If it's so bad then why do millions of people use it? And not just on Macs, but on Windows too?
So, Windows == best OS ever, and IE == best browser ever?
Notice I didn't say iTubes was the best, only questioned why if it's so bad why do millions of people use it. As for Windows, just because more people use it than any other OS that doesn't make it the best. It's best for some but not all, or even most. The reason it's on most PCs is because most PCs come with it installed and most people don't install an OS. If Linux came preinstalled on more PCs and it didn't require a special order to get one more people would use it. Same with OS X. Michael Dell said he'd love to be able to sale PCs with OS X installed, the only reason to say something like that is if there's a ready market for it. But that's hardly likely to happen as Apple isn't likely to license OS X. By licensing it to clone builders Apple's hardware sells would be harmed, and if there are problems with the clones Apple will get a blackeye. And just as with Windows, IE is the dominate browser because it comes installed on most PCs. Not only that but up until Apple came out with Safari and switched to Intel CPUs Macs came with IE as well. Heck MS still makes Office for Macs, I got my Mac with MS Office 2004 Test Drive installed when I got it less than a year ago.
Back to my point, if iTunes was so bad millions of Windows users would not have downloaded and installed it on their PCs. And Linux developers would not have bothered to create software iTunes like for Linux.
I am a Mac user too and I'm typing this on yet another Macbook Pro. But that doesn't change the fact that it's OS X, not an X window environment of any sort (Gnome etc). and so works on different paradigms.
And have you dropped into the terminal? Though it comes on the dvds XWindows' X11 isn't installed on new Macs, so I did install it. As well as MacPorts to install Redhat's RPM and.pkg and Fink to install Debian's apt-get software.
xsan is a software product that allows a unified volume of storage over a network of available space, while the xserve raid was a physical piece of hardware comprised of an xserve and an array of hdds
No, I may not understand right. I thought Xserve RAID and Xsan were mass storage devices with some sort of failsafe protection. So I was thinking why offer two different systems, Xserve RAID was dropped right after Xsan was offered.
they make you feel really "special"? "hip" people? "hardcore" hobbies, like playing in bands? good lord... I mean, honestly, I'm 21 and after reading your description I'm actually *scared* of Apple, so I can't imagine a 30-something experienced engineer thinking "wow, that sure sounds like a cool place to work for".
It sound good to me. I don't have dreadlocks but my hair is longer than many others like and my beard is unruly, actually my neighbor who moved in is making a bunch of noise about tying me down so he can cut my hair and beard. Some have also called me, and in some ways I am like one, a hippy. For hobbies other than camping and hiking I love to cliff and scuba dive, hunt, rock climb and repel, and would like to hangglide. I would also love to learn to play an instrument, specifically the Nighteagle flute I own.
There's not many vets Google would have jobs for though, maybe security? If you are choosing at 18 to join the military, you're already not a good enough programmer to ever work for companies like Google/apple/microsoft no matter how much work you do later.
Not even good programmers are born with sliver spoons in their mouth and need assistance, which the US military does offer, to go to college. I went into the military specifically to save money to go to college when I got out. Another person I knew in the Army spent his tyme in the military working on his degree, it took 8 years but he got his BA degree.
The people Google/Apple/Microsoft hire get PHDs younger than navy recruits getting into SEALS.
That's it right there, it takes so long to become a Navy SEAL that if you went to college instead you might earn your PhD first. I went into the Army, and tried to go into the Special Forces, which was easier to get into back then. I was told nobody could enlist for the SF, you had to go into something else, such as the Army Rangers or 82nd Airborn first. Once you had served in that for some years then you could request SF training, however the waiting list was more than 2 years long back then. I don't know how they do it now.
It's fairly obvious why military vets are a bad choice for the likes of Google. Google depends on independent thinking, on employees questioning everything that they are doing and trying out new things on their own. But military vets have been conditioned to follow orders, period.
Not all vets are conditioned to follow orders. When I was in the military I almost constantly questioned orders I was given, and if I thought so I'd say it was stupid. One commanding officer, CO, liked it that I did and put in a request for me to go to a school, helicopter flight school to learn to pilot helicopters. Another CO I had though, afterwards, didn't like it that I asked questions.
If you have time for the military in your 20's, you're not a dedicated enough programmer for a company like Google, Microsoft, or Apple.
