You're being disingenuous. OS X Jaguar and Panther and Leopard was a big upgrade from OS X 10.1 Puma, paid upgrades and not a service pack you get for free.
So you want to say it doesn't count because one has to pay for them?
That's like saying all new versions of Kubuntu Linux don't count because they're all free.
Sure, there might be more changes in a service pack than one of Apple's point releases
It's not the amount, it's what. In Windows service packs, new APIs are available, certain components can end up completely redesigned (like the frontend to ICS's firewall was).
And each 10.x release has *far* more features than moving from Win95 to Win98
OS X didn't even exist back then.
On another note, I haven't seen really that many new features as much as more bundled applications that Microsoft is prohibited from doing.
2000 to XP
Windows 2000 was released on February 17, 2000
Windows XP was released in October 2001
Mac OS X 10.0 was released in March 24, 2001
Mac OS X 10.1 was released on September 25, 2001
Seriously, do you really want me to go about comparing 10.0 - 10.1 (the OS X of that time-frame) to windows 2000 - windows XP?
Mmm, I think you have Win2K SP4 (which you had as a duplicate of SP3) placed far later than its actual release. It came out in late 2003, which places it between Win2k3 and WinXP SP2.
Bad memory:)
Also, Windows Server 2003 was a server release only. Unless you're willing to imply that your standard home user is going to shell out the ~$500 for Windows 2003 Server (and that's the cheapest version on Amazon), it's irrelevant to this discussion.
The standard home user doesn't own a Mac (hell, where I live, people don't even know the company 'Apple', nevermind 'Mac' or 'Macintosh'). There are for certain people out there who have win2k3 at home, as there are those who have Macs. This point in my opinion is moot.
I'm sure I don't need to point out the multi-year gap between WinXP SP2 and WinVista.
True, and it might be interesting to some to note that win2k3 sp2 came out in 2007, seems a lot of activity on development on the other OSes silently ceased for a while which I hadn't realized.
Well, I've heard that new macs work out-of-the-box, unlike my brand new vista machine. It failed to boot after third time, and I've reinstalled twice in 2 weeks.
That's nothing, I got a MacBookPro from work, wouldn't stop doing high pitch noises. So I got it sent to be repaired. Came back, unrepaired after it being somewhere for months. Point release occures, the internal wireless card no longer works.
On my personal Macs, each one of them has suffered at least one "logicboard failure". But I suppose this isn't a fair comparison since we're supposed to be comparing OSes.
So, for OS issues. Since OS X 10.3 to 10.4.9, I still have issues with default Samba setups. Windows can't see the Mac on the network, OS X can't see windows etc. (it alternates between releases). What the hell is that?
I am plagued by deficient configuration options. Everything in OS X has to be dumbed down to the point where it makes no sense. Such as: I want to disable anti-aliasing completely as I don't work with large fonts or high resolutions -- Is there a solution? Sort of... You can increase this value that sets the minimum anti-aliasing size for fonts.. But it's not really obeyed by most applications or even the OS it self (even the white menubar ignores it!).
I have issues with user interface colors... I can't work for hours on OS X, because the only themes available are in gray and white... Which cause my eyes to strain.
Not to mention I find the X server in OS X primitive compared to what I can get in Windows... Fully working clipboard support, drag and drop, fully working 3d acceleration etc.
Also, wifi support is [i]worse[/i] than XP, how did that happen?
I suppose the same way 10.4.9 breaks wireless in the MacBookPro next to me.
Anyhow, I didn't really want to discuss broken issues between the OSes because I can go on and on with issues for Windows, OS X and Linux. I wanted more of a reasoning like, how spotlight really benefits the user over the new desktop search in vista or something.
Right now, I'm quite excited about features like DHCP quarantine (will save my wireless network a lot of grief from outdated machines) along with Internet Authentication Service that lets me specify some rules clients should obey by when they use my network.
I kind of want similar features on OS X too, machine connects to the network and if it isn't upto date (particularly useful since certain minor versions of 10.4 decide todo a network storm with my WINS server -- I don't think this will be the last issue either) only grant it access to a subnet that has only the update servers accessible.
No, they weren't. Here's your list, minus point releases
Following the same logic, Heres OS X minus point releases: OS X.
You want to include service packs, then we also need to include every 10.x.x release from Apple.
Service packs do often bring new API functionality for windows, new internal features and less common things like completely rewritten user interfaces and support. It's a lot more than just mere fixes and additional hardware support. Sorry, I'd say it's more than Apple's point releases.
During the last five years, Apple released major versions of OS X about every 1-1.5 years while all Microsoft had was XP.
Well, they kind of have to with how they stop offering support for software over three years.
When are they ending support entirely for XP again? Well, according to Microsoft's site main support ends in 2009 for a OS released in 2001 -- extended support (which you cannot get from Apple) ends in 2014.
