Yep. Worked real well for Pedro Obregon in Houston.
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Most people don't even rip up their credit card receipts. I doubt they're interested or aware of what "wipe the drive" means. "Should I do it with a mild detergent and a lint free cloth?"
This is not the first time I've seen this
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Lots of spyware requires a net connection to uninstall. This is just more spyware. It won't be long before Windows itself requires a net connection to run. WGA is mighty close to that. Claria(or whatever they call themselves now) is alive and well. People who buy new machines won't notice and won't care. It's all good news for the phisherman...who will be hanging out at your local landfill where your machine will end up when you get tired of waiting ten minutes for it to finish booting up. For now the best way to protect your system is to use a live CD.
No, what I am saying is, don't expect any respect for the law while the profit margins are so high and so selectively enforced. The kind of law being promoted would only push the profits even higher, enticing more people to give it a try, especially from overseas. And the respect will reach new lows as long as corporations and government are allowed to zombify the machines and not get so much as a slap on the wrist. I don't know about you, but I don't take too kindly to such double standards. Like the heading of this thread says, Follow the money. You might scare away the script kiddies, but the pros will only get better.
Whoa! You took that way too seriously:-) I don't remember saying anything about forcing anybody to do anything. It would be cool if Microsoft convinced him to lay a couple of full length tracks on us. And maybe put a page or two of blotter in the manual. Hmmm...Microdot Windows. That would definitely sell.
along with mandatory broadcast flags. Both of which are nuts and are really designed to raise the entry fee. The RIAA will get their pound of flesh one way or another. We already subsidize that bunch with the tax on blank recording material.
That means the bank is responsible for correctly identifying the owner of the house. If they are not sufficiently careful to correctly identify the real owner of the property, they are negligent.
Thank you for bringing up a point that seems to go over most peoples' heads.
You're joking, right? When the telcos own the cable companies and vice versa, can you show me where the competition is? Where I live the cable company gets its internet from the telephone company. I would wager that many of you live under the same circumstances. When "competing" companies are owned by the same group of people, I can guarantee that there is no competition. Duopolies are as phoney as a three dollar bill. They exist to provide an illusion of competition. You're right about wireless, but it will have to be totally wireless all the way to the machine on campus, where the good servers are.
I find that I always end up saying things that have been said thousands of times, so I'l basically leave it alone. Suffice it to say I've already repeated what you said in your post about might makes right, blah, blah, blah. And as it turns out, since we are just as natural as nature itself, we might not have a choice as to how to act. We do repeat history roughly every or every other generation. That is easy to see. But I do insist that we do have a solution. It's that we shouldn't blindly accept what we are being told as we have done throughout all of time. We must question authority if we are to progress. The net, with all its copyright violations is helping to make that a little easier. Yes, we do have something that we never had, and that's the instant communications and virtually instant travel where you can be dropped anywhere on the planet in less than 24 hours, but for some reason it still takes months to get permission. The regulations we create are little more than an attempt to make it as slow as the pony express. And unfortunately most everybody accepts it without question. I will always believe that it's the lawbreakers who brought us the freedoms we enjoy today. And many of today's lawbreakers will bring us greater freedoms tomorrow. And now I'm off to watch the kindergardener's version of quantum mechanics "What the bleep do you know?" so I can learn which end of the screwdriver I should hit. Thanks for the good discussion.
However, what it would mean is that those who were willing and able to use force to get what they want, would do so.
You don't think we have that now? Life inside the empire might be nice for everybody, but in general that's precisely how the world still works today. Strong nations rob the weak ones. Nothing has changed. Go visit some of those weak places and you will see a true wayback machine, going back thousands of years.
At best, we would be looking at serfdom for the masses, working pots of land that "belonged" to the local lord...
Like the corporate farms fed by Monsanto that are running same family farms into the ground. You are saying nothing new. We just happen to be on the right end of the big stick. We still live in a world of might makes right. As long as we are one of the mighty, all is well.
If we forget or ignore history, we are doomed to repeat it.
What do you mean "if"? We are doing just that.
I am interestd in protecting those people who are out here on the internet, but just do not KNOW enough to properly protect themselves.
