If you mean first for technolgy and computers, yes, but "hack" had been used for a long tyme to mean someone else. In the 1920s, I believe, "hack" meant someone who was a journalist, reporter, or writer. I'm not sure but I think "hack" was used in the 1941 movie "Citizen Kane", meaning reporter.
I want my personal box to be as easy and hassle free as possible so I run windows and only windows.
Sounds like you want a Mac.
Say what you want about bloatware, but it's nice to buy a piece of hardware and have it just work.
I've bought 4 new PCs for myself running some version of Windows, two were from Gateway, one from HP, and the other one is from Microway. The one from Microway is the only one of the four that I did not have trouble with either the hardware or the OS, which is NT4.0. One of the Gateways and the HP had to have their motherboards replaced before they were a year old as well the hdd for each. The LCD on the other Gateway cracked a few mnonths after getting it. Also with both the first Gateway and the HP I had to reinstall Windows a few tymes.
I have also bought two USED Macs. The first one was an SE30 I bought in 1992, it lasted until the floppy drive died in 2000. That was the first hardware problem I had with it, and I didn't have any trouble with the OS. The second is a PowerMac 7300/200 I got a few months later, in 2000. It lasted until January 2006 when it didn't power up. Again that was the first hardware problem and it didn't have software problems either.
It's nice to install a program without having to recompile the kernel.
You don't need to recompile the OS on Macs either.
It's nice to have a box I can actually buy decent games for.
Now that's one thing lacking on Macs, there are a lot of games for Macs but not nearly as many as for Windows.
1. Windows is the most popular OS on the planet. Just for shear number of systems it is most hacked.
Yea, I went into a Mac store, not an Apple store, and asked about antivirus and firewall programs and the worker I talked to said Macs don't get infected and don't get broken into. I tried to tell him the only reason is because the people who do such things target OSes with big market shares and that when Macs get big enough a share they will be targetted. He just kept saying OSX is immune.
While I like Macs and believe they are more secure than Windows for the average user, unlike what this guy was saying, Macs will be cracked
Yes, but therein lies the problem I've always seen with the term that the tech community would prefer people use, i.e. that "cracker" already has a slang definition, and most people in the world will have reactions ranging from confusion to effrontery at the notion that their computer system was compromised by a bunch of rednecks.
I don't think there's much of a chance people confuse someone who's proficient with something like a computer and a white Southerner or redneck. Hack also has another meaning, a hack used to also mean a journalist, reporter, or writer.
There is no revision of history when someone points out hackers ARE NOT criminals nor that they intentionally damage systems. The first tyme "hacker" was used derogatorily was in the 1980s, before then Hacker meant "simply referred to a person who was capable of creating hacks, or elegant, unusual, and unexpected uses of technology."
The concept of hacking entered the computer culture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the 1960s...
But there are standards for success as a hacker, just as grades form a standard for success as a tool. The true hacker can't just sit around all night; he must pursue some hobby with dedication and flair. It can be telephones, or railroads (model, real, or both), or science fiction fandom, or ham radio, or broadcast radio. It can be more than one of these. Or it can be computers.
Hanford, in Washington. They were already storing the liquid wastes, so it seemed reasonable to vitrify the stuff and store it there permanently. Then came the reports on the stored liquid leaking enough to get offsite, and they were off the list.
I do not remember where they were planning to put it in Texas, though. If Texas, for that matter.
Here, I found it:
1986 The DOE issues final Environmental Assessments and nominates five candidate repository sites from the original nine, and then selects three western sites -- in Nevada, Texas, and Washington -- for detailed investigation, from which one is to be selected for repository licensing.
If the billing module is a stand alone program then it is all good. If you added code to Inksscape which I would find an odd way of doing things then you would be bound by the GPL.
In order to call, launch,or simply use the billing module from within Inkscape I'd add some calls into Inkscape. Say add a "billing" selection to the tools menu which when selected will start the billing module. I know if I were to distribute Inkscape with my calls added I'd have to include those calls in the source but as the billing module would be self contained and isn't based on Inkscape at all, I don't know. The best example I can think of is with a web browser. If in a browser window I click on a mailto link, the browser will launch my email program so I can send email. The email program doesn't use and isn't based on the browser, it just launchs when the mailto link is clicked on in a browser.
What I would suggest if you really wanted to make money from this is to find a bunch of FOSS packages that do most of what you would want them to do. Add some bits of code to improve them and donate that back to the community. Then create a pretty package, installer, and a good mannual along with any closed source custom programs that you think would add value.
My goal isn't so much to make money with this as it is to make what I do, er what I want to do, easier. I was attending college working on a programming degree when I had to dropout. While I was going though I also took some photography classes, I love it, and some of the photography students thought it would help them if they could have an online portfolio. So I was thought of the idea of starting a business of creating websites for photographers. I also noticed many of them said Photoshop was too expensive when starting out, and they had no idea how to run or manage a business. So I thought I'd take a FOSS image editor, maybe make some improvements, create a db, and accounting software to create a sort of turnkey solution to starting a photography business online. I'd use it myself but I could also sell it to others. The way the photography business is today, with digicam and the internet, photographers are finding it harder and harder to stay in the business and they need some sort of comparative advantage or specialize in a niche market.
