What about webmin? I don't believe you need X on the server for that, and webmin has CVS management icons (other management icons may suite your needs as well). Admin users can just point their browser to http://CVS_IP:10000, log in, and admin away. Of course, if you don't want webmin running 24x7, you could perhaps create a script (e.g., batch file) to start the service through SSH (PuTTY's plink.exe), connect through browser, and then plink-stop-webmin... or something similar. You could probably even use SSH forwarding to have the webmin traffic go through ssh.
This would at least give your other cvs admins a graphical interface into CVS.
Last I knew, (this was back in 97-97) cancelled AOL screen names were kept in a reserve for 6 months before they were available for use again, in case the user wanted to get it back again. I'm guessing after this time, the screen name is available for use again.
As far as compiling software, the average user isn't going to be compiling anything anyway. At least in Mandrake's case (and probably others) pretty much any type of application that the user would want to use is available through the Mandrake Control Center Software installation applet. Click the application, click install. I don't think I've ever *had* to drop to commandline in mandrake. I've just chosen to do so at times because I like to. I'd say, for those users, it's ready for their desktop.
For users who choose to grab and install source code, they are generally more tech savvy than the average user, and commandline shouldn't be a problem for them. Although a lot of source RPMs I believe are available through the GUI as well.
Doesn't AOL have content that you can't get from the outside? I mean, you can get similar content, but not the same. Disclaimer: I don't use AOL. Used to, but I'd never go back.
Just out of curiousity, why do you even need X-Windows in a server environment? Especially if it is just a CVS server. I'd think the server would run more efficiently without the overhead of a graphical environment. Having the graphical environment running means more processes, with potentially more vulnerabilities, and more ways for someone to break into your server.
This RTFM attitude is exactly why Linux needs to change or die on the desktop. I'll repeat again. Not everyone has the time or interest to RTFM or go out and check every little bit of their hardware to see that its supported.
That's why I suggested Mandrake. I was not suggesting to tell a newbie user to RTFM. My very first linux installation was Mandrake 9.0. At that time, I knew absolutely nothing about Linux or Unix or anything. I just popped the CD in, hit next a few times, made up a password, and that was pretty much it. Everything on the system worked fine, sound, video, mouse, network, Internet (dialup), KDE... it all worked on its own. I didn't have to pick up a single manual. I haven't installed any distro on modern hardware, but I have used liveCDs (Knoppix) and they "just work" as well.
It doesn't really make sense to say "linux isn't ready for the desktop." Some people may think that "DistroX is not ready" but each distro is different and is aimed at a different set of users. As I've stated before, Mandrake is, IMHO, ready for your basic end user. I wouldn't suggest a basic end user install Gentoo, and I can't comment on Debian since I've never used it. If you're having a hard time getting KDE to work under Debian, why not try something else, like Mandrake or Slackware? In my experience, KDE works just fine out of the box in both distros.
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles installing linux distros. As someone else pointed out in response to you, Mandrake Linux does an excellent job just working "out of the box." I've installed Mandrake (9.0, 9.1, 9.2, and 10.0), Red Hat 9.0, and Slackware 9.1 on my home system and each of them installed fine, booting into a graphical KDE environment. Mandrake did the best job between the three detecting my hardware, but the other two distros detected most everything automatically. I've also installed Gentoo (and still use it to this day). Although Gentoo isn't what you'd call "newbie" user friendly (as far as installing goes) if you follow the installation handbook, everything (with the exception of sound in my case) works fine.
In my opinion, Mandrake is the best for a "newbie" installation. The graphical installation is easy to use and everything works fine in my experience. Some users' problems with installing linux distros may lie in unsupported hardware. Before selecting a distro, you should ensure that your hardware is supported. Mandrake does support a lot of hardware. Note: Windows doesn't support all hardware either. I'd say not only is Linux ready for the desktop, it has been ready for some time now.
