The last time I used a KDE based distro (Kubuntu 7.10) it was a joke. Applications crashed (Konqueror, amaroK, RKWard, among others) very often and the system overall felt fragile compared to Gnome and yes... even to Windows XP.
I use Kubuntu 7.10 heavily (I'm a power user), everyday. So far, I can only recall Konqueror crashing once. Nothing else has crashed on me since in KDE and I've been using Kubuntu 7.10 from the day it came out.
This isn't exactly about KDE, but I have seriously considered moving to linux simply for the K3B CD/DVD all-in-one application. There just doesn't seem to be any real substitute in Windows. The best you can hope for is to use several programs in combination with each other.
I think Nero comes pretty close to it in functionality. Unfortunately the application itself can be of a resource hog in comparison.
All I want is for the KDE team to fix one annoying bug that has been in Konqueror for years. If you use the most compact view available, listing the icons from top to bottom, long filenames are drawn incorrectly, leaving artifacts all over the window. To reproduce the bug, use the small icons (from top to bottom) or list mode of Konqueror or Dolphin, navigate to a folder with lots of files/folders with long names, and scroll to the right.
I agree... That is a annoying bug. Do you have a bug link where we can vote on to fix it?
You ignored the rest of the post, harped on the one line, and went on and on about how I provided no evidence (while providing none of your own).
Actually, my first post was merely declaring "Oh God, not this crap again". Because that single line alone works well as flamebait on Slashdot usually.
You chose to continue it, at that point I started replying to each sentence except for some that were insults.
YOU are the troll.
Not from my point of view, which has been made pretty clear my previous posts.
It doesn't matter how many times you claim you provided more information than I since a quick review of the thread will show you did no such thing.
You can claim what you like. But at the end of the day, you can look at your own thread and see how other users have been stirred up by your troll-like posts.
Same goes for the fact that you were rude and focused only on what I said about Linux.
I brought up Apple and Windows, but did not exactly have much to say on it since - Well, what is there to say about a OS that doesn't crash as much as when people claim it crashes so much? Sure. I could bring up all my OS X issues, but it didn't seem relevant at all to the response since you particularly mentioned "Linux" repeatedly.
and the reality is that Linux in its current guise won't be replacing Windows or MacOS any time soon.
I did not claim that, where am I saying that? I don't even consider Linux to be a replacement of another OS.
Most users aren't even thinking in the same terms as you.
Where did I mention average Joe thinks like me?
They couldn't give a shit which desktop manager is more intuitive (and your claim is subjective anyway).
Actually, they do. They use what they find more comfortable and intuitive for them. Be it a specific OS or window manager. Usually the reasons with choice are what they are most familiar with.
What they want to know is which one lets them run their favourite programs and perform the tasks they want to get done.
From what I have seen of most users. They don't want to know, they just want it to work.
That you don't understand this
From what you've stated so far, it is apparent to me you don't understand this.
and that you don't think manners are important make you the social inept that you are.
I have manners, I don't go around telling people to go mate with animals, nor do I go around calling people names unlike some people. I don't let myself escalate in profanity either.
That you'll be a two bit hypocrite and criticize me for not supplying references while in the same breath telling me you don't owe me the same makes your entire argument nothing more than a pathetic childish whine.
I have given you more than enough factual information that you can verify yourself easily. I am not going to spoon feed someone who behaves like a troll references.
You completely ignore the majority of my arguments and pick on other details, deterring from any sort of meaningful discussion. You don't even acknowledge the validity of anything stated. In inclusion, it is obvious to me that you are just trying to get a rise out of users like me, much like other trolls.
You're no more than a troll and I'm done feeding you.
I use IRC daily and the amount of conversations and users have increased in my time of using IRC. And I've used IRC back when you had to dial into a BBS to use it, back when ANSI color codes were the norm (I was pretty young then, and couldn't type very coherent sentences).
And no, I'm not trolling, i was there in the beginning, but watched it degenerate into a virtual cesspool years ago, and got out before it hit rock bottom. Has it improved?
That really depends on IRC network and their channels. The places I goto haven't degenerated.
And to think I was concerned about a trojan getting installed on my PC that would steal my USD from my checking account rather than Lindens from my SL account. Sorry, I'll get with the program soon...
Lindens are exchangable with real money.
Exploiting a system to obtain more normal currency is a lot harder than exploiting Second life. You know where the money is located in the Second life client, you know a 100% method to transfer funds to yourself etc.
With real banks? Well... You'd need to make various hooks into the browser, intercept traffic from the browser and rewrite it, make a custom implementation for each bank -- to put it simply. It's a lot harder.
Especially all those scam banks just take your money and one day just disappear.
I only know of Ginko Financial that disappeared, and the reasoning for that was that they couldn't sustain their business model due to changes in Second life's policies that effected them on a huge scale.
