Even US Constitution itself does not claim to contain the exhaustive list of all civil rights, so Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a much better authority on the subject.
Not for the US. For the US the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Of course nobody follows it.
how many middle-aged people worship at the altar of "Stairway to Heaven"?
I'm middle-aged and a lot of the people I grew up with love Pink Floyd and "Stairway to Heaven".
I love my old music, but there's quite a lot of good music still being made, in every genre.
Same here. Not only do I love old music but I'd like to get a turntable to play it on, there are a couple of stores near me that sells vinyl records. I went into one to browse and almost wanted to run to the store to buy a turntable when I came across an Otis Redding album with "(Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay" on it. I love that song. I don't listen to music much now but the last performers I liked and bought a CD of was Norah Jones and Neko Case.
CDs are selling like you wouldn't believe it - apparently people are willing to pay $2 for a CD from a group they never heard of
That is just fantastic! Amazingly cool. Capatalism for the win! I hope that idea speads to America.
Actually it has been here for years. I live in Minneapolis and there's at least one shop I can walk to within half an hour where I can buy music from local bands. What I found amazing at first is that they press vinyl records.
I don't pirate it either. I just do without. Why? Because I can't bring myself to give my hard earned money to the thieving cocksuckers that comprise the RIAA and contribute to their program of turning the internet into a police state.
Why don't you try to use the internet against the RIAA? You can legally download music from a number of websites. Some of them are:
Public Education isn't a right civil or otherwise, you moron!
Go, read for yourself
While it is part of the UN's Declaration of Rights it's not part of the USA's Constitution and in the US the Constitution is supposed to be supreme law of the land.
See, this is where the fanboys fall down frothing at the mouth. For starters, I have to be able to use Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign.
No, I think this is fanboyism. Though not everyone can, many people are able to use GIMP or CinePaint to replace Photoshop. Actually when I've said before that GIMP was not a drop-in replacement for Photoshop I've gotten a bunch of replies just as sarcastic as yours. I've been wanting to start a photography business and I will try CinePaint to see if it will work for me before I spend money on Photoshop. Actually I did try it on my Mac however the Mac version is not native instead it requires X11 and I wasn't able to get it to work. So I may install Ubuntu on my Mac so I can test CinePaint. For Illustrator I'll try Inkscape first. If I wanted to do desktop publishing, I have no plan to, I'd try Scribus before I got InDesign.
No it may end up I need CS4 because they won't work for me but they do work for plenty of others and I am willing to try this.
Now, I have to use those because all my peers throughout the industry are going to be using those same exact tools.
Peer pressure is no reason you have to use them. Open source software can save in the same file formats and are capable of some of the same things, even if differently, as Adobe products in many cases.
When a firm hires me to do work for them, they expect me to be able to use the defacto tools for the trade.
And you want to work for them? It shouldn't matter to clients what you use as long as you do the job in the tyme specified.
Next up, games.
I don't play games but if I ever do I can go to Yahoo! Games. I did buy some game CDs but that was before 2000.
Development. Sorry, no substitute for XCode on Linux.
I have yet to use XCode on my Mac though I do use Eclipse which is cross platform. Now if I ever try Objective-C I may try XCode but I'd rather program in C/C++. If you look at this thread I do ask another programmer about whether Objective-C is cross platform.
If I'm writing apps for OS X or the iPhone, guess what?, you need OS X and an iPhone simulator.
I don't disagree but as may be concluded from above I want to program cross platform, Linux, OS X, and Windows.
You substitute cranks are all the same. You see some one complain about Linux not having the par software, and hold up a supposed equivalent which (most of the time) not only pales in comparison, but is outright inferior to the defacto standard tool.
And fanboys are all the same, they cry an open source alternative won't work but they fail to try or to say why. If this isn't you, explain exactly why these alternatives will not work.
So wait... the fact that an optimization algorithm will... you know... optimize things (yielding the 1 optimal solution eventually) needs a citation
Can you point out anywhere in the post you replied to where I even used the word "algorithm"? Or is this FUD?
but the "fact" that if that same algorithm "overlooks some things" there will be "mutual survival" (word invented just for this post ? I'm honored)
"Invented just for this post? If you honestly believe that you do not know much at all about evolution, here try this: evolution "mutual survival" science.