I remember reading somewhere about putting/etc under cvs control. If you accidentally wiped out/etc, could you then just do a cvs checkout to restore it before you reboot? Not sure how that would work on Windows if you deleted, say, c:\winnt\*
I'll have to agree with you on the point of the "days" of creation. I don't remember seeing anything in the Bible that defines a "day" in relation to creation. Many people seem to assume it is an Earth day, but it may just be a unit of time (e.g., 1000 years).
explain life on Earth as the dream of a Hindu cow.
If we assume there exists a Hindu cow that is having this dream, then this Hindu cow has religion. Therefore, she believes in a supreme being of one form or other. If the Hindu cow exists, then her diety/creator/God exists.
I believe the grandparent's reference to "stoning of children" is referring to Deuteronomy 21:18-21. In this passage, the Bible speaks of parents leading their "son" to the outside of the city, declaring him a "rebellious drunkard" and stoning him to death, with the help of other city folk. However, "son" does not necessarily mean "child."
However, even if it did mean "child," we live in different times. Many believe that after Jesus' crucifiction, laws like these are no longer necessary because of Jesus' sacrifice. Some people also use this as an excuse as well. "I'll be forgiven, so it's ok."
I'm not sure I understand this. The copyright for the Rubik's cube is expired. Doesn't that mean that other companies or individuals can make the cube and sell it? Can't the original company still make and sell the cube? How can selling the cube be infringing on the copyright if the copyright is expired?
As the grandparent said, a linux guide could be useful. For some reason, I thought NSA had a linux guide. I've never actually used SELinux, but I did see SELinux options in the 2.6.5 kernel configureation under Gentoo. From what I understand, SELinux supports Mandatory Access Controls, in addition to discretionary access controls like other OS's do. Of course the user applications would also need to support this.
um... they don't just publish guides for MacOS. NSA has security guides for other operating systems as well. Check the last link in the article summary.
There are plenty of distros in linux that deal with dependencies for you. IMHO, Mandrake's 'urpmi' and Gentoo's 'emerge' do a good job of searching for, downloading, and installing package dependencies for you. I can run 'urpmi.update -ac;urpmi --update --auto-select' on Mandrake or 'emerge -uD world' on Gentoo to get the latest fixes. One difference with Gentoo though, is it actually updates the entire system to the latest stable version, not just the latest patches for the current version.
I understand what you're saying. However, if I understand correctly, once Gentoo is installed with binary packages, the entire system can be recompiled while I do other things like browse the web. Of course, a stage3/GRP installation takes a bit of time as well, but if you want to have a usable system sooner, you could always boot off another distro (KNOPPIX) and use its tools to browse the web or whatever while doing a stage1 install of Gentoo on the HD. That method would give you a working system faster than installing Debian, depending on what functionality you wanted during installation.
Yeah, I could just install Debian instead, but I'm already more familiar with emerge and portage, so there's no real need to switch. I can get a working environment in a fairly reasonable amount of time (moreso with something like knoppix) and then recompile everything in the background.
As a matter of fact, I have compiled on Gentoo. I run Gentoo at home as my main system. Although I haven't compiled all of Gentoo (i.e., stage1), I have recompiled the kernel a few times and compiled a few other larger applications. They just compile in a konsole window in the background while I work on other things. So, like I said, what's the big deal? It's not like I need my new kernel *now*.
Aren't these compile time jokes for Gentoo getting a little old? Seems every time there's a story about something compiling, or a story about a linux distribution in general, someone ends up asking how long it will take to do that on Gentoo, or ask if your Gentoo system is still compiling. Even if a Gentoo system takes a while to compile (mostly for big apps like KDE and OpenOffice,) you can still use the system for other activities while you wait. What's the big deal?
Yeah, come to think of it, I think it was a Debian user who insistantly said "Gentoo is *dying*." I've never used Debian myself, but I have no plans of leaving Gentoo.
The parent raises a good point. I've installed Gentoo a few times and use it as my main distro at home and I have not had many problems with it, other than simply being unfamiliar with some parts of Linux in general. Recently I've heard people in chat rooms talking about the *death* of Gentoo.
