So long as it doesn't do horrible things to peoples' computers, I don't see an issue here.
In fact, I think theyre doing the wikimedia foundation a huge favor by providing bandwidth to a comprehensive mirror.
That site, e-wikipedia.net, harms Wiki. It didn't copy wiki articles, it literally requests the wiki page and serves it as their own. This increases the bandwidth Wiki uses, and thus the cost. When I visited the site Wiki had already taken action, it now shows "Leech (computing)" and explains what that is.
Eh, I think the OED is the de facto dictionary for non-law research.
I think it depends on which edition, one of the paperback editions like the Essential or American editions or the full 20something volume edition. I got my spelling of time as "tyme" from the full edition.
You pretty much answered your original question - iTunes comes with OS X (basically 100% of all Macs) and with every iPod (most popular DAP by far).
PCs don't come with iTunes installed though. PC users have to download and install it to use it on their PCs.
It is frustrating for those of us who want more choices that the iPod doesn't seem to function like most other DAPs in file management.
On principles I'd rather iPods and iTunes be more open but as a practical manner it doesn't matter to me. I don't have and don't plan on getting an iPod or any other mpg3 player. The last portable player I bought was a Walkman CD player years ago. I only used it when I roller bladed, unfortunately I stopped because my feet started bothering me too much, and when I rode my bike on a trail.
However I'd like to see more music released on vinyl records. I don't have one now but I want to get a new turntable, and reel-to-reel tape deck.
And Linux developers would not have bothered to create software iTunes like for Linux.
I don't really understand that statement - do you mean people are attempting to copy iTunes for Linux?
Developers would not have developed gtkPod if they didn't care to use iPods and import their iTunes library on Linux.
FYI, the switch from IE to Safari on Macs did not correlate with the switch to Intel CPUs - IE was discontinued and Safari was released in mid 2003, while Intel chips were not seen in Macs until 2006.
I don't recall when IE for Macs was dropped and Apple released Safari. It really doesn't matter to me much. I use Firefox. I started using it years ago on my Windows PC, then kept using it when I switched to first Linux then to Mac.
I have done work for call centers on and off since the late 80s and they are all using staff to just run through human readable scripts.
It keep their personnel hiring and training costs down to a minimum while ensuring some minimum SLAs.
I can see them doing that but they should have someone higher up it can be handed to who knows how to diagnose other OSes. I hadn't thought of it then, it just came to me now, but if I run into a problem again with my access what I could do is connect my Windows NT box to the net. I'd get some use out of it, I haven't booted it up in years.
That doesn't explain how copy protection saves money, it may explain how content creators make more money though.
Fatter margins = better leverage for competition and for consumers to press companies for better deals.
This is wrong. Copyright raises price and doesn't lower them. Without them anyone could copy and sale books, movies, music, or whatever. And with all the competition those selling will lower their prices. On the other hand because of copyrights if you want to bug something legally you have to pay the copyright owner what they demand. Of course if they want to maximize revenue and profits then they need to set the price between a high price and a high number of buyers, the higher the price the fewer the buyers.
Shame the people who put all the work into creating and distributing things still want to eat and have somewhere to live, otherwise we'd have a utopia.
Yea, all those who worked on creating Linux like Linus are all starving to death.
Your connection may or may not have a throughput limit. Unlimited throughput means the number of bytes you can download is not limited. In some places, there are limitations. Typically the ISP's that limit throughput also offer the possiblilty to purchase more.
When I signed up for cable there was no cap on throughput, nowhere was any mentioned not even in the contract. And yes I read everything I sign including service contracts. You're right about the bandwidth cap, the contract stated the speed was up to whatever, I don't recall what it was right now. There was no limit on how much I could use though, it was unlimited.
They don't support linux, which I can understand, but they won't even open a ticket if the person making the call is using anything but MS Windows.
