Plus, if you're ever going to sell your house, taking it outside is a good idea. Buyers can smell it, and you can't get that smell out without replacing every soft surface (carpets, etc.) and fresh paint in every room.
Guess what? The vapors from that paint may be toxic as well. Is Apple refusing to repair Macs when it was in a room that was painted? Actually many things outgas Volatile Organic Compounds, including Macs.
For the smokers out there: is it really that hard to take a break and go outside? I've always felt that was the best part... take a break, go out, have a smoke and consider what ever you're doing - then go back and get it done.
When I smoke I do go outside where I smoke. Inside my apartment is dusty and has cobwebs in corners and hard to reach areas. I had one technician tell me I should tape a coffee filter to the air intake vent on a computer case. I was looking for a filter after opening a tower and finding dust everywhere in it. I bought packs of cans of compressed air just to blow dust out, is Apple going to penalize me because it is dusty here?
Look at this and tell me that you wouldn't run screaming if someone asked you to repair that.
Ever hear of cans of compressed air? Ever hear of dust rags? I've had air intakes and fans get about as dirty without smoke. Also it looks like there may be pet hairs in some of those photos. Look around my apartment and I bet you'll find a lot of cobwebs yet nobody smokes inside. One tech told me I could tape a coffee filter onto the fan's air intake vent to filter the air.
I don't think it will hold up, but I can understand their reasons to give it a shot.
I think it's the opposite actually. Despite what nay sayers say Apple has a pretty good reputation but by doing this that reputation is damaged. Here's an article from "Business Week" on that, A Bruise or Two on Apple's Reputation.
That's not "next", that's "now". Try getting support on an iPhone where you've installed software that hasn't been specifically approved for you to use by Apple.
When I got my Mac after ordering it, I ordered it online, I started installing the software I ordered with it and couldn't get one application to run right. I bought a system utility and before installing it I wanted it to run from DVD first but it refused to boot up. So the following day I went down to an Apple store and showed it to one of the techs. The tech looked at it and told me the utility I was sent was an older version that couldn't handle the new hardware, I had ordered and got it right after a hardware upgrade.
On the other hand I had a problem when I installed Eclipse for development, it gave me a multi-page error message then wouldn't run right. So again I went to an Apple store and was told there that it was against company policy for Apple stores to help with development and programming. I was then told I should try to use Apple's online developer forums and ask for help.
Well, third-hand smoke is considered by at least some docs to be a direct cancer risk.
The NYT doesn't say anything about peer reviews of the study though. Now it does list some of the substances that so called third-hand smoke contains but it doesn't mention what vehicle exhaust contains or the poisons that food is sprayed with. Nor does it say anything about the emissions from the paper industry.
There is no law requiring businesses to maximize profits, at least in the US. There is, er was, the requirement that in order for a business to be granted the limited liability of a corporate charter it had to serve the common or public good.
but use one on your Apple and bang goes that warranty
Self servicing hardware is strictly mentioned in Apple's warranty but smoking is not. I'm typing this on my MacBook Pro and I went down to some Apple stores and asked about replacing the hard disk drive with a bigger one, the 160 GB disk it had was almost full, and was told Apple does not do that. I was told that if I wanted a larger disk installed in order to keep the warranty valid I would have to take the MBP to an Apple authorized service center and have them do it. I was specifically told I could not swap drives myself. I was not told I can not smoke.
And how many computers come with filters where air intakes are? Once when I asked about dust buildup in my PC, the inside was caked with dust, I was told PCs don't come with filters. The tech suggested I buy a filter and the hardware to hold it then mount it on the air intake. He said that if nothing else to tape a coffee filter over the intake, just make sure air was still able to circulate.
First let me say I think Apple not servicing Macs under warranty because of smoke is BS! With that out of the way I've had 2 computers have a buildup of dust on the inside, that's why businesses make and I buy cans of compressed air. Now a build up of dust can be serious, it can cause a short circuit and start a fire.
I'm sure that, especially in more recent times, the service people at Apple don't have to service more than 1 tar-covered machine per day, but heading this off at the pass is just Apple's way of protecting their employees
If Apple wants to protect employees then it should require employees to wear gas masks or oxygen tanks. I haven't seen one employee doing this in an Apple store, yet I bet all those Macs, iPhones, iPods, and all that packaging used outsources gases worse than cigarette tar.
Heck, seeing as how Apple is supposed to be so hip and oxygen bars are hip, I don't know why Apple isn't infusing their facilities with oxygen bars too.
