I'm on record as hoping Obama might either reverse himself or satisfactorily explain himself on this, so I could again support him.
I supported Obama as the Democrat presidential candidate before his vote to give telcoms immunity but because of his vote I can't now. His picking Biden as his running mate makes it even worse. If I didn't have anyone else to vote for I'd vote for McCain. Luckily I do though, I'm voting for Bob Barr.
Those are isolated terrorist attacks. They're impossible to stop and it's a bit silly to aim policies at the expectation that we could stop them.
I wasn't saying they were possible to stop, actually it was my contention that the government could not stop determined people from wrecking havoc. As someone once said, I don't recall who, it's impossible to stop someone determined to assassinate the president if they don't care if they get away from it or not. All it takes is a few people to do many things, it's been small groups who have changed the world.
They're hardly indicative of the government's counter-insurgency or crowd-disbursal capability.
But it is an indication, whether you accept it or not.
I would accept the collateral damage of such occasional attacks to remain an open and free society.
While I agree, a look at what governments are doing, local, state, and federal, there are those who don't accept it. Michael Bloomberg, major or New York City, is ringing NYC with CCTV. Gun control advocates have spent decades trying to restrict private ownership of firearms. Chemicals are being monitored, who buys what and such. Heck, when I was in junior high I was given a chemistry lab, 101 or 1001 experiments as a gift. However since 911 I've looked for them and haven't seen any in years. If they are still available I don't know where.
Wha? The entirety of a modern city's communication system is in the hands of no more than 6-8 companies.
And not all of them will cooperate with the government. For instance when the feds asked telcom companies to turn over user records Qwest refused. As did Google when asked for search records.
What does that have to do with the outpatient hospital procedures referred to in the article?
The test was an outpatient test. I drove to the hospital, was given an anesthetic, then the docs sent a camera on a tube down my throat. Afterwards I left the hospital, I was there no more than a couple of hours.
Once upon a time marijuana was both legal and used for medical purposes in the United States.
During the debates to approve the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, which made hemp aka marijuana illegal, a doctor testifying for the AMA said hemp was a valuable drug for some medical treatments. Dr James Woodward, who was also an attorney, was denounced by Harry Anslinger the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. Anslinger was also the nephew-in-law of Andrew Mellon, from the Mellon Bank, who was the Secretary of Treasury. And one business the Mellon Bank financially backed was DuPont, who had just been granted a patent on making plastic from petroleum. Prior to that plastic was made from plant cellulose, which hemp was a good source for.
Really, I'm not US bashing. I'm an American and proud of the ideals here. I'm not as proud of the realities in the current day.
Same here, I only wish the US would live up to it's ideals.
Healthcare is a basic public service
I disagree, medical care is an individual's responsibility, not society's. I used to take care of myself, live as a healthy of a lifestyle as I could. And I don't see why in the world I should have to pay someone's medical bills when they lead an unhealthy lifestyle. Now my situation is the reverse, because of an accident the drive who hit me was responsible for, I need help paying my medical bills. And I don't believe taxpayers should be stuck paying them. The driver, or in this case his employer because he was working and driving a vehicle owned by them, should be the ones responsible for paying my expenses.
I think it is sad that the wealthiest nation on earth has citizens that have to worry about dying from untreated illness or injury.
So do I but I blame that on there not being a free market in medical, health care.
You're right, the threat of the US army splitting is even worse than it is in China. Whereas Chinese military units are generally from the specific area of China they come from, US military personnel are from all over the US. I had people in my units from all over, heck I even had someone who was Israeli in a unit.
Those links would be so much more impressive if the type of hospital outpatient visits they are referring to weren't all but non-existent in the United States.
Let's see... The BBC article says:
"Department of Health statistics show that the number of people waiting more than 13 weeks for a first outpatient appointment in England following a written GP referral rose by 31,000 to 468,000 in the final quarter of 1998."
When I first saw my last doctor she wanted my throat to be tested, it felt like molten lead was being poured down it. So when I left her office an appointment was made right then and there to have the test. I was able to have the test scheduled for the following week. A person can't say it was an emergency and that the test had to be done asap as my throat had bothered me for years. If it had been an emergency then why wasn't it tested sooner?