I don't think that's an unusual issue or problem. I have cable access through a third party, but the cable company does the support. A few months back I was having trouble with my connection and called support. The first question I was asked, after going through who I was and where I lived, was what my OS was. I told the tech OS X and he said they didn't support it, they only support Windows. However if I wanted to pay extra, $100 if I recall right, he said they'd send someone out. He wouldn't even check to see if it was my computer or the connection. This pissed me off, when I first signed up with my ISP it was for dialup and they supported Macs and Unix as well as Windows. However I moved and they offered cable through the cable co so I switched over, maybe I should have seen if I could have gotten DSL instead but the price was right, and I don't know that they support OS X with DSL service.
The Internet is not a public resource, and never has been. Same with broadcast spectra.
Originally the airwaves were homesteaded. If a person had setup a transmitter and broadcast on a frequency nobody in the area of broadcast used they had the legal right to use it. If someone came along and started using the same frequency or interfered with their broadcast they could sue in court and the court would uphold their right to use that frequency. It was only after congress passed the Radio Act of 1912 government started controlling the airwaves though the Radio Act of 1927 had a bigger influence, it created the Federal Radio Commission then the Federal Communications Commission replaced the FRC in 1934.
Provided you don't have any defects, copy protection, on average, saves you money (in theory).
How does copy prot4ction save consumers money?
More copy protection -> less piracy -> more viewership -> more money per ad screened -> less ads needed to be screened -> less chance the average viewer will spend money on advertised item -> more money in average viewer's pocket (not to mention less advertising being its own reward)
That doesn't explain how copy protection saves money, it may explain how content creators make more money though.
More copy protection -> less piracy -> more viewership -> more money per ad screened
less ads needed to be screened -> less chance the average viewer will spend money on advertised item
Anyone who lets ads influence them I have a bridge to sale.
more money in average viewer's pocket (not to mention less advertising being its own reward)
Except we now have more advertising. We now have more product placements in movies and tv shows. It's come a long way from when Reese's Pieces were placed in the movie "ET".
But we also shouldn't be confusing "fair use" with a "right".. they are fundamentally different things. If we want to have a "right" to make copies of media for a particular purpose, we'll have to get that written into law.
You also don't have the right of a copyright. Copyrights are granted as privileges of monopoly to encourage creators.
The suggestion that artistic and entertainment creations would continue to be made in the same volume or quality with the creators being given nothing in return is utterly ridiculous.
I used write and want to work as a photographer and thought the same way. However I'm starting to think copyrights aren't needed. Open source software has shown money can still be made, though admittedly not as much as Microsoft makes, by sharing. The Grateful Dead made money yet allowed, heck encouraged, concert goers to record the performances and share them. Those who like writers, some at least, will be willing to pay a writer for what they like to read. A few years ago someone gave me this suggestion when I said copyrights were needed, have a pdf of a book people can download to read. Then if they like it, some people will buy a signed and printed edition of the book from the writer. As for my photos, one thing I'm planning to do is to have low resolution pics online then allow those who want to buy one to pay for a high resolution digital file and or professionally printed large print. I could even print large format books for people, that's getting to be a pretty big money earner for wedding photogs. Bride and Groom, and friends and relatives can order books with the photos they want.
Professional photographers have to go through a lot of this, but they can still make money and pay the bills.
After locks were invented, someone invented lockpicks.
But the existence of that technology does not excuse its use.
Sure it does, actually the invention of the lock necessitated the need for lockpicks. I don't know if it's happened to you but I ran into a number of people who got locked out of their car or home. Years ago I shared a home with others. I smoke but I go outside to smoke at home and even though I was sitting on a bench in front of the door with a window next to it from where a person could clearly see me, one of the others living there was paranoid about an unlocked door and he kept locking it on me. Now what if I didn't have my keys, I started carrying them with me just because of him, and he locked the door then left? Or what about a car, about the same tyme I was locked out I had a lady ask me if she could use my cellphone to call the police, she had left the keys in the ignition with the engine running and left a baby in the vehicle but locked the door.
