...Little green Footballs...and I thought to check the LGF spin on the matter emphasis mine
Yeah, remember that key word:
"Italy To Turn Tail...Under new communist Prime Minister Romano Prodi, Italy will cut and run:" -- That's their headline on Italy's late, but wise decision to pull out of Iraq. Yep, real objective there. Sounds like a FOX news source. I don't believe we should take them seriously. Well, maybe only to the point where somebody might base their vote. Are you sure they're not some kind of parody site? Some of their stuff is truly hilarious.
If words have that kind of power over me, then I would have to say that I don't have a free will. I simply can't go along with "The devil made me do it", no matter how powerful the motivation, even under threat of death(Though most courts would disagree, And even I would have think twice before deciding on the side of free speech). But there are people who absolutely refuse to act against their good conscious, and if they can do it, we can also. So ultimately I'll have to hold the actor accountable. The written thing involves a signed contract. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper with some writing on it. Both partys can deny having anything to do with it without the signature. Though if there was, you could say it was a forgery. Maybe I should stipulate that it be notarized also. Note, I'm not saying that the community should not react negatively to your offer, but there are ways of dealing with that(like simply turning their backs) without actively punishing you, and eventually you would act according to the norms of that community if you want to have a decent life within that community. Yeah, that's a restriction on your speech, but you will restrict yourself as opposed to somebody forcing you to.
In a world where the authorities don't abuse their power, I would agree. We don't live in that kind of world. The police can go to hell. I'll blow up the computer first.
Very excellent idea. Though I wonder if they would just nail you for obstruction then. And then force you to show the info yourself, because they would know that you need to access sometime or another. And wiping a 250gig drive takes quite a while. What would be needed is a code that activates a self destruct device (without calling it a bomb) when the cops come barging through the door.
Funny, I just decided that if I ever pay that much for a meal...
Most of the money goes into renting the plane. The links explain everything. Most small airport diners are very reasonably priced. But I suppose the hot tub and room is a decent comparison. In my case it's not about the food, it's about finding a excuse to go flying.
If you put it on paper, with a signature, then you have a contract. Without that, it's simply your word against the other party's. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't pay out, then you're off the hook, and the other guy is solely responsible. I don't care what motivates him. He took the action. It was his choice. If you do pay up, then you just went beyond speech, and can be held as an accomplice. Same goes for the contract.
...nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation...
Now there's a hole you can drive a truck through. Sounds like a good way to silence the critics of scientology, for example. Libel and slander laws are in direct conflict with freedom of expression. It is up to the listener or reader to verify the facts for themselves. Speech is speech. Action is something else altogether. And we shold focus on the action and only the action. If we are to claim that we have freedom of choice, then those who choose to act, no matter what "provoked" them, should alone be held responsible. Anything else is denial of free will.
Let's deal with the current invasion though before we deal with the next one.
Aw, cmon, you know as well as I do this is no invasion. If it is, then it's being led by the Americans who have them shipped in and hire them. My other post to you elaborates a tiny bit more on the subject. Don't want to be redundant and all that...
Yep. I consider Oklahoma City the work of a Patriot against a broken system...
Oh dear!
...known as the ATF.
If you had said "IRS", my response would possibly have been different. Regardless of who he was after, what did those children in the building ever do to you? I don't know how to respond to such repulsive thoughts. I would expect that from the warhawks in my freaks list. But I have higher regard for you, if for no other reason that we can disagree and still keep on talking. The others simply shut me down and go on with their killin'. For them there is no hope, unless they have an epiphany...or a good whack on the head with a fire extinguisher(method of training pilots during the war(so I hear), the big one, WW2). If you want me to go away, just let me know, and I will. But I hope you don't.
It's kinda funny how these discussions end up coming aroud to the same old thing. I guess I always end up going back to the most basic motivation, because, ultimately, that's why we do anything at all. I don't want to believe you're racist. That's a very harsh term for what exists in nature. For the most part, we are hard wired that way. Let's just say the force(your DNA) is very strong in you.