Or you could be showing them you are very dedicated. I went into the military precisely to save money to go to college when I got out. In high school I didn't know anything about financial aid. I did get one offer of assistance to get into and pay for college when I was a senior, however it was from a marine research lab for a related field of study and I wanted to major in Computer Engineering. So I enlisted in the army to save money.
If I knew then what I know now I would have taken the offer, and taken a double major, CE and a marine science.
Tiger has never crashed on me, though I've only been using it about 10 months. The only software problems I have had is with Firefox, once in a while it unexpectedly shuts down. The one hardware problem, well it might a problem with Tiger I don't really know, is that occasionally when I close then open the lip on my MacBook Pro it doesn't always resume. Closing then reopening it, repeatedly some tymes, usually works though.
No, NT4 was the best, and the only good MS Windows OS. Of all the Windows OSes I've used, since 3.x the only I have not used is 2003 and Vista, only NT4 didn't crash on me.
I missed the part where MacOS was the same thing as Unix. If you want Unix behavior, use Unix.
I can, by dropping into the terminal. OS X is built on Unix, er BSD from Nextstep. Aqua is the user interface built on top of OS X. And with X11 installed I can run most any program that runs in X Windows.
Actually I'm typing this on my new, well about 10 months old, MacBook Pro. When I switched from MS Windows and bought it I was thinking I'd install Ubuntu on it as a dualboot system, but then I started wondering why, I can do almost everything on it now I could do with Ubuntu.
For every apple success there is a history of modern flops such as: apple hifi, apple tv mk 1, the cube, xserve raid, etc
As Xserve was replaced by the Xsan 2 I wouldn't necessarily call it a flop. Now I didn't find any sales or marketshare data for the Xserve so I can't say whether it failed or not.
I'm surprised that China isn't producing low-$ apple clones.
Macs are built in China, the MacBook Pro I'm typing this on was shipped from Shanghai. As for clones, the problem with them is that if there's a problem with them Apple will get the blackeye. And more importantly cheaper clones will reduce Apple's hardware sales, Apple did allow Mac clones but after Apple bought NeXT and brought back Steve Jobs he looked at the books and saw Apple was losing more in hardware sales than it made in licensing the Mac OS. So he ended licensing.
It's reading things like this that help put my little worldview in perspective. I'm out in the sticks of Eastern Washington (the state), earning ~52k writing software, paying 645 for a two-bed, and maybe a mile from the Columbia River and the mess of parks cluttering the shore.
That sound fantastic, as long as it's a mortgage you're paying not rent. At one tyme I wanted to move there so I could scuba dive and observe the J, K, and L pods of orcas as well as do some hiking.
Fair use is (1) a legal defence in a copyright violation case, not a right;
From Wiki:
"The doctrine only existed in the U.S. as common law until it was incorporated into the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. 107".
From the US Copyright Office:
"Although fair use was not mentioned in the previous copyright law, the doctrine has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years. This doctrine has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law."
What precisely do you think it will cost to lay out fiber to everyone? 200M won't even do a major city. Just what sort of return do you expect to see on that?
Sorry I mistyped, which if you had read TFA I linked to you should have noticed it. I meant $200 Billion not $200 Million. And that was just a low estimate of how much businesses got in subsidies. For instance "California schools and libraries have received $1.6 billion"[pdf] from the federal E-Rate program. The state of California has it's own program, California Teleconnect Fund which gives subsidies as well. Other states, and local governments, also give subsidies.
What percentage of WoW players even know its running a p2p distribution network? What percentage know that means or how to turn it off?
I don't know how many, I didn't know myself. However I don't play WoW or any other online game, nor am I a member of many other online groups pr communities. Obviously I am a member of/. The only other places I am a member of online is Yahoo!'s groups, which used to have some real good clubs but they've been going downhill since merging with EGroups, and a community of college students, however I haven't visited it in many months if not more than a year.
I read his post, did you read mine? He said, and I included it, he didn't want to throttle certain websites and I said that's why some people want net neutrality, so their ISP won't throttle websites that won't pay extra.
Logically I think ISPs should be raising prices to their own consumers, because I believe firmly in net-neutrality. And am very much against the sort of double dipping that not having net-neutrality would allow.
