Your byline says nothing about dropping from 10 feet. It specifically says "10,000 feet". Since you're that stupid, or just trolling, this is my last reply on this subject.
Solamia "was an experiment in anarchy, not libertarianism. Libertarianism is dependant on a small government providing for the protection of rights and enforcement of contracts."
liberty is to be free from restraint and violence from others, which cannot be where there is no law; and is not, as we are told, “a liberty for every man to do what he lists.” For who could be free, when every other man’s humour might domineer over him? But a liberty to dispose and order freely as he lists his person, actions, possessions, and his whole property within the allowance of those laws under which he is, and therein not to be subject to the arbitrary will of another, but freely follow his own.
In New Hampshire they'll still be living under the large federal government. If they really want small government they should really think about emigrating altogether.
Why should those who believe what the USA's Founding Fathers believed be forced to leave because others have mangled the Constitution Of the USA? Because socialists and other big government types say they have to?
That's boilerplate, of course, and not related to the bill itself or any particular bill.
"In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Eleven" does not need to be there, the only reason it would be there today is because someone wants to force their religion on others.
A Corporation is not capable of spending money for consumption purposes, only the individuals who make up the corporation are, so why tax the entity at all?
Because corporations have an unfair advantage over other forms of business ownership. Say two businesses have their roofs collapse because of the weight of the snow on the roof, which has happened a number of tymes recently, and employees are injured. Say some are even killed. One was owned by a corporation and the other was owned by you, as a Sole proprietorship. The most a stockholder can lose is how much they paid for the stocks. You on the other hand can lose your business, your home, and everything you own.
Now are you going to say corporations should not pay taxes and enjoy such an advantage but you have to pay those taxes, and be held liable?
Corporations don't pay taxes, their customers do. And with corporate tax rates at 0%, consumers end up spending much less for the things they need and businesses find it easier to expand and hire more employees.
If corporations pay no income tax but people do corporations get a free ride. Sole Proprietorships and Partnerships also hire employees yet their owners still have to pay income tax. Not only do owners have to pay tax they are also financially liable, for instance in case of an accident, whereas stock holders are not. The first corporations granted charters were given charters just because of this. The British East India Company was granted a charter in 1600 and the Dutch East India Company was granted a charter in 1602. Both were shipping companies running ships between Europe and India/South Asia and shipping was a risky business. Ships owners were financially liable for losses. If a ship sank, ran aground, was attacked by pirates or otherwise lost cargo, passengers, or workers the owner had to settle. That meant the owner could lose everything they owned. So corporations were granted charters and limited liability. The most a stockholder could ever lose is the amount they paid for the stocks. Proposals like yours and corporate libertarians would give corporations an unfair advantage over other forms of businesses.
Much better would be to abolish personal income tax. And yes that would help corporations too, part of any business's tax burden is payroll taxes, abolish personal income tax and you also abolish payroll tax. Of course I hear the howling from corporatists, socialists, big government types, and others who support high taxes.
In fact, some Free Staters are working to explicitly rule that corporations are not people:
HCR1 - establishing that human beings, not corporations, are entitled to constitutional rights
I have a big problem with that bill, "In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Eleven". Now that may sound like a trivial objection but I still recall having a ruler forcefully applied to one of my hands for not reciting the pledge of allegiance with "Under God" in a public elementary school.
I think it is wonderful that at least one government is providing information in open formats (ahem, 'nerd-friendly, "pipe-separated" files'). I can't see the connection though between the "New Hampshire Liberty Alliance" (the group that seems to promoted the change according to the article), and the Free Staters.
The New Hampshire Liberty Alliance is about preserving and expanding liberty. The Free State Project is about getting enough people who care about liberty to move to New Hampshire and run as a candidate or vote for a candidate who will cast votes to hold up liberty. The initial hope was that enough people would move there to impact politics there. While there may not be any official connection between the two organizations they may share members. I'd be surprised of they didn't.