Then educate and advice them. After that let them live or die by the coices they make. If they refuse to follow your advice, them let them rot. They have been warned. What we're talking about here after they do recieve the advice is a grand version of battered wife syndrome.
Before we had any of the convienences you loathe...
I don't loath convenience. I do question as to how it comes about. If you have to steal to get those conveniences then something is horribly wrong.
Oh my, where have I heard that brfore? We must act now! Doesn't matter if we do the wrong thing and make the problem worse. We must do something! There should be a law... It turns out we have a solution now. Just watch what would happen if everyone took their money out of the banks, or they quit using Pay Pal, or their credit cards, automobiles, etc. You would see virtually instant results. But no, it's "give me convenience or give me death". The addiction is so overwhelming that a suitable solution will never happen, not while the present situation is so profitable. But your exquisite tunnel vision of the hear and now completely blinds you to future consequences and you are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past as has been happening throughout history. And we continue to feed the authoritarian monster. Your wish to scratch a minor itch has turned it into an infected, festering, cancerous open wound. I guarantee you that inaction is better than the wrong action. But with life being so short you will never see the results. Your grandkids will. Your responses indicate to me that you're more concerned in protecting the interests of business and the authorities that protect it, with some kind of wierd idea that if the corporations fail, society will crumble. Essential freedoms of the individual just don't seem to matter to you as long as the electrodes aren't attached to your nuts. Well, sometimes you just might have to "reformat". Erase everything and start with a clean slate. I bet it wouldn't have to even be that painful. But you all to are too frightened of uncertainty. Well guess what? Food actually does grow on trees. Without our help believe it or not. Water falls freely from the skies, and we are capable of transporting anywhere we want. We don't need Pay Pal or any other "pal" to survive. We certainly don't need copyright to live well. These things exist for the benefit of a select few, and for the conveience of many. So I could give a damn what happens to them in the effort to make our lives easier. All these rules you want to impose upon us is for their benefit, not ours. And as the hypocrisy of our great leaders becomes ever more obvious(which is the real reason for this mad desire to control the net), you will find that the future is indeed very bleak. Respect for law, and for people in general for that matter, is reaching a new low and getting lower every day. The anger is rising all over, and there will be trouble. You can bet on it. Your desire for the iron fist will only make things worse.
...we need people with their feet firmly planted on the ground attacking the current issues.
Yes, we need the people who provide nothing but war and destruction to give us what we want. That's what the people you support have given us so far....for thousands of years that's what they have given us. It's time time to throw those people out into the ocean to drown. Now is the time for something completely different. Or we will be the ones that are drowning. The tought that doing what we have been doing for millennia will bring different results this time around is indeed ludicrous. It's no different from the hangover victim screaming, "I promise, Lord, I'll never have another drink. And this time I mean it". You just can't admit failure.
Yes, I am, and I always will. They failed to take proper precautions. Like I said, we must use new, as yet invented methods of verification. We can speed that up if we take take charge and demand it. We are not doing that. So we continue on with 17th century ways because it's more convenient...and as it turns more profitable. Take the profit away from lax security and it will become a little bit better.
You might see Copyright as toothless.
I never said it was toothless. It has shown to be anything but. And individual liberties(considered an obscenity in "today's post 9/11" hysteria) are suffering because of it. It is well protected...by atomic bombs if desired. I'm saying it's evil. Evidence of this is quite plentiful. People with more resources than you can quite easily take away a copyright. FM radio is one of the more well known examples.
The hair on my head is mine until I say it isn't. Not until YOU say it isn't.
Not if it falls on my floor. Unless you pick it up before I do. I can do what I want with it, including making a clone of you. And it is the state's/corporation's responsibility to make sure it's a clone, not yours, not mine. I will not permit you, or anybody else to lay that on me. So look out, as OJ would say. The clones could already be out there. And try to make a tiny effort to think "out of the box", to coin an old cliche. You just might see that suppression isn't necessary. It's merely of convenience for the lazy.
Phishers do not deal with security...OOPS, it was YOUR fault for actually buying something....