I switched, from Windows to Linux and OS X, because MS wants to treat it's users like criminals. That's what Activation is all about. It's one thing to require a product key to use software the first tyme but it's totally different to then require the user to allow the software to contact the mothership or to call the company to have it activated as well as require all the spyware crap.
I do not have a problem with bandwidth caps as long as
a) I can buy more bandwith or buy an unlimited plan
Cable is sold as unlimited. The only problem is that the providers oversold, once people started taking advantage of what they were sold the companies started complaining people used what they were sold.
As for Verizon it seems they are the only ones getting with the program. With their FiOS they are offering up to 50mbps downloads and 20mbps uploads. Right now it's only in a few cities but they hope to expand it to 50 in the next couple of years. The fastest service cost $140 with slower plans also available.
Well, your personal appearance is just that, personal. But considering it inherently "cooler"...
While it's my personal choice I don't consider it "cooler", long hair and beards aren't particularly cool today.
The rest I agree with, appearance does not reflex ability, and ability is what should matter. Especially for employment. The only tyme appearance should matter at all for employment is for safety and in sales where the person meets those they are trying to sale to. Even then though as long as they are clean and don't smell it shouldn't matter. As I told my neighbor, if he has a problem with my hair length or beard that's his problem not mine. What matters to me is how I feel about it and I want them.
For me, NT4 crashed several times a month, sometimes several times a week. That was a lot better than Win9X's daily or even hourly crashes, but still not very good. So far, both XP and Vista have been very stable.
I've never, and never will unless I have to, used Vista but I have used Windows since 3.x and the only version I have used that has not crashed or shown me the BSOD is NT4. Heck, the first tyme I booted up a PC with XP it froze while booting up. And it was on a brand new Dell Opteron I believe. The only problem I have had with my NT4 PC is that it's CPU is a DEC Alpha and I wasn't able to install much software I paid for on it. I didn't know whether to cry or laugh but I got it at the same tyme I got an Intel laptop and a bunch of software for them both, and I was able to install all of them on the laptop but was only able to install one commercial program on the Alpha. I did get some shareware and freeware programs installed though. It never crashed or gave me the BSOD though.
Don't have fink, but yep I have. I'm using iterm instead of Terminal. I'm not currently using Fink, but I have in the past.
On Windows and Linux I used HTTrack website copier to download some websites or pages and sections. Since there wasn't, isn't, a native Mac port of it I installed Fink and Fink Commander to download the X11 version. However I couldn't figure out how to get them to work.
iTunes != Unix. Are you saying that because iTunes runs on Windows OS X is not Unix?
even something like KDE sticks to more of the core tenants of unix than Mac os X.
Mind telling that to the KDE developers who ported KDE to OS X? Or Gnome? How can X11 apps be configured for Gnome?
Simply, as I said in my post you replied to I can install many Linux programs, I wont say all because I don't know if there are any that can't be installed, on my Mac. Just as Linux users can use Debian packagers apt-get and dpkg to install.deb software on Linux, I can use Fink to install those programs on my Mac. I can also install software using Redhat's RPM package manager on it using MacPorts.
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The program started before 9/11 - a few weeks after Bush took office, in fact.
Guess what else Bush did before 911. He also gave the Taliban $43 million dollars of US taxpayer money.
FalconThe entire Republican party has arrayed themselves against the Constitution.
Bob Barr, former republican senator, opposes telecom immunity.
Remember that on election day.
He is now the presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party.
For now, I'm leaning towards voting for Bob Barr but if the only choices were McCain and Obama I'd vote for Obama.
FalconI don't see any purpose in continuously raking the telecoms through the courts simply because they did what their government asked them to do.
They knew what they were doing was illegal and unconstitutional and deserve to be raked over hot coals.
would hope something like that happens in the future when the stakes are high too.
