I work for an ISP, and net neutrality scares the hell out of me. We do not want to, and will not throttle back certain sites who won't pay us for premium access, or create a tiered pricing structure for our customers
Ah but that's why some are pushing for net neutrality, so that access providers won't demand either content providers or the ISP's customers pay more not to have the connection slowed down.
The point is content providers should provide their own bandwidth
They do, Google pays for it's own bandwidth as do Amazon, Apple, and eBay.
(That's more than 50 per state, so if you don't patronize one, it's not their fault.) That's hardly a duopoly situation.
It is a duopoly if you only have 2 choices for broadband, and many don't have 2 choices. If you're lucky you have a choice for cable and dsl, many can't get either, and even if you can sign up with a third party ISP they still use either the cableco's or telco's lines.
Rather, it's greed on the part of some bandwidth hogging users
No it's greed on the part of access providers. Nothing made them offer unlimited access plans, but once people took them up on the offer they are crying. It's nothing more than offering more than they can provide and that's a problem of their own making.
Now, if they want to start charging some people more for using more bandwidth then I want them to pay back the billions of taxpayer dollars they got in subsidies to build out their infrastructure. They took the taxpayers' money and used it to boost their bottom line without doing what they were given the money do to.
but here in the UK there's no monopoly (you can switch ISPs fairly quickly and there's maybe a dozen or more to choose from)
In the US people have a choice for dialup speeds but most people don't have a choice for broadband, heck some people can't get broadband. A small number of people are lucky to have both cable and dsl access but if they can get broadband at all it's usually either cable or dsl not both.
I noticed Richard Bennett does not address a couple of things that concerns people who push for net neutrality laws, the throttling of of traffic from some websites but not others even though they the same type of files, such as with political websites or commercial websites. Say a PHB at cableco X doesn't like Daily Kos so s/he has it slowed down whereas PHB at cableco Y doesn't like Free Republic so that company slows it down. With commercial websites cableco X goes into partnership with Amazon and so slows connections to bookpool. The only difference between these websites are the originators, they are in competition with each other.
ah. the evil thickens. i literally have only one other option for my area, and that's clearwire, which is just unacceptably slow and overpriced. color me depressed.
You probably won't like this either then, Paul Allen also kicked in $500 million to start DreamWorks SKG. Don't let it get too down though, DreamWorks uses Linux.
This to be followed by googles entry into the ISP market?
Google was in the ISP business, offering WiFi, but got out or is getting out of it. Just as Earthlink and others have found out it's hard to make money with free muni-wifi.
Ask "most users" how to make a DVD on your mac that just plays in a loop and they'll be dumbfounded, because it's not obvious (well, it wasn't in the idvd in 10.4... times may have changed, sorry) and users are allergic to help files.
I don't know how to make a DVD either, except maybe to drag and drop. I haven't needed to it yet but I can look it up. Right now though I am copying documents to an external HDD as a backup.
Major refinements to gnome-app-install and the inclusion of the new network manager would do a lot of what is wrong, though. Hopefully that stuff will come in Intrepid.
Check out CNR, Click N Run. They have an app, compatible with Ubunutu, that allows software to be installed by simply clicking and running. It can also update software or uninstall it.
Give OpenOffice 3 a try. the links to the beta page should be on their front page. It runs without X11.
Maybe I will. I use NeoOffice because I want to use a native Mac app if I can, I'd rather run native apps than run an app in X11 though I installed it. For this reason I haven't gotten CrossOver Mac to run Windows software. So far I've found software for OS X for what I want to do, except an offline browser. The one reason I may get it is to run IE, to test webpages to make sure they work for the most widely used browser.
The upper pie is based on the share of systems by operating system family...
Ok I see it now. I thought the two different charts were supposed to be for different tyme periods, I would have liked to see what the growth of Linux was in the financial sector.
The bottom pie is different because it represents the operating system family's share of processing power. Here you'll note the Windows systems have disappeared entirely
Yea I see, while Windows has disappeared Linux has shrunk. And mixed increased.