There are plenty of new drugs coming out in the US but no REAL developments.
And what do you mean by "REAL developments"? New drugs aren't real?
Hell, the US won't even acknowledge the medicinal uses of cannabis yet and we've known about them for a few thousand years!
I agree the Federal Government won't but state governments do. I'm not sure, but I thing 7 states have voted to allow medical marijuana. Oh, and the federal government does acknowledge some medical uses for it, the feds used to allow prescription for glycoma for instance. Oh, and Thomas Jefferson as a framer grew it on his farm.
In which case the "tech" was an idiot. Since all they needed to do was replace the board.
I wondered why he wanted to reinstall the OS but when I asked the closest answer I got was that the motherboard was different. He had to order the mobo and after installing it he called to let me know. I was in my car on the way there when he called so I told him I'd be there in a few minutes. When I first dropped off the PC I left a note on the service order not to format or erase the second hdd but when I got there after he called I again wrote it down. I also explained to him what I did and why I didn't want anything to be done with the drive. I asked if he could do it then if he could make the drive the home directory and he said yes. It's been a year now and I still haven't downloaded an unformat utility so I may take it down to the Geek Squad at Best Buy and have them do it. Unfortunately the last tyme I asked for work on Linux, to setup the second drive as the home directory because I didn't know how to do it myself, the tech I talked to and who did it had to go online to see how to do it. He said the Geek Squad only had a could of people in the area who knew how to work with Linux.
do people proclaiming the virtue of being 'pro-life' value to lives of those they also support killing in a war or occupation?
I doubt it. For instance I saw one study about pro-life supporters. It asked if abortion was acceptable in any circumstances and most said no. SO they don't care about toe mother who is already alive, but who's live may be threatened by her pregnancy. It also asked if they supported life sentences or the death penalty for murderers and other criminals. Again most supported the death penalty, for instance against doctors who perform abortions.
If the two sides to an argument are not using the same words to mean the same things, they cannot have a discussion or debate.
Which is why I get angry sometimes when someone uses an incorrect meaning of a word, like "liberal". Or "hacker". I am liberal, I believe in small government and liberty. Put another way I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But the way it's used now is about bigger government.
Here is the "quality of life" index from "The Economist" which is US periodical
"The Economist" isn't a US periodical. It has offices throughout the world but it's registered in London "The Economist Newspaper Limited Registered in England and Wales. No. 236383 | Registered office: 25 St James's Street, London, SW1A 1HG | VAT Reg No: GB 340 436 876".
You might note, near the top of both of those lists reside some countries such as Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Ireland. New Zealand, Canada, Australia and others also rank as very comparable to the US in quality of life, but much higher in freedom of the press.
Freedom of the press is only part of freedom. While I support Reporters Without Borders I value other things as well, such as economic freedom and the right to bare firearms.
So where would someone want to go? I don't know. Ireland? Norway? How about The Netherlands? Austria? They seem appealing these days.
Actually for now I want to go to Brazil. I'm hoping to go there as part of a study abroad program.
but "tell that to" the Germans when they allowed, no voted in, Hitler (and I am of German decent)
I might have some Dutch but I'm not sure, however that's besides the point. The problem, a good really, is that mass communications is easy today. During the 1930s the NAZIs were able to control most of the communications in Germany, and the countries they invaded. It would be virtually impossible to control it today.
or "tell that to" the Ohio National Guardsmen who fired on unarmed protesting students
More than 100,000 people demonstrated in Washington, D.C. after the shootings. And because of protests on college campuses more than 400 colleges and universities were closed. A banner saying "They Can't Kill Us All" was hung up at New York University. And that was just because 4 students were killed and nine injured.
you are old enough to remember that if you were in Veitnam
I never was nor said I was ever in Viet Nam.
I am becoming more and more concerned for the future of our once great country.
I've been concerned about our country for years, at least since Reagan.
Our Congress, Presidents and bleeding-heart liberals can't give our rights and money and soldiers' lives away fast enough.