Then sell it with support. Or offer PCs with your package preloaded so you are a one shop stop.
The first one, offering support, I think would take too much out of me. Perhap though if I were to start a business selling turnkey solutions, say selling preloaded Macs, I may be able to hire or contract out support. And yes, Macs are still heavily used in photography and other graphics professions. While Windows, and to a lesser extent Linux, was used in my department in college the graphics arts department for which photography was part all used Macs.
That's a complicated quetion and there's no general-purpose answer. The problem is the legal interpretation of "derivative work". If the module is "derived" (in a legal sense as applied to software) from the Inkscape source, then no. If your module really is independent, then yes.
What I'd probably do is add some calls in Inkscape, or whatever else, that calls the billing module. I know those calls, being added to Inkscape, would have to be open. But I'm not sure about the billing module, which wouldn't be based on Inkscape. Why would I want to use a graphics program as a basis for an accounting program?
If the original program were BSD, this new-and-improved version could be distributed closed-source. If the original program were GPL, the new-and-improved version would/have/ to be GPL too (and they could still sell it -- but they couldn't stop anyone they sold it to from giving it away for free).
That's what I was saying about prefering BSD, as long as the license of the software I use as a base allows it I could improve on it then close the source. If I spend X amount of tyme programming improving a graphics engine I'd like to be able to keep the source closed long enough to make my tyme worthwhile by selling. Especially if it offers a competitive edge in the graphics, photo, industry. If the source had to be open why would I even release or distribute my improvements, I could just keep them for myself. Since I wouldn't be distributing it I wouldn't have to share my improvements.
That's what some people mean when they call the GPL "viral". If you include a little bit of GPL code in a large piece of software, you can't just say that it's 98% closed and 2% open. It's either all-GPL or no-GPL.
All the Patriot Act did was make the act of transferring the currency against the law,
Why in the world should transfering any amount of money be against the law? If I earn $10,000 or $1,000,000 I should be able to do whatever I want with it. The only thing that should matter is that I don't harm, or cause harm to, another. If I do charge me with that harm, not for doing whatever I want with my money.
Do you recognize the sovereignty of this nation?
Do you recognize I'm a sovereign person? Especially in the USA, it's supposed to be By the People, For the People. The government is supposed to work for the people not the people work for the government.
It seems like just recently I'm seeing a lot of people here write "tyme" instead of "time". Or maybe it's just Falcon over and over again, I don't know (no offense Falcon). Is this the new "loose"?
That I know of I've the only one that uses the spelling of "time" as "tyme". And it's not new, it's an Old English spelling. The first tyme I saw it was in the latter 1970s in volume 20 of 20 something volumes of the Oxford English Dictionary, OED. I've used that spelling since. I've also had to drag teachers and profs to the library or copy the page with that spelling to show them it was correct when they marked my spelling as wrong.
Say you develop a photo-editing (or whatever) piece of software and release it under the GPL. Then you add a few new features and decide to start charging money for a closed-source version with more functionality. No problem! That is just fine.
Ok, thanks I didn't know that. What if I were to take another GPL software like Inkscape and add a billing module, could I close source the module?
You see the difference? If it's your code, the GPL doesn't keep you from doing anything you want. The only thing it restricts is what you can do with Joe's code. Joe was nice enough to give you his code for free; why should you be allowed to charge other people for it?
Maybe it wasn't obvious in my previous post but in reverse that's what I was concerned with. Someone else taking my code then selling it, with or without bug fixes and such, without me seeing any money. Afterall why should I program some software if I can't try to make some money? I could be spending my tyme on something else like scuba diving and photography. See, I'm not a nerd sitting in a basement banging out code day in day out. While I don't work because of a disability, I love doing other things such as the aforementioned scuba diving and photograhy.
By all means, continue disliking the GPL (I certainly don't particularly like it). But please do so for the right reasons.
I never said I didn't like the GPL, what I said was I prefered the BSD style licenses. Appearently though, from what you say the GPL does allow me to do at least some of the things for which I prefered the BSD.
If you really wants to be able to sell (software including) his code, you can ask him for special permission to do so.
You don't need "Joe's" permission to sale software with his code do you? I thought the GPL just prevented you from taking his code and closing the source, you had to include the code source if you distributed it. If you can't sale the software then I was ripped off when I paid for RedHat years ago. How do all these companies get away with violating the GPL by selling software?
Yucca Mountain is (or has) an underground salt dome, hence believed to be fairly stable, geologically (no Canadian Shield, but good for a few 10,000 years).