Since you're making the observation that the data is seven months old, are you anticipating some upswell in adoption of Windows among the HPC crowd
I'm not anticipating much at this point, except that there will be more support for OSes other than Windows, say Linux and OS X. For instance it used to be day traders had to use Windows because there wasn't much if any software for any other OS, Solaris maybe, but software can now be found for OS X and I heard some is appearing for Linux.
Ironically though, the Wall Street Journal, pride of the überrightwing Murdoch Empire -- News Corpse International -- is still as M$ fan boy as any good rightwinger should be.
If you are thinking of macros, OOo will support them soon.
I hope so, about a week ago I was emailed a lease form and I tried to open it with NeoOffice, the Mac native port of OO.org, and it didn't display properly. After that I checked what version is installed though which is 2.1. The current available version for download is 2.2.3 which I'll try once I install it. Now I don't know if the doc didn't display properly because of macros or what but I hope the upgrade works.
To get back on the topic that this thread started with, I don't want science class being taught that religion. I don't want The Book of Genesis being read in school. Nor do I want science classes claiming that everything is a coincidence and a Creator is not necessary and does not exist. I want students given the data, taught the math and left to make up their own minds. There is no lesson more important for any school or class to teach than the ability to think and form conclusions based on the knowledge at hand.
I don't mind religion being taught in school, public schools, but not in science classes. Teach it in history, humanities, philosophy, or in social studies classes showing what effects religions have had. I also support a comparative religions class. The only place where religion belongs in science is how religion has affected science from a historical perspective.
As an American who had lived for a number of years in Europe, long enough to have gained a reliable sense of conditions on the ground (and Asia as well), I can tell you that America has no less "civilized" a culture than any other place in the world that I am familiar with.
I should have used a better phrase, depending on how you define civilized the US can be as civilized as any other nation. I used "Wild West" because that's an image many people in the world can understand. Myself, I grew up learning to handle, shoot, and take care of firearms. As a youth I went hunting and to practice we frequently target practiced. And where I grew up people were expected to be able to handle firearms respectfully. And whoever shot an animal was expected to clean what was shot and you only shot what you were going to use. Hence my saying "Strict gun control is hitting the target when you shoot."
This is why I pointed out Theistic religions in particular. One of the prisons I'd least like to visit (not that I would like to visit any prison for that matter) the "bangkok hilton" is in a Buddhist (not Theistic) country, compared to that place being a "guest of her majesty" is like taking an all expenses paid holiday.
Though not the same I can across something similar. More than 10 years ago I had an accident which put me in a coma. After I came out of it I told someone I wish I had been in Japan and had been taken to a monastery. Spirituality was something I believed in before the accident but I realized after I no longer held the beliefs I had.
I am not saying that all offenders will re-offend or conversion affects this one way or another
Ok, I agree it's a tactic some use to get out, my point is that jailhouse conversions do work for some.
my point about religion is that it makes it easier for 1. criminals to justify their crimes (in the name of god, they were heathens, etc...)
I agree with this too. For instance some use the crucification of Jesus to justify antisemitism, though I'm puzzled as to why "antisemitism" is used.
As an aside, why am I puzzled by antisemitism? Break down the word, "anti" means against and "Semite" means descendants of Shem. Now both Hebrews or Jews and Arabs are Semites. Both are descendants of Abraham's sons, Hebrews are from his son Issac and Arabs are from his son Ishmael. And Abraham was a Semite. So when most people talk about antisemitism what they mean is anti Hebrews or Jews, not anti Semite.
If you spent more than a few years having that kind of circular logic drilled into your brain at the threat of eternal damnation for not accepting it you would have a really hard time with that whole science and logic business too. Especially since they start at a VERY young age.
Not all of them start as children. In college a friend and fellow student started dating this guy. Perhaps we shouldn't have said anything but a few of us warned her about him, no body liked this guy except her. Anyway she dropped out of college and moved half way across the country to live with him where his parents lived. There he got her pregnant and dumped her. A few years later I bumped into her. I talked with her a few tymes but she came back as a Born Again Christian always sprouting off about Jesus, so I started cutting my tyme with her short and avoiding her when I could. I felt sorry but I couldn't take what she kept saying.
