I would venture to say that most companies don't invest much into their product anymore. Most of it usually go into some kind of stock portfolio or money maket fund. Most seem to be in the business of buying and selling money that probably doesn't really exist. Just an opinion not based on any facts.
Probably been happening for a long time. How many got into Red Hat during its IPO? If I had a nickle to my name at the time, I would have a whole quarter today. It's all good. It just would've ended up in the slot machine at the corner 7-11.
...solar and wind might be eco-friendly, but they sure ain't cheap.
Volume, my friend. Volume. Volume and time. yeah that's it. Volume and time. Volume, time, and desire. That'll do it. I remember a time when a 16mhz, 8mb of RAM, 80mb Hard drive, 68030, Mac was $6000 USD.($7000 with a wide carriage impact printer) I hope I don't have to tell you what that 6 thou will get you now. The prices we enjoy now are because of gov't subsidies to the petrol industry. In a real free market, the costs of the alternatives would be truly competitive, if not lower.
Of course it still has to be proven. Which is where the problem lies...
Thanks for the info. That was reason I asked the question. How can we get proof?
However most companies that have their hand caught in the cookie jar will co-operate rather than risk losing millions in lawsuits (there have been quite a few companies recently that have "given in")
I'm sure the "smaller" companies will give in, but how can we deal with a certain company or companies that are big enough to just consider fines and lawsuits as "just part of doing business" and adjust their prices accordingly? Contrary to what the people behind the scenes are saying, I'm not flaimbaiting here. I'm just interested in finding a way to keep people honest. A perfectly legitimate concern, no?
People would look for signature strings in suspiciously similar closed source products anyway...
Well, I, for one, hope it's that easy. With all the restrictions that can be put on us, I would like to see a real enforceable way that we can do the same to them. That's why I put forth the question. Some people took it the wrong way. No, not those of you who actually responded, but the folks "behind the scenes".
Hmmm...So asking a legitimate question, attempting to find an answer, and actually generating a couple of perfectly reasoned responses is flaimbait now. Do I smell an agenda here? Nah...couldn't be. Fascinating. Now, THIS post can be considered Flaimbait, Off topic, or Troll. Knock yourself out. I'll make sure to write a nice pro-copyright/war post next time to get back into your good graces. I'd call you (mod) an idiot, but I'm the idiot here, and considering who calls me that, I wear the name proudly.
Let me put another way. How do you know that Windows or Photoshop, etc. has no "unauthorized" GPL code in it? Don't you need to see the source? If you were to disassemble the program to see the source, are you not violating the DMCA, or some other thing(EULA) that prohibits disassembly or reverse engineering? If you need to violate law in order to enforce the contract, can you use the "illegally" found evidence, no matter how true, in court?
Isn't SBC a somewhat protected monopoly in the areas they serve? If it is, then workers should get the same protection. Is very difficult to negotiate a contract in a "right to work" state. "Closed shop" really helps to level the playing field when dealing with giant sized companies like SBC or the auto manufacturers, etc. Also, I don't think "closed shop" states have any effect on non-union companies. I could be wrong, though.
Ok, I was just mentioning that the submitter had said to reomve the the drives, and now I'm really confused, because I didn't see anything falsely stated. If something was falsely implied, then, I'm sorry for not understanding.
Transfering 1gig pictures from a memeory card at any speed would still take ages.
It most certainly would. I took an uncompressed picture with a friend's 5 megapixel cameral. The resulting picture took a full 30 seconds(!) just to put onto the card inside the camera. And it was only 14 megabytes. I think the "Flinstones" camera with the bird inside chiseling out the picture was faster.
Said it so well and so completely, there's little that can be added here without being redundant or trying to sound like some great philosopher. Thanks David...Right on! You made good use of that new liver. If you ever need another one, call. I'll be happy to give you a chunk of mine, if it's not all loaded up with too much THC:-)
A $1000 Athlon system will wipe the floor with a top of the line G5 system costing over $3000.