Yea, a few 10,000s of years. The tyme period had to be lower to 10,000 years from millions so they would be able to say Yucca is a good place. Many of the isotopes that will be stored there, if is used for storage, have a half-life of more than a million years, some over 100 million. Originally when a place was being decided on where to store radioactive waste back in the 1970s there were three places being considered, Yucca Mountain, Utah, someplace in Washington, and another in Texas though I don't recall exactly where in either state. Both Washington and Texas were able to get their names taken off the list because they had strong congressional representation, leaving only Yucca on the list.
A subduction zone is where the planet is eating its crust
Not quite. A subduction zone is where one tectonic plate is sliding under another. Putting anything there and it could go down OR up, ie "cling" to the plate sliding under or "cling" to the plate floating over the other. By drilling a cavity into the submerging plate deep enough then plugging the cavity to hold the waste this could be mitigated if not not stopped.
Another thing that might work that could be done is to mix the waste in a glassy substance and let it harden. The mixture can then be placed in those cavities.
Obviously, you vitrify the stuff first
Ok, I see you already cover what I last said, the glassy substance. I couldn't recall what the process was called.
Forgetting about mining uranium, where are you going to store spent fuel, Yucca Mountain?
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And the salt just stays there, rather than washing away, why?
What salt?
Also, there is always Hawaiia Volcano Nat'l Park. Just dump it into the molten lava and let it emerge as rock in a few years.
You mean let it emerge as radioactive gases?
There are large subduction zones around the world, as well.
A few months ago I read an article on this that pointed out some problems with putting nuclear waste in a subduction zone, unfortunately I don't recall where I read it. One problem I recall though was that it could be expelled and spread around contaminating the ocean floor.
I just made a quick check and found a download site with 1000 image editors. How many open source applications do you need? There's GIMP and Krita and... honestly, I can't think of a third one.
I've got a few more bookmarked. As for why there are so many, some are meant to do specific things, run in specific environments, or to edit specific formats. Some, like POV-Ray, are vector graphics editors. Some are bitmap editors. Some are 2D and others 3D. Some only run on Y OS in Z like Krita is for KDE. There are a number of reasons there are so many different FOOS image editors.
As to the problems with making money off of FOSS. Well yes it isn't always easy and frankly I don't believe in FOSS as a universal solution for all software problems. It is great in some areas but I think is far from the universal solution that RMS and the faithful believe.
This brings up an area where I prefer BSD type licenses over the GPL. I love photography and would like to program a compleat photo/graphics suite including editing, a db for inventory and photos, and a billing module along others. However if I were to work on an app for this I'd want to be able to be sure I could make some money selling it if I were to spend so much tyme developing it before someone else started making money off it, yet still have at least some of the source open. BSD allows code to be closed so long as all of the original authors are credited from what I understand. If I'm wrong on this could someone reasonably correct me? However the GPL says all of the GPL code has to be open.
I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with not funding a repressive totalitarian regime or anything... I'm as suspicious for corporate conspiracies as the next guy, but we should not send our capital to Fidel and his minions for any reason.
We traded with China and the Soviet Union, we certainly can trade with Cuba as well. One reason given for trade with China is that it would open up China, the same thing applies to Cuba.
As for totalitarian regimes the US has supported quite a few. Bush Jr took us to war against one, Saddam. However his dad Bush Sr as president and as VP with Reagan as president both supported Saddam. The Reagan and Bush Sr admins supported Saddam while he was using WMDs against not just Iran but also against Kurds and others in Iraq. Before Reagan and Bush Sr, Pres Ford and Henry Kissinger supported the dictator Gen Pinochet when he overthrew a democratically elected government. Both also supported the president of Indonesia General Suharto's invasion of the sovereign country of East Timor. After the invasion 200,000 East Timorese, one third of the population of East Timor, were massacred.
The US has supported dictators and atrocious human rights violaters and has no legs to stand on to support it's stance on Cuba. Hell the US supported the Cuban dictator Batista before Castro was able to overthrow him, if it hadn't been for the corrupt Batista Castro may of never gained power. This is not to excuse Castro but the US has plenty of blood on it's own hands.
I wonder if the growing need for OS and client software diversity will finally make hardware manufacturers start to do real multiple OS support and web site designers to finally code to be non-client dependent.
I met one website developer who only used Macs. She ran Windows in a vm so she could test in Windows browsers but that's it. I've heard others are the same.
OpenOffice on Windows
Though I'm using Windows on my desktop now I plan on getting a MBP RSN, and I'll try OO, NeoOffice, or another version of OO. I'm wondering what db to get though. I don't know if it's still true but I heard MySQL doesn't properly handle relations, and I've been thinking of trying PostGres and, or Firebird.
Once you replace the killer app you really open the door to your flavor of linux distro on the PC.
I've got a PC running Linspire Linux which I use as a server or storage right now, but as I say above I want to get a Macbook Pro for a laptop. The killer app(s) for me will be a graphics/photo editor and tools for web development. Photoshop is available for the Mac however before I fork over the money for it I want to try some FOOS apps, like POV-Ray, blender, or Inkscape to see if any of them is a good replacement for PS.