Personally I think the historical Jesus is more impressive. Assuming his teachings and actions are recorded correctly (just the way he behaved personally and what he spoke about, ignoring the flashy miracle business) I think he is a FAR more impressive figure.
That sounds like the Jefferson Bible. Thomas Jefferson cut all stuff about miracles and such out of a Bible separating his moral teachings from religion.
We are talking about fractions of a second AFTER the big bang, not the current inflation that the universe is experiencing. In other words, it's not a problem now, but would have prevented EVERYTHING about 13 billion years ago.
Yea, there might be a misunderstanding, but I don't know who's it is. If the universe is expanding faster now than what it was thought it was expanding either what was thought as the initial conditions is wrong or there's an outside force, or one we just don't know of, that's forcing it to speed up.
Mac OS is what died with version 9. Some of its toolkits still live, but what we have today are Windows and UNIX, and Apple is in the business of selling UNIX.
We look at it differently then, I look at the OS that created for Macs by Apple run as MacOS and OSX runs Macs. Yes, it's compleatly different than MacOS 9 and earlier but it's still MacOS. It generally works well however it doesn't for MkLinux, though Apple worked on running Linux on Macs I don't consider MkLinux as MacOS.
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Who? Affected how?
Me. By the government giving broadband providers $200 Billion+ of my tax money to build out broadband which they did not do.
Falconfunding an objective (e.g. "high-speed access for everyone")
The US government has already funded broadband access.
FalconI work for an ISP, and net neutrality scares the hell out of me. We do not want to, and will not throttle back certain sites who won't pay us for premium access, or create a tiered pricing structure for our customers
Ah but that's why some are pushing for net neutrality, so that access providers won't demand either content providers or the ISP's customers pay more not to have the connection slowed down.
The point is content providers should provide their own bandwidth
They do, Google pays for it's own bandwidth as do Amazon, Apple, and eBay.
Falcon(That's more than 50 per state, so if you don't patronize one, it's not their fault.) That's hardly a duopoly situation.
It is a duopoly if you only have 2 choices for broadband, and many don't have 2 choices. If you're lucky you have a choice for cable and dsl, many can't get either, and even if you can sign up with a third party ISP they still use either the cableco's or telco's lines.
Rather, it's greed on the part of some bandwidth hogging users
No it's greed on the part of access providers. Nothing made them offer unlimited access plans, but once people took them up on the offer they are crying. It's nothing more than offering more than they can provide and that's a problem of their own making.
Now, if they want to start charging some people more for using more bandwidth then I want them to pay back the billions of taxpayer dollars they got in subsidies to build out their infrastructure. They took the taxpayers' money and used it to boost their bottom line without doing what they were given the money do to.
Falconbut here in the UK there's no monopoly (you can switch ISPs fairly quickly and there's maybe a dozen or more to choose from)
In the US people have a choice for dialup speeds but most people don't have a choice for broadband, heck some people can't get broadband. A small number of people are lucky to have both cable and dsl access but if they can get broadband at all it's usually either cable or dsl not both.
falconI noticed Richard Bennett does not address a couple of things that concerns people who push for net neutrality laws, the throttling of of traffic from some websites but not others even though they the same type of files, such as with political websites or commercial websites. Say a PHB at cableco X doesn't like Daily Kos so s/he has it slowed down whereas PHB at cableco Y doesn't like Free Republic so that company slows it down. With commercial websites cableco X goes into partnership with Amazon and so slows connections to bookpool. The only difference between these websites are the originators, they are in competition with each other.
Falconah. the evil thickens. i literally have only one other option for my area, and that's clearwire, which is just unacceptably slow and overpriced. color me depressed.
You probably won't like this either then, Paul Allen also kicked in $500 million to start DreamWorks SKG. Don't let it get too down though, DreamWorks uses Linux.
Falconi'm convinced that my ISP (charter) is throttling youtube specifically.