I thought of moving there myself but NH has a small area close to the coast and I love saltwater and scuba diving. If they had picked Maine, one of the Carolinas, or Florida it would have been better. Then again those states don't have Live Free or Die as a state motto.
Boy I'm glad you don't teach anyone I know. You don't seen to understand "Your byline sums it up, it this case it doesn't matter where the drop occurs, it still kills." It does not matter whether the 10,000 foot fall is over El Salvador or Guatemala, it still kills.
Wealthiest guy I know barely got through a fundamentalist Christian high-school. He had me type up a term paper for him that read like, "Cars. Cars are fast. I like cars. Some cars are red." He asked me to increase the font to 20points so that it would fill three pages. I wept. He got an apprenticeship as an electrician, and then went on to get a contractor's license. The jerk (he is a jerk actually) is rolling in money.
One, even though it wasn't a college degree or education he still received training, that is what apprenticeships are about. They are useful in other fields too, carpentry and plumbing for instance, but many positions are needed? One for every one hundred people? I doubt it. Construction can pay very well but when the economy depends on it things aren't good.
There are two ways to make money in this world. Do things other people can't, or do things other people won't. The first category usually requires a college degree. The second category usually doesn't.
Yet people still complain that immigrants, legal and illegal, are taking those jobs in the second category, as well as the first. Even there though, how many people are needed?
Yea, I'd love to have had parents like that. Then again, a few weeks ago I told my sister and brother-in-law I wish I had had their daughter's advantages. Six years old now she'd already started learning, in alphabetical order, American Sign Language, French, Irish, and Norwegian. She's in 1st grade in a Chinese immersion school. Now that may be too much pressure but she seems to like it.
Ubiquitous and inexpensive broadband access will be a non issue in 10 years.
I doubt fixing the education system would ever happen that fast.
>Oh, but you're going to require already struggling parents to pay for those too. And pay for chemistry and physics labs as well.
They already pay for it. Taxes.
>Wow, I agree finally but your suggestions do not solve the problems.
Well, you certainly aren't offering any solutions other than to stay static.
Which is generally agreed to be a problem. Are you offering any solutions?
>All they do is pass on the cost to those unable to afford them.
Can the marginalized afford the education system we have now?
If it's not working and people are remaining marginalized one would tend to guess no.
A system where people can access learning at their own pace allows everyone the opportunity
to learn no matter what circumstances they are in. (ie; use the computers at the public library)
Ubiquitous and inexpensive broadband access will be a non issue in 10 years.
As you said yourself we have a problem now, what good will it do fixing the problem in 10 years?
>Oh, but you're going to require already struggling parents to pay for those too. And pay for chemistry and physics labs as well.
They already pay for it. Taxes.
The cost of equipping a lab is spread out over a lot of tax payers, the cost of the same lab in a home is bared by the parents. Or do you think school districts are going to hand them out? HAHA!!!
Well, you certainly aren't offering any solutions other than to stay static.
As someone once said, I think it was you, not in this thread but in others I have. But here are more.
Hire professionals and pay them more. What do I mean? Don't hire someone who majored in teaching to teach chemistry or physics, hire someone who majored in chemistry or physics. And pay them as much as they would get working in other sectors, such as the businesses Corning and Dow Chemical. Base their pay on merit not seniority. Make teachers and principles accountable. Don't pass failing students because it will hurt their self-esteem. Fail them then give the help they need. Better than that, help them before they fail. Don't use one style or type of teaching, different people learn best in different ways. For instance some people thrive in a self-paced atmosphere, but others need extra assistance. Don't require but encourage parents to become more active in their children's education If the parents need it them have them take remedial classes themselves. And instead of large schools that warehouse children have more local schools that are smaller. Oh, and last for now, but certainly not least is allow school choice. Allow parents to send their child to a better school than what a bureaucrat says they have to go to, ie make schools accountable. Just don't pay religious education with tax dollars.