Most of the sugar we use in the US is not cane sugar at all. The primary sugar in processed foods here is made from corn (high fructose corn syrup) which is the main reason why our soda tastes like crap compared to soda bottled in Mexico where they use cane.
All too true. Because of the high high fructose corn syrup in prepared foods the diet is poor for too many in the US. Though not successful I try to stay away from it, the only tyme I willingly use it is when I brew. I use it for beer, bock, or lager but I prefer fruit and maybe a bit of honey for wine.
What most Americans identify as "sugar" is actually made from beets.
It's still sugar, just not from sugarcane. There are many types of sugar, both complex and simple sugars. And with starchs, they are carbohydrates.
Hemp isn't used for paper in China, where I reside, either. Hemp is not cultivated as anything more than a niche item in any country, even though the 1937 law you mentioned only affected the US.
Ne how, You're right hemp is basically only used in niche markets now. However prior to the 1937 act it was widely cultivated in the USA. Thomas Jefferson along with other Founding Fathers of the USA grew it on their farms. TJ even wrote the Declaration Of Independence on paper made from hemp. At one tyme he wrote farmers should be required to grow hemp, he couldn't follow through with proposing such a law though because he knew it would interfer with their rights.
As for other countries, Canada is working on being a big exporter of hemp or hemp products, headed by Alberta. Romania is a big grower and exporter of hemp, and in Europe governments subsidize hemp farmers. Audubon Magazine says it's grown in 32 countries and asks why isn't it legal in the US.
In the US the reason told to the public hemp is be made illegal is that it was called the devil's weed and it made people violent, take a look at "Reefer Madness" which depicts marijuana users as violent and going "mad". However other countries like the Soviet Union made it illegal because, as every study I have ever heard of confirms, marijuana does the opposite. It calms people down and makes them lethargic, "chill babe" or "chill dude". The SU couldn't have it's military unwilling to fight in battle.
while i grow organic produce for myself, i'm not going to fool myself into thinking it would work on a commercial scale.
So, there are no organic farms? Funny, Willing Workers on Organic Farms has 80 farms in Haiwaii where people can volunteer to work. Local Harvest list 269 organic farms in my area. My coop, The Wedge, which is 5 minutes walk for me is supplied by a number of these organic farms. The same with my other coop, Lakewinds.
the method you are reffering to is rotation planting, and you would require 3x the farm land. in effect you would be cutting down an aweful lot of the eco system your attempting to protect.
Other than using nitrogen fixers I didn't say anything about any methods in the post you replied to, I did mention in other posts that organic farmers use companion planting though. And using companion planting can increase the yield of a given amount of land can produce.
again your ALL displaying how little you understand about what your mouthing off about. if you were going to farm for bio fuel, it's not going to happen in a forrest which has an eco system to support your 1000 year old tree.
And your displaying how little you know. Trees can be used as a source of cellulose as well. And where do you thing all the wood pulp to make paper comes from? A lot of it comes from clear cuts of forest, which isn't sustainable. As for farming, there are Tree Farms and there are fast growing trees. Grow fast growing trees on tree farms and you have a source of cellulose. Of course these tree farms will probably do as much if not more damage to the environment as using petro does. Grown in a monoculture like conventional farmers grow food crops, these trees will need a lot of chemical inputs. However using organic methods and permaculture these chemical inputs won't be needed.
Its going to happen on a large plantation with nothing but the most optimal plant you can grow for your purpose, in an attempt to get the max yield per square metre.
Why use conventioanl agricultural methods and plant a monoculture when on the same land you can grow a mix of crops. Organic farmers don't plant monocultures, they use companion planting. Different food crops can be grow alongside crops for ethanol, much as is done for shade grown coffee, "the bird friendly coffee".
Oh, I see you mention fast growing crops. At the same tyme you mention bio diversity, which I handle above. Instead of growing a monoculture grow different crops together. Shade loving crops, like coffee, can be grown under taller trees. It takes more work but the yield per acre is higher.
so, if you can't understand the problem now, well sorry but your just plain thick.
It seems you're the one who doesn't understand. That or you're a troll.
I don't know if it is or not, nor do I plan on finding out. The latest MS Office I have is Office 97 and I don't really need a newer version. Heck I haven't used 97 in 2 or 3 years. And because MS wants to treat me like a criminal, that's what Activation, WGA, and WPA do amoung other things, I'm even switching my OS. The PC I'm typing this on runs Windows however last year I got a new PC with Linux preinstalled, I'm using it as a server right now. And when I get a laptop, RSN, I'll get a Macbook Pro. As it is now I'll stay as far away from MS products as I can.
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Because it was our word first
If you mean first for technolgy and computers, yes, but "hack" had been used for a long tyme to mean someone else. In the 1920s, I believe, "hack" meant someone who was a journalist, reporter, or writer. I'm not sure but I think "hack" was used in the 1941 movie "Citizen Kane" , meaning reporter.
FalconYeap! A relatively long haired one. I even like The WELL.