Anyway, the penny pinching has resulted in the continued use of antiquated ATC equipment. The controllers have been fighting this since the 70's, culminated with the strike in the 80s. And now the replacements raising the same questions. So in order to keep using that equipment, they lay the problem on us with insane restrictions on the use of our vast amount of mostly empty airspace. I would rather pay higher user fees for better ATC equipment than have to buy another new gizmo that's just adding weight to the airplane. I don't want to "secretly" fly all over the country. I just don't want to be burdened with a bunch of declarations and paperwork that could be handled by up to date ATC equipment. I just want want to go up and enjoy the view and find my $100hamburger
I'm amazed at the cost in a day and age where major department stores use a similar system for inventory control and shoplifing prevention (RFID).
An RFID is a passive device, and billions of them will be made, driving down the price. Aircraft equipment is a limited market with relatively low volume made up for with the price. Plus, the equipment has to be certified airworthy. This is a very expensive process. Chrysler made competely identical alternators for some of their autos and for most Lycoming(engine manufacturer) powered light aircraft. The car part was less than $50 dollars. The aircraft part was over $500(Can't remember the real price at all. This was, OMG!, thirty years ago). Simply because the aircraft part has to carry an airworthynes certificate.
But then again, I also remember some of the Ham radio guys I hang out with complaining about the FCC not allowing software tuned radios yet...
Mostly due to the scanner laws I mentioned in a previous post.
I'm strongly into automation of systems...
I'm with you there. Most of of our every(work)day activities should be completely automated. This will save many lives indeed, even without factoring in the "terrorism" thing.
So, try not to let your economic situation cloud your mind. I sense a lot of anger. I consider it to be mis-directed, but it's not for me to decide. Maybe, when you can relax a bit, you might be able to see my position a bit more clearly. And I of course might understand you better...if that is what you wish.
Or at the very least, we should keep young arab men from renting U-Hauls and Ryders.
Forgot respond to this:
Uh, you lost me on that. You are aware that it was an Amreican who rented the truck...oops, wait, you were talking about the first bombing of WTC weren't you? Well then, Ryder was used...twice. Hmmm...could it be that Ryder is our main conspirator here? Who owns them? Maybe we should check up on this. I mean who else would rent a truck to a blind man?:-)
This isn't exactly rocket science, nor do we need to go to ridiculous extremes.
Oh, lordy! But you just did with that other statement. You sure have a way keeping me off balance. Your tribe and possibly your family suffered under horrible discrimination, and you want to perpetrate the same upon others? Yet another example of the oppressed becoming the oppressor. I honestly don't understand why so many people fall into that trap. Maybe the Animal Planet can explain it. It has explained everything else about us up to this point.
Not at all. I just expect you to file a flight plan on the correct website and stick to that flight plan, and I expect that if you deviate from it CAP will be looking for your lost ass. In other words- BASIC SAFETY.
Under visual flight rules, a flight plan is optional. If I'm flying over remote territory, a flight plan is strongly recommended, and I would file one. I don't want to see that be made mandatory. That's just more gov't interference. We suffer enough of that. Most of rules resulting from accidents have nothing to do with preventing similar events. Under instrument flight rules, flight plans are required for obvious reasons to any pilot. They gotta have a pretty good idea where you are when you're in the clouds. Anyway, basic safety should be left up to aviators, not penny pinching bureaucrats.
But the benefits of a controlled airspace should be obvious to anyone- and has almost NOTHING to do with terrorism or mishaps of large planes. It's mere traffic control- no different than the reason we put stoplights at intersections.
You don't have then at every intersection, and not all the airspace needs to be controlled. That's where the gov't gets really weird. After an accident happens within controlled airspace at about 3,000 feet, the gov't decides to extend absolute control over all airspace from a previous floor of 18,000 feet, down to 12,500. This obviously does nothing to eleviate the problem near an airport close to the ground. But that's generally how they operate. More false security, just like TSA and the patriot act. That's because they wnat more control, not more safety.
Well, at least for non-citizens.
That's really sad to hear you say that. Everybody deserves the same freedoms. No matter where they are from. I consider anything less to be racist.
Why is the transponder so much more expensive? Seems to me it could be simulated in software on any radio that can recieve and transmit microwave signals....It's not like any of this is new tech costing millions of dollars to produce.