I'm not sure you have shared any of your 'social solutions' in this thread.
"No, not this thread same topic though."
For still others losers and slackers should
>be left behind. Hell for all I know you may support those as well.
Not sure where you're going here...
Are you referring to people with socialization problems or learning challenges?
Whatever, one's loser is someone who tries to someone else. Same with slackers. I recently told someone that while life has been a struggle I hate quitting. I'll keep trying as long as I can. To some my struggles are a sign I'm a loser, but to others all that matters is that I keep trying.
In a sense this happens to most people who start their own business. It usually takes 3 tymes for an entrepreneur to start a business before they as successful. I want to start my own business and I'd rather employ someone who does not quit than someone who's had it easy or has not faced failure. As someone once said "You're not a leader until you've failed".
You still need teachers and mentors. They are just utilized in a different context.
Most teachers would prefer to apply teaching skills to a tutorial focus rather
that standing and performing in front of a classroom full of people who would
rather be elsewhere.
And all that contact is still In Real Life, IRL, where the teacher can see at a glance that a student is having trouble.
Teachers would be online within the home educational system as
tutors. They would also handle examinations and curriculum modeling
within the scope of their academic specialties.
So broadband is required. Forget those who do not have internet access, there's still a lot of people who can't get broadband, Broadband access in U.S. still mainly for the well-off, Pew finds.. And that not including those who do not have computers. Oh, but you're going to require already struggling parents to pay for those too. And pay for chemistry and physics labs as well.
What we have right now is the one size fits all system. We bathe
children in the mediocrity of 'big education'. Large systems can
only be mediocre, that's the very nature of big-anything.
Wow, I agree finally but your suggestions do not solve the problems. All they do is pass on the cost to those unable to afford them.
Schools shouldn't need to buy computers
If you're working from the network at home, or even
using a library without requiring a computer, there should be no need
for the government to supply computers.
So parents have to buy them? And pay for net access? Will dial-up be fine? Or will broadband be needed? Because not everyone can even get it.
Even with HTML books, you don't need a computer for each child.
But you said to get rid of books. Along with a bunch of other stuff.
For a guy to exaggerates about 'Soylent Green' you sure make a big deal
Exactly where did I say anything about "Soylent Green" in the post you replied to? Hint, I didn't.
out of a comment regarding the social fixation with schools past and present. Do you stock in public schools or something?
I prefer my social solutions to your technical non-solutions. As if "If only enough technology is applied." Then again like most other posters, for you there is only one solution, though yours is more tech. For others it's more standardized testing. For still others losers and slackers should be left behind. Hell for all I know you may support those as well.
1: Netflix and online poker and cell phones and fancy cars and... The number of ways that adults piss away money when their kids are in trouble is astounding.
And that explains why they are all poor? Because they piss it away on these things?
parents MUST be responsible.
I agree but even the most responsible parent can lose everything. You know, well maybe you don't but others do, it used to the rule that people saved 6 months expenses for emergencies. Now it's a year's expenses. And that year can be wiped out fast. Even with health insurance a major disease, illness, or injury can cost more than that. Even though I had insurance, which covered part of the expense, I had one prescription years ago which cost me $120 a month. There are drugs that cost thousands of dollars, per dose.
2: Japan has a lot of teenage problems, but they are not from schoolwork so much as social pressures and issues at home.
Social and parental pressures brought on by school. If a student does poorly more pressure is placed on them until the only way out that they see is death.
I could have said Germany
Yea you could have, well let's look at Germany: Schools make slight PISA improvement. "While German students' scores for maths and sciences were slightly above the average for OECD countries, they still lagged behind the world’s top performers in Finland and South Korea, who tested one to two grade levels ahead."
It looks like education isn't so great there.
3: Look, either you improve or you end up a nobody or worse.
To be human means to care, and to be civilized means those unable are helped.
The major failing of U.S. education is that we think that every child should be saved.
No the major failing of US education is that people like you have this attitude that one size fits all.