FalconI want my personal box to be as easy and hassle free as possible so I run windows and only windows.
Sounds like you want a Mac.
Say what you want about bloatware, but it's nice to buy a piece of hardware and have it just work.
I've bought 4 new PCs for myself running some version of Windows, two were from Gateway, one from HP, and the other one is from Microway. The one from Microway is the only one of the four that I did not have trouble with either the hardware or the OS, which is NT4.0. One of the Gateways and the HP had to have their motherboards replaced before they were a year old as well the hdd for each. The LCD on the other Gateway cracked a few mnonths after getting it. Also with both the first Gateway and the HP I had to reinstall Windows a few tymes.
I have also bought two USED Macs. The first one was an SE30 I bought in 1992, it lasted until the floppy drive died in 2000. That was the first hardware problem I had with it, and I didn't have any trouble with the OS. The second is a PowerMac 7300/200 I got a few months later, in 2000. It lasted until January 2006 when it didn't power up. Again that was the first hardware problem and it didn't have software problems either.
It's nice to install a program without having to recompile the kernel.
You don't need to recompile the OS on Macs either.
It's nice to have a box I can actually buy decent games for.
Now that's one thing lacking on Macs, there are a lot of games for Macs but not nearly as many as for Windows.
Falcon1. Windows is the most popular OS on the planet. Just for shear number of systems it is most hacked.
Yea, I went into a Mac store, not an Apple store, and asked about antivirus and firewall programs and the worker I talked to said Macs don't get infected and don't get broken into. I tried to tell him the only reason is because the people who do such things target OSes with big market shares and that when Macs get big enough a share they will be targetted. He just kept saying OSX is immune.
While I like Macs and believe they are more secure than Windows for the average user, unlike what this guy was saying, Macs will be cracked
FalconYes, but therein lies the problem I've always seen with the term that the tech community would prefer people use, i.e. that "cracker" already has a slang definition, and most people in the world will have reactions ranging from confusion to effrontery at the notion that their computer system was compromised by a bunch of rednecks.
I don't think there's much of a chance people confuse someone who's proficient with something like a computer and a white Southerner or redneck. Hack also has another meaning, a hack used to also mean a journalist, reporter, or writer.
FalconRevisionist history a little?
There is no revision of history when someone points out hackers ARE NOT criminals nor that they intentionally damage systems. The first tyme "hacker" was used derogatorily was in the 1980s, before then Hacker meant "simply referred to a person who was capable of creating hacks, or elegant, unusual, and unexpected uses of technology."
The concept of hacking entered the computer culture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the 1960s...
But there are standards for success as a hacker, just as grades form a standard for success as a tool. The true hacker can't just sit around all night; he must pursue some hobby with dedication and flair. It can be telephones, or railroads (model, real, or both), or science fiction fandom, or ham radio, or broadcast radio. It can be more than one of these. Or it can be computers.
Steven Levy has written a good book on what and who hackers are, Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution
FalconHanford, in Washington. They were already storing the liquid wastes, so it seemed reasonable to vitrify the stuff and store it there permanently. Then came the reports on the stored liquid leaking enough to get offsite, and they were off the list.
I do not remember where they were planning to put it in Texas, though. If Texas, for that matter.
Here, I found it:
1986 The DOE issues final Environmental Assessments and nominates five candidate repository sites from the original nine, and then selects three western sites -- in Nevada, Texas, and Washington -- for detailed investigation, from which one is to be selected for repository licensing.
FalconIf the billing module is a stand alone program then it is all good. If you added code to Inksscape which I would find an odd way of doing things then you would be bound by the GPL.
In order to call, launch,or simply use the billing module from within Inkscape I'd add some calls into Inkscape. Say add a "billing" selection to the tools menu which when selected will start the billing module. I know if I were to distribute Inkscape with my calls added I'd have to include those calls in the source but as the billing module would be self contained and isn't based on Inkscape at all, I don't know. The best example I can think of is with a web browser. If in a browser window I click on a mailto link, the browser will launch my email program so I can send email. The email program doesn't use and isn't based on the browser, it just launchs when the mailto link is clicked on in a browser.
What I would suggest if you really wanted to make money from this is to find a bunch of FOSS packages that do most of what you would want them to do. Add some bits of code to improve them and donate that back to the community. Then create a pretty package, installer, and a good mannual along with any closed source custom programs that you think would add value.
My goal isn't so much to make money with this as it is to make what I do, er what I want to do, easier. I was attending college working on a programming degree when I had to dropout. While I was going though I also took some photography classes, I love it, and some of the photography students thought it would help them if they could have an online portfolio. So I was thought of the idea of starting a business of creating websites for photographers. I also noticed many of them said Photoshop was too expensive when starting out, and they had no idea how to run or manage a business. So I thought I'd take a FOSS image editor, maybe make some improvements, create a db, and accounting software to create a sort of turnkey solution to starting a photography business online. I'd use it myself but I could also sell it to others. The way the photography business is today, with digicam and the internet, photographers are finding it harder and harder to stay in the business and they need some sort of comparative advantage or specialize in a niche market.