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Oh, BTW I do not hate or oppose Macs, I like Macs and OS X. I'm typing this on my MacBook Pro running Leopard and I have my Snow Leopard DVD close at hand for when I'm ready to install it. And when I get a new laptop it's likely to another MacBook Pro, unless of course Apple continues with this BS!
Okay, Apple has gone too far refusing to service their equipment because a user is a smoker. I hope Apple refuses to service someone with willingness and resources to sue. I imagine that would be a black eye on Apple, and because there isn't anything in the warranty about the warranty being voided because of smoke I'd bet they'd lose.
Because for the last 5 years, they've had Fox News drumming it into their heads that these poor people were a bunch of ignorant dumbasses for "choosing" to live somewhere where hurricanes might hit them.
I won't say those living there were stupid or ignorant because they chose to live there but they are responsible for doing so. I grew up in Florida and we always prepared when a hurricane was coming our way. That may not be an option for some, but then maybe they can move. I moved from Florida to Minneapolis, St Paul, just a few hundred miles south of the US Canadian border just so I could get therapy it was thought I needed after I had an accident. Of course doing something like that requires giving up what you're used to but it comes down to what is more important. I left a lot behind especially my friends because I thought therapy was more important.
I'm just waiting for Miami to get hit by a major hurricane. If you think New Orleans was a mess wait till South Florida gets trashed.
South Florida was hit by a major hurricane. Hurricane Andrew was a Cat 5 hurricane that hit south Florida and almost compleatly destroyed Homestead Air Force Base.
Why should my tax money be taken to pay for levees in a rich tourist town?
I used to think the same way but the Mississippi River is interstate and is or can be a major national distribution link. So, I hold the federal government responsible to keep the river navigable. State and most especially local government is responsible for allowing construction though.
The Army Corps of Engineers failed in their responsibilities.
Can you get it through your head the Corp of Engineers asked congress for the money but congress refused? It's one thing to blame the military when the military is in control, and it's something else when instead of having the power they have to beg for money.
I agree that building a city below sea level is stupid, but it's the stupidity of the city and state government, not that of the citizenry that simply trusted them based on several decades of data indicating that they were safe (ie the city not having been flooded out of existence yet).
Except New Orleans has been hit, or barely being hit, by a number of hurricanes. Hurricane Betsey flooded New Orleans in 1965. It was called Billion-Dollar Betsy because it was the first hurricane to cause more than a billion dollars in damage, in 1965 dollars. That was only 40 years before Katrina.
Like someone above said, it's those who live there who are responsible. I grew up in Florida and friends of mine and I had this joke about how true Floridians and transplants can be separated. When a hurricane comes along true Floridians say it's tyme to batten down the hatches whereas transplants throw up their arms and scream "Let's got out of here." And just like then, now I oppose the government paying to rebuild.
The US government tends to take a different approach, more like "We're the most advanced society in the world, and we don't have anything to learn from the rest of you turkeys." Their attitude towards New Orleans has also been pretty clear, along the lines of what others have said here: "That's what you get for living in a flood zone." I.e., "Tough luck, suckers."
If only the government did do that, instead it's partially paying to rebuild New Orleans.
Yes, the Corps of Engineers is liable for Katrina damage but so is the city and others. The city is responsible for allowing construction and builders are responsible for building on land that's at sea level if not below it.
Once upon a time I knew these details. I'd never heard of the Inflation Protected Securities though.
Same here. Because of an injury my memory is bad. Way back when I even knew different equations used in investing such as future and present values, now I have to look them up.
A 'Monarchy' is a form of government in which supreme power is absolutely or nominally lodged with an individual, who is the head of state, often for life or until abdication, and "is wholly set apart from all other members of the state."
That can is applied to a number of people. Hitler was a supreme leader as was Il Duce and Stalin. More recently, Iran has a Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. There are better words than "Monarch" in all these cases. And in the case of Benito Mussolini, Italy had a king while Benito Mussolini ruled, Victor Emmanuel III of Italy.
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Plus, if you're ever going to sell your house, taking it outside is a good idea. Buyers can smell it, and you can't get that smell out without replacing every soft surface (carpets, etc.) and fresh paint in every room.
Guess what? The vapors from that paint may be toxic as well. Is Apple refusing to repair Macs when it was in a room that was painted? Actually many things outgas Volatile Organic Compounds, including Macs.
