Sorry, this is overhyped crap..
a.) Mod chips have been around for a long time. They've been solderless for a long time.
b.) We've been able to run Linux on our xboxes for a long, long time.
c.) The "Onboard OS" is an *application* stored on the chip's flash, which allows users to flash different bios images. It is an OS in that is does not require the stock xbox kernel. No more.
This is absolutely nothing new. Recent Xecuter bios images have supported packing.xbe files into the bios (simple ftpd was a good example).
Looks like your admins have been duped by an "anonymous" poster from the company who make this.
As for those of you who talk about wanting to use the MS media center thing and stream from Linux - check out XBMC (sourceforge) - it is one of the best pieces of "homebrew" software ever created.
TD
"For example, those who think they are overweight ask a higher price to step on a scale in front of their peers, than those of average weight."
Seriously?? No WAY!! And here was me expecting it to be, like, where overweight people would demean themselves in public for free!
Whoever is spending money on researching this, is probably preventing someone really good from researching something really useful - maybe we should remember that when posting such utter non-news..
Yes, and I would be extremely happy if the overheads (including interference from my crappy consumer grade WAP - which indeed, it is) were 10%.. or 20%... or hell, even 33%.. but no.
Surely you can't seek to justify my supposed 11mbps running at under 2mbps as overhead / intereference?
>> It's used so that my sister can connect to the internet using my internet connection.
OK - it *says* its running at 22mbps - but it it actually able to transfer data at ~22mbps? If it's only used for internet access, its either impossible to tell, or you have very, very fast internet access;)
Bullshit.
"802.anything" is a joke. I'm no great networking hero, but I know that every single wireless setup I've ever seen runs at less than half its rated capacity - even when the WAP and client are in LOS, less than 10m away from each other.
A guy I know recently forked over a lot of $$$ for a "54mbit" setup (wireless cable router and a 54mbit PCI card) - the kit is spaced about 15 metres apart, with only 2 non-load-bearing walls (read partitions) in the way - it runs at about 10mbps.
My own kit is a simple WAP and PCMCIA card - old kit - supposedly 11mbps. Runs at just over 2mbps.
So, I ask you this:
Has anyone here ever actually got the advertised rate from this stuff (or even anything close)? Or am i condemned to watch my streamed divx pr0n at 10fps for eternity;) ?
Afterthough: Will they ever actually make 802.xx kit which *actually works as a network card* - ie allowing frame injection using libpcap? Or is my segfault / bsod pain to continue?
As the lead dev of XLink, I'll put my 2 cents in - whether you people care is your choice.
As Chad just said, things between our two groups have been especially heated over the last couple of days - but it is now, in my opinion, resolved.
I reacted so strongly because I got the impression that we were being accused of using someones elses code in our project - which we have / will not. I dont give a rats ass about what license agreement WPP uses - it's their code, and their choice.
I, as I am sure you, first assumed that the closing of source was the first step in commercialising the project - something which would have prompted XLink to compete ferociously with WPP - as we are, and have always been free and "ad" free - something which not many other projects are - including SlashDot. We do what we do, spending the money and time which we spend, because we like to do it - nothing else. I have recently spoken with Chad at length, and am completely satisfied that the decision to close source is not a prelude to commercialisation - and would ask others to accept the WPP teams word on this. It would also be of importance to notice that WPP went closed source before XLink even announced GCN support for our product - hence it is not a "reaction" to our proposed "competition".
As concerns the SF misunderstanding - thats all they were - misunderstandings. SourceForge is a superb service, which serves millions of people every day. However, people make mistakes - we've all done it - and if the WPP team want their source closed from now on, that should be their choice, and I would politely ask the people here who have suggested forking the old source on SF under a new project name to accept that a mistake was made, and leave it alone.
Finally, I think both teams involved will create excellent products - both of which will be free. What upsets me, is that here, in one of most popular roots of the OSS community, people have such a commercial perception of everything. We dont make our code open source - the reasons are our own. You either use XLink, or you do not. The choice is entirely yours. I would suggest that you perceive at OSS and GPL in the way it was designed to be perceived - as a mechanism to facilitate the sharing of concepts and implementations, as per the wishes of the original author. Remeber the mantra - "It's all about choice".....
TD & The XLink Crew
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Sorry, this is overhyped crap.. a.) Mod chips have been around for a long time. They've been solderless for a long time. b.) We've been able to run Linux on our xboxes for a long, long time. c.) The "Onboard OS" is an *application* stored on the chip's flash, which allows users to flash different bios images. It is an OS in that is does not require the stock xbox kernel. No more. This is absolutely nothing new. Recent Xecuter bios images have supported packing .xbe files into the bios (simple ftpd was a good example).
