Firefox used to be a fast, lightweight browser. They seem to have been looking for the plot since some time in the FF2 era, though, and FF3 is such a monster that despite the Mozilla gang's irritating efforts to convince me, I still haven't upgraded any other machines beyond the first one I used to try it out.
I find Firefox 3 is a lot faster than Firefox 2 and when comparing the speed differences with the Firebird series, I still find Firefox 3 handles large amounts of pages in tabs better and it is more responsive. However, the original Firebird does use less memory when it comes to just using it for a single page, no other tabs etc.
I disagree with your statements for the reasons above.
cool i really needed to know about your sexual fetishes in a discussion on slashdot about software thanks for sharing
I didn't mention any sexual fetishes.
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Ever tried to install something on a desktop distro ?
Yep, I've used SuSE (not OpenSuSE), Mandriva and Kubuntu excessively as desktop distributions with in the recent years.
most of the time no entry in any menus....have to look at installed files in user/sbin or whaetever..
Nope. I cannot recall that ever happening to be honest.
That is because graphical applications/must/ have a.desktop file or the package doesn't get accepted into the distribution's repositories.
Windows installers makes it easy:it asks for icons, shorcuts etc, and put them at the end.
I do get fedup of certain windows installers that just create icons on the desktop or quick launch without asking.
Even if you have icons in a distro..you have to hunt for them...and ask another gui to move them where you want...(gnome)
Eh?.desktop files are universal.
Hell distros dont even have something to identify your hardware that does not suck monkey balls...hard to know what to install then.
There is only one device on my system that requires specialized drivers to be installed and my distro provided everything needed to identify and install it. All I had to do was tick the check box and it downloaded and installed the appropriate drivers.
In the original poster's case, he had drivers that worked, but they did not work as well as older version of drivers - which is not a very common scenario.
linux sucks on the desktop cause you need a professional administrator to use it.
If your points were valid to begin with, that might be true, but they certainly aren't with the popular desktop distributions.
Perhaps those points were valid eight years ago, I don't know.
Where is your source for this? Every time I've ever logged onto Second Life (I tend to avoid it because it's ridiculously slow and choppy for such simple graphics), the furry population is everywhere. You just can't get away from it.
Most popular areas on Second life, just by searching common phrases like 'the' and sorting by popularity appear to be all or mostly human.
I go to the welcome area, I see about 40 human avatars and one furry avatar. Oh my God, ONE FURRY, THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR ME!!!!!
If you want to avoid furs: Stay away from Lusk, Furnation, valley sims, Lost furs and the forest (these sims don't even make up 1% of Second life's simulators, nor the population).
Or even better, go to the anti-furry sims, like Goreans, what etc.
Even in the MST3K theater I visited (/cry).
Maybe you shouldn't go to things created/built on Second life by furs either then.
- People dont want a single, unified global environment. They want their own private, locked out bubbles of reality where they can control every single aspect, and possibly allow visitors in.
Second life already offers this capability in land parcel tools and estate tools.
- The user interface was designed by an engineer. And it shows.
Considering how bad Linden lab is at engineering things like the the LSL2 bytecode engine - I don't agree on the engineer statement.
- The company itself was initially ran by engineers who had no idea how to provide a user experience, and is now being ran by a marketing team that cares more about corporate big bucks then the users themselves. Result: Nobody really worked on a proper user experience for newbies, causing them to feel lost and disoriented with a sense of having nothing to do.
Well, the result is that there seems to be a lot of women using Second life, loads of socialization etc.
Am I the only one who found Second life easier to understand than Eve Online and World of Warcraft by the way?
The tutorials - when available - tend to focus more on how to use the client rather then how to use the world to get a positive experience.
Knowing how to use the client would get a positive experience. Since anything is possible and Linden lab does not promote anything specific in Second life (since you can interact, play, run a business). It is really up to you. There are plenty of events in the search that teach you how to do things from business to uh.. one moment (searching...) BDSM roleplay....