Then sell it with support. Or offer PCs with your package preloaded so you are a one shop stop.
The first one, offering support, I think would take too much out of me. Perhap though if I were to start a business selling turnkey solutions, say selling preloaded Macs, I may be able to hire or contract out support. And yes, Macs are still heavily used in photography and other graphics professions. While Windows, and to a lesser extent Linux, was used in my department in college the graphics arts department for which photography was part all used Macs.
FalconThat's a complicated quetion and there's no general-purpose answer. The problem is the legal interpretation of "derivative work". If the module is "derived" (in a legal sense as applied to software) from the Inkscape source, then no. If your module really is independent, then yes.
What I'd probably do is add some calls in Inkscape, or whatever else, that calls the billing module. I know those calls, being added to Inkscape, would have to be open. But I'm not sure about the billing module, which wouldn't be based on Inkscape. Why would I want to use a graphics program as a basis for an accounting program?
If the original program were BSD, this new-and-improved version could be distributed closed-source. If the original program were GPL, the new-and-improved version would /have/ to be GPL too (and they could still sell it -- but they couldn't stop anyone they sold it to from giving it away for free).
That's what I was saying about prefering BSD, as long as the license of the software I use as a base allows it I could improve on it then close the source. If I spend X amount of tyme programming improving a graphics engine I'd like to be able to keep the source closed long enough to make my tyme worthwhile by selling. Especially if it offers a competitive edge in the graphics, photo, industry. If the source had to be open why would I even release or distribute my improvements, I could just keep them for myself. Since I wouldn't be distributing it I wouldn't have to share my improvements.
That's what some people mean when they call the GPL "viral". If you include a little bit of GPL code in a large piece of software, you can't just say that it's 98% closed and 2% open. It's either all-GPL or no-GPL.
Yea, that's what I thought.
FalconAll the Patriot Act did was make the act of transferring the currency against the law,
Why in the world should transfering any amount of money be against the law? If I earn $10,000 or $1,000,000 I should be able to do whatever I want with it. The only thing that should matter is that I don't harm, or cause harm to, another. If I do charge me with that harm, not for doing whatever I want with my money.
Do you recognize the sovereignty of this nation?
Do you recognize I'm a sovereign person? Especially in the USA, it's supposed to be By the People, For the People. The government is supposed to work for the people not the people work for the government.
FalconIt seems like just recently I'm seeing a lot of people here write "tyme" instead of "time". Or maybe it's just Falcon over and over again, I don't know (no offense Falcon). Is this the new "loose"?
That I know of I've the only one that uses the spelling of "time" as "tyme". And it's not new, it's an Old English spelling. The first tyme I saw it was in the latter 1970s in volume 20 of 20 something volumes of the Oxford English Dictionary, OED . I've used that spelling since. I've also had to drag teachers and profs to the library or copy the page with that spelling to show them it was correct when they marked my spelling as wrong.
FalconSay you develop a photo-editing (or whatever) piece of software and release it under the GPL. Then you add a few new features and decide to start charging money for a closed-source version with more functionality. No problem! That is just fine.
Ok, thanks I didn't know that. What if I were to take another GPL software like Inkscape and add a billing module, could I close source the module?
You see the difference? If it's your code, the GPL doesn't keep you from doing anything you want. The only thing it restricts is what you can do with Joe's code. Joe was nice enough to give you his code for free; why should you be allowed to charge other people for it?
Maybe it wasn't obvious in my previous post but in reverse that's what I was concerned with. Someone else taking my code then selling it, with or without bug fixes and such, without me seeing any money. Afterall why should I program some software if I can't try to make some money? I could be spending my tyme on something else like scuba diving and photography. See, I'm not a nerd sitting in a basement banging out code day in day out. While I don't work because of a disability, I love doing other things such as the aforementioned scuba diving and photograhy.
By all means, continue disliking the GPL (I certainly don't particularly like it). But please do so for the right reasons.
I never said I didn't like the GPL, what I said was I prefered the BSD style licenses. Appearently though, from what you say the GPL does allow me to do at least some of the things for which I prefered the BSD.
If you really wants to be able to sell (software including) his code, you can ask him for special permission to do so.
You don't need "Joe's" permission to sale software with his code do you? I thought the GPL just prevented you from taking his code and closing the source, you had to include the code source if you distributed it. If you can't sale the software then I was ripped off when I paid for RedHat years ago. How do all these companies get away with violating the GPL by selling software?
FalconYucca Mountain is (or has) an underground salt dome, hence believed to be fairly stable, geologically (no Canadian Shield, but good for a few 10,000 years).
Yea, a few 10,000s of years. The tyme period had to be lower to 10,000 years from millions so they would be able to say Yucca is a good place. Many of the isotopes that will be stored there, if is used for storage, have a half-life of more than a million years, some over 100 million. Originally when a place was being decided on where to store radioactive waste back in the 1970s there were three places being considered, Yucca Mountain, Utah, someplace in Washington, and another in Texas though I don't recall exactly where in either state. Both Washington and Texas were able to get their names taken off the list because they had strong congressional representation, leaving only Yucca on the list.