Our education system needs to have more teeth in it and actually fail people.
Wow! I finally agree with you. But when people fail, the real failure is the education system. Different styles and way of teaching work better for some than for others. A lifetime ago I took intermediate algebra in college, after servicing in the military. It was in a regular class with lectures and homework. I got a "D" in the class. The following semester I took advanced algebra, registration was before finals, self paced. By the end of that semester I had a "B" for the class. But because I finished it in half the semester I used the rest of it to study trig. When finals ended I had an "A" average and only had one test to finish.
Self paced does not work for me well now, depending on the subject. Some subjects I need someone there I can ask for help, let me try on my own but be there in case. Other subjects I have to continually review, even a month without practicing I can lose it. Because of an injury I survived my memory is bad. Still others I have to have someone explain it, maybe more than once.
Stop underestimating the value of books and buildings.
c.) The money is better spent on ubiquitous lab materials for hands on experience
Where are these lab materials if not in a central local, like a school?
5.) Stop using schools to warehouse kids while parents are working.
I agree, but...
b.) focus on the basic skills and dump the extracurricular nonsense.
Who decides what the basic skills are? Who decides what "extracurricular nonsense" is? You?
You've also contradicted yourself, first you say use html not books then you say not to have a computer for each child. If computers are not used how is the html viewed? Printed? As in a book?
We're not in a wagon train anymore. People/society need to get out of the one room schoolhouse and *with* the program.
One room schoolhouses? Golly, I've never been in one of those. I have been in schools with hundreds of other students and had classes in portable buildings because there were not enough permanent buildings though.
That's what genetic engineering is about. Patent the seeds then charge every farmer to use seeds. If farmers don't use your seeds, or saves seeds, then they get sued.
Whoo... Nitrating Glycerin's not really what I would call something to do in a High School chem lab. It's really easy for even the pros to blow themselves up doing it.
Yea, a bathtub's better.
Actually the lab had a refrigerator/freezer where we mixed everything. Those bottles we filled we then packed into an ice filled cooler. Except when we took them out of the cooler to throw we kept them cold. And we didn't hold the jars long.
Then there's the one being set up to teach creationism...
I have repeatedly said I want no tax dollars paying for religious education and I would exclude any such funding. Hell above this post I questioned someone else about the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District case and whether they thought locals should decide what's taught.
After cherry picking the most able and easy to teach kids, these schools will no doubt do better in standardised exams, and everyone will proclaim how great school choice is.
Like nobody will offer to teach under achievers. If there money to be made businesses will do it. As will non-profits. Hell make schools more accountable, which what school choice is all about, and public school will improve. Businesses are bad and governments are good only to socialists. Well how many people have businesses killed versus those killed by governments? Do the math and governments win hands down.
Interestingly, the best school system in the world is in Finland, which doesn't have choice, just good quality, well-funded state schools,
According to you? Then why are so many students from other nations are trying to get into US schools? And how many are trying to get into Finish schools? And if they are so good why can't US schools, public and private, duplicate what the Finish do? Of course don't let reality intrude into your mind.
Now, I'll answer a couple of my own questions. According to Newsweek Finland does have the best education, but they do not offer any evidence. And the Asia Society disagrees saying Shanghai has the best. Though not the best according to McKinsey & Company Long Beach Unified School District, in the US, is in the top 20 worldwide. The Newsweek article also says that what Finland does is being duplicated in the US, "In the United States, KIPP charter schools enroll students from the poorest families and ensure that almost every one of them graduates high school—80 percent make it to college."
Slashdot Mirror
Your byline says nothing about dropping from 10 feet. It specifically says "10,000 feet". Since you're that stupid, or just trolling, this is my last reply on this subject.
Falcon
A reminder that New Hampshire is also considering approval voting
That is one of the Condorcet methods of voting.
Falcon
The point he made is that you could, if you want to live in Somalia, for example, which is apparently a libertarian paradise.