A) Well, it will certainly heat the water in the slop bucket, and that $2000 dollars you saved will be eaten up by the electric bill in a hurry. B) Yes, but will it compute as fast? C) Chips so hot, "you can fry an egg on it". D) Can you run OSX on it? E) A beowolf(sp) cluster of these will burn down the house.
Uuuhhh...would that be because it would no longer be a theory? Would that be like saying "Tomorrow will never come"?(arrive...for all you perverts out there. So hold the lame jokes, please.)
Doesn't matter. Take it anyway. Whatever he's got. How much more do we have to pay to keep him alive? If he was out, possibly with an electronic "dog collar" that says "I'm a crook"(public ridicule(sp) is powerful stuff), any money he makes afterword could go to better use, if was it were to be garnished, leaving him with just enough to stay at some fleabag SRO(single room occupancy) hotel in the slums somewhere. Deny him any kind of welfare and let him rot on his own, if that's way he wants to play it. He would probably feel safer in jail. We need to use the jails for truly dangerous people. Property crime is just too petty for it.
We have to pay for his bed, three squares, and medical bills, etc.? Instead of taking his property and garnishing his income for many years for a net profit for the state? Highly illogical, and very emotional. Ah, sweet revenge. Ain't it beautiful?
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I would venture to say that most companies don't invest much into their product anymore. Most of it usually go into some kind of stock portfolio or money maket fund. Most seem to be in the business of buying and selling money that probably doesn't really exist. Just an opinion not based on any facts.
Probably been happening for a long time. How many got into Red Hat during its IPO? If I had a nickle to my name at the time, I would have a whole quarter today. It's all good. It just would've ended up in the slot machine at the corner 7-11.
Put the American farmer back into the energy loop growing soybeans and take foreign oil sources out - how is that a "bad solution"?
They may have to buy their soybean from Monsanto. I wouldn't want them to become a new Exxon.
All this story says is, "If you get free stuff, you can make other cheap stuff out of it."...
Great, now Crisco is going to become the next SCO
That's capitalism for you.
Looks a little like socialism to me...Maybe I'm not sure what capitaism is, but from what I was taught in school, this doesn't look like it.
...solar and wind might be eco-friendly, but they sure ain't cheap.
Volume, my friend. Volume. Volume and time. yeah that's it. Volume and time. Volume, time, and desire. That'll do it. I remember a time when a 16mhz, 8mb of RAM, 80mb Hard drive, 68030, Mac was $6000 USD.($7000 with a wide carriage impact printer) I hope I don't have to tell you what that 6 thou will get you now. The prices we enjoy now are because of gov't subsidies to the petrol industry. In a real free market, the costs of the alternatives would be truly competitive, if not lower.
Of course it still has to be proven. Which is where the problem lies...
Thanks for the info. That was reason I asked the question. How can we get proof?
However most companies that have their hand caught in the cookie jar will co-operate rather than risk losing millions in lawsuits (there have been quite a few companies recently that have "given in")
I'm sure the "smaller" companies will give in, but how can we deal with a certain company or companies that are big enough to just consider fines and lawsuits as "just part of doing business" and adjust their prices accordingly? Contrary to what the people behind the scenes are saying, I'm not flaimbaiting here. I'm just interested in finding a way to keep people honest. A perfectly legitimate concern, no?
People would look for signature strings in suspiciously similar closed source products anyway...
Well, I, for one, hope it's that easy. With all the restrictions that can be put on us, I would like to see a real enforceable way that we can do the same to them. That's why I put forth the question. Some people took it the wrong way. No, not those of you who actually responded, but the folks "behind the scenes".
Hmmm...So asking a legitimate question, attempting to find an answer, and actually generating a couple of perfectly reasoned responses is flaimbait now. Do I smell an agenda here? Nah...couldn't be. Fascinating. Now, THIS post can be considered Flaimbait, Off topic, or Troll. Knock yourself out. I'll make sure to write a nice pro-copyright/war post next time to get back into your good graces. I'd call you (mod) an idiot, but I'm the idiot here, and considering who calls me that, I wear the name proudly.