A subduction zone is where the planet is eating its crust
Not quite. A subduction zone is where one tectonic plate is sliding under another. Putting anything there and it could go down OR up, ie "cling" to the plate sliding under or "cling" to the plate floating over the other. By drilling a cavity into the submerging plate deep enough then plugging the cavity to hold the waste this could be mitigated if not not stopped.
Another thing that might work that could be done is to mix the waste in a glassy substance and let it harden. The mixture can then be placed in those cavities.
Obviously, you vitrify the stuff first
Ok, I see you already cover what I last said, the glassy substance. I couldn't recall what the process was called.
FalconForgetting about mining uranium, where are you going to store spent fuel, Yucca Mountain?
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And the salt just stays there, rather than washing away, why?
What salt?
Also, there is always Hawaiia Volcano Nat'l Park. Just dump it into the molten lava and let it emerge as rock in a few years.
You mean let it emerge as radioactive gases?
There are large subduction zones around the world, as well.
A few months ago I read an article on this that pointed out some problems with putting nuclear waste in a subduction zone, unfortunately I don't recall where I read it. One problem I recall though was that it could be expelled and spread around contaminating the ocean floor.
FalconI just made a quick check and found a download site with 1000 image editors. How many open source applications do you need? There's GIMP and Krita and... honestly, I can't think of a third one.
I've got a few more bookmarked. As for why there are so many, some are meant to do specific things, run in specific environments, or to edit specific formats. Some, like POV-Ray, are vector graphics editors. Some are bitmap editors. Some are 2D and others 3D. Some only run on Y OS in Z like Krita is for KDE. There are a number of reasons there are so many different FOOS image editors.
FalconAs to the problems with making money off of FOSS. Well yes it isn't always easy and frankly I don't believe in FOSS as a universal solution for all software problems. It is great in some areas but I think is far from the universal solution that RMS and the faithful believe.
This brings up an area where I prefer BSD type licenses over the GPL. I love photography and would like to program a compleat photo/graphics suite including editing, a db for inventory and photos, and a billing module along others. However if I were to work on an app for this I'd want to be able to be sure I could make some money selling it if I were to spend so much tyme developing it before someone else started making money off it, yet still have at least some of the source open. BSD allows code to be closed so long as all of the original authors are credited from what I understand. If I'm wrong on this could someone reasonably correct me? However the GPL says all of the GPL code has to be open.
FalconI'm sure it has nothing at all to do with not funding a repressive totalitarian regime or anything... I'm as suspicious for corporate conspiracies as the next guy, but we should not send our capital to Fidel and his minions for any reason.
We traded with China and the Soviet Union, we certainly can trade with Cuba as well. One reason given for trade with China is that it would open up China, the same thing applies to Cuba.
As for totalitarian regimes the US has supported quite a few. Bush Jr took us to war against one, Saddam. However his dad Bush Sr as president and as VP with Reagan as president both supported Saddam. The Reagan and Bush Sr admins supported Saddam while he was using WMDs against not just Iran but also against Kurds and others in Iraq. Before Reagan and Bush Sr, Pres Ford and Henry Kissinger supported the dictator Gen Pinochet when he overthrew a democratically elected government. Both also supported the president of Indonesia General Suharto's invasion of the sovereign country of East Timor. After the invasion 200,000 East Timorese, one third of the population of East Timor, were massacred.
The US has supported dictators and atrocious human rights violaters and has no legs to stand on to support it's stance on Cuba. Hell the US supported the Cuban dictator Batista before Castro was able to overthrow him, if it hadn't been for the corrupt Batista Castro may of never gained power. This is not to excuse Castro but the US has plenty of blood on it's own hands.
FalconI wonder if the growing need for OS and client software diversity will finally make hardware manufacturers start to do real multiple OS support and web site designers to finally code to be non-client dependent.
I met one website developer who only used Macs. She ran Windows in a vm so she could test in Windows browsers but that's it. I've heard others are the same.
OpenOffice on Windows
Though I'm using Windows on my desktop now I plan on getting a MBP RSN, and I'll try OO, NeoOffice, or another version of OO. I'm wondering what db to get though. I don't know if it's still true but I heard MySQL doesn't properly handle relations, and I've been thinking of trying PostGres and, or Firebird.
Once you replace the killer app you really open the door to your flavor of linux distro on the PC.
I've got a PC running Linspire Linux which I use as a server or storage right now, but as I say above I want to get a Macbook Pro for a laptop. The killer app(s) for me will be a graphics/photo editor and tools for web development. Photoshop is available for the Mac however before I fork over the money for it I want to try some FOOS apps, like POV-Ray, blender, or Inkscape to see if any of them is a good replacement for PS.