Selective cognition is selective.
It most certainly is.
Falcon
In New Hampshire they'll still be living under the large federal government. If they really want small government they should really think about emigrating altogether.
Why should those who believe what the USA's Founding Fathers believed be forced to leave because others have mangled the Constitution Of the USA? Because socialists and other big government types say they have to?
Falcon
That's boilerplate, of course, and not related to the bill itself or any particular bill.
"In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Eleven" does not need to be there, the only reason it would be there today is because someone wants to force their religion on others.
Falcon
A Corporation is not capable of spending money for consumption purposes, only the individuals who make up the corporation are, so why tax the entity at all?
Because corporations have an unfair advantage over other forms of business ownership. Say two businesses have their roofs collapse because of the weight of the snow on the roof, which has happened a number of tymes recently, and employees are injured. Say some are even killed. One was owned by a corporation and the other was owned by you, as a Sole proprietorship. The most a stockholder can lose is how much they paid for the stocks. You on the other hand can lose your business, your home, and everything you own.
Now are you going to say corporations should not pay taxes and enjoy such an advantage but you have to pay those taxes, and be held liable?
Falcon
Corporations don't pay taxes, their customers do. And with corporate tax rates at 0%, consumers end up spending much less for the things they need and businesses find it easier to expand and hire more employees.
If corporations pay no income tax but people do corporations get a free ride. Sole Proprietorships and Partnerships also hire employees yet their owners still have to pay income tax. Not only do owners have to pay tax they are also financially liable, for instance in case of an accident, whereas stock holders are not. The first corporations granted charters were given charters just because of this. The British East India Company was granted a charter in 1600 and the Dutch East India Company was granted a charter in 1602. Both were shipping companies running ships between Europe and India/South Asia and shipping was a risky business. Ships owners were financially liable for losses. If a ship sank, ran aground, was attacked by pirates or otherwise lost cargo, passengers, or workers the owner had to settle. That meant the owner could lose everything they owned. So corporations were granted charters and limited liability. The most a stockholder could ever lose is the amount they paid for the stocks. Proposals like yours and corporate libertarians would give corporations an unfair advantage over other forms of businesses.
Much better would be to abolish personal income tax. And yes that would help corporations too, part of any business's tax burden is payroll taxes, abolish personal income tax and you also abolish payroll tax. Of course I hear the howling from corporatists, socialists, big government types, and others who support high taxes.
Falcon
In fact, some Free Staters are working to explicitly rule that corporations are not people:
HCR1 - establishing that human beings, not corporations, are entitled to constitutional rights
I have a big problem with that bill, "In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Eleven". Now that may sound like a trivial objection but I still recall having a ruler forcefully applied to one of my hands for not reciting the pledge of allegiance with "Under God" in a public elementary school.
Falcon
I think it is wonderful that at least one government is providing information in open formats (ahem, 'nerd-friendly, "pipe-separated" files'). I can't see the connection though between the "New Hampshire Liberty Alliance" (the group that seems to promoted the change according to the article), and the Free Staters.
The New Hampshire Liberty Alliance is about preserving and expanding liberty. The Free State Project is about getting enough people who care about liberty to move to New Hampshire and run as a candidate or vote for a candidate who will cast votes to hold up liberty. The initial hope was that enough people would move there to impact politics there. While there may not be any official connection between the two organizations they may share members. I'd be surprised of they didn't.
I thought of moving there myself but NH has a small area close to the coast and I love saltwater and scuba diving. If they had picked Maine, one of the Carolinas, or Florida it would have been better. Then again those states don't have Live Free or Die as a state motto.
Falcon
Boy I'm glad you don't teach anyone I know. You don't seen to understand "Your byline sums it up, it this case it doesn't matter where the drop occurs, it still kills." It does not matter whether the 10,000 foot fall is over El Salvador or Guatemala, it still kills.