Falcon
For the smokers out there: is it really that hard to take a break and go outside? I've always felt that was the best part... take a break, go out, have a smoke and consider what ever you're doing - then go back and get it done.
When I smoke I do go outside where I smoke. Inside my apartment is dusty and has cobwebs in corners and hard to reach areas. I had one technician tell me I should tape a coffee filter to the air intake vent on a computer case. I was looking for a filter after opening a tower and finding dust everywhere in it. I bought packs of cans of compressed air just to blow dust out, is Apple going to penalize me because it is dusty here?
Falcon
Look at this and tell me that you wouldn't run screaming if someone asked you to repair that.
Ever hear of cans of compressed air? Ever hear of dust rags? I've had air intakes and fans get about as dirty without smoke. Also it looks like there may be pet hairs in some of those photos. Look around my apartment and I bet you'll find a lot of cobwebs yet nobody smokes inside. One tech told me I could tape a coffee filter onto the fan's air intake vent to filter the air.
Liberal? Apple is liberal? Apple stands on big government not on the liberal idea of small government.
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I don't think it will hold up, but I can understand their reasons to give it a shot.
I think it's the opposite actually. Despite what nay sayers say Apple has a pretty good reputation but by doing this that reputation is damaged. Here's an article from "Business Week" on that, A Bruise or Two on Apple's Reputation.
Falcon
That's not "next", that's "now". Try getting support on an iPhone where you've installed software that hasn't been specifically approved for you to use by Apple.
When I got my Mac after ordering it, I ordered it online, I started installing the software I ordered with it and couldn't get one application to run right. I bought a system utility and before installing it I wanted it to run from DVD first but it refused to boot up. So the following day I went down to an Apple store and showed it to one of the techs. The tech looked at it and told me the utility I was sent was an older version that couldn't handle the new hardware, I had ordered and got it right after a hardware upgrade.
On the other hand I had a problem when I installed Eclipse for development, it gave me a multi-page error message then wouldn't run right. So again I went to an Apple store and was told there that it was against company policy for Apple stores to help with development and programming. I was then told I should try to use Apple's online developer forums and ask for help.
Falcon
Well, third-hand smoke is considered by at least some docs to be a direct cancer risk.
The NYT doesn't say anything about peer reviews of the study though. Now it does list some of the substances that so called third-hand smoke contains but it doesn't mention what vehicle exhaust contains or the poisons that food is sprayed with. Nor does it say anything about the emissions from the paper industry.
Falcon
There is no law requiring businesses to maximize profits, at least in the US. There is, er was, the requirement that in order for a business to be granted the limited liability of a corporate charter it had to serve the common or public good.
Falcon
Smoking is not a requirement, people can easily live without it and many do.
Living isn't a requirement either. There are only necessities for specific outcomes, those outcomes aren't necessary either.
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I could use a computer in an environment where it gets no ventilation, and that would void the warranty
They can if it is included in the warranty, but smoking is not mentioned in Apple's warranties, at least the warrant on my Mac.
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It may be more of a danger to children, but to dismiss an environment that is coated with poison dust as harmless without further study is absurd.
Yet Apple doesn't bar dust.
Falcon
but use one on your Apple and bang goes that warranty
Self servicing hardware is strictly mentioned in Apple's warranty but smoking is not. I'm typing this on my MacBook Pro and I went down to some Apple stores and asked about replacing the hard disk drive with a bigger one, the 160 GB disk it had was almost full, and was told Apple does not do that. I was told that if I wanted a larger disk installed in order to keep the warranty valid I would have to take the MBP to an Apple authorized service center and have them do it. I was specifically told I could not swap drives myself. I was not told I can not smoke.
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And how many computers come with filters where air intakes are? Once when I asked about dust buildup in my PC, the inside was caked with dust, I was told PCs don't come with filters. The tech suggested I buy a filter and the hardware to hold it then mount it on the air intake. He said that if nothing else to tape a coffee filter over the intake, just make sure air was still able to circulate.
Falcon
First let me say I think Apple not servicing Macs under warranty because of smoke is BS! With that out of the way I've had 2 computers have a buildup of dust on the inside, that's why businesses make and I buy cans of compressed air. Now a build up of dust can be serious, it can cause a short circuit and start a fire.
Falcon
I'm sure that, especially in more recent times, the service people at Apple don't have to service more than 1 tar-covered machine per day, but heading this off at the pass is just Apple's way of protecting their employees
If Apple wants to protect employees then it should require employees to wear gas masks or oxygen tanks. I haven't seen one employee doing this in an Apple store, yet I bet all those Macs, iPhones, iPods, and all that packaging used outsources gases worse than cigarette tar.