Good for what though? Different uses have different requirements.
try to get a mac with the specs the PC has, which most often is useless and impossible since the configuration options are so limited)
Oh, I agree. As I've said repeatedly I wish Apple would develop more lines of computers, such as a mid tower that's expandable but only costs half what the Mac Pro does. For whatever reason Steve Jobs doesn't want to make systems for markets that would like something like this, which I think is wrong.
I can't count how many times over the years someone on/. has said "Oh, Macs and PCs are the same price!", and how many times I've gone to Dell's website and Apple's website to compare. Every single time the PCs are cheaper.
For me it's the opposite, the Apple is cheaper. But maybe I didn't spend long enough searching the Dell website. With Apple it's pretty easy to find the right computer, that is if Apple makes what you're looking for. There's only one store to search. The Dell website on the other hand is different. Do you want to look at the Home/Home Office, the Small and Medium Business, or the Large Business section?
What is the RPM of the HD? Can the graphics drive a bigger and higher resolution monitor? What is the quality of it? I ask this because the first tyme I used a brand new Dell it froze when I started booting it up. It had XP and I don't know if it froze because of the hardware or because of XP. And what OS is installed? I switched from Windows because I don't like it that Microsoft wants to treat me like a criminal. If Windows is removed as a choice that leaves Linux and Macs. For what I wanted the laptop for, graphics & photography and development I didn't know if a Linux laptop would do what I wanted it for. But I knew the Mac would.
As another data point, I have also had trouble with Apple hardware.
The first tyme I had trouble with Apple hardware was after I had Macs I bought used and owned for years. A Mac SE30 I bought in 1992 lasted until 2000. Shortly after that I bought a Powermac 7300/200 used as well. It died in 2006. The Windows PCs I bought new were totally different. Of 4 new PCs I bought new I had to replace the HDD and motherboard of three of them in the first year.
In the end, I sold it because a subcompact without a working trackpad was useless to me.
Did you try an external mouse? I use a trackball myself.
Long story short, I'll stick with cheap, reliable hardware and run Linux on it.
In my experience Apple hardware is reliable. However I'm thinking of installing Ubuntu on my Mac.
why do I need to pay A$700-A$2500 more for an Apple then the competing models.
Maybe Apple prices are higher Downunder. Before buying my Mac I compared it's price to a few Windows OEM prices and they were about the same. Earlier someone else said he thought Apple prices were higher in Spain, where he lived.
Mac will have a slower CPU and will always have a smaller HDD and less RAM*
When I've compared prices usually the Mac had the same or a slightly faster CPU than Windows OEMs. Apple does charge an arm and a leg for more RAM though. One employee at an Apple store told me it would be better to buy RAM from somewhere else then install it. My Mac came with instructions on how to add RAM.
you must provide verbatim source code, possibly with a full language specification, and documentation.
Software is already protected with copyrights. But then again with copyright terms being so long maybe it would be better to patent software. At least then it wouldn't be closed and protected for ever.
Furthermore, what also never gets mentioned is the evolution "endgame". Only the fittest survive, will eventually result in the survival of a single species. We have no idea what type of species that will be, whether it might be us, or some other species. However, in the (very) long run evolution theory is quite clear : there can be only one.
Citation needed. I know evolution says only the most adaptable, fittest, or strongest specimens within a species are supposed to survive but can you point out where evolution says only one species will survive? That theory, that only the fittest survive, also overlooks some things. Such as mutual survival.
Furthermore economics 101 yields the trivial result that economic migration is a net-negative influence for both the country accepting the migrants *AND* the country losing it's people. The best economic migration policy is to outlaw migration alltogether, and only allow for tourism and business travel.
Citation needed again.
Since I asked for citations I'll provide some myself. Studies show Immigration Fuels Entrepreneurship. Immigrants are more likely to start their own businesses thus increasing employment which benefits everyone.
Yes it is a theory, a scientific theory which is and has been tested but has not been falsified. There is no evidence evolution is not correct. Anything else is religious mumbo jumbo.
I did not evolve from a monkey
I find that more plausible than some magician waving his wand in the sky.
I am glad you also live a happy and productive life with your believes too
I wish I did but I'm don't. I had an accident and survived a permanent disability. The accident put me in a coma and I was after I came out of it I screamed at everyone to let me die. Even today, more than 10 years later, I still wish I had died.
and just wish others would too, rather than just saying "my imaginary friend is better than yours"
Oh I agree but unfortunately there are many who feel insecure about their religious beliefs or feel their religion calls them to convert and therefore dictate to others how they will live. Thing is with me, one of the things that bothers me is that while I am now agnostic or "without knowledge" I used to believe in a soul or spirit. That is one of the things I lost because of the accident.