Falcon
Wealthiest guy I know barely got through a fundamentalist Christian high-school. He had me type up a term paper for him that read like, "Cars. Cars are fast. I like cars. Some cars are red." He asked me to increase the font to 20points so that it would fill three pages. I wept. He got an apprenticeship as an electrician, and then went on to get a contractor's license. The jerk (he is a jerk actually) is rolling in money.
One, even though it wasn't a college degree or education he still received training, that is what apprenticeships are about. They are useful in other fields too, carpentry and plumbing for instance, but many positions are needed? One for every one hundred people? I doubt it. Construction can pay very well but when the economy depends on it things aren't good.
There are two ways to make money in this world. Do things other people can't, or do things other people won't. The first category usually requires a college degree. The second category usually doesn't.
Yet people still complain that immigrants, legal and illegal, are taking those jobs in the second category, as well as the first. Even there though, how many people are needed?
Falcon
Yea, I'd love to have had parents like that. Then again, a few weeks ago I told my sister and brother-in-law I wish I had had their daughter's advantages. Six years old now she'd already started learning, in alphabetical order, American Sign Language, French, Irish, and Norwegian. She's in 1st grade in a Chinese immersion school. Now that may be too much pressure but she seems to like it.
Falcon
And being held back is in no way comparable to being told that you are irrevocably fucked for life.
Pressure is pressure no matter what it's applied for. Stress is stress. Duh.
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
Your byline sums it up, it this case it doesn't matter where the drop occurs, it still kills.
Falcon
Ubiquitous and inexpensive broadband access will be a non issue in 10 years. I doubt fixing the education system would ever happen that fast.
>Oh, but you're going to require already struggling parents to pay for those too. And pay for chemistry and physics labs as well.
They already pay for it. Taxes.
>Wow, I agree finally but your suggestions do not solve the problems.
Well, you certainly aren't offering any solutions other than to stay static. Which is generally agreed to be a problem. Are you offering any solutions?
>All they do is pass on the cost to those unable to afford them.
Can the marginalized afford the education system we have now? If it's not working and people are remaining marginalized one would tend to guess no. A system where people can access learning at their own pace allows everyone the opportunity to learn no matter what circumstances they are in. (ie; use the computers at the public library)
Ubiquitous and inexpensive broadband access will be a non issue in 10 years.
As you said yourself we have a problem now, what good will it do fixing the problem in 10 years?
They already pay for it. Taxes.
The cost of equipping a lab is spread out over a lot of tax payers, the cost of the same lab in a home is bared by the parents. Or do you think school districts are going to hand them out? HAHA!!!
Well, you certainly aren't offering any solutions other than to stay static.
As someone once said, I think it was you, not in this thread but in others I have. But here are more.
Hire professionals and pay them more. What do I mean? Don't hire someone who majored in teaching to teach chemistry or physics, hire someone who majored in chemistry or physics. And pay them as much as they would get working in other sectors, such as the businesses Corning and Dow Chemical. Base their pay on merit not seniority. Make teachers and principles accountable. Don't pass failing students because it will hurt their self-esteem. Fail them then give the help they need. Better than that, help them before they fail. Don't use one style or type of teaching, different people learn best in different ways. For instance some people thrive in a self-paced atmosphere, but others need extra assistance. Don't require but encourage parents to become more active in their children's education If the parents need it them have them take remedial classes themselves. And instead of large schools that warehouse children have more local schools that are smaller. Oh, and last for now, but certainly not least is allow school choice. Allow parents to send their child to a better school than what a bureaucrat says they have to go to, ie make schools accountable. Just don't pay religious education with tax dollars.
Falcon
I'm not sure you have shared any of your 'social solutions' in this thread.
"No, not this thread same topic though."
Not sure where you're going here...
Are you referring to people with socialization problems or learning challenges?
Whatever, one's loser is someone who tries to someone else. Same with slackers. I recently told someone that while life has been a struggle I hate quitting. I'll keep trying as long as I can. To some my struggles are a sign I'm a loser, but to others all that matters is that I keep trying.