And conservatives, social conservatives not fiscal conservatives, can't stop grabbing for control of what individuals do in the privacy of their ow homes.
Oh, and BTW, I know a Chinese, now American citizen, and she has warned me not to ever trust the Chinese government - "They hate America". Your thoughts?
I don't trust any government. I fear government more than anything else, including terrorists. Afterall it's governments that creates and supports terrorists. My thoughts on the Chinese government? They are just as imperialistic as Europe was and America is.
And hundreds of colleges and universities closed in protest of the Kent State shootings with over 4 million students protesting. Students at New York University hung up a banner saying "They Can't Kill Us All".
All that is necessary is for the targets to be dehumanised in some way - calling them 'terrorists' should work.
And how do you make out Soccer Mom to be a terrorist? You'd have to control all of the media to successfully dehumanize a lot of people, and there's no way the government could do that in the US. There's no way the government could for instance control the internet without shutting it down. And there'd be major riots in the street if they tried. Not even with the Great Firewall of China can the Chinese block all the traffic they want to stop. The internet was built to, and people will finds way to, route traffic around bad nodes.
Not to mention that in some states, you can't even own semi-automatics, let alone machine guns
No problem, weapons are bought across the stateline. And resistance can just take the weapons of those they capture or kill. Actually when I was in the Army we joked about taking the enemy's AK47 when we came across one, our M16's were prone to jambing whereas you could ram an AK47 into the dirt and it's still fire ok.
government is EXTREMELY good at rooting out grass-roots armed resistance.
Yea, the government is so good at stopping armed resistance they stopped the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, and 911. Except they didn't. Not even the NAZIs with the Gestapo and SS could stop everyone. Heck they couldn't even stop the resistance in Berlin. And with today's communications technologies there's no way the government could shutdown communications.
"the people of the US" in this sense is a misnomer. They wouldn't be out shooting Jane Soccer Mom... it would start with that crazy hippie who screams about freedom and those hackers who must have been up to no good
If they showed up on the steps of the capitol with weapons, what do you think would happen?
And do you really think resisters would show up on the steps of the capital with arms?
You simply don't have a pissed off band of civilians having ANY success against a large group of trained combatants with specialized crowd dispersal devices COMBINED with tactical weapons advantages.
Like other responders, I seriously doubt you've ever served in the US military.
People from northern cities may not look at someone carrying a gun as being innocent but where I come from they look fine. Growing up I'd hazard to say half of the households had firearms, guns, rifles, and or handguns. And most knew how to use them. My dad, who later retired from the US Air Force, gave me my first firearm, a.22 long rifle rifle before I reached the age of 10. Between him and my best friend's dad they took us out target practicing several tymes a year. Many of the people also went hunting, for frog legs, gator tail, venison, and for wild boar or hog. The rifle in the gun rack in the truck was common. Hog Valley, there's no wiki article yet, was a popular place to go for hunting.
People carying guns don't look innocent and if they pick up their guns to fight, expect a big intel spin on it. They will do it, I have no doubt about that.
Reading this statement I'm pretty sure you never served in the military. Well I did. I was a small arms specialist, in the infantry in the army. Several people I served with as well as I would have fragged a commanding officer for giving an order to shoot civilians, unarmed or armed.
one is a subset of the other. If people are living polygynyously, they are also living polygamously
If a woman can not have more than one spouse then she is not living polygamously. Polygamy specifically lets both men and women to have more than one spouse.
Procedures are developed all over the world, but for every breakthrough coming from the US there seems to be dozens of REAL breakthroughs elsewhere. Start getting your news from outside the US sources and you'll start seeing it to. I recommend the BBC for a start.
Ok, let's try the BBC, which I loved to listen to on shortwave radio:
I'm not sure why Americans would want to stay in the US any more
Two things, one is if you leave you're just consenting to what the government does, when if you don't like it you should be using the four boxes of liberty. The first is the soap box, then the ballot box and jury box with the last box used being the ammo box. The second thing is what country is better?