Would you want el Duce, Hilter, or Stalin to have the same power? How about Pol Pot? Idi Amin?
FalconSo long as it doesn't do horrible things to peoples' computers, I don't see an issue here.
In fact, I think theyre doing the wikimedia foundation a huge favor by providing bandwidth to a comprehensive mirror.
That site, e-wikipedia.net, harms Wiki. It didn't copy wiki articles, it literally requests the wiki page and serves it as their own. This increases the bandwidth Wiki uses, and thus the cost. When I visited the site Wiki had already taken action, it now shows "Leech (computing)" and explains what that is.
FalconEh, I think the OED is the de facto dictionary for non-law research.
I think it depends on which edition, one of the paperback editions like the Essential or American editions or the full 20something volume edition. I got my spelling of time as "tyme" from the full edition.
FalconYou pretty much answered your original question - iTunes comes with OS X (basically 100% of all Macs) and with every iPod (most popular DAP by far).
PCs don't come with iTunes installed though. PC users have to download and install it to use it on their PCs.
It is frustrating for those of us who want more choices that the iPod doesn't seem to function like most other DAPs in file management.
On principles I'd rather iPods and iTunes be more open but as a practical manner it doesn't matter to me. I don't have and don't plan on getting an iPod or any other mpg3 player. The last portable player I bought was a Walkman CD player years ago. I only used it when I roller bladed, unfortunately I stopped because my feet started bothering me too much, and when I rode my bike on a trail.
However I'd like to see more music released on vinyl records. I don't have one now but I want to get a new turntable, and reel-to-reel tape deck.
And Linux developers would not have bothered to create software iTunes like for Linux.
I don't really understand that statement - do you mean people are attempting to copy iTunes for Linux?
Developers would not have developed gtkPod if they didn't care to use iPods and import their iTunes library on Linux.
FYI, the switch from IE to Safari on Macs did not correlate with the switch to Intel CPUs - IE was discontinued and Safari was released in mid 2003, while Intel chips were not seen in Macs until 2006.
I don't recall when IE for Macs was dropped and Apple released Safari. It really doesn't matter to me much. I use Firefox. I started using it years ago on my Windows PC, then kept using it when I switched to first Linux then to Mac.
FalconI have done work for call centers on and off since the late 80s and they are all using staff to just run through human readable scripts.
It keep their personnel hiring and training costs down to a minimum while ensuring some minimum SLAs.
I can see them doing that but they should have someone higher up it can be handed to who knows how to diagnose other OSes. I hadn't thought of it then, it just came to me now, but if I run into a problem again with my access what I could do is connect my Windows NT box to the net. I'd get some use out of it, I haven't booted it up in years.
FalconThat doesn't explain how copy protection saves money, it may explain how content creators make more money though.
Fatter margins = better leverage for competition and for consumers to press companies for better deals.
This is wrong. Copyright raises price and doesn't lower them. Without them anyone could copy and sale books, movies, music, or whatever. And with all the competition those selling will lower their prices. On the other hand because of copyrights if you want to bug something legally you have to pay the copyright owner what they demand. Of course if they want to maximize revenue and profits then they need to set the price between a high price and a high number of buyers, the higher the price the fewer the buyers.
We haven't satisfied the second step.
And what is the second step? less piracy?
FalconShame the people who put all the work into creating and distributing things still want to eat and have somewhere to live, otherwise we'd have a utopia.
Yea, all those who worked on creating Linux like Linus are all starving to death.
FalconYour connection may or may not have a throughput limit. Unlimited throughput means the number of bytes you can download is not limited. In some places, there are limitations. Typically the ISP's that limit throughput also offer the possiblilty to purchase more.
When I signed up for cable there was no cap on throughput, nowhere was any mentioned not even in the contract. And yes I read everything I sign including service contracts. You're right about the bandwidth cap, the contract stated the speed was up to whatever, I don't recall what it was right now. There was no limit on how much I could use though, it was unlimited.