That may be possible now. The last time I turned a wrench was in the 80s, so I wouldn't know how far things have advanced. At the time, every radio had a distinct function. Your communications equipment was seperate from the navigation equipment, In fact, navigation was further divvied up into seperate radios for direction finding, distance measuring, etc. The transponder was its own little box just for responding to radar. At the time the price was between 1,500 and 3,000 dollars.
Which was an error considering the culture that had attacked us.
The "culture" that attacked us could have just as easily been a group of American whackos(including those New American Century weirdos) as any Arab terrorist group. Despite what they insist on the TV, we STILL don't know who paid for the mission. Racisn and revenge has made the decision for us.
After 9-11, that kind of plane is indeed a threat.
I hope you're not recommending that we ban general aviation(privately owned aircraft), because if you are, then I will expect you to buy my ticket everytime I want to go flying to Des Moines for a hamburger. This is usually the response we get any time a schedueled airliner has a mishap. Somehow it's always the little plane's fault, even if none was involved. We find ourselves with more controlled airspace where we don't need it. You're falling into the "post 9/11 world" syndrome. Everything is a threat. We must eliminate this "freedom" thing. The Concorde crashes once after over 30 years without an accident. Statistically, it became one of the most dangerous aircraft in the air, though in reality it is the safest machine that ever flew. So, somebody crashes an airliner into a building, and we should ban small aircraft? I don't think so. Well, a commercial truck was used in OKC. Let's ban pickup trucks. Or at least put U-Haul out of business because a Ryder truck was used. That's the kind of logic we get out of these screaming ninnies.
I'd think that carrying such a device would be a requirement for anybody flying such an antiquated plane...
On the transponder thing. First, an aircraft transponder is quite a different animal than an ELT(Emergency Locator Transmitter). An ELT simply transmits a signal on the emergency frequencies to be located using standard triagulation techniques. Maybe GPS is used now. A transponder transmits an ID selected by the pilot when "hit" by a radar signal, and is quite expensive. I believe an ELT is required on all certified(not experimental) aircraft. A transponder is required if you want to fly into controlled airspace. Don't start laying problems on people who had nothing to do with the incident.
I guess that's why you leftist socialist democrats want all the cheap mexican labor here...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't really believe the "leftist socialist democrats" are the ones who actually hire and pay them. It's the businesses who feel the need for cheap Mexican labor, and they are the ones paying for their trnsport in the real majority of cases. The guys we see jumping the fence on the news is but a tiny part of the people being brought in by smugglers. I'm not trying to start an arguement, but I believe the Mexicans go to the states for economic opportunities, and the "lefties" are hardly in a position to provide that. I believe that if nobody hired them, they wouldn't be rushing across the border. They see "gold", and they're going to gravitate towards it, just like anybody else would. I certainly hope that the "lefties" aren't telling anybody that the businesses owe them a job, because they definitely don't. Besides, MH42 wnats to close the border, if I'm interpreting his posts and journals correctly. But that's just fighting the symptoms. They need to take a look at the demand, just like in drug prohibition.
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Umm...exactly who is proposing we launch a Mars mission from the Moon? Bush sure isn't, and neither is any other sane person.
Why would you say that? The moon would make an excellent base camp for mining and construction. Saves on a lot of pollution on earth. You don't climb Everest in one big trip. Why should this be any different? What's the rush? Is there somebody else that threatening to claim Mars for themselves? Or are we just trying to get there first so we can claim it? We'll get there when we get there. Two things to consider, first, no atmosphere to fly through (on launch). Second, isn't an escape velocity of probably less than 3,000mph a big advantage as far as needed fuel is concerned? A simple rail gun might be all that is needed. I like that idea better than using a pointy tin can with sparks flying out the back, a la Flash Gordon. I think slow and methodical are better than rushing headlong just for bragging rights.
While thousands of U.S. civilians actually died because of September 11th.
And contrary to popular belief, we still don't know who's behind it. And that's my basic premise. The government lied in the past, and I believe they're lying now. There is no reason to believe otherwise. If there was any evidence of government wrongdoing, the lesson of Richard Nixon was taken to heart and it has been destroyed.
The government decided to exagerate this incident so LBJ could write his blanks check.