Do you think that COINTELPRO and spying on civil rights activists was worse than an administration that has said they don't believe in habeas corpus
Bush wasn't the first US president to deny habeas corpus. Though another president may have before him, the first president I know of that did deny habeas corpus was President Lincoln. And just as this Supreme Court ruled, the Supreme Court in his day ruled suspending habeas corpus was unconstitutional.
I used to support Obama as the Democrat candidate, but because of his vote to give businesses that helped the Bush admin spy immunity I won't anymore. He's running on change but immunity's is the wrong change. Making them pay would be a good change.
3. Damn, and I thought this Thug Life tattoo was helping.
Does the tattoo say "I work for Blackwater"?;-)
4. Yes, because the FBI amending its policies equates to the creation of a nationwide integrated surveillance system. Maybe the Guardian was confused by the cameras mounted to the surrounding buildings.
Micheal Bloomberg is doing the same in NYC, he's creating a "Ring of Steel" with CCTV around the city.
6. The No-Fly list means...you can't fly. How does this have anything to do with detention and release?
No-Fly lists don't have anything to do with detention and release, not yet at least, but it does restrict travel. Actually last night CNN had a report about 3 people who have trouble taking a flight. They all have the same name, which is on a No-Fly list. One's a pilot for an airline, another is a 6 year old boy, and I don't recall who the third person is or what he does. All three have been working to get their names removed from the list for years, well in the case of the boy, his parents.
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The VP doesn't set White House policy but does have an impact on senate policy.
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I'm on record as hoping Obama might either reverse himself or satisfactorily explain himself on this, so I could again support him.
I supported Obama as the Democrat presidential candidate before his vote to give telcoms immunity but because of his vote I can't now. His picking Biden as his running mate makes it even worse. If I didn't have anyone else to vote for I'd vote for McCain. Luckily I do though, I'm voting for Bob Barr.
Falcon
Those are isolated terrorist attacks. They're impossible to stop and it's a bit silly to aim policies at the expectation that we could stop them.
I wasn't saying they were possible to stop, actually it was my contention that the government could not stop determined people from wrecking havoc. As someone once said, I don't recall who, it's impossible to stop someone determined to assassinate the president if they don't care if they get away from it or not. All it takes is a few people to do many things, it's been small groups who have changed the world.
They're hardly indicative of the government's counter-insurgency or crowd-disbursal capability.
But it is an indication, whether you accept it or not.
I would accept the collateral damage of such occasional attacks to remain an open and free society.
While I agree, a look at what governments are doing, local, state, and federal, there are those who don't accept it. Michael Bloomberg, major or New York City, is ringing NYC with CCTV. Gun control advocates have spent decades trying to restrict private ownership of firearms. Chemicals are being monitored, who buys what and such. Heck, when I was in junior high I was given a chemistry lab, 101 or 1001 experiments as a gift. However since 911 I've looked for them and haven't seen any in years. If they are still available I don't know where.
Wha? The entirety of a modern city's communication system is in the hands of no more than 6-8 companies.
And not all of them will cooperate with the government. For instance when the feds asked telcom companies to turn over user records Qwest refused. As did Google when asked for search records.
Falcon
What does that have to do with the outpatient hospital procedures referred to in the article?
The test was an outpatient test. I drove to the hospital, was given an anesthetic, then the docs sent a camera on a tube down my throat. Afterwards I left the hospital, I was there no more than a couple of hours.
Once upon a time marijuana was both legal and used for medical purposes in the United States.
During the debates to approve the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, which made hemp aka marijuana illegal, a doctor testifying for the AMA said hemp was a valuable drug for some medical treatments. Dr James Woodward, who was also an attorney, was denounced by Harry Anslinger the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. Anslinger was also the nephew-in-law of Andrew Mellon, from the Mellon Bank, who was the Secretary of Treasury. And one business the Mellon Bank financially backed was DuPont, who had just been granted a patent on making plastic from petroleum. Prior to that plastic was made from plant cellulose, which hemp was a good source for.
Really, I'm not US bashing. I'm an American and proud of the ideals here. I'm not as proud of the realities in the current day.