Heck, seeing as how Apple is supposed to be so hip and oxygen bars are hip, I don't know why Apple isn't infusing their facilities with oxygen bars too.
Falcon
Oh, BTW I do not hate or oppose Macs, I like Macs and OS X. I'm typing this on my MacBook Pro running Leopard and I have my Snow Leopard DVD close at hand for when I'm ready to install it. And when I get a new laptop it's likely to another MacBook Pro, unless of course Apple continues with this BS!
Okay, Apple has gone too far refusing to service their equipment because a user is a smoker. I hope Apple refuses to service someone with willingness and resources to sue. I imagine that would be a black eye on Apple, and because there isn't anything in the warranty about the warranty being voided because of smoke I'd bet they'd lose.
Falcon
Because for the last 5 years, they've had Fox News drumming it into their heads that these poor people were a bunch of ignorant dumbasses for "choosing" to live somewhere where hurricanes might hit them.
I won't say those living there were stupid or ignorant because they chose to live there but they are responsible for doing so. I grew up in Florida and we always prepared when a hurricane was coming our way. That may not be an option for some, but then maybe they can move. I moved from Florida to Minneapolis, St Paul, just a few hundred miles south of the US Canadian border just so I could get therapy it was thought I needed after I had an accident. Of course doing something like that requires giving up what you're used to but it comes down to what is more important. I left a lot behind especially my friends because I thought therapy was more important.
Falcon
I'm just waiting for Miami to get hit by a major hurricane. If you think New Orleans was a mess wait till South Florida gets trashed.
South Florida was hit by a major hurricane. Hurricane Andrew was a Cat 5 hurricane that hit south Florida and almost compleatly destroyed Homestead Air Force Base.
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Why should my tax money be taken to pay for levees in a rich tourist town?
I used to think the same way but the Mississippi River is interstate and is or can be a major national distribution link. So, I hold the federal government responsible to keep the river navigable. State and most especially local government is responsible for allowing construction though.
Falcon
The Army Corps of Engineers failed in their responsibilities.
Can you get it through your head the Corp of Engineers asked congress for the money but congress refused? It's one thing to blame the military when the military is in control, and it's something else when instead of having the power they have to beg for money.
Falcon
I agree that building a city below sea level is stupid, but it's the stupidity of the city and state government, not that of the citizenry that simply trusted them based on several decades of data indicating that they were safe (ie the city not having been flooded out of existence yet).
Except New Orleans has been hit, or barely being hit, by a number of hurricanes. Hurricane Betsey flooded New Orleans in 1965. It was called Billion-Dollar Betsy because it was the first hurricane to cause more than a billion dollars in damage, in 1965 dollars. That was only 40 years before Katrina.
Like someone above said, it's those who live there who are responsible. I grew up in Florida and friends of mine and I had this joke about how true Floridians and transplants can be separated. When a hurricane comes along true Floridians say it's tyme to batten down the hatches whereas transplants throw up their arms and scream "Let's got out of here." And just like then, now I oppose the government paying to rebuild.
Falcon
The US government tends to take a different approach, more like "We're the most advanced society in the world, and we don't have anything to learn from the rest of you turkeys." Their attitude towards New Orleans has also been pretty clear, along the lines of what others have said here: "That's what you get for living in a flood zone." I.e., "Tough luck, suckers."
If only the government did do that, instead it's partially paying to rebuild New Orleans.
Falcon
Yes, the Corps of Engineers is liable for Katrina damage but so is the city and others. The city is responsible for allowing construction and builders are responsible for building on land that's at sea level if not below it.
Falcon
Once upon a time I knew these details. I'd never heard of the Inflation Protected Securities though.
Same here. Because of an injury my memory is bad. Way back when I even knew different equations used in investing such as future and present values, now I have to look them up.
Falcon
A 'Monarchy' is a form of government in which supreme power is absolutely or nominally lodged with an individual, who is the head of state, often for life or until abdication, and "is wholly set apart from all other members of the state."
That can is applied to a number of people. Hitler was a supreme leader as was Il Duce and Stalin. More recently, Iran has a Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. There are better words than "Monarch" in all these cases. And in the case of Benito Mussolini, Italy had a king while Benito Mussolini ruled, Victor Emmanuel III of Italy.
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