Looks like your admins have been duped by an "anonymous" poster from the company who make this.
As for those of you who talk about wanting to use the MS media center thing and stream from Linux - check out XBMC (sourceforge) - it is one of the best pieces of "homebrew" software ever created.
TD
Sorry friend - not funny... Maybe if they beheaded your mother? Or your daughter?
TD
Tech 2: Right - here goes..
Spirit Rover: Please choose filesystem:
1.) FAT16
2.) CLEVER_NASA_FS
Tech 1: Bah.. my "2" key is broken..
Tech 2: Cut and paste a "2" character from a website or something maybe?
Tech 1: To hell with it - it's never gonna get to Mars anyway..
Spirit Rover: FORMAT COMPLETE
"For example, those who think they are overweight ask a higher price to step on a scale in front of their peers, than those of average weight."
Seriously?? No WAY!! And here was me expecting it to be, like, where overweight people would demean themselves in public for free!
Whoever is spending money on researching this, is probably preventing someone really good from researching something really useful - maybe we should remember that when posting such utter non-news..
Yes, and I would be extremely happy if the overheads (including interference from my crappy consumer grade WAP - which indeed, it is) were 10% .. or 20% ... or hell, even 33% .. but no.
Surely you can't seek to justify my supposed 11mbps running at under 2mbps as overhead / intereference?
>> It's used so that my sister can connect to the internet using my internet connection.
;)
OK - it *says* its running at 22mbps - but it it actually able to transfer data at ~22mbps? If it's only used for internet access, its either impossible to tell, or you have very, very fast internet access
You are correct. But, if you didnt know what I meant when i said 802.xx, then I think you've been at your keyboard too long :/
Bullshit. "802.anything" is a joke. I'm no great networking hero, but I know that every single wireless setup I've ever seen runs at less than half its rated capacity - even when the WAP and client are in LOS, less than 10m away from each other.
;) ?
A guy I know recently forked over a lot of $$$ for a "54mbit" setup (wireless cable router and a 54mbit PCI card) - the kit is spaced about 15 metres apart, with only 2 non-load-bearing walls (read partitions) in the way - it runs at about 10mbps.
My own kit is a simple WAP and PCMCIA card - old kit - supposedly 11mbps. Runs at just over 2mbps.
So, I ask you this:
Has anyone here ever actually got the advertised rate from this stuff (or even anything close)? Or am i condemned to watch my streamed divx pr0n at 10fps for eternity
Afterthough: Will they ever actually make 802.xx kit which *actually works as a network card* - ie allowing frame injection using libpcap? Or is my segfault / bsod pain to continue?
As the lead dev of XLink, I'll put my 2 cents in - whether you people care is your choice. As Chad just said, things between our two groups have been especially heated over the last couple of days - but it is now, in my opinion, resolved. I reacted so strongly because I got the impression that we were being accused of using someones elses code in our project - which we have / will not. I dont give a rats ass about what license agreement WPP uses - it's their code, and their choice. I, as I am sure you, first assumed that the closing of source was the first step in commercialising the project - something which would have prompted XLink to compete ferociously with WPP - as we are, and have always been free and "ad" free - something which not many other projects are - including SlashDot. We do what we do, spending the money and time which we spend, because we like to do it - nothing else. I have recently spoken with Chad at length, and am completely satisfied that the decision to close source is not a prelude to commercialisation - and would ask others to accept the WPP teams word on this. It would also be of importance to notice that WPP went closed source before XLink even announced GCN support for our product - hence it is not a "reaction" to our proposed "competition". As concerns the SF misunderstanding - thats all they were - misunderstandings. SourceForge is a superb service, which serves millions of people every day. However, people make mistakes - we've all done it - and if the WPP team want their source closed from now on, that should be their choice, and I would politely ask the people here who have suggested forking the old source on SF under a new project name to accept that a mistake was made, and leave it alone. Finally, I think both teams involved will create excellent products - both of which will be free. What upsets me, is that here, in one of most popular roots of the OSS community, people have such a commercial perception of everything. We dont make our code open source - the reasons are our own. You either use XLink, or you do not. The choice is entirely yours. I would suggest that you perceive at OSS and GPL in the way it was designed to be perceived - as a mechanism to facilitate the sharing of concepts and implementations, as per the wishes of the original author. Remeber the mantra - "It's all about choice"..... TD & The XLink Crew