Same here, I only wish the US would live up to it's ideals.
Healthcare is a basic public service
I disagree, medical care is an individual's responsibility, not society's. I used to take care of myself, live as a healthy of a lifestyle as I could. And I don't see why in the world I should have to pay someone's medical bills when they lead an unhealthy lifestyle. Now my situation is the reverse, because of an accident the drive who hit me was responsible for, I need help paying my medical bills. And I don't believe taxpayers should be stuck paying them. The driver, or in this case his employer because he was working and driving a vehicle owned by them, should be the ones responsible for paying my expenses.
I think it is sad that the wealthiest nation on earth has citizens that have to worry about dying from untreated illness or injury.
So do I but I blame that on there not being a free market in medical, health care.
Falcon
You're right, the threat of the US army splitting is even worse than it is in China. Whereas Chinese military units are generally from the specific area of China they come from, US military personnel are from all over the US. I had people in my units from all over, heck I even had someone who was Israeli in a unit.
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Those links would be so much more impressive if the type of hospital outpatient visits they are referring to weren't all but non-existent in the United States.
Let's see... The BBC article says:
"Department of Health statistics show that the number of people waiting more than 13 weeks for a first outpatient appointment in England following a written GP referral rose by 31,000 to 468,000 in the final quarter of 1998."
When I first saw my last doctor she wanted my throat to be tested, it felt like molten lead was being poured down it. So when I left her office an appointment was made right then and there to have the test. I was able to have the test scheduled for the following week. A person can't say it was an emergency and that the test had to be done asap as my throat had bothered me for years. If it had been an emergency then why wasn't it tested sooner?
There are plenty of new drugs coming out in the US but no REAL developments.
And what do you mean by "REAL developments"? New drugs aren't real?
Hell, the US won't even acknowledge the medicinal uses of cannabis yet and we've known about them for a few thousand years!
I agree the Federal Government won't but state governments do. I'm not sure, but I thing 7 states have voted to allow medical marijuana. Oh, and the federal government does acknowledge some medical uses for it, the feds used to allow prescription for glycoma for instance. Oh, and Thomas Jefferson as a framer grew it on his farm.
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In which case the "tech" was an idiot. Since all they needed to do was replace the board.
I wondered why he wanted to reinstall the OS but when I asked the closest answer I got was that the motherboard was different. He had to order the mobo and after installing it he called to let me know. I was in my car on the way there when he called so I told him I'd be there in a few minutes. When I first dropped off the PC I left a note on the service order not to format or erase the second hdd but when I got there after he called I again wrote it down. I also explained to him what I did and why I didn't want anything to be done with the drive. I asked if he could do it then if he could make the drive the home directory and he said yes. It's been a year now and I still haven't downloaded an unformat utility so I may take it down to the Geek Squad at Best Buy and have them do it. Unfortunately the last tyme I asked for work on Linux, to setup the second drive as the home directory because I didn't know how to do it myself, the tech I talked to and who did it had to go online to see how to do it. He said the Geek Squad only had a could of people in the area who knew how to work with Linux.
Falcon
do people proclaiming the virtue of being 'pro-life' value to lives of those they also support killing in a war or occupation?
I doubt it. For instance I saw one study about pro-life supporters. It asked if abortion was acceptable in any circumstances and most said no. SO they don't care about toe mother who is already alive, but who's live may be threatened by her pregnancy. It also asked if they supported life sentences or the death penalty for murderers and other criminals. Again most supported the death penalty, for instance against doctors who perform abortions.
If the two sides to an argument are not using the same words to mean the same things, they cannot have a discussion or debate.
Which is why I get angry sometimes when someone uses an incorrect meaning of a word, like "liberal". Or "hacker". I am liberal, I believe in small government and liberty. Put another way I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But the way it's used now is about bigger government.
Falcon
Here is the "quality of life" index from "The Economist" which is US periodical
"The Economist" isn't a US periodical. It has offices throughout the world but it's registered in London "The Economist Newspaper Limited Registered in England and Wales. No. 236383 | Registered office: 25 St James's Street, London, SW1A 1HG | VAT Reg No: GB 340 436 876".