Let me put another way. How do you know that Windows or Photoshop, etc. has no "unauthorized" GPL code in it? Don't you need to see the source? If you were to disassemble the program to see the source, are you not violating the DMCA, or some other thing(EULA) that prohibits disassembly or reverse engineering? If you need to violate law in order to enforce the contract, can you use the "illegally" found evidence, no matter how true, in court?
Will we see the irony of dissatisfied programmers becoming the new Luddites and running around smashing automated weaving looms...?
Yes, we must "destroy the observatory so nothing like this can happen again!!!!"
somebody is going to take it "closed source" and then use the DMCA to prohibit anyone from looking for the GPL code inside.
...but Optimus is still the ultimate prime.
This one?
Isn't SBC a somewhat protected monopoly in the areas they serve? If it is, then workers should get the same protection. Is very difficult to negotiate a contract in a "right to work" state. "Closed shop" really helps to level the playing field when dealing with giant sized companies like SBC or the auto manufacturers, etc. Also, I don't think "closed shop" states have any effect on non-union companies. I could be wrong, though.
Ok, I was just mentioning that the submitter had said to reomve the the drives, and now I'm really confused, because I didn't see anything falsely stated. If something was falsely implied, then, I'm sorry for not understanding.
Transfering 1gig pictures from a memeory card at any speed would still take ages.
It most certainly would. I took an uncompressed picture with a friend's 5 megapixel cameral. The resulting picture took a full 30 seconds(!) just to put onto the card inside the camera. And it was only 14 megabytes. I think the "Flinstones" camera with the bird inside chiseling out the picture was faster.
...but wait until some 19 megapixel camera appears...
19 megapixel...Bah!
From the submission:
...removing the Hitachi 4 GB microdrives
from your post:
The submitter talks smugly about something which is false.
I must be an idiot. Am I missing something here?
7 to 9 metres? Just a guess from the photo.
Said it so well and so completely, there's little that can be added here without being redundant or trying to sound like some great philosopher. Thanks David...Right on! You made good use of that new liver. If you ever need another one, call. I'll be happy to give you a chunk of mine, if it's not all loaded up with too much THC :-)
A $1000 Athlon system will wipe the floor with a top of the line G5 system costing over $3000.
A) Well, it will certainly heat the water in the slop bucket, and that $2000 dollars you saved will be eaten up by the electric bill in a hurry.
B) Yes, but will it compute as fast?
C) Chips so hot, "you can fry an egg on it".
D) Can you run OSX on it?
E) A beowolf(sp) cluster of these will burn down the house.
In science, a theory can never be proven true...
Uuuhhh...would that be because it would no longer be a theory? Would that be like saying "Tomorrow will never come"?(arrive...for all you perverts out there. So hold the lame jokes, please.)
You could just as easily explain the falling by using the Aristotelian (IIRC) "things fall because it is their nature to fall"...
I prefer Fudd's first law of opposition - "If you push something hard enough, it will fall over."
Doesn't matter. Take it anyway. Whatever he's got. How much more do we have to pay to keep him alive? If he was out, possibly with an electronic "dog collar" that says "I'm a crook"(public ridicule(sp) is powerful stuff), any money he makes afterword could go to better use, if was it were to be garnished, leaving him with just enough to stay at some fleabag SRO(single room occupancy) hotel in the slums somewhere. Deny him any kind of welfare and let him rot on his own, if that's way he wants to play it. He would probably feel safer in jail. We need to use the jails for truly dangerous people. Property crime is just too petty for it.
We have to pay for his bed, three squares, and medical bills, etc.? Instead of taking his property and garnishing his income for many years for a net profit for the state? Highly illogical, and very emotional. Ah, sweet revenge. Ain't it beautiful?