Personally, I think Gentoo is great. Granted, it doesn't have a standard graphical install where everything just works, but it does have a lot of power, especially with the portage tree and emerge. Although I have heard of projects that are working to create a graphical installer for Gentoo, but unofficial.
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This would at least give your other cvs admins a graphical interface into CVS.
Last I knew, (this was back in 97-97) cancelled AOL screen names were kept in a reserve for 6 months before they were available for use again, in case the user wanted to get it back again. I'm guessing after this time, the screen name is available for use again.
For users who choose to grab and install source code, they are generally more tech savvy than the average user, and commandline shouldn't be a problem for them. Although a lot of source RPMs I believe are available through the GUI as well.
Doesn't AOL have content that you can't get from the outside? I mean, you can get similar content, but not the same. Disclaimer: I don't use AOL. Used to, but I'd never go back.
Just out of curiousity, why do you even need X-Windows in a server environment? Especially if it is just a CVS server. I'd think the server would run more efficiently without the overhead of a graphical environment. Having the graphical environment running means more processes, with potentially more vulnerabilities, and more ways for someone to break into your server.
That's why I suggested Mandrake. I was not suggesting to tell a newbie user to RTFM. My very first linux installation was Mandrake 9.0. At that time, I knew absolutely nothing about Linux or Unix or anything. I just popped the CD in, hit next a few times, made up a password, and that was pretty much it. Everything on the system worked fine, sound, video, mouse, network, Internet (dialup), KDE... it all worked on its own. I didn't have to pick up a single manual. I haven't installed any distro on modern hardware, but I have used liveCDs (Knoppix) and they "just work" as well.
It doesn't really make sense to say "linux isn't ready for the desktop." Some people may think that "DistroX is not ready" but each distro is different and is aimed at a different set of users. As I've stated before, Mandrake is, IMHO, ready for your basic end user. I wouldn't suggest a basic end user install Gentoo, and I can't comment on Debian since I've never used it. If you're having a hard time getting KDE to work under Debian, why not try something else, like Mandrake or Slackware? In my experience, KDE works just fine out of the box in both distros.
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles installing linux distros. As someone else pointed out in response to you, Mandrake Linux does an excellent job just working "out of the box." I've installed Mandrake (9.0, 9.1, 9.2, and 10.0), Red Hat 9.0, and Slackware 9.1 on my home system and each of them installed fine, booting into a graphical KDE environment. Mandrake did the best job between the three detecting my hardware, but the other two distros detected most everything automatically. I've also installed Gentoo (and still use it to this day). Although Gentoo isn't what you'd call "newbie" user friendly (as far as installing goes) if you follow the installation handbook, everything (with the exception of sound in my case) works fine.
In my opinion, Mandrake is the best for a "newbie" installation. The graphical installation is easy to use and everything works fine in my experience. Some users' problems with installing linux distros may lie in unsupported hardware. Before selecting a distro, you should ensure that your hardware is supported. Mandrake does support a lot of hardware. Note: Windows doesn't support all hardware either. I'd say not only is Linux ready for the desktop, it has been ready for some time now.
When I execute 'who is Microsoft' it returns the same line as simply executing 'who' (my currently logged-in username and other details).
seems Microsoft is in all of us... try "who is Microsoft" under linux and see what it says... scary.
yes, *nix systems do have some strange error messages. I remember back in college, on a UNIX system, when executing 'make fire' it returned
:)
make: Don't know how to make fire. Stop.
or something similar. Then, with 'why?'
why?: No match.
I've also tried unzipping a non-existent zip file:
Unable to find file.zip, file.ZIP, or file.Zip, so there!
It's good to have some humor in error messages.
I remember reading somewhere about putting /etc under cvs control. If you accidentally wiped out /etc, could you then just do a cvs checkout to restore it before you reboot? Not sure how that would work on Windows if you deleted, say, c:\winnt\*
I'll have to agree with you on the point of the "days" of creation. I don't remember seeing anything in the Bible that defines a "day" in relation to creation. Many people seem to assume it is an Earth day, but it may just be a unit of time (e.g., 1000 years).