FalconMost of the sugar we use in the US is not cane sugar at all. The primary sugar in processed foods here is made from corn (high fructose corn syrup) which is the main reason why our soda tastes like crap compared to soda bottled in Mexico where they use cane.
All too true. Because of the high high fructose corn syrup in prepared foods the diet is poor for too many in the US. Though not successful I try to stay away from it, the only tyme I willingly use it is when I brew. I use it for beer, bock, or lager but I prefer fruit and maybe a bit of honey for wine.
What most Americans identify as "sugar" is actually made from beets.
It's still sugar, just not from sugarcane. There are many types of sugar, both complex and simple sugars. And with starchs, they are carbohydrates.
FalconWell, this plant runs on cellulose and not sugar. So I'm assuming its going to be using Kudzu instead of Sugar Cane.
There's certainly enough kudzu in the south to feed the plant. Instead of trying to erradicate it maybe it could be grown to produce ethanol.
FalconHemp isn't used for paper in China, where I reside, either. Hemp is not cultivated as anything more than a niche item in any country, even though the 1937 law you mentioned only affected the US.
Ne how, You're right hemp is basically only used in niche markets now. However prior to the 1937 act it was widely cultivated in the USA. Thomas Jefferson along with other Founding Fathers of the USA grew it on their farms. TJ even wrote the Declaration Of Independence on paper made from hemp. At one tyme he wrote farmers should be required to grow hemp, he couldn't follow through with proposing such a law though because he knew it would interfer with their rights.
As for other countries, Canada is working on being a big exporter of hemp or hemp products, headed by Alberta. Romania is a big grower and exporter of hemp, and in Europe governments subsidize hemp farmers. Audubon Magazine says it's grown in 32 countries and asks why isn't it legal in the US.
In the US the reason told to the public hemp is be made illegal is that it was called the devil's weed and it made people violent, take a look at "Reefer Madness" which depicts marijuana users as violent and going "mad". However other countries like the Soviet Union made it illegal because, as every study I have ever heard of confirms, marijuana does the opposite. It calms people down and makes them lethargic, "chill babe" or "chill dude". The SU couldn't have it's military unwilling to fight in battle.
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Yea, facts like Activation, WGA, WPA, and spyware, all of which enrage me.
Falconwhile i grow organic produce for myself, i'm not going to fool myself into thinking it would work on a commercial scale.
So, there are no organic farms? Funny, Willing Workers on Organic Farms has 80 farms in Haiwaii where people can volunteer to work. Local Harvest list 269 organic farms in my area. My coop, The Wedge, which is 5 minutes walk for me is supplied by a number of these organic farms. The same with my other coop, Lakewinds.
the method you are reffering to is rotation planting, and you would require 3x the farm land. in effect you would be cutting down an aweful lot of the eco system your attempting to protect.
Other than using nitrogen fixers I didn't say anything about any methods in the post you replied to, I did mention in other posts that organic farmers use companion planting though. And using companion planting can increase the yield of a given amount of land can produce.
Falconagain your ALL displaying how little you understand about what your mouthing off about. if you were going to farm for bio fuel, it's not going to happen in a forrest which has an eco system to support your 1000 year old tree.
And your displaying how little you know. Trees can be used as a source of cellulose as well. And where do you thing all the wood pulp to make paper comes from? A lot of it comes from clear cuts of forest, which isn't sustainable. As for farming, there are Tree Farms and there are fast growing trees. Grow fast growing trees on tree farms and you have a source of cellulose. Of course these tree farms will probably do as much if not more damage to the environment as using petro does. Grown in a monoculture like conventional farmers grow food crops, these trees will need a lot of chemical inputs. However using organic methods and permaculture these chemical inputs won't be needed.
Its going to happen on a large plantation with nothing but the most optimal plant you can grow for your purpose, in an attempt to get the max yield per square metre.
Why use conventioanl agricultural methods and plant a monoculture when on the same land you can grow a mix of crops. Organic farmers don't plant monocultures, they use companion planting. Different food crops can be grow alongside crops for ethanol, much as is done for shade grown coffee, "the bird friendly coffee".
Oh, I see you mention fast growing crops. At the same tyme you mention bio diversity, which I handle above. Instead of growing a monoculture grow different crops together. Shade loving crops, like coffee, can be grown under taller trees. It takes more work but the yield per acre is higher.
so, if you can't understand the problem now, well sorry but your just plain thick.
It seems you're the one who doesn't understand. That or you're a troll.
Falconfactually incorrect.
I don't know if it is or not, nor do I plan on finding out. The latest MS Office I have is Office 97 and I don't really need a newer version. Heck I haven't used 97 in 2 or 3 years. And because MS wants to treat me like a criminal, that's what Activation, WGA, and WPA do amoung other things, I'm even switching my OS. The PC I'm typing this on runs Windows however last year I got a new PC with Linux preinstalled, I'm using it as a server right now. And when I get a laptop, RSN, I'll get a Macbook Pro. As it is now I'll stay as far away from MS products as I can.
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