Why would a person who wants to carry a weapon in public in the first place be so concerned about what other people think anyways?
Seems to me, they just want to avoid socially awkward situations.
In all honesty, it sounds to me like a contrived excuse for somebody who secretly wants to pretend they are James Bond or something. Which is pretty damn lame reason to be carrying a real gun.
I can think of far worse role models to emulate to be honest.
And, of course, it's up to everyone else to FTP massive amounts of data to you?
I think that for anyone that claims to have seen the data, it shouldn't be a problem to provide the data they've seen so I can come to a similar hypothesis instead of just relying on their comment
The obvious null hypothesis is that the scientists know what they're talking about
I have no idea if Javabandit is a scientist, all I see is him saying "I definitely understand the impact that global warming is having. I see the data. I know it is there." and for me to come to a similar conclusion, I should see the same data he's seen, no?
Data please, I know how to plot my own least squares regression trend graphs and how to account for anomalies in data etc.
All of the above climate info in the op is extremely basic.
I always ask for source data because then I understand what that conclusion is based on. I've done my own investigations into claims before and they've not held up to scrutinity and all I had were a few conclusions to go on. These days I can't be bothered to search out the data anymore.
And no the earth has never seen this rapid climate change except perhaps from extinction event impacts, basically the entire point of this article.
But... I didn't see anything in article about less money and energy has been spent on the entire history of climate research than a single year of the global shoe market or even a single year of a single popular sport?
I didn't see the article speak about what we critically need?
I didn't see how that article spoke about how many changes have been made as our understanding grows?
The world is filled with skeptics, nihilists, and ideologues. There is no point to these discussions anymore.
I'm open minded, I'm willing to accept another 'truth' if people can provide the source data, I don't push my own view on to others.
Basically, just opinions and fun facts. Scientists, climatologists, and the (minority of) people who believe in global warming need to just give up, already. You are not being listened to, anymore.
In a world where everyone gives you conclusions instead of data, it becomes hard to believe any one side.
I definitely understand the impact that global warming is having. I see the data. I know it is there.
Given there has been warming for 300 years, are you saying in the last 25 years, we have done something that really changes the climate?
I've been previously told there was unusual melting of ice at the poles. But I then checked the data directly, in the last ten years global temperatures have decreased 0.05 degrees. I know that from plotting the least squares regression trend using satellite data. It showed in the last decade, there had been no significant increase in temperature at all. Given that we haven't had any for the last decade and we've had cooling for the last 15 years, what data are you actually looking at?
When I look at data from say, the University if Illinois, which takes the arctic and antarctic ice movements and it plots a global sea ice extent, which shows no change in the last 35 years.
Every time I check the data instead of trusting conclusions, I find it's simply not true. Perhaps you could show me your data that shows otherwise?
I'm willing to listen, but I don't like reading just people's conclusions, I want to see an authority and how they came to that conclusion.
In no way am I denying the effects of CO2 in the lower atmosphere or the effects on ocean acidity, those are simple and obvious science facts. However, what should ring some alarm bells in your head is the fact less money and energy has been spent on the entire history of climate research than a single year of the global shoe market or even a single year of a single popular sport.
Source?
What we critically need are better scientific instruments both in space and here on earth to vastly improve our data for the computer models.
Source?
We need far far more bright and unfettered minds helping to work out what will likely happen on a regional basis.
Source?
If you have been following the research for the last 20-30 years what is extremely disturbing is how many changes have been made as our understanding grows, it is my personal opinion the error bars are not well defined in the models which, while likely accurate for what mechanisms they do model, leave out too many variables to be very reliable regionally and that is where a major push has been lately.
Source?
The real risk of climate change is the change part
I've used Mikrotik, but the reason why I use TP-link is because of cost. Buying the board, case, the relevant cards for the boards etc. racks up a price quickly. It is unfortunately more expensive than TP-link here.
No, that is not the problem. That is your problem.
No, it a general problem, because writing POSIX compliant code should work properly on anything that has a Unix certification that references a specific POSIX standard for a requirement of compliance.
As long as an OS behaves like Unix for all people who actually use that OS: it is Unix.
I'd argue that's Unix-like if it 'behaves like', but "is not Unix".
If you want to argue from a POSIX C programmer point of view, you should have made that ten posts earlier clear.
fork() is fork(). If fork() is broken, it doesn't matter if I am a programmer or a user at that point. If I am using something that expects to meet Unix certifications that include POSIX standards that require this, it's going to be broken.
Sorry, we hear your screems, but we are only Users!