If that is your claim, then what is the harm in teaching both theories?
I don't care if creationism is taught, where it belongs in a philosophy, religion, mythology or other class but it does not belong in a science class. And if it's going to be taught in other classes then other creation mythologies should be taught alongside it. Such as the The Navajo Creation Story and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
And creationism is no more scientifically discontinuous than evolution is.
Evolution is a scientific theory but creationism IS NOT. And Intelligent Design is just an attempt to sneak creationism into the science class.
yes, god forbid the crippled be able to take advantage of the facility.
Any crippled and disabled people to use stairs could have used the first floor. Fact is it's stupid to force the cancellation of a homeless shelter just because disabled did not have an elevator to use. And I say that as someone who has a disability. Adding costs that are not needed only serves to restrict help for everyone.
Ah I suppose I hadn't thought of that. Sexism is pretty bad.
Well polygyny goes back thousands of years. Semites, descendants of Shem, which both Arabs and Hebrews are believed in a man being able to have up to 4 wives. But only if then man could take of of them, and in some cases a man would take a second, third or fourth wife if the previous wives did not bare him a child. Actually that's what happened with the split between Arabs and Hebrews. Abraham was a Semite married to Sarah. She didn't bare him a child so she gave her slave Hagar, yes they had slaves, to him so Hagar would bare him a child. Hagar bore him Ismael. Only after Ishmael was born did Sarah bare him a child too, Isaac. Then Sarah forced Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael away. So, Arabs descended from Ishmael and Hebrews from Isaac.
However the Middle Eastern tribes weren't the only cultures who practiced polygyny. It was practiced in what's present day China and other places. As for polygamy where both males and females could have more than one spouse, that I know of it was only practiced by one or more Indian tribes in South America. The Zoe or The Marrying Tribe of the Amazon had both sexes marrying more than one spouse.
Most Protestants would believe those 5 fundamentals you list, and I suggest most Christians
I don't know though I think it depends on how you define "Christian". Using one definition I am Christian myself but using another I'm not. That may sound mixed up or something, so I'll try to explain. I try to live by Jesus's teachings, if he really lived. See I don't believe or know if such a person in fact did live, and therefore I don't believe or have faith he was the "Son of God". Instead I think that if he did live he may of been a great teacher but that's it. If so he was but one in a line of great teachers. Others were Lao Tzu, the Buddha, and maybe even Mohammed. Thomas Jefferson too was like this, didn't believe Jesus was the "Son of God", he was a Deist.
Back on topic: the vocal minority of Fundamentalists that believe in young earth creationism get the belief from a strict adherence to the 2nd half of your first point, that "[Scripture] is without error and free of contradiction". They take this to mean that the Bible should therefore be read literally, so when it says things like "God created the earth in 7 days" that means 7 * 24hours to them. If the book of Revelation talks about some sort of beast, it means a creature like that will really, literally come to Earth at some point in the future.
Thomas Jefferson took the Bible and cut out all the stuff about miracles, the supernatural, and such and created his own Jefferson Bible. It wasn't to be taken literally but as a guide on how to live.
God won't allow that to happen because the Chinese are a bunch of dirty atheists.
Except there are a lot of people who believe in a "God" or gods. Counting just Roman Catholics there are millions in China. There are a number of Jews in China as well as Muslims. Fact is is there are a lot of people in China who believe in one or more gods.
With such a big concept as creation vs. evolution, why can they not just be made to teach that these are the two primary theories in existence, and present them in an unbiased manner?
Because creationism IS NOT science and does not belong in a science class.
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Even US Constitution itself does not claim to contain the exhaustive list of all civil rights, so Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a much better authority on the subject.
Not for the US. For the US the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Of course nobody follows it.
Falcon
how many middle-aged people worship at the altar of "Stairway to Heaven"?
I'm middle-aged and a lot of the people I grew up with love Pink Floyd and "Stairway to Heaven".
I love my old music, but there's quite a lot of good music still being made, in every genre.