You might note, near the top of both of those lists reside some countries such as Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Ireland. New Zealand, Canada, Australia and others also rank as very comparable to the US in quality of life, but much higher in freedom of the press.
Freedom of the press is only part of freedom. While I support Reporters Without Borders I value other things as well, such as economic freedom and the right to bare firearms.
So where would someone want to go? I don't know. Ireland? Norway? How about The Netherlands? Austria? They seem appealing these days.
Actually for now I want to go to Brazil. I'm hoping to go there as part of a study abroad program.
Falcon
but "tell that to" the Germans when they allowed, no voted in, Hitler (and I am of German decent)
I might have some Dutch but I'm not sure, however that's besides the point. The problem, a good really, is that mass communications is easy today. During the 1930s the NAZIs were able to control most of the communications in Germany, and the countries they invaded. It would be virtually impossible to control it today.
or "tell that to" the Ohio National Guardsmen who fired on unarmed protesting students
More than 100,000 people demonstrated in Washington, D.C. after the shootings. And because of protests on college campuses more than 400 colleges and universities were closed. A banner saying "They Can't Kill Us All" was hung up at New York University. And that was just because 4 students were killed and nine injured.
you are old enough to remember that if you were in Veitnam
I never was nor said I was ever in Viet Nam.
I am becoming more and more concerned for the future of our once great country.
I've been concerned about our country for years, at least since Reagan.
Our Congress, Presidents and bleeding-heart liberals can't give our rights and money and soldiers' lives away fast enough.
And conservatives, social conservatives not fiscal conservatives, can't stop grabbing for control of what individuals do in the privacy of their ow homes.
Oh, and BTW, I know a Chinese, now American citizen, and she has warned me not to ever trust the Chinese government - "They hate America". Your thoughts?
I don't trust any government. I fear government more than anything else, including terrorists. Afterall it's governments that creates and supports terrorists. My thoughts on the Chinese government? They are just as imperialistic as Europe was and America is.
Falcon
And hundreds of colleges and universities closed in protest of the Kent State shootings with over 4 million students protesting. Students at New York University hung up a banner saying "They Can't Kill Us All".
Falcon
Had no problem dropping nukes on civilians 6 Aug, 1945.
However newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst had already done a good job of demonizing Asians with his yellow peril campaign.
All that is necessary is for the targets to be dehumanised in some way - calling them 'terrorists' should work.
And how do you make out Soccer Mom to be a terrorist? You'd have to control all of the media to successfully dehumanize a lot of people, and there's no way the government could do that in the US. There's no way the government could for instance control the internet without shutting it down. And there'd be major riots in the street if they tried. Not even with the Great Firewall of China can the Chinese block all the traffic they want to stop. The internet was built to, and people will finds way to, route traffic around bad nodes.
Falcon
The police already fire on citizens
And there are angry protests when they do.
Not to mention that in some states, you can't even own semi-automatics, let alone machine guns
No problem, weapons are bought across the stateline. And resistance can just take the weapons of those they capture or kill. Actually when I was in the Army we joked about taking the enemy's AK47 when we came across one, our M16's were prone to jambing whereas you could ram an AK47 into the dirt and it's still fire ok.
Falcon
government is EXTREMELY good at rooting out grass-roots armed resistance.
Yea, the government is so good at stopping armed resistance they stopped the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, and 911. Except they didn't. Not even the NAZIs with the Gestapo and SS could stop everyone. Heck they couldn't even stop the resistance in Berlin. And with today's communications technologies there's no way the government could shutdown communications.
"the people of the US" in this sense is a misnomer. They wouldn't be out shooting Jane Soccer Mom... it would start with that crazy hippie who screams about freedom and those hackers who must have been up to no good
Except it could be Soccer Mom who's in the underground. "Hitler Ordered Death Of Wisconsin Woman Who Led Nazi Resistance". And Theodore Kaczynski, the supposed Unabomber, was no hippy. Neither was Timothy McVeigh.
If they showed up on the steps of the capitol with weapons, what do you think would happen?