Did I say anything remotely like that? You're not even making the feeblest effort to understand what I'm saying. I said security should be the institution's problem. They are the weak link. They are the ones who fail to verify the veracity of the info much less where it's coming from. They simply drop a bolt into the hasp where a padlock is needed. They are the ones who make phishing so easy and profitable. The phishers are simply exploiting that. And remember, with fraud, it' takes two.
If I grabbed your info from your trash, it's your fault, right?
Fascinating twist on the argument. Once I discard my trash, it's out of my control. You can't seem to grasp that info by itself shouldn't have that kind of power. Whatever I leave in my trash should be of no consequence to me. It is a weak system that allows the damage, not the access to info.
You do not have the right to rebroadcast it without permission.
Permission is not yours to give. Once you "discard" your info to the net, it is indeed in the public domain. Copyright steals(ok borrows) from that domain. Copyright violations take absolutely, positively nothing but the privilege of exclusivity, granted by powers that will take it away should there ever be a worldwide epiphany. The hair on your head is only your to control while it remains attached. The second it falls out, it's ours for the taking. It's quite clear that you can't let go of this 17th century thinking that has no place in the 21st century world. You refuse to understand that it's time for a complete re-evaluation of how we interact with each other, and you all say nothing that can justify maintaining doing things the same way we always have. It's a form of laziness that is keeping us in technological dark ages. It's why we still move around in kerosene burning jalopies instead of self powered maglevs or something similar. It disallows the ability to build on the works of others. The wheel has to be constantly re-invented or reverse engineered. It's why our computers remain such kludges and run so slowly.
So I will leave you to ponder the words of a great genius:
"Bow tie daddy dontcha blow your top Everything's under control Bow tie daddy dontcha blow your top 'Cause you think you're gettin' too old Don't try to do no thinkin' Just go on with your drinkin' Just have your fun, you old son of a gun Then drive home in your Lincoln"
Ooohhhh....that Robert Fripp. Oh well, as they say, "If you remember the 60s, you weren't there." So now we get to hear "Court of the Crimson King" every time we start windows? Very nostalgic. I suppose when you fire up Outlook, we'll get to hear "Heeeyyy, Mr. Postman..." Excel could bring up Tom Lehrer's "New Math". Personally, I think they should use the Beatles "Chains...my baby's got me locked up in chains..."
Phishing is only an issue due to ineffective(and I believe intentionally) authentification employed by the financial institutions. And now we use that scam to suppress the flow. Make no mistake, it's the feeble security methods that make phishing so profitable, not the exposure of your information. If you reveal the info to anybody, it's no longer exclusively yours. Make the trustholders trustworthy. Weak, selectively enforced laws will never cut the mustard, as we are witnessing today.
...and the beggar can keep bugging you as long as he likes.
As long as he doesn't physically assault you, you should have no recourse. Copyright violations do not relate to phsical assault and removal of your physical property that would deny you the use of that property. Copyright violation is nothing more than the denial of a special privilege granted by the government. A privilege that that been abused for far too long.
If I post your credit card and bank information on a forum site, does that mean it is now public domain and you have no protection?
If anything bad comes from it, it only means that the banks employ weak security. That information by itself should mean nothing. Complain to the financial institutions, not the person who posts it. Make it the bank's problem and it will go away. Don't use their services until they make it secure without making it unduly inconvenient for the customer. The silly passwords and 20 minute waits for failed logins do nothing for security. Make financial security the institution's responsibility instead of suppressing the flow of information. And furthermore, you know what you can do with your copyrights. If you don't want people to use your photos keep them to yourself. If you don't want your information divulged, then don't reveal it to anybody.
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Oops. Now I know why people bitch about spelling mistakes.
Yep. Worked real well for Pedro Obregon in Houston.
Most people don't even rip up their credit card receipts. I doubt they're interested or aware of what "wipe the drive" means. "Should I do it with a mild detergent and a lint free cloth?"
