You need to find an example of someone without an axe to grind against Apple.
But what he said is true. The distributor's DRM scheme violates the licensing. If that's the case, then you can't just include LGPL libraries and such without seeking out the copyright holder(s) to see if they will make a exemption for you.
Don't forget that VLC themselves were fine with the app.
Except the VLC developer mailing list shows otherwise, where did you get that information from?
As an iOS developer, I use a lot of open source frameworks. But most of them are BSD licences - I'm really curious what they found that they considered to be GPL or Apache or LGPL, as I'm not aware of any really popular frameworks using those licenses.
I suspect anything that is GPL, LGPL is in violation because of what certain developers have been saying about the compatability of how the application store works.
People will pay for all of the extra crap to keep Windows out of trouble, but complain that Macs are too expensive. WTF?
Probably something to do with having to buy a copy of Windows after to run their Windows applications and then finding out the Apple logo didn't protect them.
What warning would be so specific that *you* would have to leave the class room and no one else?
I was the only foreigner in the school and at the time, foreigners were somewhat unwanted. Other people didn't have to worry about the same things I did for that reason.
What warning would be so specific that a call to the school main number and given generally would not be the preferential course of action?
The above example, language barriers (person on the phone might not be able to speak the language well enough to convey a message properly) and the fact the school's landline was usually busy a lot, the fact that my where abouts was not even known by the school it self half the time (private one on one schooling to help me with studies as I didn't know the language well enough to always join the class in some subjects - these were arranged directly with teachers and myself, not the administration and were prone to regular changes).
Students should not have mobile phones while in class
Tell me a good reason any student "needs" a cell phone in school...
A single reason that would apply to everyone? Geeze, people can't agree on any generalization and you want a reason for something that applies to "any student".
There's not a damn thing in this world that you would "NEED" to address 3 minutes sooner by having a direct line via cell phone.
When I was living in Poland (you said 'the world', so this would apply), as a teenager, I had mobile phone updates on my Nokia 3120, and later a Nokia 6310i (my father's old mobile phones - He changed phones a lot) to tell me when to get out of an area because of the Polish mafia doing stuff in an area. I'm pretty sure a few minutes difference could have been problematic for me.
There, I gave you one and it was from when I was a teenager when I was a student - The quoted statement above is shown to be invalid. Of course you're probably going to try to reword it now or something in a follow up post.
Schools here have a zero-tolerance policy.
There are schools on Slashdot!?
(Seriously an unspecified 'here' location isn't very informative in the slightest)
Anonymous == freedom fighters. People don't like like them but when everyone is out to screw you they become the hero.
Here is Anonymous's previous response to such claims:
People these days seem to think we are some sort of Internet vigilante group, That couldn't be further from the truth. We are the little voice in the back of your head that wants to fuck your hot sixteen year old daughter. We are the father who beats his six year old child simply because he spilled his beer. We are every chef that's ever spit in some random person's food for the hell of it. We are the pyromaniac who burns down the homeless shelter for shits and giggles. We are the person who rapes the same girl twice. We are that feeling you get when you beat your pets; and enjoy it. We see some guy hang himself live, we laugh. A wrestler kills his family, we laugh. Some maladjusted Asian shoots up his university, we laugh. Fifty-thousand die in North Korea, we laugh. AIDS ravages a continent, we laugh. An Austrian man locks his daughter in his basement for 24 years and fathers 8 children with her, we laugh. A religion invented by a psychotic writer swindles countless gullible fucktards out of their cash, we laugh, and then go kick his religion's ass just for the hell of it. We aren't some vigilante group righting wrongs. We aren't your friends, your buddies or your saviors. Your feelings mean nothing to us. We are human nature unencumbered by pointless ethics, foolish moralities or arbitrary laws and restrictions. We are every dark impulse you have; unrestrained and fully realized. We are what deep down, you wish you were. We exist as a means for instant gratification, purely at our own whim. We have no culture, we have no laws, written or otherwise. We are an autonomous collective, each an insignificant part of a whole. You cannot assimilate us, we do not change. You cannot defeat us, we do not exist. You cannot infiltrate us, we know our own. We do not sleep, we do not eat and we do not feel remorse. We will tear you apart from outside and in, we have all the time in the world. You operate under the delusion that we will someday be outdated, that we might even see the light. You are irrevocably wrong. You are not special, you are not unique and you aren't crusaders for justice. You're a blend of college age faggots who think that they can do some sort of good, and who are desperate to belong, to have attention. You have accomplished nothing, and you will fall. Enjoy your AIDS, faggots.
Sure Apple's consumer software is all closed up & proprietary, but come on most of OS X is Open Source
Outside of webkit, the BSD toolchain, bits of the kernel and a few daemons... Not really that opensource, when the applications, libraries and frameworks that make the majority of applications "work" on OS X isn't available. It's a missleading form of lock in.