If a world engine much like Grand Theft Auto San Andreas was used, I think the game would attract many more 'serious' gamers.
Most engines cannot handle large open spaces, this includes Valve's source engine. A lot of them do not support dynamic content and require a tonne of pre-rendering to get the effects and looks you desire - which second life just cannot do due to how dynamic the world is. Also, I wouldn't call Second life a game. It is not very attractive for the interests of a gamer in my opinion as it is meant to be more of the 80s/90s stereotypical virtual reality.
If you want to see some better graphics, I suggest you use the windlight client. Things look a lot better there, but, you will need a pretty beefy machine to handle it.
If you'd asked for references or more information instead of being rude and arrogant we may have been able to have a discussion. What the fuck do you want on a forum? Refereed journal articles? You're being ridiculous.
Not to that extent, but certainly more information than you did provide, rather than the stereotypical flamebait phrases.
Ahh I see so now one of the criteria for commenting on a story is to post references to every comment or anecdote?
A reasonable amount, yes.
Gimme a break. You have no interest in bettering the site
I have far more interest in decent content than you do obviously.
or getting more information from me.
After the generic flamebait material in your post? No, not interested at all.
You're just sore that someone would dare to criticize your pet OS.
My pet OS is AROS, believe it or not I actually use plenty of operating systems daily and I have issues with all of them. None of them is 'perfect' for me. What annoys me is your stupid generic 'memes' which are used as flamebait all the time
How old are you?
If I were to give you any number, you would ridicule it, no point telling you.
That's really too bad because these "memes" are here to stay.
Doesn't mean I won't moderate everyone who uses them as flamebait, and it won't mean people like me will not just simply ignore it.
They summarise a users experience.
That is not a summary.
The fact is Linux isn't ready to be unleashed on mainstream non-hobbyists. Apple does not "just work" and depending on what you do windows may or may not crash every hour - certainly it was true for certain versions of windows (95, ME).
As I said, in certain scenarios. With Apple systems, there is a very good history of the system just not working with everything and even today, there are plenty of oddities and issues with OS X. I have had plenty of widely known, common issues within the mac community, with it for years and I still use it almost daily.
With Windows, the continuous crashing every hour was true for a minority, the systems did not crash to that extent, people claim that happens to the majority of modern Windows systems today - which is certainly not the case.
When most of the desktop software isn't written for Linux/Unix
That has never determined in the past if a OS was desktop ready. People claim OS X is ready for the desktop, but it definately does not get the amount of development Linux gets on desktop applications in comparison (just look at the DE development and compare it to the huge OS X software library sites).
when the alternatives are very weak and often incomplete immitations of better software
Honestly, the majority of the software on my Linux desktop are not even incomplete, cheap imitations...
But, let's see. I'll list the desktop applications: Crossover, Fontforge, Kooka, KPDF (even supports DRM fully, and has features that help the user in certain circumstances), Firefox, Kontact, Pidgin, Krita, Amarok, K3B, Kaffiene, xmms, Kexi, Staroffice, Karbon, Adept, Dolphin, kbluetooth, Keep, Ark, kate, speedcrunch, Strigi, ktemperature, Skype.
Out of that list and comparing against software that is similar which is incomplete and/or cheap imitations of other software, I can confidently say it is: Speedcrunch and Skype. Some of the software listed above obviously adapted concepts from other software, but they are in my opinion, superior to the applications because of the additional features they introduce which the original software does not have, thus not a 'cheap imitation'.
I considered for a bit adding Staroffice to the list, but it
Actually I was sharing my experiences, and my opinion.
With no real information to back it up, beyond extremely vague references.
Yet you seem to come here expecting that...
I consider Slashdot to be a site to be for 'nerds', part of the expectations in that is being able to actually debate or gain more insight from other 'nerds' on various topics.
or perhaps you're just being dishonest and like so many other fools who hear an opinion they don't like are just trying to tell me to shut up, clutching at whatever criticism suits them for an excuse.
Honestly, I am sick of the "Linux is not ready for the desktop", "Apple just works", "Windows crashes every hour" sort of memes.
They are all incorrect in my opinion, they may apply in certain scenarios, true, but they also don't in others.
When there are currently 60years and older people, children who are six years old who can use a Linux system without any real difficulty, it is in my opinion "ready for the desktop". These are normal people, some of which never used a computer before and they can actually use the system without difficulty - How can anyone say Linux is not ready for the desktop? The software is being used.
Linux distributions have definitely already surpassed what was considered "ready for the desktop" in other operating systems five years ago and this is accepted knowledge.
Yet, you bring up a common phrase that is often used in flamebaits, "Linux is not ready for the desktop". You don't bring up any information reinforcing it, what does that look like to me? Another flamebait.
