Of course I won't be going to Dell, but Apple seems to go out of their way to put difficult rubbish in their machines (WiFi!) - and instead of viewing the enemy of their enemy as a friend, they are as much anti Linux as Microsoft are:/
Considering that Apple helped create a version of Linux for Macs, MKLinux I'd say Apple was friendly to Linux.
forgive me for not reviewing before replying. I can only assume you mean compy, monitor, etc. If this is the case, then yes for under $700.
Yes, that's pretty much what I mean when I say all-in-one. Personally I don't like them, not for the desktop. For that I prefer something that expandable and upgradeable.
Somebody else posted that. It could be wrong. Not a bad guess though.
I have to admit I made a mistake, half of one that is. While it doesn't come with Photoshop it does come with Adobe Elements Studio which includes Photoshop Elements.
I've got a MBP with the glossy screen and I like it. So far I haven't had a problem with viewing it and for graphics it's better than the old displays. However I've been looking for a monitor at least 24" for graphics.
I'd love an option to buy a Mac Medium.... bigger than the (doomed?) Mini, yet not the $2500 Mac Pro.
Sign me up for a Mac Medium. I'd love to have an expandable and upgradeable Mac without the Mac Pro price tag. Then again I'd also like a MacBook Pro with, say a 21" display.
It really doesn't matter how good Apple's computer is. In my and a lot of people's opinions, the lock-in factor instantly dooms it. If I stick with Dell and Windows, then in a couple of years, I don't have to return to Dell if I don't want to, and I can still keep my software investment. With Apple, you have to throw away EVERYTHING to get away from Apple.
I can use the same software on Linux just as easily as I do on my Mac.
Apple's hardware has never been price-competitive with generic equivalents purely on a hardware basis. Apple's margins are significantly higher than Dell's
While Mac prices may be higher than generic white, or beige, boxes but they are competitive with Dells.
I haven't been impressed by the reliability of Macintosh hardware
I have only had 2 hardware problems with Macs. On one Mac the floppy died after I had it 8 years. The second I don't really know if it's hardware or software but after 6 years it refused to boot. However I've had both the motherboard and the hdd die in 2 PCs before they were even a year old.
Isn't it a false economy to say that the iMac is cheaper? A PC will last you about 2-3 years before it starts to creak but a monitor should theoretically last you much longer, most people only buy new monitors because they're switching from CRTs or what something bigger. With the imac you lose the monitor when you upgrade and have to factor the cost of it in when buying the next system. With a Dell you could save yourself $300 off and reuse the monitor. Dells also are much easier to incrementally upgrade than imacs.
Where do you get the idea you can use the Dell monitor with another PC but you can't use the Apple monitor with another one?
I'm waiting for the next iMac revision to see what the video looks like and I'll see if I can swing one based on my finances. I can always write if off my taxes since I work from home.
I hope you know what you're doing. Making a purchase for both business and personal use can be tricky with taxes.
If they'd only increase my hardware budget, I'd order one through work.:-)
"Flex fuel" is bullshit. All it means is that they use slightly better rubber hoses and have extra programming in the ECU. It doesn't actually help anything (at least not until ethanol from sources other than corn is widely available); it's just a way for US auto makers (in collusion with the corn lobby) to weasel out of real improvements!
Yea, corn gets all the publicity while sugar cane is a better feed source than corn and Switchgrass is even better than sugar. Corn gets it because the corn lobby is big and they get a lot of subsidies.
If I'm going to have to throw the whole thing out once it becomes obsolete, I'm going to buy the one that's going to last the longest.
If I were to go strictly on how long it would last I'd have to pick the iMac. I bought 2 Macs that were about 3 years old when I bought them. The first one I got 1992, it lasted until 2000. The second I got in 2000 a few months after the first one died, it died in 2006. During the same tyme I bought 2 brand new Windows PCs. In the first year the hdd and the motherboard had to be replaced on both. And because of OS crashes I had to reinstall Windows on both a bunch of tymes.
Oh, and the PCs were major brands. The first was a Gateway and the second was an HP.
Dell doesn't really want to give any particular specs on the processor
Maybe you missed it but next to the "Processor/Display" box on Dell's page for the XPS One there's a question mark. Click on it and you get what the cpu specs are.
Yes, I know Apple makes laptops too. I have no problem with them if you're a Mac person. I just don't "get" the whole category of computers that the iMac and XPS One fit into. What is it, the bigger screen vs. a laptop? Hell, you could buy a laptop *and* a 24" LCD screen for less than an XPS One, and then you'd have a really nice computer with the same huge screen *and* it'd be fully portable!
I agree compeatly. A laptop is a terrific all-in-one and if you want a larger monitor get one.
Maybe in the past, but I'm not so sure of the present. We have mid range Dell's at work (can't recall exactly what they are). We're a small hospital and there are about 75 PCs of various ages, all running XP. They just work. There is the occasional hard drive failure, the occasional monitor going south, but that's about it.
The first tyme I used XP it was installed on a Dell and it froze when booting up. Whether it was because of XP or the hardware I don't know but it gave me a bad impression.