Know why? Paul Allen, cofounder of Microsoft, owns a controlling interest in Charter Cable (;-
FalconIf the ISPs ever actually switched to a supply/demand pricing model, with tiered bandwidth
If ISP actually moved to a free market they'd have to pay back the billions of dollars the government gave them to build out their networks.
FalconThis to be followed by googles entry into the ISP market?
Google was in the ISP business, offering WiFi, but got out or is getting out of it. Just as Earthlink and others have found out it's hard to make money with free muni-wifi.
FalconAsk "most users" how to make a DVD on your mac that just plays in a loop and they'll be dumbfounded, because it's not obvious (well, it wasn't in the idvd in 10.4... times may have changed, sorry) and users are allergic to help files.
I don't know how to make a DVD either, except maybe to drag and drop. I haven't needed to it yet but I can look it up. Right now though I am copying documents to an external HDD as a backup.
Major refinements to gnome-app-install and the inclusion of the new network manager would do a lot of what is wrong, though. Hopefully that stuff will come in Intrepid.
Check out CNR, Click N Run. They have an app, compatible with Ubunutu, that allows software to be installed by simply clicking and running. It can also update software or uninstall it.
FalconGive OpenOffice 3 a try. the links to the beta page should be on their front page. It runs without X11.
Maybe I will. I use NeoOffice because I want to use a native Mac app if I can, I'd rather run native apps than run an app in X11 though I installed it. For this reason I haven't gotten CrossOver Mac to run Windows software. So far I've found software for OS X for what I want to do, except an offline browser. The one reason I may get it is to run IE, to test webpages to make sure they work for the most widely used browser.
FalconThe upper pie is based on the share of systems by operating system family...
Ok I see it now. I thought the two different charts were supposed to be for different tyme periods, I would have liked to see what the growth of Linux was in the financial sector.
The bottom pie is different because it represents the operating system family's share of processing power. Here you'll note the Windows systems have disappeared entirely
Yea I see, while Windows has disappeared Linux has shrunk. And mixed increased.
Since you're making the observation that the data is seven months old, are you anticipating some upswell in adoption of Windows among the HPC crowd
I'm not anticipating much at this point, except that there will be more support for OSes other than Windows, say Linux and OS X. For instance it used to be day traders had to use Windows because there wasn't much if any software for any other OS, Solaris maybe, but software can now be found for OS X and I heard some is appearing for Linux.
FalconIronically though, the Wall Street Journal, pride of the überrightwing Murdoch Empire -- News Corpse International -- is still as M$ fan boy as any good rightwinger should be.
According to this article, "Wall Street Journal's Walt Mossberg flirts with Ubuntu" Walt Mossberg is in Apple's camp. He tried a Dell preloaded with Ubuntu and he wasn't too happy, er said it isn't ready for most users yet.
FalconIf you are thinking of macros, OOo will support them soon.
I hope so, about a week ago I was emailed a lease form and I tried to open it with NeoOffice, the Mac native port of OO.org, and it didn't display properly. After that I checked what version is installed though which is 2.1. The current available version for download is 2.2.3 which I'll try once I install it. Now I don't know if the doc didn't display properly because of macros or what but I hope the upgrade works.
FalconThe list that proves you wrong is right here
Both pie charts have the same date, November 2007.
FalconTo get back on the topic that this thread started with, I don't want science class being taught that religion. I don't want The Book of Genesis being read in school. Nor do I want science classes claiming that everything is a coincidence and a Creator is not necessary and does not exist. I want students given the data, taught the math and left to make up their own minds. There is no lesson more important for any school or class to teach than the ability to think and form conclusions based on the knowledge at hand.
I don't mind religion being taught in school, public schools, but not in science classes. Teach it in history, humanities, philosophy, or in social studies classes showing what effects religions have had. I also support a comparative religions class. The only place where religion belongs in science is how religion has affected science from a historical perspective.
FalconAs an American who had lived for a number of years in Europe, long enough to have gained a reliable sense of conditions on the ground (and Asia as well), I can tell you that America has no less "civilized" a culture than any other place in the world that I am familiar with.