If you're going to attack me on the basis of a lack of thoroughness and accuracy, and a lack of constructive feedback, the least you could do is actually provide something constructive, coherent and accurate yourself.
It was as constructive and thorough enough needed for a response to your posts.
Instead I get a vague inaccurate criticism which is a very shallow cover for "shut up". How am I even suppose to take your gibbering seriously?
I don't consider what I wrote vague, there was more than enough content to understand what the problem was, unlike in your previous posts.
Oh lookie he learnt a new word: 'meme'. Give him a pat. There are plenty of 'memes' I don't particularly care for here. Linux is ready for the desktop is one of them. Yet you support that
Oh yes, I support 'memes'. Wait, what?
Go mate with one then
It is generally believed that furrys are into bestiality. I am a furry.
Now you're attacking other Unix users because they're not as 'lite as you.
Heh, you missunderstood that. I am not on Slashdot to be friendly, I am not here to promote anything.
If you see me on IRC help channel, I will likely be offering you help and I won't be 'attacking' things you state. However, this is Slashdot, a site where 'nerds' communicate and if someone raises a point that appears to be obviously false, I am not going to assume he or she needs help and I am more likely to assume things such as this are flamebait, trolling and so on.
I've been willing to open up to Linux for years now, but the damned hostile community pushes me away.
I wouldn't say this is much different in comparison to the Windows communities either, since they generally are full of 'geeks' too.
That said, the Apple community is different, there has always been a lot of non-techies in their communities and so, their communities have just grown that way.
I'm not a geek, therefore I'm not welcome in their cirlces.
I think that's more of a relation issue... For people who are into computers, it's more difficult for them to associate with people aren't and you likely feel pushed away because nobody appears to be 'interested'. At least, this is the impression I have gotten from being in these groups.
This is a bigger problem than you are letting on.
I honestly don't believe it is that much of a problem because people tend to get support from friends, forums, static websites and paid support (usually last case scenario). The behavior and support usually in those areas is generally exactly the same, no real differential between OSes.
I'll agree that they can be quite different when you compare the actual user group meetings between those of different OSes... But most regular people don't even goto those and usually don't go and associate with a specific group of people who gather just because they're users of the same OS
It's so much a problem, it is even in the Linux user bylaws to be as accomodating and non-confrontational as possible.
I believe that is because of the stereotype Linux inherits. I honestly cannot remember a time when a Linux user just yelled "RTFM!" at anyone on IRC, forums or else where. I haven't always been a Linux user and have had to go ask for help a lot of times on things. Yet, I continuously hear from people how they don't like the community for those reasons.
You are a condescending prat who's happy to adopt a superior tone.
I love you too.
I wasn't filing a bug report
That much was obvious. You wern't even giving constructive criticism about anything in your original post. Just bland statements that could really apply to anything. It gets annoying hearing the same tired 'memes' on Slashdot over and over with nothing real backing them up.
and your response indicates your social skills are on par with that of a sloth.
I think sloths are cute.
The same social skills and attitude I might add that make Linux horrible for a non-hobbyist end user.
I am not a helper here, nor is it my intention to promote Linux on Slashdot either. If you want hugs, you might want to try http://www.ubuntuforums.com/ or such.
Funny, that's what I say every time I take the plunge and try out a Linux distro. I must admit I'm trying less frequently lately.
That is where we differ, I am far more descriptive when I have issues with a OS. I don't summarize my OS issues with a simple blanket statement that can apply to anything.
I am sure FF has more users than OpenSuse. However, OpenSuse is among the three most used Linux distros, and in central Europe probably among the top two or one.
I remember in 10.1 and 10.2 OpenSuSE was just starting to get popular actually. So, I don't think it was at that ranking yet.
I certainly would find an article about the FF version 3 or even a beta for version 3 apropriate. But a tiny bugfix update like this? How do articles actually make it to the frontpage on Slashdot?
A vast large amount of people in Berlin do not speak English. I know this from personal experience of repeated visits there. I also know English isn't very prevalent elsewhere in Germany.
Last time I was there, I travelled a month through the country and I ran into one older woman running a B&B who couldn't speak english.
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Are you sure something else isn't wrong?
You chose to continue it, at that point I started replying to each sentence except for some that were insults.Not from my point of view, which has been made pretty clear my previous posts.
You completely ignore the majority of my arguments and pick on other details, deterring from any sort of meaningful discussion. You don't even acknowledge the validity of anything stated. In inclusion, it is obvious to me that you are just trying to get a rise out of users like me, much like other trolls.Irony.
Exploiting a system to obtain more normal currency is a lot harder than exploiting Second life. You know where the money is located in the Second life client, you know a 100% method to transfer funds to yourself etc.
With real banks? Well... You'd need to make various hooks into the browser, intercept traffic from the browser and rewrite it, make a custom implementation for each bank -- to put it simply. It's a lot harder.