I'm a user.
For that we have a standard C linrary... no idea why you don't use it.
fork() is mapped into the GNU standard C library (and many other Unix standard c libraries, including the one provided by installing xcode)... It's not particularly any more low level than using the C library?
By the way, I have Python scripts that use Python's natively provided fork function too. It's not even strictly used by low-level languages only.
The fact I spent enough time debugging the issue to identify the problem wasn't even the C library at fault doesn't make me stop being a user.
Mac OS X is based in FreeBSD
No... Mac OS X is based on a Mach micro kernel that has been extensively modified to become a hybrid kernel, there is a BSD subsystem that runs under the kernel to map Mach tasks, security policies and provide POSIX compatible APIs to the userland (this is pretty identical to how the Windows POSIX subsystem works) and then there are some BSD userland utilities that are linked against Apple's libc.
and as far as I can tell: this is Unix, too.
FreeBSD interestingly doesn't have the issues OS X does.
POSIX is by no means a definition for being Unix, or Windows NT and laters would ne Unix, too.
Unless Unix certification that allows you to call your product 'Unix' explicitly mentions which POSIX standards should be implemented, and in this case, the particular referenced POSIX standard mentions fork() behavior.
I respect you angel'o'sphere, but I genuinely do not agree OS X can be called a genuine Unix system if it doesn't meet the certification requirements (even if it holds one by passing a few select tests). I can turn a blind eye to a specific version, or a one off bug. But, I haven't even scratched the surface with issues. I only chose fork() because it's one of the simplest to explain, there are other issues I've seen with pthreads, unix sockets etc. It's a mess, I can call it Unix-like, but certainly not Unix.
I did speak to farmers in Antrim and Derry very recently where they kept their work within their family and friends and were doing alright apparently.
I did compare this to some farms from when I lived in Somerset a few years ago that did zero hour contracts with non-competes and a race to the bottom in hourly rates because of the over abundance of people willing to work despite the conditions.
How do the Lincolnshire farms compare to what I saw in Somerset? Are they doing zero-hour contracts with non-compete (ie: not allowed to work elsewhere) and race to the bottom in wages?
they say the brits apply for the jobs but when they learn they have to start at 5:00am, they are not seen again hence the heavy reliance on migrant workers.
I did hear a similar story from some of the Somerset farms that follow the practices I noted above, which is why I mentioned this.
the whiners are their own worst enemy.
I've met a fair few whiners that don't actually really want a job. But I have also met a lot of people who are, were and some still are in an unfortunate circumstance with being unable to find work (and I was too briefly, thank God for online contract work though -- I don't think I ever whined though).
I did learn that many of the issues were to do with mobility, making it a problem to move and with no fast and reasonably priced transportation is available, it becomes a very unfortunate situation.
At the moment, I'm not very concerned with the people who do sod all; I'm more interested in enabling people who want to work, to actually work.
when the Uk economy was crap in the 1970s, loads of brits went and found work in europe, now its time to return the favour.
I'm not old enough to remember things that went on in the 70s. That said, I do remember as a EU citizen being rejected in the 90s and early 2000s to live in some EU countries despite holding British and French passports (and I have lived at least half of my life outside of the UK) that were part of agreements. If I was to return the 'favour', it wouldn't be doing what I am suggesting right now, but a blatant 'no'. However, I'm not like that, I don't think we owe or they owe anything in particular, people should be treated with respect and sensible policies should be implemented.
The unskilled work is not being done by the native british after the war and it hasn't been since so they allowed in loads of people from the carribean to make up the shortfall.
I'm not seeing how the Australian point system is harmful, if the people are really necessary, they would get granted very easily access?
We have had all the same arguments when they came over and the again when we took in a lot of asians from uganda. Its not done us any harm.
... People can't find homes due to over population, NHS wait times for simple blood tests in some places are now months, government trying to curtail benefits due to overload of the system.
I'm not saying immigrants don't bring some benefits too, but claiming there is no harm... Britain cannot keep up with the population growth which is mostly due to the result of uncontrolled migration and you say 'not done us any harm', are you really serious?
My believe is, that running a bash script with out any changes on a system makes it a unix system.
So any operating system that offers 'bash' by default is a unix system? That's honestly a bit ridiculous.
When you want to nitpick about fork versus exec versus both I suggest to take another course in 'portable programming for unix systems in C"
It's not a 'nitpick' it's standardisation that Unix certifications point to is the standard for 'Unix'.
My Mac has a a 'unix like' file system.
