about the ring. But it's apparently a huge suprise to Boromir, Farimir, and the other dudes from Gondor. Even Gandalf doesn't know at first.
I not sure I even understand this question.
Isildur died over 2000 years ago. The ring passed out of knowlege. It wasn't something that was taught in gradeschool all throughout middle earth. It became legend and myth. Boromir heard the term 'Isildurs bane' from a dream he had. There's no reason he would just KNOW what that was. The ring had been all but forgotten by all except the very wise (elves and wizards, etc)
-Why is it that the Witch-king is invincible to men, but females and hobbits can kick his ass?
It's never said he's invicible. A seer predicted he would not die by the hand of man. That is quite different than being invicicble.
The eagles: Why not get one of those big eagles to fly Frodo to Mordor, drop the ring into the fire, and leave? It would have saved everyone a lot of grief. Yeah, some people say Sauron would have seen the eagle coming. But it worked for Gandalf to leave Orthanc, and it worked to pick up the hobbits at the end of ROTK. It would have worked to take the ring to Mordor too.
Sauron would have seen the eagles coming. Nazgul were patrolling the skys of mordor and Mount doom is quite a bit into the heart of the country. No easy task to sneak an e
I think one of the largest reasons LotR still resonates today and is considered a classic is due to Tolkiens view on Allegory.
He hated it, and took great pains to be sure LotR wasn't one. He prefered, what he called, 'applicability'.
He felt that in allegory, the meaning or message in the story, lay in the determined domination of the author, that it's message was being shoved down your throat so to speak.
While with applicabililty, the power to interperet the message remained with the reader.
This is why even after 50 years LotR continues to remain relevant today. Each new generation finds meaning within it that they can apply to their world and experiences. Allegories tend to become outdated.
So, while LotR may not have alot of clear messages or philosophies on it's surface or to the casual watcher or reader, once you delve into it, the deeper you go the more apparent they are.
Good versus evil, The nature of evil and good, Fate and freewill, Pity and mercy, the nature of hope, Environmentalism vs industry, the power of the self vs corruption, and even the nature of power itself.
Example: Tom Bombidil is not in the movies, but in the books, he is not affected by the ring...it has no power over him. Why? Because he has no interest in power...no interest in bending the wills of others. The ring is tool that amplifies a persons ability to control others, if one has no desire for power, the ring has no effect on them. Look at Samwise. The argument could be made that the ring affects him less than any other character in the books. He knows who he is and his place in the world. In the RotK he will be tempted by the ring, but see through it's ruse and refuse it's offer. Without Sam though, Frodo would never have made it to mount doom. In essence by Sam refusing the temptation of power from the ring, he is fundemental in accomlishing a task that only the most powerfull would be thought of as having a chance to do.
That is applicability, Tolkien isn't TELLING me that's his view on power, rather that's how I am interpreting a possible message from the story. Others may argue are see it differently, but that is one reason why I think LotR should be considered a classic and why so much 'hoopla' is being made over it.