If we assume there exists a Hindu cow that is having this dream, then this Hindu cow has religion. Therefore, she believes in a supreme being of one form or other. If the Hindu cow exists, then her diety/creator/God exists.
I believe the grandparent's reference to "stoning of children" is referring to Deuteronomy 21:18-21. In this passage, the Bible speaks of parents leading their "son" to the outside of the city, declaring him a "rebellious drunkard" and stoning him to death, with the help of other city folk. However, "son" does not necessarily mean "child."
However, even if it did mean "child," we live in different times. Many believe that after Jesus' crucifiction, laws like these are no longer necessary because of Jesus' sacrifice. Some people also use this as an excuse as well. "I'll be forgiven, so it's ok."
I'm not sure I understand this. The copyright for the Rubik's cube is expired. Doesn't that mean that other companies or individuals can make the cube and sell it? Can't the original company still make and sell the cube? How can selling the cube be infringing on the copyright if the copyright is expired?
As the grandparent said, a linux guide could be useful. For some reason, I thought NSA had a linux guide. I've never actually used SELinux, but I did see SELinux options in the 2.6.5 kernel configureation under Gentoo. From what I understand, SELinux supports Mandatory Access Controls, in addition to discretionary access controls like other OS's do. Of course the user applications would also need to support this.
um... they don't just publish guides for MacOS. NSA has security guides for other operating systems as well. Check the last link in the article summary.
Did you read the summary of this article? There is a link at the bottom that shows there are NSA security guides for other operating systems as well.
There are plenty of distros in linux that deal with dependencies for you. IMHO, Mandrake's 'urpmi' and Gentoo's 'emerge' do a good job of searching for, downloading, and installing package dependencies for you. I can run 'urpmi.update -ac;urpmi --update --auto-select' on Mandrake or 'emerge -uD world' on Gentoo to get the latest fixes. One difference with Gentoo though, is it actually updates the entire system to the latest stable version, not just the latest patches for the current version.
I understand what you're saying. However, if I understand correctly, once Gentoo is installed with binary packages, the entire system can be recompiled while I do other things like browse the web. Of course, a stage3/GRP installation takes a bit of time as well, but if you want to have a usable system sooner, you could always boot off another distro (KNOPPIX) and use its tools to browse the web or whatever while doing a stage1 install of Gentoo on the HD. That method would give you a working system faster than installing Debian, depending on what functionality you wanted during installation.
Yeah, I could just install Debian instead, but I'm already more familiar with emerge and portage, so there's no real need to switch. I can get a working environment in a fairly reasonable amount of time (moreso with something like knoppix) and then recompile everything in the background.
As a matter of fact, I have compiled on Gentoo. I run Gentoo at home as my main system. Although I haven't compiled all of Gentoo (i.e., stage1), I have recompiled the kernel a few times and compiled a few other larger applications. They just compile in a konsole window in the background while I work on other things. So, like I said, what's the big deal? It's not like I need my new kernel *now*.
Aren't these compile time jokes for Gentoo getting a little old? Seems every time there's a story about something compiling, or a story about a linux distribution in general, someone ends up asking how long it will take to do that on Gentoo, or ask if your Gentoo system is still compiling. Even if a Gentoo system takes a while to compile (mostly for big apps like KDE and OpenOffice,) you can still use the system for other activities while you wait. What's the big deal?
Yeah, come to think of it, I think it was a Debian user who insistantly said "Gentoo is *dying*." I've never used Debian myself, but I have no plans of leaving Gentoo.
The parent raises a good point. I've installed Gentoo a few times and use it as my main distro at home and I have not had many problems with it, other than simply being unfamiliar with some parts of Linux in general. Recently I've heard people in chat rooms talking about the *death* of Gentoo.
Personally, I think Gentoo is great. Granted, it doesn't have a standard graphical install where everything just works, but it does have a lot of power, especially with the portage tree and emerge. Although I have heard of projects that are working to create a graphical installer for Gentoo, but unofficial.