Same here. Not only do I love old music but I'd like to get a turntable to play it on, there are a couple of stores near me that sells vinyl records. I went into one to browse and almost wanted to run to the store to buy a turntable when I came across an Otis Redding album with "(Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay" on it. I love that song. I don't listen to music much now but the last performers I liked and bought a CD of was Norah Jones and Neko Case.
Falcon
CDs are selling like you wouldn't believe it - apparently people are willing to pay $2 for a CD from a group they never heard of
That is just fantastic! Amazingly cool. Capatalism for the win! I hope that idea speads to America.
Actually it has been here for years. I live in Minneapolis and there's at least one shop I can walk to within half an hour where I can buy music from local bands. What I found amazing at first is that they press vinyl records.
Falcon
Anything that helps in the fight against these lawsuits is good news and, to me, at least, highly "relevant".
What about the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement though? It seems to me ACTA can do a lot of damage.
Falcon
I don't pirate it either. I just do without. Why? Because I can't bring myself to give my hard earned money to the thieving cocksuckers that comprise the RIAA and contribute to their program of turning the internet into a police state.
Why don't you try to use the internet against the RIAA? You can legally download music from a number of websites. Some of them are:
Now you may not find music you like but you might.
Falcon
Public Education isn't a right civil or otherwise, you moron!
Go, read for yourself
While it is part of the UN's Declaration of Rights it's not part of the USA's Constitution and in the US the Constitution is supposed to be supreme law of the land.
Falcon
See, this is where the fanboys fall down frothing at the mouth. For starters, I have to be able to use Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign.
No, I think this is fanboyism. Though not everyone can, many people are able to use GIMP or CinePaint to replace Photoshop. Actually when I've said before that GIMP was not a drop-in replacement for Photoshop I've gotten a bunch of replies just as sarcastic as yours. I've been wanting to start a photography business and I will try CinePaint to see if it will work for me before I spend money on Photoshop. Actually I did try it on my Mac however the Mac version is not native instead it requires X11 and I wasn't able to get it to work. So I may install Ubuntu on my Mac so I can test CinePaint. For Illustrator I'll try Inkscape first. If I wanted to do desktop publishing, I have no plan to, I'd try Scribus before I got InDesign.
No it may end up I need CS4 because they won't work for me but they do work for plenty of others and I am willing to try this.
Now, I have to use those because all my peers throughout the industry are going to be using those same exact tools.
Peer pressure is no reason you have to use them. Open source software can save in the same file formats and are capable of some of the same things, even if differently, as Adobe products in many cases.
When a firm hires me to do work for them, they expect me to be able to use the defacto tools for the trade.
And you want to work for them? It shouldn't matter to clients what you use as long as you do the job in the tyme specified.
Next up, games.
I don't play games but if I ever do I can go to Yahoo! Games. I did buy some game CDs but that was before 2000.
Development. Sorry, no substitute for XCode on Linux.
I have yet to use XCode on my Mac though I do use Eclipse which is cross platform. Now if I ever try Objective-C I may try XCode but I'd rather program in C/C++. If you look at this thread I do ask another programmer about whether Objective-C is cross platform.
If I'm writing apps for OS X or the iPhone, guess what?, you need OS X and an iPhone simulator.
I don't disagree but as may be concluded from above I want to program cross platform, Linux, OS X, and Windows.
You substitute cranks are all the same. You see some one complain about Linux not having the par software, and hold up a supposed equivalent which (most of the time) not only pales in comparison, but is outright inferior to the defacto standard tool.
And fanboys are all the same, they cry an open source alternative won't work but they fail to try or to say why. If this isn't you, explain exactly why these alternatives will not work.
Falcon
So wait ... the fact that an optimization algorithm will ... you know ... optimize things (yielding the 1 optimal solution eventually) needs a citation
Can you point out anywhere in the post you replied to where I even used the word "algorithm"? Or is this FUD?
but the "fact" that if that same algorithm "overlooks some things" there will be "mutual survival" (word invented just for this post ? I'm honored)
"Invented just for this post? If you honestly believe that you do not know much at all about evolution, here try this: evolution "mutual survival" science.
I'm ending here.
Falcon
Good for what though? Different uses have different requirements.
try to get a mac with the specs the PC has, which most often is useless and impossible since the configuration options are so limited)
Oh, I agree. As I've said repeatedly I wish Apple would develop more lines of computers, such as a mid tower that's expandable but only costs half what the Mac Pro does. For whatever reason Steve Jobs doesn't want to make systems for markets that would like something like this, which I think is wrong.