If you want to call "shooting at ghosts" an incident in the manner applied here, great. The point is that they weren't attacked. That incident(of being attacked) did not happen. And yes, I understand that the Americans were in Vietnam since 1945, but the war might have been finished by 1964 for not the lies. What this has to do with 9/11 is we are hearing axactly the same kind of lies now. We are accusing people who possibly had nothing to do with 9/11 so we can justify the war. We did this for Vietnam, the Spanish-American war, and many others.
The ultimate goal of these corrupt plans was to protect American soil.
The ultimate goal was, and is to protect American business overseas. We will not accept freedom in other countries if it conflicts with American interests. Otherwise we would let Iraq form its own government and possibly split up if necessary. These are colonial wars. Just like the olden days.
But to think our government would be stupid enough to KILL innocent U.S. civilians in order to protect innocent civilians is just plain fucking rediculous.
Yes, it would be if the government was actually doing all this to protect U.S. civilians. But it isn't. It is trying to protect its own power. Our welfare is quite secondary and is only looked after as far as it serves its real intents. I really can't understand why people think the American government is so completely different from others. People are people no matter where you are. It's time to recognize that.
Ok, I'll go along with that. Now, replace Hearst with Bush and I believe you get the idea and understand why nobody should believe the "official" stories coming from the government. I could believe that 9/11 was an accident just as easily as the "Bin Laden" thing. Neither scenario is very credible. I cannot believe that 9/11 happened without help from the inside. Somebody like of Tim McVeigh could have hired the hijackers. Many people originally believed that OKC was an attack from foreign terrorists. We have plenty of whackos(right and left wing) right here that could have pulled it off. I'll tell you one thing. 9/11 did a great job of distracting peoples' attention away from the stolen election and the lower than ever credibility of the government in general. Even the IRS was in deep doo-doo before the event. I tried to find a link, but google just gets swallowed up in 9/11 stuff, so feel free to call BS on it.
The really true strength of our democracy is its pragmatism. Yell and scream all you want. As long as you continue to pay your taxes, it's all good. The power and the money are all still there.
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...Little green Footballs...and I thought to check the LGF spin on the matter emphasis mine
Yeah, remember that key word:
"Italy To Turn Tail...Under new communist Prime Minister Romano Prodi, Italy will cut and run:" -- That's their headline on Italy's late, but wise decision to pull out of Iraq. Yep, real objective there. Sounds like a FOX news source. I don't believe we should take them seriously. Well, maybe only to the point where somebody might base their vote. Are you sure they're not some kind of parody site? Some of their stuff is truly hilarious.
;) 555-1212. I take it Qwest is your provider.
Why weren't these docs put up on the net before a judge had time to order them sealed? I'm calling for full disclosure.
If words have that kind of power over me, then I would have to say that I don't have a free will. I simply can't go along with "The devil made me do it", no matter how powerful the motivation, even under threat of death(Though most courts would disagree, And even I would have think twice before deciding on the side of free speech). But there are people who absolutely refuse to act against their good conscious, and if they can do it, we can also. So ultimately I'll have to hold the actor accountable. The written thing involves a signed contract. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper with some writing on it. Both partys can deny having anything to do with it without the signature. Though if there was, you could say it was a forgery. Maybe I should stipulate that it be notarized also. Note, I'm not saying that the community should not react negatively to your offer, but there are ways of dealing with that(like simply turning their backs) without actively punishing you, and eventually you would act according to the norms of that community if you want to have a decent life within that community. Yeah, that's a restriction on your speech, but you will restrict yourself as opposed to somebody forcing you to.
So, if I kill myself, do I get the money?
In a world where the authorities don't abuse their power, I would agree. We don't live in that kind of world. The police can go to hell. I'll blow up the computer first.
Very excellent idea. Though I wonder if they would just nail you for obstruction then. And then force you to show the info yourself, because they would know that you need to access sometime or another. And wiping a 250gig drive takes quite a while. What would be needed is a code that activates a self destruct device (without calling it a bomb) when the cops come barging through the door.
Funny, I just decided that if I ever pay that much for a meal...
Most of the money goes into renting the plane. The links explain everything. Most small airport diners are very reasonably priced. But I suppose the hot tub and room is a decent comparison. In my case it's not about the food, it's about finding a excuse to go flying.
If you put it on paper, with a signature, then you have a contract. Without that, it's simply your word against the other party's. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't pay out, then you're off the hook, and the other guy is solely responsible. I don't care what motivates him. He took the action. It was his choice. If you do pay up, then you just went beyond speech, and can be held as an accomplice. Same goes for the contract.