& relies on open standards
Considering what is going on with POSIX, OpenGL, IPv6 and so on in the OS, I'd more likely say it relies on broken implementations/versions of "open standards" rather than relying on it. If I were to put a tin foil hat on, it would seem like further attempts at lock ins. However, without a tin foil hat, I would feel it's just incompetence.
that's one of the reasons that my government employer bought into Apple's enterprise offerings.
I couldn't stand reading government decision making documents, usually most of it is just filler, throwing generic phrases around. I'll take your word on it.
An editor (and yes, I'm being elusive because you're rubbing me the wrong way).
Is it something used by a large number of Mac users?
A good chunk of users use it, yes.
If so, can you tell me: why did your app fail, when most other *nix apps can be compiled and run on the Mac?
This is a missleading question, most other *nix applications require modifications to work properly under OS X while they work fine on other Unix and Linux systems, see the extensive modifications done in darwin ports and mac ports. In fact, you will find some of the ported tools even ran into the exact same problem I mentioned. Yet even still, there are issues even now with the software packages due to the lack of POSIX compliance.
Mac OS (7/8/9) had a much smaller market share than Mac OS X has today
Back in the time when people wrote viruses for fun, I don't even recall a single Mac classic virus payload to steal information like the ones we have today.
Obviously those people would be a rather more lucrative pool of victims, yet they remain almost entirely unexploited.
It seems most likely that either one of Apple's core OS libraries is doing something undefined and unwise that breaks normal functionality, or their platform is just plain broken.
Most people aren't dealing with the internals of the OS as you are
I don't understand the point of this statement.
Regardless of whether you agree, OS X was certified to be Posix-compliant.
But it's not as clearly identified earlier.
The vast majority of end-users would never notice the difference.
Yes they would, see below.
That was my point, not the technical details.
You said for practical purposes, I gave a practical purpose where POSIX compliance is used and it failed. The applications that rely on this would crash regardless, so yes, users would notice.
How would I know this? I know this because users complained to me when one of my applications was crashing which was due to this exact problem.
Technically. But I wrote "for practical purposes". Do you even know what Posix-compliant means?
Does it mean it's meant to follow the POSIX specifications and thus not do stuff like forcing you to fork() and exec() when it cannot guarantee you that the libraries you are using are safe from async-signal-safe?
It can't guarantee your code can be forked even in a signal handler at any time. This is what POSIX demands. Trying to fork() without exec() is normal behaviour in the POSIX spectifications, however, if OS X cannot guarantee that the libraries in use are 'async-signal-safe', then this is not allowed and it crashes the thread, which in most cases will crash the application.
I mean, when it can't do something that is pretty standard in POSIX like forking correctly, how can you call it compliant to POSIX?
The certification OS X received is in my opinion void, because it doesn't really respect the specification, sadly the certification didn't have a testcase written for this as well as many other things I have discovered while porting POSIX applications to OS X.
I ask that you please stop decieving people with these marketing lies, I have wasted far too many hours dealing with OS X's lack of compliance, despite the marketing claims that it is. You're only tricking other developers who are not familiar with the platform to fall into the trap I did.
Chinese Universities are already as good as your once glorious Ivy League ones
If they really were as good, they would have a reputation just as good as the Ivy League ones in the international world. I can't ever recall a Chinese university being mentioned here in Europe as the place to study.
People go to Ivy League universities not only for what they offer in education, but for having a piece of paper with a well known, reputable institution. A Chinese university does not offer that in the international world when compared to the US's Ivy League.
Sir, you are a liar. Your claims failed to reach even simple things like reputation. Thus they could not be "as good".
China produces more goods while you throw money away at ponzi schemes like facebook.
At least the US doesn't do underhanded tactics like preventing their currency from floating to manipulate the market which has been responsible for many job and money issues in the rest of the world.
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I've been playing dragon age 2 on a netbook (and my main PC) and that just came out...
Doesn't seem like a troll to me.
But what he said is true. The distributor's DRM scheme violates the licensing. If that's the case, then you can't just include LGPL libraries and such without seeking out the copyright holder(s) to see if they will make a exemption for you.
Except the VLC developer mailing list shows otherwise, where did you get that information from?
Not really, SCO will just be wasting time on a pieces of code like:
I get CAM UnZip as the first result here. I've never even heard of it.
I guess so.. Since many essentially don't let you reuse the code in any form. Seems simple enough.
I suspect anything that is GPL, LGPL is in violation because of what certain developers have been saying about the compatability of how the application store works.
Probably something to do with having to buy a copy of Windows after to run their Windows applications and then finding out the Apple logo didn't protect them.
Nie jestem polakiem, tylko mieszkalem w polsce za dziesiecio letcie.
Reasoning.