Falcon
I can't count how many times over the years someone on /. has said "Oh, Macs and PCs are the same price!", and how many times I've gone to Dell's website and Apple's website to compare. Every single time the PCs are cheaper.
For me it's the opposite, the Apple is cheaper. But maybe I didn't spend long enough searching the Dell website. With Apple it's pretty easy to find the right computer, that is if Apple makes what you're looking for. There's only one store to search. The Dell website on the other hand is different. Do you want to look at the Home/Home Office, the Small and Medium Business, or the Large Business section?
Dell Studio 17" w/ 2.66 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 Gigs memory, 320 Gig HD, 1920x1200 display: $1940
What is the RPM of the HD? Can the graphics drive a bigger and higher resolution monitor? What is the quality of it? I ask this because the first tyme I used a brand new Dell it froze when I started booting it up. It had XP and I don't know if it froze because of the hardware or because of XP. And what OS is installed? I switched from Windows because I don't like it that Microsoft wants to treat me like a criminal. If Windows is removed as a choice that leaves Linux and Macs. For what I wanted the laptop for, graphics & photography and development I didn't know if a Linux laptop would do what I wanted it for. But I knew the Mac would.
Falcon
I do support Linux.
I find it sad that on a site where open systems such as Linux are loved over Microsoft, Apple seem to be loved fanatically over Linux
I do like Linux but I prefer Macs. My favorite hardware/OS though was the Amiga.
Falcon
As another data point, I have also had trouble with Apple hardware.
The first tyme I had trouble with Apple hardware was after I had Macs I bought used and owned for years. A Mac SE30 I bought in 1992 lasted until 2000. Shortly after that I bought a Powermac 7300/200 used as well. It died in 2006. The Windows PCs I bought new were totally different. Of 4 new PCs I bought new I had to replace the HDD and motherboard of three of them in the first year.
In the end, I sold it because a subcompact without a working trackpad was useless to me.
Did you try an external mouse? I use a trackball myself.
Long story short, I'll stick with cheap, reliable hardware and run Linux on it.
In my experience Apple hardware is reliable. However I'm thinking of installing Ubuntu on my Mac.
Falcon
why do I need to pay A$700-A$2500 more for an Apple then the competing models.
Maybe Apple prices are higher Downunder. Before buying my Mac I compared it's price to a few Windows OEM prices and they were about the same. Earlier someone else said he thought Apple prices were higher in Spain, where he lived.
Mac will have a slower CPU and will always have a smaller HDD and less RAM*
When I've compared prices usually the Mac had the same or a slightly faster CPU than Windows OEMs. Apple does charge an arm and a leg for more RAM though. One employee at an Apple store told me it would be better to buy RAM from somewhere else then install it. My Mac came with instructions on how to add RAM.
Fslcon
you must provide verbatim source code, possibly with a full language specification, and documentation.
Software is already protected with copyrights. But then again with copyright terms being so long maybe it would be better to patent software. At least then it wouldn't be closed and protected for ever.
Falcon
Furthermore, what also never gets mentioned is the evolution "endgame". Only the fittest survive, will eventually result in the survival of a single species. We have no idea what type of species that will be, whether it might be us, or some other species. However, in the (very) long run evolution theory is quite clear : there can be only one.
Citation needed. I know evolution says only the most adaptable, fittest, or strongest specimens within a species are supposed to survive but can you point out where evolution says only one species will survive? That theory, that only the fittest survive, also overlooks some things. Such as mutual survival.
Furthermore economics 101 yields the trivial result that economic migration is a net-negative influence for both the country accepting the migrants *AND* the country losing it's people. The best economic migration policy is to outlaw migration alltogether, and only allow for tourism and business travel.
Citation needed again.
Since I asked for citations I'll provide some myself. Studies show Immigration Fuels Entrepreneurship. Immigrants are more likely to start their own businesses thus increasing employment which benefits everyone.
Falcon
It is a "theory"
Yes it is a theory, a scientific theory which is and has been tested but has not been falsified. There is no evidence evolution is not correct. Anything else is religious mumbo jumbo.
I did not evolve from a monkey
I find that more plausible than some magician waving his wand in the sky.