In a sense this happens to most people who start their own business. It usually takes 3 tymes for an entrepreneur to start a business before they as successful. I want to start my own business and I'd rather employ someone who does not quit than someone who's had it easy or has not faced failure. As someone once said "You're not a leader until you've failed".
Falcon
You still need teachers and mentors. They are just utilized in a different context.
Most teachers would prefer to apply teaching skills to a tutorial focus rather
that standing and performing in front of a classroom full of people who would
rather be elsewhere.
And all that contact is still In Real Life, IRL, where the teacher can see at a glance that a student is having trouble.
Teachers would be online within the home educational system as
tutors. They would also handle examinations and curriculum modeling
within the scope of their academic specialties.
So broadband is required. Forget those who do not have internet access, there's still a lot of people who can't get broadband, Broadband access in U.S. still mainly for the well-off, Pew finds.. And that not including those who do not have computers. Oh, but you're going to require already struggling parents to pay for those too. And pay for chemistry and physics labs as well.
What we have right now is the one size fits all system. We bathe children in the mediocrity of 'big education'. Large systems can only be mediocre, that's the very nature of big-anything.
Wow, I agree finally but your suggestions do not solve the problems. All they do is pass on the cost to those unable to afford them.
Falcon
Just as was the post I replied to.. Oh, that was yours.
Falcon
Schools shouldn't need to buy computers
If you're working from the network at home, or even
using a library without requiring a computer, there should be no need
for the government to supply computers.
So parents have to buy them? And pay for net access? Will dial-up be fine? Or will broadband be needed? Because not everyone can even get it.
Even with HTML books, you don't need a computer for each child.
But you said to get rid of books. Along with a bunch of other stuff.
For a guy to exaggerates about 'Soylent Green' you sure make a big deal
Exactly where did I say anything about "Soylent Green" in the post you replied to? Hint, I didn't.
out of a comment regarding the social fixation with schools past and present. Do you stock in public schools or something?
I prefer my social solutions to your technical non-solutions. As if "If only enough technology is applied." Then again like most other posters, for you there is only one solution, though yours is more tech. For others it's more standardized testing. For still others losers and slackers should be left behind. Hell for all I know you may support those as well.
Faclon
It has to deal with it because the pressure drives the suicide rate. The more pressure the more people are stressed too much. Duh.
Falcon
1: Netflix and online poker and cell phones and fancy cars and... The number of ways that adults piss away money when their kids are in trouble is astounding.
And that explains why they are all poor? Because they piss it away on these things?
parents MUST be responsible.
I agree but even the most responsible parent can lose everything. You know, well maybe you don't but others do, it used to the rule that people saved 6 months expenses for emergencies. Now it's a year's expenses. And that year can be wiped out fast. Even with health insurance a major disease, illness, or injury can cost more than that. Even though I had insurance, which covered part of the expense, I had one prescription years ago which cost me $120 a month. There are drugs that cost thousands of dollars, per dose.
2: Japan has a lot of teenage problems, but they are not from schoolwork so much as social pressures and issues at home.
Social and parental pressures brought on by school. If a student does poorly more pressure is placed on them until the only way out that they see is death.
I could have said Germany
Yea you could have, well let's look at Germany:
Schools make slight PISA improvement. "While German students' scores for maths and sciences were slightly above the average for OECD countries, they still lagged behind the world’s top performers in Finland and South Korea, who tested one to two grade levels ahead."
It looks like education isn't so great there.
3: Look, either you improve or you end up a nobody or worse.
To be human means to care, and to be civilized means those unable are helped.
The major failing of U.S. education is that we think that every child should be saved.
No the major failing of US education is that people like you have this attitude that one size fits all.
Our education system needs to have more teeth in it and actually fail people.