Lots of spyware requires a net connection to uninstall. This is just more spyware. It won't be long before Windows itself requires a net connection to run. WGA is mighty close to that. Claria(or whatever they call themselves now) is alive and well. People who buy new machines won't notice and won't care. It's all good news for the phisherman...who will be hanging out at your local landfill where your machine will end up when you get tired of waiting ten minutes for it to finish booting up. For now the best way to protect your system is to use a live CD.
No, what I am saying is, don't expect any respect for the law while the profit margins are so high and so selectively enforced. The kind of law being promoted would only push the profits even higher, enticing more people to give it a try, especially from overseas. And the respect will reach new lows as long as corporations and government are allowed to zombify the machines and not get so much as a slap on the wrist. I don't know about you, but I don't take too kindly to such double standards. Like the heading of this thread says, Follow the money. You might scare away the script kiddies, but the pros will only get better.
Make it illegal to have gains from hijacked computers.
Yeah! And they should make it illegal to have gains from selling liquor...no wait. I mean cocaine. Especially bad cocaine. Yeah that's it.
Whoa! You took that way too seriously :-) I don't remember saying anything about forcing anybody to do anything. It would be cool if Microsoft convinced him to lay a couple of full length tracks on us. And maybe put a page or two of blotter in the manual. Hmmm...Microdot Windows. That would definitely sell.
You mean it wasn't Ken Kesey? Bummer, man.
along with mandatory broadcast flags. Both of which are nuts and are really designed to raise the entry fee. The RIAA will get their pound of flesh one way or another. We already subsidize that bunch with the tax on blank recording material.
If MySpace's music gig turns into a big joke because it's bombarded by crap...
I believe the RIAA won't want to lose its monopoly on that.
Navigation through a virtual cell with a computer? emphasis mine
Last one to the patent office is a rotten egg!
That means the bank is responsible for correctly identifying the owner of the house. If they are not sufficiently careful to correctly identify the real owner of the property, they are negligent.
Thank you for bringing up a point that seems to go over most peoples' heads.
But the competition is still there.
You're joking, right? When the telcos own the cable companies and vice versa, can you show me where the competition is? Where I live the cable company gets its internet from the telephone company. I would wager that many of you live under the same circumstances. When "competing" companies are owned by the same group of people, I can guarantee that there is no competition. Duopolies are as phoney as a three dollar bill. They exist to provide an illusion of competition. You're right about wireless, but it will have to be totally wireless all the way to the machine on campus, where the good servers are.
Part deux...or more likely a lot of repetition
I find that I always end up saying things that have been said thousands of times, so I'l basically leave it alone. Suffice it to say I've already repeated what you said in your post about might makes right, blah, blah, blah. And as it turns out, since we are just as natural as nature itself, we might not have a choice as to how to act. We do repeat history roughly every or every other generation. That is easy to see. But I do insist that we do have a solution. It's that we shouldn't blindly accept what we are being told as we have done throughout all of time. We must question authority if we are to progress. The net, with all its copyright violations is helping to make that a little easier. Yes, we do have something that we never had, and that's the instant communications and virtually instant travel where you can be dropped anywhere on the planet in less than 24 hours, but for some reason it still takes months to get permission. The regulations we create are little more than an attempt to make it as slow as the pony express. And unfortunately most everybody accepts it without question. I will always believe that it's the lawbreakers who brought us the freedoms we enjoy today. And many of today's lawbreakers will bring us greater freedoms tomorrow. And now I'm off to watch the kindergardener's version of quantum mechanics "What the bleep do you know?" so I can learn which end of the screwdriver I should hit. Thanks for the good discussion.
However, what it would mean is that those who were willing and able to use force to get what they want, would do so.
You don't think we have that now? Life inside the empire might be nice for everybody, but in general that's precisely how the world still works today. Strong nations rob the weak ones. Nothing has changed. Go visit some of those weak places and you will see a true wayback machine, going back thousands of years.
At best, we would be looking at serfdom for the masses, working pots of land that "belonged" to the local lord...
Like the corporate farms fed by Monsanto that are running same family farms into the ground. You are saying nothing new. We just happen to be on the right end of the big stick. We still live in a world of might makes right. As long as we are one of the mighty, all is well.
If we forget or ignore history, we are doomed to repeat it.