So yea. All these points are what caused SL to end up sucking for most people who arent into the virtual world field, and more.
Actually, I find it is mostly the hardcore gamers that aren't really interested in Second life. I meet a lot of average joe users on Second life than in any other graphical online environment.
But it had nothing to do with "haha virtual worlds suck moving on" or "OH SHIT, FURRIES".
As a long-time Second Lifer (i.e., I'm a sad human being), I would say that Second Life does do one thing very well that very few MMO's do. It attracts women. Chicks really dig Second Life.
Hear Hear!. I may be addicted to World of Warcrack, but at least theres kind-of a point to it. (one which DOESN'T involve cyber sex)
Although that doesn't seem to stop people from having "cyber sex" on it. I dare say, it might be more popular on World of Warcraft too.
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However, you would think that Linux distributions like Ubuntu or Fedora would make this an easy process. SUSE have taken the line of "this is not a supported chipset" in their current release. If the hardware worked in a previous release then tough luck we won't support it now.
I don't think it's such a common issue on Linux to have hardware that doesn't work after a updated driver - I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it just isn't that common.
I think because this doesn't happen often, it is one of the main reasons why many of the big distributions haven't even given this much thought. They do already have specialized driver managers that allow you to choose between proprietary and opensource drivers (restricted-manager in Ubuntu for example). We already have the 'layer' of support we need in my opinion, it's just telling the distributions to package this option in their restricted-manager-like utilities.
I would really like to see these applications expand to let users choose newer/older proprietary/opensource drivers when they need to through those utilities. The new drivers being provided more or less as they come out, so users don't have to wait for the next big distribution release or add those experimental repositories that tend to update other software to experimental software too.
My biological father bought an Asus "eeeppppcccc"(whatever) and was happy with it until he tried to install a wireless dongle (to connect to internet via mobile phone network). The installation instructions were similar to the above. There is no way he could understand this or even talk him through it over the phone.
Heh, I have to say, the only thing I really hate about the EeePC is the name.
One problem with the EeePC's default Linux installation is that it really has minimal hardware support compared to other Linux distributions and I do find it somewhat agitating, because it's not suddenly a issue of Linux supporting the hardware, as much as the OEM deciding what hardware it should support.
His solution? He bought and installed XP. From a user's perspective it's an understandable reaction and he can surf the internet now.
I'm guessing he had to buy a external optical drive too - that gets kind of expensive:/
Most of us who post here can go through the above steps quite easily, we're geeks we are expected to.
I will say, I have had more success getting people to type in commands over the phone than clicking things - It is very rare I find someone who knows what the "start menu" / "programs menu" is and they insist they don't have one. Never mind trying to figure out what people call the various GUI elements.
Generally, support issues on computers just suck (I'm referring to all issues) and I have no real idea on how to improve it other than making it all work out of the box - Easier said than done.
All it will take is a some kind of simple "gui" type option to ask the user which driver to install or activate. You can do it with proprietary video drivers why not anything else?
Your point and mine, I agree completely.
But after *years* of experiencing smooth upgrades of my Linux installation and then suddenly something as basic as wifi hardware not working really annoys me.
Heh, reminds me of the first time I installed opensuse and found that it didn't work with most hardware because at the time, they believed in being 100% opensource, so they didn't include any (freely redistributable) binary-blob drivers for things like Ethernet cards.
There is if you want any land to put your stuff in. A parcel of Second Life land called a "sim" costs $1,000 plus $295 per month. This gives you 16 acres, the same area as an Animal Crossing: Wild World town.
Of course, you don't have to buy a sim, you can just buy a parcel of land. Private sim owners and Linden lab both sell smaller parcels of land for a lot less. No setup fees either.
Additionally, one does not need land on Second life to interact, build, show off things, sell things (places like slexchange will provide server box parcel locations to host your prim server thing).
But sure, if you want a permanent place to stick your sky castle, sky mall/shop etc. It suddenly becomes a problem.