And do you really think resisters would show up on the steps of the capital with arms?
You simply don't have a pissed off band of civilians having ANY success against a large group of trained combatants with specialized crowd dispersal devices COMBINED with tactical weapons advantages.
Like other responders, I seriously doubt you've ever served in the US military.
Falcon
Both Republicans AND Democrats have to be voted out. They are both part of the problem.
Falcon
People carying guns don't look innocent
People from northern cities may not look at someone carrying a gun as being innocent but where I come from they look fine. Growing up I'd hazard to say half of the households had firearms, guns, rifles, and or handguns. And most knew how to use them. My dad, who later retired from the US Air Force, gave me my first firearm, a .22 long rifle rifle before I reached the age of 10. Between him and my best friend's dad they took us out target practicing several tymes a year. Many of the people also went hunting, for frog legs, gator tail, venison, and for wild boar or hog. The rifle in the gun rack in the truck was common. Hog Valley, there's no wiki article yet, was a popular place to go for hunting.
People carying guns don't look innocent and if they pick up their guns to fight, expect a big intel spin on it. They will do it, I have no doubt about that.
Reading this statement I'm pretty sure you never served in the military. Well I did. I was a small arms specialist, in the infantry in the army. Several people I served with as well as I would have fragged a commanding officer for giving an order to shoot civilians, unarmed or armed.
Falcon
one is a subset of the other. If people are living polygynyously, they are also living polygamously
If a woman can not have more than one spouse then she is not living polygamously. Polygamy specifically lets both men and women to have more than one spouse.
Falcon
Actually Alexander Hamilton argued against the Bill of Rights.
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The FBI is a law enforcement agency, not an foreign or even a domestic intelligence gathering agency.
Oh but the FBI is a counterintelligence agency. Legally the CIA can not spy in the US, that's the FBI's bailiwick.
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Procedures are developed all over the world, but for every breakthrough coming from the US there seems to be dozens of REAL breakthroughs elsewhere. Start getting your news from outside the US sources and you'll start seeing it to. I recommend the BBC for a start.
Ok, let's try the BBC, which I loved to listen to on shortwave radio:
Falcon
I'm not sure why Americans would want to stay in the US any more
Two things, one is if you leave you're just consenting to what the government does, when if you don't like it you should be using the four boxes of liberty. The first is the soap box, then the ballot box and jury box with the last box used being the ammo box. The second thing is what country is better?
Falcon
Do you think that COINTELPRO and spying on civil rights activists was worse than an administration that has said they don't believe in habeas corpus
Bush wasn't the first US president to deny habeas corpus. Though another president may have before him, the first president I know of that did deny habeas corpus was President Lincoln. And just as this Supreme Court ruled, the Supreme Court in his day ruled suspending habeas corpus was unconstitutional.
Falcon
Words have power, and people such as Rove have been using our own words against us by redefining -- overloading -- what they mean.
I don't like what Rove has done, but Democrats have also redefined, overloaded, words.
Falcon
I used to support Obama as the Democrat candidate, but because of his vote to give businesses that helped the Bush admin spy immunity I won't anymore. He's running on change but immunity's is the wrong change. Making them pay would be a good change.
Falcon
3. Damn, and I thought this Thug Life tattoo was helping.
Does the tattoo say "I work for Blackwater"? ;-)
4. Yes, because the FBI amending its policies equates to the creation of a nationwide integrated surveillance system. Maybe the Guardian was confused by the cameras mounted to the surrounding buildings.
Micheal Bloomberg is doing the same in NYC, he's creating a "Ring of Steel" with CCTV around the city.
6. The No-Fly list means...you can't fly. How does this have anything to do with detention and release?
No-Fly lists don't have anything to do with detention and release, not yet at least, but it does restrict travel. Actually last night CNN had a report about 3 people who have trouble taking a flight. They all have the same name, which is on a No-Fly list. One's a pilot for an airline, another is a 6 year old boy, and I don't recall who the third person is or what he does. All three have been working to get their names removed from the list for years, well in the case of the boy, his parents.
Falcon