FalconThey don't support linux, which I can understand, but they won't even open a ticket if the person making the call is using anything but MS Windows.
I don't think that's an unusual issue or problem. I have cable access through a third party, but the cable company does the support. A few months back I was having trouble with my connection and called support. The first question I was asked, after going through who I was and where I lived, was what my OS was. I told the tech OS X and he said they didn't support it, they only support Windows. However if I wanted to pay extra, $100 if I recall right, he said they'd send someone out. He wouldn't even check to see if it was my computer or the connection. This pissed me off, when I first signed up with my ISP it was for dialup and they supported Macs and Unix as well as Windows. However I moved and they offered cable through the cable co so I switched over, maybe I should have seen if I could have gotten DSL instead but the price was right, and I don't know that they support OS X with DSL service.
FalconThe Internet is not a public resource, and never has been. Same with broadcast spectra.
Originally the airwaves were homesteaded. If a person had setup a transmitter and broadcast on a frequency nobody in the area of broadcast used they had the legal right to use it. If someone came along and started using the same frequency or interfered with their broadcast they could sue in court and the court would uphold their right to use that frequency. It was only after congress passed the Radio Act of 1912 government started controlling the airwaves though the Radio Act of 1927 had a bigger influence, it created the Federal Radio Commission then the Federal Communications Commission replaced the FRC in 1934.
Falconif you're not participating in the system, THE SYSTEM CANNOT CONTROL YOU.
Sure it can, indirectly. When it controls those around you it effects you as well.
FalconProvided you don't have any defects, copy protection, on average, saves you money (in theory).
How does copy prot4ction save consumers money?
More copy protection -> less piracy -> more viewership -> more money per ad screened -> less ads needed to be screened -> less chance the average viewer will spend money on advertised item -> more money in average viewer's pocket (not to mention less advertising being its own reward)
That doesn't explain how copy protection saves money, it may explain how content creators make more money though.
More copy protection -> less piracy -> more viewership -> more money per ad screened
Actually "Wal-Mart hopes to gain market share by losing DRM".
less ads needed to be screened -> less chance the average viewer will spend money on advertised item
Anyone who lets ads influence them I have a bridge to sale.
more money in average viewer's pocket (not to mention less advertising being its own reward)
Except we now have more advertising. We now have more product placements in movies and tv shows. It's come a long way from when Reese's Pieces were placed in the movie "ET".
Falconthey are trampling a right that copyright gives copyright holders
I agree with your general point but copyrights aren't a right either, copyrights are a privilege granted by the government.
FalconBut we also shouldn't be confusing "fair use" with a "right".. they are fundamentally different things. If we want to have a "right" to make copies of media for a particular purpose, we'll have to get that written into law.
You also don't have the right of a copyright. Copyrights are granted as privileges of monopoly to encourage creators.
FalconThe suggestion that artistic and entertainment creations would continue to be made in the same volume or quality with the creators being given nothing in return is utterly ridiculous.
I used write and want to work as a photographer and thought the same way. However I'm starting to think copyrights aren't needed. Open source software has shown money can still be made, though admittedly not as much as Microsoft makes, by sharing. The Grateful Dead made money yet allowed, heck encouraged, concert goers to record the performances and share them. Those who like writers, some at least, will be willing to pay a writer for what they like to read. A few years ago someone gave me this suggestion when I said copyrights were needed, have a pdf of a book people can download to read. Then if they like it, some people will buy a signed and printed edition of the book from the writer. As for my photos, one thing I'm planning to do is to have low resolution pics online then allow those who want to buy one to pay for a high resolution digital file and or professionally printed large print. I could even print large format books for people, that's getting to be a pretty big money earner for wedding photogs. Bride and Groom, and friends and relatives can order books with the photos they want.
Professional photographers have to go through a lot of this, but they can still make money and pay the bills.
FalconAfter locks were invented, someone invented lockpicks.