What do you mean "if"? We are doing just that.
I am interestd in protecting those people who are out here on the internet, but just do not KNOW enough to properly protect themselves.
Then educate and advice them. After that let them live or die by the coices they make. If they refuse to follow your advice, them let them rot. They have been warned. What we're talking about here after they do recieve the advice is a grand version of battered wife syndrome.
Before we had any of the convienences you loathe...
I don't loath convenience. I do question as to how it comes about. If you have to steal to get those conveniences then something is horribly wrong.
I'm being pushed out the door. To be continued...
We need a solution now.
...we need people with their feet firmly planted on the ground attacking the current issues.
Oh my, where have I heard that brfore? We must act now! Doesn't matter if we do the wrong thing and make the problem worse. We must do something! There should be a law... It turns out we have a solution now. Just watch what would happen if everyone took their money out of the banks, or they quit using Pay Pal, or their credit cards, automobiles, etc. You would see virtually instant results. But no, it's "give me convenience or give me death". The addiction is so overwhelming that a suitable solution will never happen, not while the present situation is so profitable. But your exquisite tunnel vision of the hear and now completely blinds you to future consequences and you are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past as has been happening throughout history. And we continue to feed the authoritarian monster. Your wish to scratch a minor itch has turned it into an infected, festering, cancerous open wound. I guarantee you that inaction is better than the wrong action. But with life being so short you will never see the results. Your grandkids will. Your responses indicate to me that you're more concerned in protecting the interests of business and the authorities that protect it, with some kind of wierd idea that if the corporations fail, society will crumble. Essential freedoms of the individual just don't seem to matter to you as long as the electrodes aren't attached to your nuts. Well, sometimes you just might have to "reformat". Erase everything and start with a clean slate. I bet it wouldn't have to even be that painful. But you all to are too frightened of uncertainty. Well guess what? Food actually does grow on trees. Without our help believe it or not. Water falls freely from the skies, and we are capable of transporting anywhere we want. We don't need Pay Pal or any other "pal" to survive. We certainly don't need copyright to live well. These things exist for the benefit of a select few, and for the conveience of many. So I could give a damn what happens to them in the effort to make our lives easier. All these rules you want to impose upon us is for their benefit, not ours. And as the hypocrisy of our great leaders becomes ever more obvious(which is the real reason for this mad desire to control the net), you will find that the future is indeed very bleak. Respect for law, and for people in general for that matter, is reaching a new low and getting lower every day. The anger is rising all over, and there will be trouble. You can bet on it. Your desire for the iron fist will only make things worse.
Yes, we need the people who provide nothing but war and destruction to give us what we want. That's what the people you support have given us so far....for thousands of years that's what they have given us. It's time time to throw those people out into the ocean to drown. Now is the time for something completely different. Or we will be the ones that are drowning. The tought that doing what we have been doing for millennia will bring different results this time around is indeed ludicrous. It's no different from the hangover victim screaming, "I promise, Lord, I'll never have another drink. And this time I mean it". You just can't admit failure.
hy do you think users sign up for the service? To check email? to browse a few websites?
Yes. That's precisely what they want. And not just browse. They expect you to buy, Mr. Bond.
Is that an OSX joke?
...you are blaming the bank if I get your money?
Yes, I am, and I always will. They failed to take proper precautions. Like I said, we must use new, as yet invented methods of verification. We can speed that up if we take take charge and demand it. We are not doing that. So we continue on with 17th century ways because it's more convenient...and as it turns more profitable. Take the profit away from lax security and it will become a little bit better.
You might see Copyright as toothless.
I never said it was toothless. It has shown to be anything but. And individual liberties(considered an obscenity in "today's post 9/11" hysteria) are suffering because of it. It is well protected...by atomic bombs if desired. I'm saying it's evil. Evidence of this is quite plentiful. People with more resources than you can quite easily take away a copyright. FM radio is one of the more well known examples.
The hair on my head is mine until I say it isn't. Not until YOU say it isn't.