I should have used a better phrase, depending on how you define civilized the US can be as civilized as any other nation. I used "Wild West" because that's an image many people in the world can understand. Myself, I grew up learning to handle, shoot, and take care of firearms. As a youth I went hunting and to practice we frequently target practiced. And where I grew up people were expected to be able to handle firearms respectfully. And whoever shot an animal was expected to clean what was shot and you only shot what you were going to use. Hence my saying "Strict gun control is hitting the target when you shoot."
FalconThis is why I pointed out Theistic religions in particular. One of the prisons I'd least like to visit (not that I would like to visit any prison for that matter) the "bangkok hilton" is in a Buddhist (not Theistic) country, compared to that place being a "guest of her majesty" is like taking an all expenses paid holiday.
Though not the same I can across something similar. More than 10 years ago I had an accident which put me in a coma. After I came out of it I told someone I wish I had been in Japan and had been taken to a monastery. Spirituality was something I believed in before the accident but I realized after I no longer held the beliefs I had.
I am not saying that all offenders will re-offend or conversion affects this one way or another
Ok, I agree it's a tactic some use to get out, my point is that jailhouse conversions do work for some.
my point about religion is that it makes it easier for 1. criminals to justify their crimes (in the name of god, they were heathens, etc...)
I agree with this too. For instance some use the crucification of Jesus to justify antisemitism, though I'm puzzled as to why "antisemitism" is used.
As an aside, why am I puzzled by antisemitism? Break down the word, "anti" means against and "Semite" means descendants of Shem. Now both Hebrews or Jews and Arabs are Semites. Both are descendants of Abraham's sons, Hebrews are from his son Issac and Arabs are from his son Ishmael. And Abraham was a Semite. So when most people talk about antisemitism what they mean is anti Hebrews or Jews, not anti Semite.
FalconIf you spent more than a few years having that kind of circular logic drilled into your brain at the threat of eternal damnation for not accepting it you would have a really hard time with that whole science and logic business too. Especially since they start at a VERY young age.
Not all of them start as children. In college a friend and fellow student started dating this guy. Perhaps we shouldn't have said anything but a few of us warned her about him, no body liked this guy except her. Anyway she dropped out of college and moved half way across the country to live with him where his parents lived. There he got her pregnant and dumped her. A few years later I bumped into her. I talked with her a few tymes but she came back as a Born Again Christian always sprouting off about Jesus, so I started cutting my tyme with her short and avoiding her when I could. I felt sorry but I couldn't take what she kept saying.
FalconPersonally I think the historical Jesus is more impressive. Assuming his teachings and actions are recorded correctly (just the way he behaved personally and what he spoke about, ignoring the flashy miracle business) I think he is a FAR more impressive figure.
That sounds like the Jefferson Bible. Thomas Jefferson cut all stuff about miracles and such out of a Bible separating his moral teachings from religion.
FalconWe are talking about fractions of a second AFTER the big bang, not the current inflation that the universe is experiencing. In other words, it's not a problem now, but would have prevented EVERYTHING about 13 billion years ago.
Yea, there might be a misunderstanding, but I don't know who's it is. If the universe is expanding faster now than what it was thought it was expanding either what was thought as the initial conditions is wrong or there's an outside force, or one we just don't know of, that's forcing it to speed up.
FalconThat's because they have to take the gun home with them after leaving service, but the ammo has to stay in the barracks.
And nobody can buy, or make, their own ammo?
FalconNo one said OSX is dead. MacOS died at version 9, and OSX replaced it.
Those OSes before OSX are the Classical Mac OS.
Hopefully that is straight forward enough. OSX is a Unix varient, and very much alive.
While OSX is based on BSD it's still the MacOS, OSX is the successor to Classical MacOS.
FalconMac OS is what died with version 9. Some of its toolkits still live, but what we have today are Windows and UNIX, and Apple is in the business of selling UNIX.
We look at it differently then, I look at the OS that created for Macs by Apple run as MacOS and OSX runs Macs. Yes, it's compleatly different than MacOS 9 and earlier but it's still MacOS. It generally works well however it doesn't for MkLinux, though Apple worked on running Linux on Macs I don't consider MkLinux as MacOS.
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