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Well, that is true since this isn't a problem in Windows I guess you have a real point:p
Actually, it is a issue on Windows. Did you forget, there were many wireless cards that stopped working when SP2 came out, many hardware vendors didn't even care enough to update the drivers for SP2.
Meanwhile, all these shops were selling wireless cards with "Windows XP" stickers that didn't actually work at all with Windows XP SP2.
Let's not forget the Vista compatibility issues either.
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I was with you up to "simply".
Because copy-pasting six pieces of text is so hard.:)
Next you're going to tell me it's easier to do the equivalent on Windows - which is usually not a option, ever.
Normally if you're in a situation where the hardware manufacturer doesn't care about a piece of their hardware working on a newer version of the OS you're running, that's pretty much it. Nothing you can do with that hardware.
The equivalent being that one grab C compilers from Microsoft, install the relevant platform SDK, (after validating WGA of course;)
Opening a cmd.exe window, CD'ing to the path and running a compile (provided the people who made the driver made it that easy - unfortunately I have never seen compiling a windows driver being just that simple).
I haven't even taken into account that some of the lower level nativeapi functions that some drivers use will not have the needed development libraries available for free from Microsoft and if they're using them - it is likely they can't redistribute the source to you without making you sign some NDA first.
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If this had been about a windows machine and the solution was to download some fix pack from a manufacturer or microsoft with an executable and a couple mouse clicks of next next next we'd be hearing from the Linux crowd about how much a pain in the ass Windows is.
If we take the assumption this issue occured on Windows, you would of been stuck with this issue with no options at all.
I think the VW fad is starting to die off a bit now and we are seeing people asking "All well and good, but we've seen virtual worlds and the novelty has worn off.
If that's the case, Second life would still be only ten simulators, not increasing every month still.
Amazing! Webcam support! Welcome to the future everybody! Now we can do everything people were doing in 1997, but with Linux!
To be honest, I have had a lot of webcams and never had one that didn't work on Linux when got them (I didn't even know if they would when I got them either).
I don't really think you can claim Linux's webcam support has been bad within these past years.
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Look at these changes. Most of them are support and improvements for all sorts of different hardware. Apple supports a tiny specific subset of all the various configurations of hardware in the world. They simply don't have these problems.
Apple can't even get the hardware support on their own hardware right half the time. Just Google the wireless support, graphic driver support on the Mac. Hell, look on Apple's support forums.
It's incredible how much they don't get right when they only have to worry about such a small subset amount of hardware.
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Linux remains the best OS for techie desktops, and competes with the BSDs as one of the best OSes for most kinds of server and for embedded devices that don't need a real-time kernel but do need a full modern operating system.
No offense, but BSD is even relevant anymore? I think Linux has surpassed BSD a long time ago.
You're missing the point. Lots of people don't want something that really shows what they look like. Were this not the case, plastic surgery wouldn't be so popular. Its not just about fat people. Lots of people don't like the way they look.
You're missing the point, this guy does not want to look like a young hipster. He may not want a representation of himself, but he obviously does not want to be a young hipster.
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My wifi hardware is based on the rt2500 chipset series and is quite common on most laptops and until recently were reliable. As far as I remember the drivers were being rewritten for the kernel - which is fine but if it breaks hardware (which until that time had been reliable) then people should have been made aware of this or even work with the distos for a interm fix.
tar jxvf compat-wireless-old.tar.bz2 cd compat-wireless-old make sudo make install sudo make unload sudo make load
This will install the latest wireless drivers for your system and will not conflict with your distribution's package manager, should you want to remove the install and restore your previous drivers:
Make sure you are in the directory where the wireless driver installer is.
sudo make unload sudo make uninstall sudo make load
(It would probably be a good idea to reboot after that).
Normally I would never, ever recommend people compile stuff on Linux, however, in your case, it seems this would be the only way to get good support and this is really a last resort (a resort that you couldn't do under Windows if you ran into this problem).