Not if it falls on my floor. Unless you pick it up before I do. I can do what I want with it, including making a clone of you. And it is the state's/corporation's responsibility to make sure it's a clone, not yours, not mine. I will not permit you, or anybody else to lay that on me. So look out, as OJ would say. The clones could already be out there. And try to make a tiny effort to think "out of the box", to coin an old cliche. You just might see that suppression isn't necessary. It's merely of convenience for the lazy.
Phishers do not deal with security...OOPS, it was YOUR fault for actually buying something....
Did I say anything remotely like that? You're not even making the feeblest effort to understand what I'm saying. I said security should be the institution's problem. They are the weak link. They are the ones who fail to verify the veracity of the info much less where it's coming from. They simply drop a bolt into the hasp where a padlock is needed. They are the ones who make phishing so easy and profitable. The phishers are simply exploiting that. And remember, with fraud, it' takes two.
If I grabbed your info from your trash, it's your fault, right?
Fascinating twist on the argument. Once I discard my trash, it's out of my control. You can't seem to grasp that info by itself shouldn't have that kind of power. Whatever I leave in my trash should be of no consequence to me. It is a weak system that allows the damage, not the access to info.
You do not have the right to rebroadcast it without permission.
Permission is not yours to give. Once you "discard" your info to the net, it is indeed in the public domain. Copyright steals(ok borrows) from that domain. Copyright violations take absolutely, positively nothing but the privilege of exclusivity, granted by powers that will take it away should there ever be a worldwide epiphany. The hair on your head is only your to control while it remains attached. The second it falls out, it's ours for the taking. It's quite clear that you can't let go of this 17th century thinking that has no place in the 21st century world. You refuse to understand that it's time for a complete re-evaluation of how we interact with each other, and you all say nothing that can justify maintaining doing things the same way we always have. It's a form of laziness that is keeping us in technological dark ages. It's why we still move around in kerosene burning jalopies instead of self powered maglevs or something similar. It disallows the ability to build on the works of others. The wheel has to be constantly re-invented or reverse engineered. It's why our computers remain such kludges and run so slowly.
So I will leave you to ponder the words of a great genius:
"Bow tie daddy dontcha blow your top
Everything's under control
Bow tie daddy dontcha blow your top
'Cause you think you're gettin' too old
Don't try to do no thinkin'
Just go on with your drinkin'
Just have your fun, you old son of a gun
Then drive home in your Lincoln"
Ooohhhh....that Robert Fripp. Oh well, as they say, "If you remember the 60s, you weren't there." So now we get to hear "Court of the Crimson King" every time we start windows? Very nostalgic. I suppose when you fire up Outlook, we'll get to hear "Heeeyyy, Mr. Postman..." Excel could bring up Tom Lehrer's "New Math". Personally, I think they should use the Beatles "Chains...my baby's got me locked up in chains..."
Phishing is only an issue due to ineffective(and I believe intentionally) authentification employed by the financial institutions. And now we use that scam to suppress the flow. Make no mistake, it's the feeble security methods that make phishing so profitable, not the exposure of your information. If you reveal the info to anybody, it's no longer exclusively yours. Make the trustholders trustworthy. Weak, selectively enforced laws will never cut the mustard, as we are witnessing today.
Heh, now you know what "linux unleashed" means.
...and the beggar can keep bugging you as long as he likes.
As long as he doesn't physically assault you, you should have no recourse. Copyright violations do not relate to phsical assault and removal of your physical property that would deny you the use of that property. Copyright violation is nothing more than the denial of a special privilege granted by the government. A privilege that that been abused for far too long.
If I post your credit card and bank information on a forum site, does that mean it is now public domain and you have no protection?
If anything bad comes from it, it only means that the banks employ weak security. That information by itself should mean nothing. Complain to the financial institutions, not the person who posts it. Make it the bank's problem and it will go away. Don't use their services until they make it secure without making it unduly inconvenient for the customer. The silly passwords and 20 minute waits for failed logins do nothing for security. Make financial security the institution's responsibility instead of suppressing the flow of information. And furthermore, you know what you can do with your copyrights. If you don't want people to use your photos keep them to yourself. If you don't want your information divulged, then don't reveal it to anybody.