Let's just get community wireless mesh up and running and let the ISPs deal with THAT!
...nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation...
Now there's a hole you can drive a truck through. Sounds like a good way to silence the critics of scientology, for example. Libel and slander laws are in direct conflict with freedom of expression. It is up to the listener or reader to verify the facts for themselves. Speech is speech. Action is something else altogether. And we shold focus on the action and only the action. If we are to claim that we have freedom of choice, then those who choose to act, no matter what "provoked" them, should alone be held responsible. Anything else is denial of free will.
Let's deal with the current invasion though before we deal with the next one.
Aw, cmon, you know as well as I do this is no invasion. If it is, then it's being led by the Americans who have them shipped in and hire them. My other post to you elaborates a tiny bit more on the subject. Don't want to be redundant and all that...
Yep. I consider Oklahoma City the work of a Patriot against a broken system...
...known as the ATF.
Oh dear!
If you had said "IRS", my response would possibly have been different. Regardless of who he was after, what did those children in the building ever do to you? I don't know how to respond to such repulsive thoughts. I would expect that from the warhawks in my freaks list. But I have higher regard for you, if for no other reason that we can disagree and still keep on talking. The others simply shut me down and go on with their killin'. For them there is no hope, unless they have an epiphany...or a good whack on the head with a fire extinguisher(method of training pilots during the war(so I hear), the big one, WW2). If you want me to go away, just let me know, and I will. But I hope you don't.
It's kinda funny how these discussions end up coming aroud to the same old thing. I guess I always end up going back to the most basic motivation, because, ultimately, that's why we do anything at all. I don't want to believe you're racist. That's a very harsh term for what exists in nature. For the most part, we are hard wired that way. Let's just say the force(your DNA) is very strong in you.
Anyway, the penny pinching has resulted in the continued use of antiquated ATC equipment. The controllers have been fighting this since the 70's, culminated with the strike in the 80s. And now the replacements raising the same questions. So in order to keep using that equipment, they lay the problem on us with insane restrictions on the use of our vast amount of mostly empty airspace. I would rather pay higher user fees for better ATC equipment than have to buy another new gizmo that's just adding weight to the airplane. I don't want to "secretly" fly all over the country. I just don't want to be burdened with a bunch of declarations and paperwork that could be handled by up to date ATC equipment. I just want want to go up and enjoy the view and find my $100 hamburger
I'm amazed at the cost in a day and age where major department stores use a similar system for inventory control and shoplifing prevention (RFID).
An RFID is a passive device, and billions of them will be made, driving down the price. Aircraft equipment is a limited market with relatively low volume made up for with the price. Plus, the equipment has to be certified airworthy. This is a very expensive process. Chrysler made competely identical alternators for some of their autos and for most Lycoming(engine manufacturer) powered light aircraft. The car part was less than $50 dollars. The aircraft part was over $500(Can't remember the real price at all. This was, OMG!, thirty years ago). Simply because the aircraft part has to carry an airworthynes certificate.
But then again, I also remember some of the Ham radio guys I hang out with complaining about the FCC not allowing software tuned radios yet...
Mostly due to the scanner laws I mentioned in a previous post.
I'm strongly into automation of systems...
I'm with you there. Most of of our every(work)day activities should be completely automated. This will save many lives indeed, even without factoring in the "terrorism" thing.
So, try not to let your economic situation cloud your mind. I sense a lot of anger. I consider it to be mis-directed, but it's not for me to decide. Maybe, when you can relax a bit, you might be able to see my position a bit more clearly. And I of course might understand you better...if that is what you wish.
Or at the very least, we should keep young arab men from renting U-Hauls and Ryders.
:-)
Forgot respond to this:
Uh, you lost me on that. You are aware that it was an Amreican who rented the truck...oops, wait, you were talking about the first bombing of WTC weren't you? Well then, Ryder was used...twice. Hmmm...could it be that Ryder is our main conspirator here? Who owns them? Maybe we should check up on this. I mean who else would rent a truck to a blind man?
This isn't exactly rocket science, nor do we need to go to ridiculous extremes.