I recently bought a Mac Book Pro hoping to get off the Microsoft treadmill and yet continue to use Photoshop. After about a week of very stable running, it kernel panic'ed left and right. After dealing with the Usual Suspects - and learning more about the internals of OS X than I had really wanted to - it appeared to be the fault of an (Apple supplied) stick of memory.
I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro I got in August and the only problem I've had with it, other than typing related, is software. I ordered it online and when I got it a utility I ordered with it wouldn't work when booting up, it gave me an err message. I went to a Genius Bar at an Apple store and it turned out the version Apple sent to me was for a previous version of the MBP. And occasionally FireFox spontaneously crashes, but then it asks if I want to restart it and with the websites open that was open when it crashed. Even counting these however I've had far less trouble with the MBP than I had with all but one Windows PC I've had.
On a side note, I can't believe I just made an argument that a Mac was cheaper from a hardware standpoint.
*head asplode*
Depending on what the configuration is some Macs are cheaper than equivalent Windows PC. this has been true for a few years. The key though is that you have to start with a Mac then configure a Windows PC to the same specs as Apple doesn't offer nearly as many configurations as PC OEMs.
You left out wireless keyboard and mouse and the built-in TV function. While you may be able to get them for the iMac, they come standard on the XPS One. Subjectively he also says he likes the looks of it.
That also brings into point my first consideration. I remember back in the 70's or 80's when a lot of the American car companies were having trouble because of the new Japanese models. American companies kept putting out more and more of what they wanted the public to buy and the Japanese companies were finding out what sold and focusing on that. It was only when American companies began to realize what was going on that they started listening to customers instead of telling them what was good or desirable.
American car companies still haven't learned the lessons form the '70s and '80s. They still refuse to produce fuel efficient autos. Though there are more flex fuel American autos where are the hybrid and all electric vehicles? GM withdrew the one all electric vehicle they had, the EV1 while there was a waiting list of people wanting to buy, or lease as GM was only leasing them, one.
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Of course I won't be going to Dell, but Apple seems to go out of their way to put difficult rubbish in their machines (WiFi!) - and instead of viewing the enemy of their enemy as a friend, they are as much anti Linux as Microsoft are :/
Considering that Apple helped create a version of Linux for Macs, MKLinux I'd say Apple was friendly to Linux.
Falconforgive me for not reviewing before replying. I can only assume you mean compy, monitor, etc. If this is the case, then yes for under $700.
Yes, that's pretty much what I mean when I say all-in-one. Personally I don't like them, not for the desktop. For that I prefer something that expandable and upgradeable.
FalconSomebody else posted that. It could be wrong. Not a bad guess though.
I have to admit I made a mistake, half of one that is. While it doesn't come with Photoshop it does come with Adobe Elements Studio which includes Photoshop Elements.
FalconI've got a MBP with the glossy screen and I like it. So far I haven't had a problem with viewing it and for graphics it's better than the old displays. However I've been looking for a monitor at least 24" for graphics.
FalconI'd love an option to buy a Mac Medium.... bigger than the (doomed?) Mini, yet not the $2500 Mac Pro.
Sign me up for a Mac Medium. I'd love to have an expandable and upgradeable Mac without the Mac Pro price tag. Then again I'd also like a MacBook Pro with, say a 21" display.
FalconI think the iMac and XPS One already has.
FalconIt really doesn't matter how good Apple's computer is. In my and a lot of people's opinions, the lock-in factor instantly dooms it. If I stick with Dell and Windows, then in a couple of years, I don't have to return to Dell if I don't want to, and I can still keep my software investment. With Apple, you have to throw away EVERYTHING to get away from Apple.
I can use the same software on Linux just as easily as I do on my Mac.
FalconMS software all seems bass-ackwards to me, starting with the directory seperator ("\ is ass backwards, Bill)
Before DOS had directories "/" was for options.
FalconApple's hardware has never been price-competitive with generic equivalents purely on a hardware basis. Apple's margins are significantly higher than Dell's
While Mac prices may be higher than generic white, or beige, boxes but they are competitive with Dells.
FalconI haven't been impressed by the reliability of Macintosh hardware
I have only had 2 hardware problems with Macs. On one Mac the floppy died after I had it 8 years. The second I don't really know if it's hardware or software but after 6 years it refused to boot. However I've had both the motherboard and the hdd die in 2 PCs before they were even a year old.
FalconFor the price your going to pay for either, I could build something better, add a 20% markup, and still save you money.
You can build an all in one?
FalconIsn't it a false economy to say that the iMac is cheaper? A PC will last you about 2-3 years before it starts to creak but a monitor should theoretically last you much longer, most people only buy new monitors because they're switching from CRTs or what something bigger. With the imac you lose the monitor when you upgrade and have to factor the cost of it in when buying the next system. With a Dell you could save yourself $300 off and reuse the monitor. Dells also are much easier to incrementally upgrade than imacs.
Where do you get the idea you can use the Dell monitor with another PC but you can't use the Apple monitor with another one?
FalconI'm waiting for the next iMac revision to see what the video looks like and I'll see if I can swing one based on my finances. I can always write if off my taxes since I work from home.