Am I supposed to be impressed by Apple or something?
Unlike certain fanboys of another-not-to-be-named-OS who waited through intermediate releases (XP, XPsp2) for over 5 years - wait, what? 7?), I think I can handle 3 months.
Heh, well, I'm going to count how many "intermediate releases" Windows OS releases I've had since 2000.
but I know for a fact, that there are people in Poland using local auction service that move tens if not hundreds of thousands $ worth of stuff monthly
Citations will help verify a source, but that's of little use if a article is biased.
Which is why you can click the citation and read it in context.
I do think that everyone - in every school, in every country - should be taught that Wikipedia information must never be trusted.
I honestly do not believe that school books, encyclopedias should be trusted either unless they have multiple sources to backup their claims. Too many times have I ran across information that is plain wrong in textbooks and well known encyclopedias -- Often finding that out after researching on the subject at hand and checking the sources.
Next time, try to get a Atheros chipset, those work out of the box immediately. According to the documentation for your wireless card, theres quite a bit of manual labor in involved if it's not supported out of the box.
Honestly, my biggest complaint now is that WPA and connecting to weird RADIUS servers run by universities and the like is still a royal pain.
You need to read the info on Leopard. The finder is a complete rework and should be one of the bigger improvements.
Didn't they claim they rewrote finder or some non-sense in 10.3 (there were some fixes to finder -- but definitely not a rewrite)? How is this going to be any different?
Without going into too much detail, you could in theory:
Use a fake user agent on the wii shop channel site, such as "Opera/9.00 (Wii; U; ; 1038-58; Wii Shop Channel/1.0; en)"
Download update in question to disk.
Later when you get a Wii, run a local DNS server and reroute the DNS entry for the Wii shop channel to your local webserver with a page that contains the file.
Tell the Wii the DNS server is that one, open the Wii shop channel on the Wii, which should show your page and download that update.
So I'm not fully confident that I'll be able to find a Wii by June. Is there any way I can download the browser now and hold onto it until I can get a Wii?
what if you really, really wanted to know you have a real person on the other end of the wire. How would verify that?
I think the question you're asking is, "how can we verify the identity of the person on the other side with low false-positives?"
In response to that. I can imagine a system that on registration to ask people to sign a file (that they have to download) with dynamically generated content, including a header that says something among the lines of "This is a file for www.blah.com sites" (so you can't trick people into signing that file from another site).
The certificates permitted to sign such a file would be ones like Thawte's web of trust.
That is how I imagine one could implement a rather reliable anti-anonymous system using existing systems that are out there.
You're obviously not excersizing it with multiple IMAP accounts like me.
Nope, just loads of pop3 accounts.
Try to reply to an HTML email with the formatting intact. WHOOPS! Try to create an HTML formatted signature. WHOOPS! Try to paste an image from your clipboard into the email. WHOOPS!
All true (but certainly not how I want to compose e-mails in the first place anyway -- I don't know anyone other than you and secretaries that do that for the time being).
All these things have been in progress @ bugs.kde.org for years now. The team just has different priorities, they don't care about HTML email. Which is fine, but I still have a right to complain about it too.
You certainly have the right.
Not when you run Kontact, it is all part of the same PIM experience.
Kontact does very little infact, it uses a bunch of kioslaves all over the place. The Calendaring functions are taken from kOrganizer.
Since all the code to do this stuff is now GPL code in Evolution there is really no reason KMail can't make this work properly.
The code in evolution is probably designed entirely differently from what standard KDE application guidelines and kmail's, korganizer's own infrastructures (meaning they'd probably need to rewrite it all).
I am using KDE 3.5.6, Kontact 1.2.4, kmail 1.9.6, kaddressbook 3.5.6
Stop crashing on me already.
Kmail does not crash with me.
Also get HTML composer support in order, this is 2007 now you're like 4 years behind the times.
Eh? I can use HTML formatting features just fine in kmail? Try Options -> Formatting (HTML)
As well, why can't I work in one folder while another account loading?
Because things like filters for some obscure reason have to finish before you can perform a action. This is a known issue but I have no idea when they're planning to fix it and how.
There is no need to put this stupid wait screen up over the whole message area.
I don't have that.
However - nice work on the multitiude of calender and address book formats.
I've seen plenty of services that already require that (or if you give a.hotmail address, they then require you to also supply some sort of credit card information so they can verify who you are).
Solaris doesn't work on my Athlon 64 hardware. It doesn't recognize the SATA controllers nor does it have a 3d accelerated X-server with my graphics card.
Besides, it's slower (package management, admin tools, the same software I've ran on both OSes) and doesn't have a large repository (like Debian's) of software available on demand.
ven the guy who invented Debian has dumped it and switched to Solaris.