Oh, lordy! But you just did with that other statement. You sure have a way keeping me off balance. Your tribe and possibly your family suffered under horrible discrimination, and you want to perpetrate the same upon others? Yet another example of the oppressed becoming the oppressor. I honestly don't understand why so many people fall into that trap. Maybe the Animal Planet can explain it. It has explained everything else about us up to this point.
Not at all. I just expect you to file a flight plan on the correct website and stick to that flight plan, and I expect that if you deviate from it CAP will be looking for your lost ass. In other words- BASIC SAFETY.
Under visual flight rules, a flight plan is optional. If I'm flying over remote territory, a flight plan is strongly recommended, and I would file one. I don't want to see that be made mandatory. That's just more gov't interference. We suffer enough of that. Most of rules resulting from accidents have nothing to do with preventing similar events. Under instrument flight rules, flight plans are required for obvious reasons to any pilot. They gotta have a pretty good idea where you are when you're in the clouds. Anyway, basic safety should be left up to aviators, not penny pinching bureaucrats.
But the benefits of a controlled airspace should be obvious to anyone- and has almost NOTHING to do with terrorism or mishaps of large planes. It's mere traffic control- no different than the reason we put stoplights at intersections.
You don't have then at every intersection, and not all the airspace needs to be controlled. That's where the gov't gets really weird. After an accident happens within controlled airspace at about 3,000 feet, the gov't decides to extend absolute control over all airspace from a previous floor of 18,000 feet, down to 12,500. This obviously does nothing to eleviate the problem near an airport close to the ground. But that's generally how they operate. More false security, just like TSA and the patriot act. That's because they wnat more control, not more safety.
Well, at least for non-citizens.
That's really sad to hear you say that. Everybody deserves the same freedoms. No matter where they are from. I consider anything less to be racist.
Why is the transponder so much more expensive? Seems to me it could be simulated in software on any radio that can recieve and transmit microwave signals....It's not like any of this is new tech costing millions of dollars to produce.
That may be possible now. The last time I turned a wrench was in the 80s, so I wouldn't know how far things have advanced. At the time, every radio had a distinct function. Your communications equipment was seperate from the navigation equipment, In fact, navigation was further divvied up into seperate radios for direction finding, distance measuring, etc. The transponder was its own little box just for responding to radar. At the time the price was between 1,500 and 3,000 dollars.
What holes are you talking about?
Which was an error considering the culture that had attacked us.
The "culture" that attacked us could have just as easily been a group of American whackos(including those New American Century weirdos) as any Arab terrorist group. Despite what they insist on the TV, we STILL don't know who paid for the mission. Racisn and revenge has made the decision for us.
After 9-11, that kind of plane is indeed a threat.
I hope you're not recommending that we ban general aviation(privately owned aircraft), because if you are, then I will expect you to buy my ticket everytime I want to go flying to Des Moines for a hamburger. This is usually the response we get any time a schedueled airliner has a mishap. Somehow it's always the little plane's fault, even if none was involved. We find ourselves with more controlled airspace where we don't need it. You're falling into the "post 9/11 world" syndrome. Everything is a threat. We must eliminate this "freedom" thing. The Concorde crashes once after over 30 years without an accident. Statistically, it became one of the most dangerous aircraft in the air, though in reality it is the safest machine that ever flew. So, somebody crashes an airliner into a building, and we should ban small aircraft? I don't think so. Well, a commercial truck was used in OKC. Let's ban pickup trucks. Or at least put U-Haul out of business because a Ryder truck was used. That's the kind of logic we get out of these screaming ninnies.
I'd think that carrying such a device would be a requirement for anybody flying such an antiquated plane...
On the transponder thing. First, an aircraft transponder is quite a different animal than an ELT(Emergency Locator Transmitter). An ELT simply transmits a signal on the emergency frequencies to be located using standard triagulation techniques. Maybe GPS is used now. A transponder transmits an ID selected by the pilot when "hit" by a radar signal, and is quite expensive. I believe an ELT is required on all certified(not experimental) aircraft. A transponder is required if you want to fly into controlled airspace. Don't start laying problems on people who had nothing to do with the incident.