If you want to see some better graphics, I suggest you use the windlight client. Things look a lot better there, but, you will need a pretty beefy machine to handle it.
Most people do not want to use banks in Second life, after the most popular one, Ginko financial, died and took peoples' money with it.
Not to that extent, but certainly more information than you did provide, rather than the stereotypical flamebait phrases.
A reasonable amount, yes.
I have far more interest in decent content than you do obviously.
After the generic flamebait material in your post? No, not interested at all.
My pet OS is AROS, believe it or not I actually use plenty of operating systems daily and I have issues with all of them. None of them is 'perfect' for me. What annoys me is your stupid generic 'memes' which are used as flamebait all the time
If I were to give you any number, you would ridicule it, no point telling you.
Doesn't mean I won't moderate everyone who uses them as flamebait, and it won't mean people like me will not just simply ignore it.
That is not a summary.
As I said, in certain scenarios. With Apple systems, there is a very good history of the system just not working with everything and even today, there are plenty of oddities and issues with OS X. I have had plenty of widely known, common issues within the mac community, with it for years and I still use it almost daily.
With Windows, the continuous crashing every hour was true for a minority, the systems did not crash to that extent, people claim that happens to the majority of modern Windows systems today - which is certainly not the case.
That has never determined in the past if a OS was desktop ready. People claim OS X is ready for the desktop, but it definately does not get the amount of development Linux gets on desktop applications in comparison (just look at the DE development and compare it to the huge OS X software library sites).
Honestly, the majority of the software on my Linux desktop are not even incomplete, cheap imitations...
But, let's see. I'll list the desktop applications:
Crossover, Fontforge, Kooka, KPDF (even supports DRM fully, and has features that help the user in certain circumstances), Firefox, Kontact, Pidgin, Krita, Amarok, K3B, Kaffiene, xmms, Kexi, Staroffice, Karbon, Adept, Dolphin, kbluetooth, Keep, Ark, kate, speedcrunch, Strigi, ktemperature, Skype.
Out of that list and comparing against software that is similar which is incomplete and/or cheap imitations of other software, I can confidently say it is: Speedcrunch and Skype. Some of the software listed above obviously adapted concepts from other software, but they are in my opinion, superior to the applications because of the additional features they introduce which the original software does not have, thus not a 'cheap imitation'.
I considered for a bit adding Staroffice to the list, but it
They are all incorrect in my opinion, they may apply in certain scenarios, true, but they also don't in others.
When there are currently 60years and older people, children who are six years old who can use a Linux system without any real difficulty, it is in my opinion "ready for the desktop". These are normal people, some of which never used a computer before and they can actually use the system without difficulty - How can anyone say Linux is not ready for the desktop? The software is being used.
Linux distributions have definitely already surpassed what was considered "ready for the desktop" in other operating systems five years ago and this is accepted knowledge.
Yet, you bring up a common phrase that is often used in flamebaits, "Linux is not ready for the desktop". You don't bring up any information reinforcing it, what does that look like to me? Another flamebait.It was as constructive and thorough enough needed for a response to your posts.I don't consider what I wrote vague, there was more than enough content to understand what the problem was, unlike in your previous posts.Oh yes, I support 'memes'. Wait, what?It is generally believed that furrys are into bestiality. I am a furry.Heh, you missunderstood that. I am not on Slashdot to be friendly, I am not here to promote anything.
If you see me on IRC help channel, I will likely be offering you help and I won't be 'attacking' things you state. However, this is Slashdot, a site where 'nerds' communicate and if someone raises a point that appears to be obviously false, I am not going to assume he or she needs help and I am more likely to assume things such as this are flamebait, trolling and so on.
That said, the Apple community is different, there has always been a lot of non-techies in their communities and so, their communities have just grown that way.I think that's more of a relation issue... For people who are into computers, it's more difficult for them to associate with people aren't and you likely feel pushed away because nobody appears to be 'interested'. At least, this is the impression I have gotten from being in these groups.I honestly don't believe it is that much of a problem because people tend to get support from friends, forums, static websites and paid support (usually last case scenario). The behavior and support usually in those areas is generally exactly the same, no real differential between OSes.
I'll agree that they can be quite different when you compare the actual user group meetings between those of different OSes... But most regular people don't even goto those and usually don't go and associate with a specific group of people who gather just because they're users of the same OSI believe that is because of the stereotype Linux inherits. I honestly cannot remember a time when a Linux user just yelled "RTFM!" at anyone on IRC, forums or else where. I haven't always been a Linux user and have had to go ask for help a lot of times on things. Yet, I continuously hear from people how they don't like the community for those reasons.
Yes, X is a Windowing system by title.
I believe the GPL has been tested quite well.
I'm pretty sure there are more Firefox users than OpenSuSE users for one.