I hope you know what you're doing. Making a purchase for both business and personal use can be tricky with taxes.
If they'd only increase my hardware budget, I'd order one through work. :-)
Having the employer buy is better.
FalconIt comes with Elements, which may as well be Photoshop unless you're planning on doing professional print work.
Where does it say it comes with Elements?
Falconincludes a group of Adobe multimedia programs that are less well integrated and more complex.
So you got Photoshop and you're whining that you want iLife back?
I must of missed it, where did it say it came with Photoshop?
FalconAh. Subtle. I try and stay off the Dell page, so I don't know my way around very well.
I don't visit the Dell site much myself. About the only tyme I do is when I compare a similarly configured Dell to a Mac.
Falcon"Flex fuel" is bullshit. All it means is that they use slightly better rubber hoses and have extra programming in the ECU. It doesn't actually help anything (at least not until ethanol from sources other than corn is widely available); it's just a way for US auto makers (in collusion with the corn lobby) to weasel out of real improvements!
Yea, corn gets all the publicity while sugar cane is a better feed source than corn and Switchgrass is even better than sugar. Corn gets it because the corn lobby is big and they get a lot of subsidies.
Falconor something like that?
According to the Fool Apple's market share is 6.3% slice of the domestic PC market, twice what you say. However that's still a small share of the market. However it looks as if Apple Macintosh Computers Likely To Gain Market Share. And a Wharton Prof Debunks Market Share Myth.
FalconIf I'm going to have to throw the whole thing out once it becomes obsolete, I'm going to buy the one that's going to last the longest.
If I were to go strictly on how long it would last I'd have to pick the iMac. I bought 2 Macs that were about 3 years old when I bought them. The first one I got 1992, it lasted until 2000. The second I got in 2000 a few months after the first one died, it died in 2006. During the same tyme I bought 2 brand new Windows PCs. In the first year the hdd and the motherboard had to be replaced on both. And because of OS crashes I had to reinstall Windows on both a bunch of tymes.
Oh, and the PCs were major brands. The first was a Gateway and the second was an HP.
FalconDell doesn't really want to give any particular specs on the processor
Maybe you missed it but next to the "Processor/Display" box on Dell's page for the XPS One there's a question mark. Click on it and you get what the cpu specs are.
FalconYes, I know Apple makes laptops too. I have no problem with them if you're a Mac person. I just don't "get" the whole category of computers that the iMac and XPS One fit into. What is it, the bigger screen vs. a laptop? Hell, you could buy a laptop *and* a 24" LCD screen for less than an XPS One, and then you'd have a really nice computer with the same huge screen *and* it'd be fully portable!
I agree compeatly. A laptop is a terrific all-in-one and if you want a larger monitor get one.
FalconMaybe in the past, but I'm not so sure of the present. We have mid range Dell's at work (can't recall exactly what they are). We're a small hospital and there are about 75 PCs of various ages, all running XP. They just work. There is the occasional hard drive failure, the occasional monitor going south, but that's about it.
The first tyme I used XP it was installed on a Dell and it froze when booting up. Whether it was because of XP or the hardware I don't know but it gave me a bad impression.
I recently bought a Mac Book Pro hoping to get off the Microsoft treadmill and yet continue to use Photoshop. After about a week of very stable running, it kernel panic'ed left and right. After dealing with the Usual Suspects - and learning more about the internals of OS X than I had really wanted to - it appeared to be the fault of an (Apple supplied) stick of memory.
I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro I got in August and the only problem I've had with it, other than typing related, is software. I ordered it online and when I got it a utility I ordered with it wouldn't work when booting up, it gave me an err message. I went to a Genius Bar at an Apple store and it turned out the version Apple sent to me was for a previous version of the MBP. And occasionally FireFox spontaneously crashes, but then it asks if I want to restart it and with the websites open that was open when it crashed. Even counting these however I've had far less trouble with the MBP than I had with all but one Windows PC I've had.
FalconOn a side note, I can't believe I just made an argument that a Mac was cheaper from a hardware standpoint.
*head asplode*
Depending on what the configuration is some Macs are cheaper than equivalent Windows PC. this has been true for a few years. The key though is that you have to start with a Mac then configure a Windows PC to the same specs as Apple doesn't offer nearly as many configurations as PC OEMs.
Falconhigher than the iMac.
You left out wireless keyboard and mouse and the built-in TV function. While you may be able to get them for the iMac, they come standard on the XPS One. Subjectively he also says he likes the looks of it.
FalconThat also brings into point my first consideration. I remember back in the 70's or 80's when a lot of the American car companies were having trouble because of the new Japanese models. American companies kept putting out more and more of what they wanted the public to buy and the Japanese companies were finding out what sold and focusing on that. It was only when American companies began to realize what was going on that they started listening to customers instead of telling them what was good or desirable.
American car companies still haven't learned the lessons form the '70s and '80s. They still refuse to produce fuel efficient autos. Though there are more flex fuel American autos where are the hybrid and all electric vehicles? GM withdrew the one all electric vehicle they had, the EV1 while there was a waiting list of people wanting to buy, or lease as GM was only leasing them, one.
Falcon