I was the only foreigner in the school and at the time, foreigners were somewhat unwanted. Other people didn't have to worry about the same things I did for that reason.
The above example, language barriers (person on the phone might not be able to speak the language well enough to convey a message properly) and the fact the school's landline was usually busy a lot, the fact that my where abouts was not even known by the school it self half the time (private one on one schooling to help me with studies as I didn't know the language well enough to always join the class in some subjects - these were arranged directly with teachers and myself, not the administration and were prone to regular changes).
Depends on the situation in my opinion.
You still didn't answer where 'here' is.
A single reason that would apply to everyone? Geeze, people can't agree on any generalization and you want a reason for something that applies to "any student".
When I was living in Poland (you said 'the world', so this would apply), as a teenager, I had mobile phone updates on my Nokia 3120, and later a Nokia 6310i (my father's old mobile phones - He changed phones a lot) to tell me when to get out of an area because of the Polish mafia doing stuff in an area. I'm pretty sure a few minutes difference could have been problematic for me.
There, I gave you one and it was from when I was a teenager when I was a student - The quoted statement above is shown to be invalid. Of course you're probably going to try to reword it now or something in a follow up post.
There are schools on Slashdot!?
(Seriously an unspecified 'here' location isn't very informative in the slightest)
u mad, bro?
Here is Anonymous's previous response to such claims:
Outside of webkit, the BSD toolchain, bits of the kernel and a few daemons... Not really that opensource, when the applications, libraries and frameworks that make the majority of applications "work" on OS X isn't available. It's a missleading form of lock in.
Considering what is going on with POSIX, OpenGL, IPv6 and so on in the OS, I'd more likely say it relies on broken implementations/versions of "open standards" rather than relying on it. If I were to put a tin foil hat on, it would seem like further attempts at lock ins. However, without a tin foil hat, I would feel it's just incompetence.
I couldn't stand reading government decision making documents, usually most of it is just filler, throwing generic phrases around. I'll take your word on it.
An editor (and yes, I'm being elusive because you're rubbing me the wrong way).
A good chunk of users use it, yes.
This is a missleading question, most other *nix applications require modifications to work properly under OS X while they work fine on other Unix and Linux systems, see the extensive modifications done in darwin ports and mac ports. In fact, you will find some of the ported tools even ran into the exact same problem I mentioned. Yet even still, there are issues even now with the software packages due to the lack of POSIX compliance.
They didn't bite on Slashdot.
I'm not paying for anything. It's a free google apps domain a friend is running and gave me admin access on.
You obviously doubt the power of Slashdot. Slashdot can heal people and raise them from the dead, turn water into wine, it's power is limitless.
Back in the time when people wrote viruses for fun, I don't even recall a single Mac classic virus payload to steal information like the ones we have today.
lighten up.
Not seeing it.
I don't have an ad blocker.
Point it out to me, please.
How do they make a profit off gmail exactly? I don't recall ever seeing any ads on it. How does happy translate into money from an e-mail account?
Ding ding ding :)
I don't understand the point of this statement.
But it's not as clearly identified earlier.
Yes they would, see below.
You said for practical purposes, I gave a practical purpose where POSIX compliance is used and it failed. The applications that rely on this would crash regardless, so yes, users would notice.
How would I know this? I know this because users complained to me when one of my applications was crashing which was due to this exact problem.
Does it mean it's meant to follow the POSIX specifications and thus not do stuff like forcing you to fork() and exec() when it cannot guarantee you that the libraries you are using are safe from async-signal-safe?
It can't guarantee your code can be forked even in a signal handler at any time. This is what POSIX demands. Trying to fork() without exec() is normal behaviour in the POSIX spectifications, however, if OS X cannot guarantee that the libraries in use are 'async-signal-safe', then this is not allowed and it crashes the thread, which in most cases will crash the application.
I mean, when it can't do something that is pretty standard in POSIX like forking correctly, how can you call it compliant to POSIX?
The certification OS X received is in my opinion void, because it doesn't really respect the specification, sadly the certification didn't have a testcase written for this as well as many other things I have discovered while porting POSIX applications to OS X.
I ask that you please stop decieving people with these marketing lies, I have wasted far too many hours dealing with OS X's lack of compliance, despite the marketing claims that it is. You're only tricking other developers who are not familiar with the platform to fall into the trap I did.
If they really were as good, they would have a reputation just as good as the Ivy League ones in the international world. I can't ever recall a Chinese university being mentioned here in Europe as the place to study.
People go to Ivy League universities not only for what they offer in education, but for having a piece of paper with a well known, reputable institution. A Chinese university does not offer that in the international world when compared to the US's Ivy League.
Sir, you are a liar. Your claims failed to reach even simple things like reputation. Thus they could not be "as good".
At least the US doesn't do underhanded tactics like preventing their currency from floating to manipulate the market which has been responsible for many job and money issues in the rest of the world.