Wow! I finally agree with you. But when people fail, the real failure is the education system. Different styles and way of teaching work better for some than for others. A lifetime ago I took intermediate algebra in college, after servicing in the military. It was in a regular class with lectures and homework. I got a "D" in the class. The following semester I took advanced algebra, registration was before finals, self paced. By the end of that semester I had a "B" for the class. But because I finished it in half the semester I used the rest of it to study trig. When finals ended I had an "A" average and only had one test to finish.
Self paced does not work for me well now, depending on the subject. Some subjects I need someone there I can ask for help, let me try on my own but be there in case. Other subjects I have to continually review, even a month without practicing I can lose it. Because of an injury I survived my memory is bad. Still others I have to have someone explain it, maybe more than once.
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Just as was the post I replied to. Hey that was yours.
Falcon
Stop underestimating the value of books and buildings.
c.) The money is better spent on ubiquitous lab materials for hands on experience
Where are these lab materials if not in a central local, like a school?
5.) Stop using schools to warehouse kids while parents are working.
I agree, but...
b.) focus on the basic skills and dump the extracurricular nonsense.
Who decides what the basic skills are? Who decides what "extracurricular nonsense" is? You?
You've also contradicted yourself, first you say use html not books then you say not to have a computer for each child. If computers are not used how is the html viewed? Printed? As in a book?
We're not in a wagon train anymore. People/society need to get out of the one room schoolhouse and *with* the program.
One room schoolhouses? Golly, I've never been in one of those. I have been in schools with hundreds of other students and had classes in portable buildings because there were not enough permanent buildings though.
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20 cents for one radish seed?
That's what genetic engineering is about. Patent the seeds then charge every farmer to use seeds. If farmers don't use your seeds, or saves seeds, then they get sued.
Fact is is that there is not a shortage of food. The problem is what is done with it as well as distribution. In the US more corn is grown to feed cattle, who naturally eat grass not corn, than what people eat. Other animals raised for food require more land for growing their own feedstock. Then there are problems with food distribution and storage. Food grains rotting due to poor storage in Punjab. Empty stomachs, rotting food stocks. Enough: Why the World's Poorest Starve in an Age of Plenty.
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Whoo... Nitrating Glycerin's not really what I would call something to do in a High School chem lab. It's really easy for even the pros to blow themselves up doing it.
Yea, a bathtub's better.
Actually the lab had a refrigerator/freezer where we mixed everything. Those bottles we filled we then packed into an ice filled cooler. Except when we took them out of the cooler to throw we kept them cold. And we didn't hold the jars long.
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Then there's the one being set up to teach creationism...
I have repeatedly said I want no tax dollars paying for religious education and I would exclude any such funding. Hell above this post I questioned someone else about the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District case and whether they thought locals should decide what's taught.
After cherry picking the most able and easy to teach kids, these schools will no doubt do better in standardised exams, and everyone will proclaim how great school choice is.
Like nobody will offer to teach under achievers. If there money to be made businesses will do it. As will non-profits. Hell make schools more accountable, which what school choice is all about, and public school will improve. Businesses are bad and governments are good only to socialists. Well how many people have businesses killed versus those killed by governments? Do the math and governments win hands down.
Interestingly, the best school system in the world is in Finland, which doesn't have choice, just good quality, well-funded state schools,
According to you? Then why are so many students from other nations are trying to get into US schools? And how many are trying to get into Finish schools? And if they are so good why can't US schools, public and private, duplicate what the Finish do? Of course don't let reality intrude into your mind.
Now, I'll answer a couple of my own questions. According to Newsweek Finland does have the best education, but they do not offer any evidence. And the Asia Society disagrees saying Shanghai has the best. Though not the best according to McKinsey & Company Long Beach Unified School District, in the US, is in the top 20 worldwide. The Newsweek article also says that what Finland does is being duplicated in the US, "In the United States, KIPP charter schools enroll students from the poorest families and ensure that almost every one of them graduates high school—80 percent make it to college."
Oops, don't let reality intrude.
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