Ian Murdock went to work for Sun, but I can't find any information on 'switching' the OSes he uses.
Please stop by and fix my wireless connection that fails because "the cache couldn't be emptied." No hurry, though, as the Mac right next to it is able to seamlessly connec
Please stop by and fix my wireless connection that fails because I updated to OS X 10.4.9 (from 10.4.5 -- apparently the updated drivers aren't working?). No hurry, though, as the Kubuntu Linux laptop I'm typing on is able to seamlessly connect.
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That's like saying all new versions of Kubuntu Linux don't count because they're all free.
On another note, I haven't seen really that many new features as much as more bundled applications that Microsoft is prohibited from doing.
Seriously, do you really want me to go about comparing 10.0 - 10.1 (the OS X of that time-frame) to windows 2000 - windows XP?
On my personal Macs, each one of them has suffered at least one "logicboard failure". But I suppose this isn't a fair comparison since we're supposed to be comparing OSes.
So, for OS issues. Since OS X 10.3 to 10.4.9, I still have issues with default Samba setups. Windows can't see the Mac on the network, OS X can't see windows etc. (it alternates between releases). What the hell is that?
I am plagued by deficient configuration options. Everything in OS X has to be dumbed down to the point where it makes no sense. Such as: I want to disable anti-aliasing completely as I don't work with large fonts or high resolutions -- Is there a solution? Sort of... You can increase this value that sets the minimum anti-aliasing size for fonts.. But it's not really obeyed by most applications or even the OS it self (even the white menubar ignores it!).
I have issues with user interface colors... I can't work for hours on OS X, because the only themes available are in gray and white... Which cause my eyes to strain.
Not to mention I find the X server in OS X primitive compared to what I can get in Windows... Fully working clipboard support, drag and drop, fully working 3d acceleration etc.I suppose the same way 10.4.9 breaks wireless in the MacBookPro next to me.
Anyhow, I didn't really want to discuss broken issues between the OSes because I can go on and on with issues for Windows, OS X and Linux. I wanted more of a reasoning like, how spotlight really benefits the user over the new desktop search in vista or something.
Right now, I'm quite excited about features like DHCP quarantine (will save my wireless network a lot of grief from outdated machines) along with Internet Authentication Service that lets me specify some rules clients should obey by when they use my network.
I kind of want similar features on OS X too, machine connects to the network and if it isn't upto date (particularly useful since certain minor versions of 10.4 decide todo a network storm with my WINS server -- I don't think this will be the last issue either) only grant it access to a subnet that has only the update servers accessible.
Win2k SP1, WinXP, Win2k SP2, WinXP sp1, Win2k SP3, Win2k3, WinXP SP2, Win2k3 sp1, Win2k SP3, win2k3 sp2, WinVista etc.Well, they kind of have to with how they stop offering support for software over three years.
When are they ending support entirely for XP again? Well, according to Microsoft's site main support ends in 2009 for a OS released in 2001 -- extended support (which you cannot get from Apple) ends in 2014.
Am I supposed to be impressed by Apple or something?
Win2k SP1, WinXP, Win2k SP2, WinXP sp1, Win2k SP3, Win2k3, WinXP SP2, Win2k3 sp1, Win2k SP3, win2k3 sp2, WinVista etc.
Every year, I've definitely played with new 'intermediate' Windows OS versions.
Seriously, it's not like they didn't give you a easy way to verify if something is credible.What investigation? The citations are right on the page.
If they aren't there, one is better off looking at other sources for information.
Perhaps the schools should buy some accounts for the entire school to access sites like Britannica? -- I get the feeling they're too cheap to-do so.
Try Amazon.
Use a fake user agent on the wii shop channel site, such as "Opera/9.00 (Wii; U; ; 1038-58; Wii Shop Channel/1.0; en)"
Download update in question to disk.
Later when you get a Wii, run a local DNS server and reroute the DNS entry for the Wii shop channel to your local webserver with a page that contains the file.
Tell the Wii the DNS server is that one, open the Wii shop channel on the Wii, which should show your page and download that update.
In response to that. I can imagine a system that on registration to ask people to sign a file (that they have to download) with dynamically generated content, including a header that says something among the lines of "This is a file for www.blah.com sites" (so you can't trick people into signing that file from another site).
The certificates permitted to sign such a file would be ones like Thawte's web of trust.
That is how I imagine one could implement a rather reliable anti-anonymous system using existing systems that are out there.
Not really a useful idea.
Besides, it's slower (package management, admin tools, the same software I've ran on both OSes) and doesn't have a large repository (like Debian's) of software available on demand.Ian Murdock went to work for Sun, but I can't find any information on 'switching' the OSes he uses.
No hurry, though, as the Kubuntu Linux laptop I'm typing on is able to seamlessly connect.