Same here, but only after ISPs either build out their network infrastructure or give the subsidies the government gave them to build it out back. The government gave them more than $200 million of taxpayer money. And stop advertizing it as unlimited. They did so to lure customers to sign up with them, and now that people are they are crying.
I am ALSO going to consume considerable EXTRA upload bandwidth to seed that movie to others. And the ISP will be billing ME for that extra upload.
You can't control what programs on your computer has access to the internet? When I used Windows I also used the ZoneAlarm firewall which allowed me to do just that. I didn't get around to installing a firewall on my Linux PC but I have one on my Mac as well.
I thought net neutrality was supposed to treat everyone's comparable traffic that same and not to charge extra for preferred delivery of packets.
I think that's what Richard Bennett, TFA writer, is missing about net neutrality. Nowhere does he address the possibility of ISPs demanding one content provider, such as Google, pay them not to slow their traffic.
It sounds like "I feel bad, therefore we should pass a law".
Generally I don't like, I actually oppose, new laws however what TFA writer misses besides what I say above is free speech. Say PHB at cableco X is a conservative and hates liberals so he has his engineers slow down connections to Daily Kos whereas PHB at cableco Y hates conservatives and slows down traffic from Free Republic. Both websites deliver html but their politics are different. Another thing he misses is that the government has given more than $200 billion of taxpayer money to buildout the broadband infrastructure, which for the most part they have not done.
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If it's so bad then why do millions of people use it? And not just on Macs, but on Windows too?
So, Windows == best OS ever, and IE == best browser ever?
Notice I didn't say iTubes was the best, only questioned why if it's so bad why do millions of people use it. As for Windows, just because more people use it than any other OS that doesn't make it the best. It's best for some but not all, or even most. The reason it's on most PCs is because most PCs come with it installed and most people don't install an OS. If Linux came preinstalled on more PCs and it didn't require a special order to get one more people would use it. Same with OS X. Michael Dell said he'd love to be able to sale PCs with OS X installed, the only reason to say something like that is if there's a ready market for it. But that's hardly likely to happen as Apple isn't likely to license OS X. By licensing it to clone builders Apple's hardware sells would be harmed, and if there are problems with the clones Apple will get a blackeye. And just as with Windows, IE is the dominate browser because it comes installed on most PCs. Not only that but up until Apple came out with Safari and switched to Intel CPUs Macs came with IE as well. Heck MS still makes Office for Macs, I got my Mac with MS Office 2004 Test Drive installed when I got it less than a year ago.
Back to my point, if iTunes was so bad millions of Windows users would not have downloaded and installed it on their PCs. And Linux developers would not have bothered to create software iTunes like for Linux.
FalconOk, you're right. As a doctrine fair use is not a right.
FalconI am a Mac user too and I'm typing this on yet another Macbook Pro. But that doesn't change the fact that it's OS X, not an X window environment of any sort (Gnome etc). and so works on different paradigms.
And have you dropped into the terminal? Though it comes on the dvds XWindows' X11 isn't installed on new Macs, so I did install it. As well as MacPorts to install Redhat's RPM and .pkg and Fink to install Debian's apt-get software.
Falconxsan is a software product that allows a unified volume of storage over a network of available space, while the xserve raid was a physical piece of hardware comprised of an xserve and an array of hdds
No, I may not understand right. I thought Xserve RAID and Xsan were mass storage devices with some sort of failsafe protection. So I was thinking why offer two different systems, Xserve RAID was dropped right after Xsan was offered.
FalconAs the Xserve RAID was a RAID shelf, and Xsan is a SAN distributed file system, the Xserve RAID wasn't replaced by Xsan 2.
Sorry but I don't understand the differences, they're both mass storage with some sort of failsafe built in aren't they?
Falconthey make you feel really "special"? "hip" people? "hardcore" hobbies, like playing in bands? good lord... I mean, honestly, I'm 21 and after reading your description I'm actually *scared* of Apple, so I can't imagine a 30-something experienced engineer thinking "wow, that sure sounds like a cool place to work for".
It sound good to me. I don't have dreadlocks but my hair is longer than many others like and my beard is unruly, actually my neighbor who moved in is making a bunch of noise about tying me down so he can cut my hair and beard. Some have also called me, and in some ways I am like one, a hippy. For hobbies other than camping and hiking I love to cliff and scuba dive, hunt, rock climb and repel, and would like to hangglide. I would also love to learn to play an instrument, specifically the Nighteagle flute I own.