I guess that's why you leftist socialist democrats want all the cheap mexican labor here...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't really believe the "leftist socialist democrats" are the ones who actually hire and pay them. It's the businesses who feel the need for cheap Mexican labor, and they are the ones paying for their trnsport in the real majority of cases. The guys we see jumping the fence on the news is but a tiny part of the people being brought in by smugglers. I'm not trying to start an arguement, but I believe the Mexicans go to the states for economic opportunities, and the "lefties" are hardly in a position to provide that. I believe that if nobody hired them, they wouldn't be rushing across the border. They see "gold", and they're going to gravitate towards it, just like anybody else would. I certainly hope that the "lefties" aren't telling anybody that the businesses owe them a job, because they definitely don't. Besides, MH42 wnats to close the border, if I'm interpreting his posts and journals correctly. But that's just fighting the symptoms. They need to take a look at the demand, just like in drug prohibition.
Work on your Spanish...
:-)
Personally, I would recommend Chinese. Spanish will become as irrelevent as French in due time
"But that was a priceless Steinway."
"Not anymore!"
Umm...exactly who is proposing we launch a Mars mission from the Moon? Bush sure isn't, and neither is any other sane person.
Why would you say that? The moon would make an excellent base camp for mining and construction. Saves on a lot of pollution on earth. You don't climb Everest in one big trip. Why should this be any different? What's the rush? Is there somebody else that threatening to claim Mars for themselves? Or are we just trying to get there first so we can claim it? We'll get there when we get there. Two things to consider, first, no atmosphere to fly through (on launch). Second, isn't an escape velocity of probably less than 3,000mph a big advantage as far as needed fuel is concerned? A simple rail gun might be all that is needed. I like that idea better than using a pointy tin can with sparks flying out the back, a la Flash Gordon. I think slow and methodical are better than rushing headlong just for bragging rights.
But it's a credit union using a computer (patent pending).
While thousands of U.S. civilians actually died because of September 11th.
And contrary to popular belief, we still don't know who's behind it. And that's my basic premise. The government lied in the past, and I believe they're lying now. There is no reason to believe otherwise. If there was any evidence of government wrongdoing, the lesson of Richard Nixon was taken to heart and it has been destroyed.
The government decided to exagerate this incident so LBJ could write his blanks check.
If you want to call "shooting at ghosts" an incident in the manner applied here, great. The point is that they weren't attacked. That incident(of being attacked) did not happen. And yes, I understand that the Americans were in Vietnam since 1945, but the war might have been finished by 1964 for not the lies. What this has to do with 9/11 is we are hearing axactly the same kind of lies now. We are accusing people who possibly had nothing to do with 9/11 so we can justify the war. We did this for Vietnam, the Spanish-American war, and many others.
The ultimate goal of these corrupt plans was to protect American soil.
The ultimate goal was, and is to protect American business overseas. We will not accept freedom in other countries if it conflicts with American interests. Otherwise we would let Iraq form its own government and possibly split up if necessary. These are colonial wars. Just like the olden days.
But to think our government would be stupid enough to KILL innocent U.S. civilians in order to protect innocent civilians is just plain fucking rediculous.
Yes, it would be if the government was actually doing all this to protect U.S. civilians. But it isn't. It is trying to protect its own power. Our welfare is quite secondary and is only looked after as far as it serves its real intents. I really can't understand why people think the American government is so completely different from others. People are people no matter where you are. It's time to recognize that.
Ok, I'll go along with that. Now, replace Hearst with Bush and I believe you get the idea and understand why nobody should believe the "official" stories coming from the government. I could believe that 9/11 was an accident just as easily as the "Bin Laden" thing. Neither scenario is very credible. I cannot believe that 9/11 happened without help from the inside. Somebody like of Tim McVeigh could have hired the hijackers. Many people originally believed that OKC was an attack from foreign terrorists. We have plenty of whackos(right and left wing) right here that could have pulled it off. I'll tell you one thing. 9/11 did a great job of distracting peoples' attention away from the stolen election and the lower than ever credibility of the government in general. Even the IRS was in deep doo-doo before the event. I tried to find a link, but google just gets swallowed up in 9/11 stuff, so feel free to call BS on it.
...one of the true strengths of our Democracy.
The really true strength of our democracy is its pragmatism. Yell and scream all you want. As long as you continue to pay your taxes, it's all good. The power and the money are all still there.