Wasn't something I argued.
My Mac has a standard command set installed like any othe Unix system.
I couldn't careless if I had to get the userland from a 3rd party. The problem is the kernel is not following Unix standards. The fact the userland applications have been patched (and yes, some of them have been) for specific nuances in OS X's implementation is ridiculous.
My Mac runs for me just like Sparcs or the Linux boxes I work on. Or AIX for that matter.
I have no idea how those are working out for you. Can't say I've used Solaris on a Sparc in a decade now and I haven't used AIX at a company since I last ported a bunch of software off it over a decade ago to x86 systems (code compiled and worked properly on the popular BSDs, Linux, Solaris, Windows Services for Unix at the time - Department was having a hard time making OS decisions, so I went the portable route). In short my experience here is not recent any more.
It does utterly not run like a windows system.
I have no idea how that works out for you either. But I am using still mainstream supported Windows operating systems (8.1, 2012 R2, 10), I'm afraid your description is too vague and as such, it eludes distinctly to know what you mean exactly by what is good or bad about them.
Old school Unix always needed fork + excec.
And yet, software LyX (originally released in 1995), despite following the POSIX standards in this matter never needed to make a workaround in Unix and Unix-like platforms until OS X.
I can copy 100ds of GB on my Macs just fine
There is a reason why Apple (after I reported the issue years ago) decided to break fcntl's F_PREALLOCATE (ported applications appear to work without causing the system to hang!) and then force you use alternatives like posix_fallocate/FSAllocateFork to actually do what you ask it to do (where the issue wasn't actually solved). There is a reason why so many apps in macports, darwinports etc. segfault and while sometimes it was due to violating POSIX standards, more often it wasn't and instead a behaviour that was violating the POSIX standards. I spent a lot of time debugging this crap.
I can copy 100ds of GB on my Macs just fine, except for the expected slow down because of other disk access the Mac itself just runs fine
I'm talking about writing blocks that apparently block I/O and you're going on about something that is likely not exhibiting that behaviour. It's not simply just copying/downloading a file, it's to do with writing large blocks to disk that then block other I/O disk operations (which in turn causes those applications to lock up until the request is fulfilled), regardless of how small they are which is very noticeable on HDDs.
Honestly, your response to me comes off as a deflection at this point.
Kernel breakage against the specifications that build up Unix certification for years on end for what is considered 'fundamental' features of Unix is ridiculous, you can't and shouldn't even try to defend that as OS X being Unix under that guise.
"An immediate issue would be restrictions on travel" What are they talking about? Being in EU is not a requirement to be part of the Schengen Area, see Norway.
You can find more information on the specifics here. In short summary, yes, there is an issue.
I will just say that the UK is becoming less attractive for "continental" Europeans, and I think the UK economy will be hurt if it leaves the EU
I think the UK economy will certain suffer when any sort of major change like this takes place in the short term. However, looking at Iceland being able to get EU free trade while maintaining it's sovereignty leads me to believe that the UK doesn't exactly have much to fear economically. If Iceland can have free trade with the EU, China etc. I don't see what stops the UK from having the same. I certainly think the UK has more influence than Iceland for a variety of reasons.
, but at the same time other countries, like Ireland, France and Germany, suddenly become more attractive.
Attractive for what? The only notable non-UK businesses I can see in the UK are ones that have had their primary EU headquarters incorporated in Ireland for what everyone commonly believes to be for tax evasion purposes (not sure about the state of telecommunication carriers, they're always merging, buying out and stuff).
Perhaps you could share some data?
I would definitely be interested in any data you've got that shows that the UK couldn't do what Iceland did.
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Seems to me, they just want to avoid socially awkward situations.
I can think of far worse role models to emulate to be honest.
Is this a copy-paste from 2008?
One was cited on the first sentence of the article...
I think that for anyone that claims to have seen the data, it shouldn't be a problem to provide the data they've seen so I can come to a similar hypothesis instead of just relying on their comment
I have no idea if Javabandit is a scientist, all I see is him saying "I definitely understand the impact that global warming is having. I see the data. I know it is there." and for me to come to a similar conclusion, I should see the same data he's seen, no?
I should also add, that it was on a completely different thread that wasn't even referring to the points I am talking about here.
They didn't answer the specifics things I asked for which I clarified in a follow up post.
I don't have it, yet again.
What data? I don't have it.
Data please, I know how to plot my own least squares regression trend graphs and how to account for anomalies in data etc.