And I'm 40-something.
FalconThere's not many vets Google would have jobs for though, maybe security? If you are choosing at 18 to join the military, you're already not a good enough programmer to ever work for companies like Google/apple/microsoft no matter how much work you do later.
Not even good programmers are born with sliver spoons in their mouth and need assistance, which the US military does offer, to go to college. I went into the military specifically to save money to go to college when I got out. Another person I knew in the Army spent his tyme in the military working on his degree, it took 8 years but he got his BA degree.
FalconThe people Google/Apple/Microsoft hire get PHDs younger than navy recruits getting into SEALS.
That's it right there, it takes so long to become a Navy SEAL that if you went to college instead you might earn your PhD first. I went into the Army, and tried to go into the Special Forces, which was easier to get into back then. I was told nobody could enlist for the SF, you had to go into something else, such as the Army Rangers or 82nd Airborn first. Once you had served in that for some years then you could request SF training, however the waiting list was more than 2 years long back then. I don't know how they do it now.
FalconIt's fairly obvious why military vets are a bad choice for the likes of Google. Google depends on independent thinking, on employees questioning everything that they are doing and trying out new things on their own. But military vets have been conditioned to follow orders, period.
Not all vets are conditioned to follow orders. When I was in the military I almost constantly questioned orders I was given, and if I thought so I'd say it was stupid. One commanding officer, CO, liked it that I did and put in a request for me to go to a school, helicopter flight school to learn to pilot helicopters. Another CO I had though, afterwards, didn't like it that I asked questions.
FalconIf you have time for the military in your 20's, you're not a dedicated enough programmer for a company like Google, Microsoft, or Apple.
Or you could be showing them you are very dedicated. I went into the military precisely to save money to go to college when I got out. In high school I didn't know anything about financial aid. I did get one offer of assistance to get into and pay for college when I was a senior, however it was from a marine research lab for a related field of study and I wanted to major in Computer Engineering. So I enlisted in the army to save money.
If I knew then what I know now I would have taken the offer, and taken a double major, CE and a marine science.
FalconTiger has never crashed on me, though I've only been using it about 10 months. The only software problems I have had is with Firefox, once in a while it unexpectedly shuts down. The one hardware problem, well it might a problem with Tiger I don't really know, is that occasionally when I close then open the lip on my MacBook Pro it doesn't always resume. Closing then reopening it, repeatedly some tymes, usually works though.
FalconNo, NT4 was the best, and the only good MS Windows OS. Of all the Windows OSes I've used, since 3.x the only I have not used is 2003 and Vista, only NT4 didn't crash on me.
FalconYea but Larry Ellison knows how to sail.
FalconBTW the only reason itunes and quicktime are number one is because everyone with an ipod is forced to use it.
I could use my iPod, if I had one but I don't, on my Linux PC, which I do have, using gtkpod.
FalconI missed the part where MacOS was the same thing as Unix. If you want Unix behavior, use Unix.
I can, by dropping into the terminal. OS X is built on Unix, er BSD from Nextstep. Aqua is the user interface built on top of OS X. And with X11 installed I can run most any program that runs in X Windows.
Actually I'm typing this on my new, well about 10 months old, MacBook Pro. When I switched from MS Windows and bought it I was thinking I'd install Ubuntu on it as a dualboot system, but then I started wondering why, I can do almost everything on it now I could do with Ubuntu.
Falcontheres itunes the single biggest clusterfuck of a program you could imagine.
If it's so bad then why do millions of people use it? And not just on Macs, but on Windows too?
FalconWould you rather have iMovie or Windows Movie Maker on your resume?
I'd rather have Apple Final Cut Studio 2.
What about iTunes vs Sonic Stage?
I'd rather have Sound Forge and Audacity.
FalconFor every apple success there is a history of modern flops such as: apple hifi, apple tv mk 1, the cube, xserve raid, etc
As Xserve was replaced by the Xsan 2 I wouldn't necessarily call it a flop. Now I didn't find any sales or marketshare data for the Xserve so I can't say whether it failed or not.
FalconI'm surprised that China isn't producing low-$ apple clones.