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I find Firefox 3 is a lot faster than Firefox 2 and when comparing the speed differences with the Firebird series, I still find Firefox 3 handles large amounts of pages in tabs better and it is more responsive. However, the original Firebird does use less memory when it comes to just using it for a single page, no other tabs etc.
I disagree with your statements for the reasons above.
Maybe I'll believe you when it will catch up to small things like hyperlinks that OOo can do.
I didn't mention any sexual fetishes.
Yep, I've used SuSE (not OpenSuSE), Mandriva and Kubuntu excessively as desktop distributions with in the recent years.
Nope. I cannot recall that ever happening to be honest.
That is because graphical applications /must/ have a .desktop file or the package doesn't get accepted into the distribution's repositories.
I do get fedup of certain windows installers that just create icons on the desktop or quick launch without asking.
Eh? .desktop files are universal.
There is only one device on my system that requires specialized drivers to be installed and my distro provided everything needed to identify and install it. All I had to do was tick the check box and it downloaded and installed the appropriate drivers.
In the original poster's case, he had drivers that worked, but they did not work as well as older version of drivers - which is not a very common scenario.
If your points were valid to begin with, that might be true, but they certainly aren't with the popular desktop distributions.
Perhaps those points were valid eight years ago, I don't know.
Most popular areas on Second life, just by searching common phrases like 'the' and sorting by popularity appear to be all or mostly human.
I go to the welcome area, I see about 40 human avatars and one furry avatar. Oh my God, ONE FURRY, THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR ME!!!!!
If you want to avoid furs: Stay away from Lusk, Furnation, valley sims, Lost furs and the forest (these sims don't even make up 1% of Second life's simulators, nor the population).
Or even better, go to the anti-furry sims, like Goreans, what etc.
Maybe you shouldn't go to things created/built on Second life by furs either then.
So, the majority of the issues you had are no longer a issue.
Oh God, say it isn't so, I have to add "gzip -d |" to the command list!
Seriously... You can change the defaults if it really bothers you that much.
And how would that be failure?
Who hasn't yiffed in that sim?
Thanks for the advice though.
Second life already offers this capability in land parcel tools and estate tools.
Considering how bad Linden lab is at engineering things like the the LSL2 bytecode engine - I don't agree on the engineer statement.
Well, the result is that there seems to be a lot of women using Second life, loads of socialization etc.
Am I the only one who found Second life easier to understand than Eve Online and World of Warcraft by the way?
Knowing how to use the client would get a positive experience. Since anything is possible and Linden lab does not promote anything specific in Second life (since you can interact, play, run a business). It is really up to you. There are plenty of events in the search that teach you how to do things from business to uh.. one moment (searching...) BDSM roleplay....
Actually, I find it is mostly the hardcore gamers that aren't really interested in Second life. I meet a lot of average joe users on Second life than in any other graphical online environment.
I'm a furry. Resistance is futile.
Second life might get slashdotted now.
There is one actually. And the Second life viewer is opensource too.
Although that doesn't seem to stop people from having "cyber sex" on it. I dare say, it might be more popular on World of Warcraft too.
I don't think it's such a common issue on Linux to have hardware that doesn't work after a updated driver - I'm not saying it doesn't happen, it just isn't that common.
I think because this doesn't happen often, it is one of the main reasons why many of the big distributions haven't even given this much thought. They do already have specialized driver managers that allow you to choose between proprietary and opensource drivers (restricted-manager in Ubuntu for example). We already have the 'layer' of support we need in my opinion, it's just telling the distributions to package this option in their restricted-manager-like utilities.
I would really like to see these applications expand to let users choose newer/older proprietary/opensource drivers when they need to through those utilities. The new drivers being provided more or less as they come out, so users don't have to wait for the next big distribution release or add those experimental repositories that tend to update other software to experimental software too.
Heh, I have to say, the only thing I really hate about the EeePC is the name.
One problem with the EeePC's default Linux installation is that it really has minimal hardware support compared to other Linux distributions and I do find it somewhat agitating, because it's not suddenly a issue of Linux supporting the hardware, as much as the OEM deciding what hardware it should support.