I always ask for source data because then I understand what that conclusion is based on. I've done my own investigations into claims before and they've not held up to scrutinity and all I had were a few conclusions to go on. These days I can't be bothered to search out the data anymore.
But... I didn't see anything in article about less money and energy has been spent on the entire history of climate research than a single year of the global shoe market or even a single year of a single popular sport?
I didn't see the article speak about what we critically need?
I didn't see how that article spoke about how many changes have been made as our understanding grows?
I'm open minded, I'm willing to accept another 'truth' if people can provide the source data, I don't push my own view on to others.
In a world where everyone gives you conclusions instead of data, it becomes hard to believe any one side.
Given there has been warming for 300 years, are you saying in the last 25 years, we have done something that really changes the climate?
I've been previously told there was unusual melting of ice at the poles. But I then checked the data directly, in the last ten years global temperatures have decreased 0.05 degrees. I know that from plotting the least squares regression trend using satellite data. It showed in the last decade, there had been no significant increase in temperature at all. Given that we haven't had any for the last decade and we've had cooling for the last 15 years, what data are you actually looking at?
When I look at data from say, the University if Illinois, which takes the arctic and antarctic ice movements and it plots a global sea ice extent, which shows no change in the last 35 years.
Every time I check the data instead of trusting conclusions, I find it's simply not true. Perhaps you could show me your data that shows otherwise?
I'm willing to listen, but I don't like reading just people's conclusions, I want to see an authority and how they came to that conclusion.
Source?
Source?
Source?
Source?
Hasn't Earth always had climate change?
I've never needed a code of conduct on an open source project before... Honestly, sounds like they're drama prone.
I've used Mikrotik, but the reason why I use TP-link is because of cost. Buying the board, case, the relevant cards for the boards etc. racks up a price quickly. It is unfortunately more expensive than TP-link here.
You're right, I think I read your comment out of context. My bad.
No, it a general problem, because writing POSIX compliant code should work properly on anything that has a Unix certification that references a specific POSIX standard for a requirement of compliance.
I'd argue that's Unix-like if it 'behaves like', but "is not Unix".
fork() is fork(). If fork() is broken, it doesn't matter if I am a programmer or a user at that point. If I am using something that expects to meet Unix certifications that include POSIX standards that require this, it's going to be broken.
I'm a user.
fork() is mapped into the GNU standard C library (and many other Unix standard c libraries, including the one provided by installing xcode)... It's not particularly any more low level than using the C library?
By the way, I have Python scripts that use Python's natively provided fork function too. It's not even strictly used by low-level languages only.
The fact I spent enough time debugging the issue to identify the problem wasn't even the C library at fault doesn't make me stop being a user.
No... Mac OS X is based on a Mach micro kernel that has been extensively modified to become a hybrid kernel, there is a BSD subsystem that runs under the kernel to map Mach tasks, security policies and provide POSIX compatible APIs to the userland (this is pretty identical to how the Windows POSIX subsystem works) and then there are some BSD userland utilities that are linked against Apple's libc.
FreeBSD interestingly doesn't have the issues OS X does.
Unless Unix certification that allows you to call your product 'Unix' explicitly mentions which POSIX standards should be implemented, and in this case, the particular referenced POSIX standard mentions fork() behavior.
I respect you angel'o'sphere, but I genuinely do not agree OS X can be called a genuine Unix system if it doesn't meet the certification requirements (even if it holds one by passing a few select tests). I can turn a blind eye to a specific version, or a one off bug. But, I haven't even scratched the surface with issues. I only chose fork() because it's one of the simplest to explain, there are other issues I've seen with pthreads, unix sockets etc. It's a mess, I can call it Unix-like, but certainly not Unix.
I've seen very varied circumstances in the UK...
I did speak to farmers in Antrim and Derry very recently where they kept their work within their family and friends and were doing alright apparently.
I did compare this to some farms from when I lived in Somerset a few years ago that did zero hour contracts with non-competes and a race to the bottom in hourly rates because of the over abundance of people willing to work despite the conditions.
How do the Lincolnshire farms compare to what I saw in Somerset? Are they doing zero-hour contracts with non-compete (ie: not allowed to work elsewhere) and race to the bottom in wages?
I did hear a similar story from some of the Somerset farms that follow the practices I noted above, which is why I mentioned this.
I've met a fair few whiners that don't actually really want a job. But I have also met a lot of people who are, were and some still are in an unfortunate circumstance with being unable to find work (and I was too briefly, thank God for online contract work though -- I don't think I ever whined though).