Macs are built in China, the MacBook Pro I'm typing this on was shipped from Shanghai. As for clones, the problem with them is that if there's a problem with them Apple will get the blackeye. And more importantly cheaper clones will reduce Apple's hardware sales, Apple did allow Mac clones but after Apple bought NeXT and brought back Steve Jobs he looked at the books and saw Apple was losing more in hardware sales than it made in licensing the Mac OS. So he ended licensing.
FalconIt's reading things like this that help put my little worldview in perspective. I'm out in the sticks of Eastern Washington (the state), earning ~52k writing software, paying 645 for a two-bed, and maybe a mile from the Columbia River and the mess of parks cluttering the shore.
That sound fantastic, as long as it's a mortgage you're paying not rent. At one tyme I wanted to move there so I could scuba dive and observe the J, K, and L pods of orcas as well as do some hiking.
FalconFair use is (1) a legal defence in a copyright violation case, not a right;
From Wiki:
"The doctrine only existed in the U.S. as common law until it was incorporated into the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. 107".
From the US Copyright Office:
"Although fair use was not mentioned in the previous copyright law, the doctrine has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years. This doctrine has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law."
That summarizes section 107. And 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use. Here's Standford University Library's Copyright and Fair Use section, with court cases.
So long as only a small part of an article is used it is covered by Fair Use. For more here's what Findlaw has to say, including When Copying is Okay.
FalconWhat precisely do you think it will cost to lay out fiber to everyone? 200M won't even do a major city. Just what sort of return do you expect to see on that?
Sorry I mistyped, which if you had read TFA I linked to you should have noticed it. I meant $200 Billion not $200 Million. And that was just a low estimate of how much businesses got in subsidies. For instance "California schools and libraries have received $1.6 billion"[pdf] from the federal E-Rate program. The state of California has it's own program, California Teleconnect Fund which gives subsidies as well. Other states, and local governments, also give subsidies.
What percentage of WoW players even know its running a p2p distribution network? What percentage know that means or how to turn it off?
I don't know how many, I didn't know myself. However I don't play WoW or any other online game, nor am I a member of many other online groups pr communities. Obviously I am a member of /. The only other places I am a member of online is Yahoo!'s groups, which used to have some real good clubs but they've been going downhill since merging with EGroups, and a community of college students, however I haven't visited it in many months if not more than a year.
FalconThe real Drudge site links directly to stories, and doesn't keep "snippets" or other content. This guy needs to wise up.
When using only small parts of articles that is fair use and is legal.
FalconI read his post, did you read mine? He said, and I included it, he didn't want to throttle certain websites and I said that's why some people want net neutrality, so their ISP won't throttle websites that won't pay extra.
Logically I think ISPs should be raising prices to their own consumers, because I believe firmly in net-neutrality. And am very much against the sort of double dipping that not having net-neutrality would allow.
Same here, but only after ISPs either build out their network infrastructure or give the subsidies the government gave them to build it out back. The government gave them more than $200 million of taxpayer money. And stop advertizing it as unlimited. They did so to lure customers to sign up with them, and now that people are they are crying.
I am ALSO going to consume considerable EXTRA upload bandwidth to seed that movie to others. And the ISP will be billing ME for that extra upload.
You can't control what programs on your computer has access to the internet? When I used Windows I also used the ZoneAlarm firewall which allowed me to do just that. I didn't get around to installing a firewall on my Linux PC but I have one on my Mac as well.
FalconI thought net neutrality was supposed to treat everyone's comparable traffic that same and not to charge extra for preferred delivery of packets.
I think that's what Richard Bennett, TFA writer, is missing about net neutrality. Nowhere does he address the possibility of ISPs demanding one content provider, such as Google, pay them not to slow their traffic.
It sounds like "I feel bad, therefore we should pass a law".
Generally I don't like, I actually oppose, new laws however what TFA writer misses besides what I say above is free speech. Say PHB at cableco X is a conservative and hates liberals so he has his engineers slow down connections to Daily Kos whereas PHB at cableco Y hates conservatives and slows down traffic from Free Republic. Both websites deliver html but their politics are different. Another thing he misses is that the government has given more than $200 billion of taxpayer money to buildout the broadband infrastructure, which for the most part they have not done.
Falcon
"Should there be a law?"