Falcon
I am glad you also live a happy and productive life with your believes too
I wish I did but I'm don't. I had an accident and survived a permanent disability. The accident put me in a coma and I was after I came out of it I screamed at everyone to let me die. Even today, more than 10 years later, I still wish I had died.
and just wish others would too, rather than just saying "my imaginary friend is better than yours"
Oh I agree but unfortunately there are many who feel insecure about their religious beliefs or feel their religion calls them to convert and therefore dictate to others how they will live. Thing is with me, one of the things that bothers me is that while I am now agnostic or "without knowledge" I used to believe in a soul or spirit. That is one of the things I lost because of the accident.
Falcon
If that is your claim, then what is the harm in teaching both theories?
I don't care if creationism is taught, where it belongs in a philosophy, religion, mythology or other class but it does not belong in a science class. And if it's going to be taught in other classes then other creation mythologies should be taught alongside it. Such as the The Navajo Creation Story and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
And creationism is no more scientifically discontinuous than evolution is.
Evolution is a scientific theory but creationism IS NOT. And Intelligent Design is just an attempt to sneak creationism into the science class.
Falcon
yes, god forbid the crippled be able to take advantage of the facility.
Any crippled and disabled people to use stairs could have used the first floor. Fact is it's stupid to force the cancellation of a homeless shelter just because disabled did not have an elevator to use. And I say that as someone who has a disability. Adding costs that are not needed only serves to restrict help for everyone.
Falcon
Ah I suppose I hadn't thought of that. Sexism is pretty bad.
Well polygyny goes back thousands of years. Semites, descendants of Shem, which both Arabs and Hebrews are believed in a man being able to have up to 4 wives. But only if then man could take of of them, and in some cases a man would take a second, third or fourth wife if the previous wives did not bare him a child. Actually that's what happened with the split between Arabs and Hebrews. Abraham was a Semite married to Sarah. She didn't bare him a child so she gave her slave Hagar, yes they had slaves, to him so Hagar would bare him a child. Hagar bore him Ismael. Only after Ishmael was born did Sarah bare him a child too, Isaac. Then Sarah forced Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael away. So, Arabs descended from Ishmael and Hebrews from Isaac.
However the Middle Eastern tribes weren't the only cultures who practiced polygyny. It was practiced in what's present day China and other places. As for polygamy where both males and females could have more than one spouse, that I know of it was only practiced by one or more Indian tribes in South America. The Zoe or The Marrying Tribe of the Amazon had both sexes marrying more than one spouse.
Falcon
If it were polygamy it'd be fine with me but it isn't. Instead it's polygyny.
Falcon
Most Protestants would believe those 5 fundamentals you list, and I suggest most Christians
I don't know though I think it depends on how you define "Christian". Using one definition I am Christian myself but using another I'm not. That may sound mixed up or something, so I'll try to explain. I try to live by Jesus's teachings, if he really lived. See I don't believe or know if such a person in fact did live, and therefore I don't believe or have faith he was the "Son of God". Instead I think that if he did live he may of been a great teacher but that's it. If so he was but one in a line of great teachers. Others were Lao Tzu, the Buddha, and maybe even Mohammed. Thomas Jefferson too was like this, didn't believe Jesus was the "Son of God", he was a Deist.
Back on topic: the vocal minority of Fundamentalists that believe in young earth creationism get the belief from a strict adherence to the 2nd half of your first point, that "[Scripture] is without error and free of contradiction". They take this to mean that the Bible should therefore be read literally, so when it says things like "God created the earth in 7 days" that means 7 * 24hours to them. If the book of Revelation talks about some sort of beast, it means a creature like that will really, literally come to Earth at some point in the future.
Thomas Jefferson took the Bible and cut out all the stuff about miracles, the supernatural, and such and created his own Jefferson Bible. It wasn't to be taken literally but as a guide on how to live.
Falcon
Seems like all the ID-ists/Creationist are Anonymous Cowards
I've read a number of posts by people who used their ID to post who were IDers/Creationists.
Falcon
God won't allow that to happen because the Chinese are a bunch of dirty atheists.
Except there are a lot of people who believe in a "God" or gods. Counting just Roman Catholics there are millions in China. There are a number of Jews in China as well as Muslims. Fact is is there are a lot of people in China who believe in one or more gods.
Falcon
With such a big concept as creation vs. evolution, why can they not just be made to teach that these are the two primary theories in existence, and present them in an unbiased manner?
Because creationism IS NOT science and does not belong in a science class.
Falcon