I did learn that many of the issues were to do with mobility, making it a problem to move and with no fast and reasonably priced transportation is available, it becomes a very unfortunate situation.
At the moment, I'm not very concerned with the people who do sod all; I'm more interested in enabling people who want to work, to actually work.
I'm not old enough to remember things that went on in the 70s. That said, I do remember as a EU citizen being rejected in the 90s and early 2000s to live in some EU countries despite holding British and French passports (and I have lived at least half of my life outside of the UK) that were part of agreements. If I was to return the 'favour', it wouldn't be doing what I am suggesting right now, but a blatant 'no'. However, I'm not like that, I don't think we owe or they owe anything in particular, people should be treated with respect and sensible policies should be implemented.
I'm not seeing how the Australian point system is harmful, if the people are really necessary, they would get granted very easily access?
... People can't find homes due to over population, NHS wait times for simple blood tests in some places are now months, government trying to curtail benefits due to overload of the system.
I'm not saying immigrants don't bring some benefits too, but claiming there is no harm... Britain cannot keep up with the population growth which is mostly due to the result of uncontrolled migration and you say 'not done us any harm', are you really serious?
Maybe you could provide better specifics on this matter?
Such as?
I'd like to see what's just as affordable alternatives that does what you say.
So any operating system that offers 'bash' by default is a unix system? That's honestly a bit ridiculous.
It's not a 'nitpick' it's standardisation that Unix certifications point to is the standard for 'Unix'.
Wasn't something I argued.
I couldn't careless if I had to get the userland from a 3rd party. The problem is the kernel is not following Unix standards. The fact the userland applications have been patched (and yes, some of them have been) for specific nuances in OS X's implementation is ridiculous.
I have no idea how those are working out for you. Can't say I've used Solaris on a Sparc in a decade now and I haven't used AIX at a company since I last ported a bunch of software off it over a decade ago to x86 systems (code compiled and worked properly on the popular BSDs, Linux, Solaris, Windows Services for Unix at the time - Department was having a hard time making OS decisions, so I went the portable route). In short my experience here is not recent any more.
I have no idea how that works out for you either. But I am using still mainstream supported Windows operating systems (8.1, 2012 R2, 10), I'm afraid your description is too vague and as such, it eludes distinctly to know what you mean exactly by what is good or bad about them.
And yet, software LyX (originally released in 1995), despite following the POSIX standards in this matter never needed to make a workaround in Unix and Unix-like platforms until OS X.
There is a reason why Apple (after I reported the issue years ago) decided to break fcntl's F_PREALLOCATE (ported applications appear to work without causing the system to hang!) and then force you use alternatives like posix_fallocate/FSAllocateFork to actually do what you ask it to do (where the issue wasn't actually solved). There is a reason why so many apps in macports, darwinports etc. segfault and while sometimes it was due to violating POSIX standards, more often it wasn't and instead a behaviour that was violating the POSIX standards. I spent a lot of time debugging this crap.
I'm talking about writing blocks that apparently block I/O and you're going on about something that is likely not exhibiting that behaviour. It's not simply just copying/downloading a file, it's to do with writing large blocks to disk that then block other I/O disk operations (which in turn causes those applications to lock up until the request is fulfilled), regardless of how small they are which is very noticeable on HDDs.
Honestly, your response to me comes off as a deflection at this point.
Kernel breakage against the specifications that build up Unix certification for years on end for what is considered 'fundamental' features of Unix is ridiculous, you can't and shouldn't even try to defend that as OS X being Unix under that guise.
What if the infrastructure already exists locally?
You can find more information on the specifics here. In short summary, yes, there is an issue.
I think the UK economy will certain suffer when any sort of major change like this takes place in the short term. However, looking at Iceland being able to get EU free trade while maintaining it's sovereignty leads me to believe that the UK doesn't exactly have much to fear economically. If Iceland can have free trade with the EU, China etc. I don't see what stops the UK from having the same. I certainly think the UK has more influence than Iceland for a variety of reasons.
Attractive for what? The only notable non-UK businesses I can see in the UK are ones that have had their primary EU headquarters incorporated in Ireland for what everyone commonly believes to be for tax evasion purposes (not sure about the state of telecommunication carriers, they're always merging, buying out and stuff).
Perhaps you could share some data?
I would definitely be interested in any data you've got that shows that the UK couldn't do what Iceland did.
The UK won't adopt Schengen because they want to maintain internal border controls.
The UK already has done.
They should do that for everyone equally, Schengen would bypass that.
They're less keen new than they were previously...
Do you think the Greeks are enjoying it?