But the existence of that technology does not excuse its use.
Sure it does, actually the invention of the lock necessitated the need for lockpicks. I don't know if it's happened to you but I ran into a number of people who got locked out of their car or home. Years ago I shared a home with others. I smoke but I go outside to smoke at home and even though I was sitting on a bench in front of the door with a window next to it from where a person could clearly see me, one of the others living there was paranoid about an unlocked door and he kept locking it on me. Now what if I didn't have my keys, I started carrying them with me just because of him, and he locked the door then left? Or what about a car, about the same tyme I was locked out I had a lady ask me if she could use my cellphone to call the police, she had left the keys in the ignition with the engine running and left a baby in the vehicle but locked the door.
FalconI switched, from Windows to Linux and OS X, because MS wants to treat it's users like criminals. That's what Activation is all about. It's one thing to require a product key to use software the first tyme but it's totally different to then require the user to allow the software to contact the mothership or to call the company to have it activated as well as require all the spyware crap.
FalconI do not have a problem with bandwidth caps as long as
a) I can buy more bandwith or buy an unlimited plan
Cable is sold as unlimited. The only problem is that the providers oversold, once people started taking advantage of what they were sold the companies started complaining people used what they were sold.
As for Verizon it seems they are the only ones getting with the program. With their FiOS they are offering up to 50mbps downloads and 20mbps uploads. Right now it's only in a few cities but they hope to expand it to 50 in the next couple of years. The fastest service cost $140 with slower plans also available.
FalconWell, your personal appearance is just that, personal. But considering it inherently "cooler"...
While it's my personal choice I don't consider it "cooler", long hair and beards aren't particularly cool today.
The rest I agree with, appearance does not reflex ability, and ability is what should matter. Especially for employment. The only tyme appearance should matter at all for employment is for safety and in sales where the person meets those they are trying to sale to. Even then though as long as they are clean and don't smell it shouldn't matter. As I told my neighbor, if he has a problem with my hair length or beard that's his problem not mine. What matters to me is how I feel about it and I want them.
FalconOk, thanks. I was wrong big time.
FalconFor me, NT4 crashed several times a month, sometimes several times a week. That was a lot better than Win9X's daily or even hourly crashes, but still not very good. So far, both XP and Vista have been very stable.
I've never, and never will unless I have to, used Vista but I have used Windows since 3.x and the only version I have used that has not crashed or shown me the BSOD is NT4. Heck, the first tyme I booted up a PC with XP it froze while booting up. And it was on a brand new Dell Opteron I believe. The only problem I have had with my NT4 PC is that it's CPU is a DEC Alpha and I wasn't able to install much software I paid for on it. I didn't know whether to cry or laugh but I got it at the same tyme I got an Intel laptop and a bunch of software for them both, and I was able to install all of them on the laptop but was only able to install one commercial program on the Alpha. I did get some shareware and freeware programs installed though. It never crashed or gave me the BSOD though.
FalconDon't have fink, but yep I have. I'm using iterm instead of Terminal. I'm not currently using Fink, but I have in the past.
On Windows and Linux I used HTTrack website copier to download some websites or pages and sections. Since there wasn't, isn't, a native Mac port of it I installed Fink and Fink Commander to download the X11 version. However I couldn't figure out how to get them to work.
FalconiTunes != Unix. Are you saying that because iTunes runs on Windows OS X is not Unix?
even something like KDE sticks to more of the core tenants of unix than Mac os X.
Mind telling that to the KDE developers who ported KDE to OS X? Or Gnome? How can X11 apps be configured for Gnome?
Simply, as I said in my post you replied to I can install many Linux programs, I wont say all because I don't know if there are any that can't be installed, on my Mac. Just as Linux users can use Debian packagers apt-get and dpkg to install .deb software on Linux, I can use Fink to install those programs on my Mac. I can also install software using Redhat's RPM package manager on it using MacPorts.
Falcon