I'm guessing he had to buy a external optical drive too - that gets kind of expensive :/
I will say, I have had more success getting people to type in commands over the phone than clicking things - It is very rare I find someone who knows what the "start menu" / "programs menu" is and they insist they don't have one. Never mind trying to figure out what people call the various GUI elements.
Generally, support issues on computers just suck (I'm referring to all issues) and I have no real idea on how to improve it other than making it all work out of the box - Easier said than done.
Your point and mine, I agree completely.
Heh, reminds me of the first time I installed opensuse and found that it didn't work with most hardware because at the time, they believed in being 100% opensource, so they didn't include any (freely redistributable) binary-blob drivers for things like Ethernet cards.
Of course, you don't have to buy a sim, you can just buy a parcel of land. Private sim owners and Linden lab both sell smaller parcels of land for a lot less. No setup fees either.
Additionally, one does not need land on Second life to interact, build, show off things, sell things (places like slexchange will provide server box parcel locations to host your prim server thing).
But sure, if you want a permanent place to stick your sky castle, sky mall/shop etc. It suddenly becomes a problem.
Actually, it is a issue on Windows. Did you forget, there were many wireless cards that stopped working when SP2 came out, many hardware vendors didn't even care enough to update the drivers for SP2.
Meanwhile, all these shops were selling wireless cards with "Windows XP" stickers that didn't actually work at all with Windows XP SP2.
Let's not forget the Vista compatibility issues either.
Because copy-pasting six pieces of text is so hard. :)
Next you're going to tell me it's easier to do the equivalent on Windows - which is usually not a option, ever.
Normally if you're in a situation where the hardware manufacturer doesn't care about a piece of their hardware working on a newer version of the OS you're running, that's pretty much it. Nothing you can do with that hardware.
The equivalent being that one grab C compilers from Microsoft, install the relevant platform SDK, (after validating WGA of course ;)
Opening a cmd.exe window, CD'ing to the path and running a compile (provided the people who made the driver made it that easy - unfortunately I have never seen compiling a windows driver being just that simple).
I haven't even taken into account that some of the lower level nativeapi functions that some drivers use will not have the needed development libraries available for free from Microsoft and if they're using them - it is likely they can't redistribute the source to you without making you sign some NDA first.
If we take the assumption this issue occured on Windows, you would of been stuck with this issue with no options at all.
You really crack me up :)
What failure? I've spent half of my free time today building a space station on Second life, I was not aware of any failure?
If that's the case, Second life would still be only ten simulators, not increasing every month still.
There is no subscription fee for Second life.
To be honest, I have had a lot of webcams and never had one that didn't work on Linux when got them (I didn't even know if they would when I got them either).
I don't really think you can claim Linux's webcam support has been bad within these past years.
Apple can't even get the hardware support on their own hardware right half the time. Just Google the wireless support, graphic driver support on the Mac. Hell, look on Apple's support forums.
It's incredible how much they don't get right when they only have to worry about such a small subset amount of hardware.
No offense, but BSD is even relevant anymore? I think Linux has surpassed BSD a long time ago.
Maybe the Linux DSDT table is crap in your motherboard - Sample.
You're missing the point, this guy does not want to look like a young hipster. He may not want a representation of himself, but he obviously does not want to be a young hipster.
Try out one of the wireless driver packages from http://linuxwireless.org/ (for hardy http://wireless.kernel.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-old.tar.bz2 ).
You will need to install your kernel source headers and the build environment
Then it's simply,
This will install the latest wireless drivers for your system and will not conflict with your distribution's package manager, should you want to remove the install and restore your previous drivers:
Make sure you are in the directory where the wireless driver installer is.
(It would probably be a good idea to reboot after that).
Normally I would never, ever recommend people compile stuff on Linux, however, in your case, it seems this would be the only way to get good support and this is really a last resort (a resort that you couldn't do under Windows if you ran into this problem).