It's one thing to be a skeptic when asked to accept as fact for which solid proof is lacking. But it's something else entirely to completely overlook the obvious in order to deny the intuitive, gut-level suspicion that solid proof may not be absolutely necessary. Forget the Evolution-vs-ID argument for a second and focus on climate change and warming only: 100 years of unfettered industrialization, 100 years of unrestrained population growth, 100 years of dumping our contaminants in our own back yard; now that's a FACT. Look at the current state of our reefs, or the complete depletion of ocean stock (90% by some accounts), or the rapidly melting perma-frost, or hell, take a look at LA on a 'good' day.
Empirical evidence alone should be enough to convince even the most dense among us that humankind has had the unique priviledge of laying waste to that which is most dear. If there is a God, i suspect that they are un-pleased that we carry on this tiresome debate instead of getting w/the program. And if there is not a God, then we're left to our own device and truly screwed.
It's not the wrong people in the WH, tho it makes the symptoms more apparent. It is a totally borked System which is skewed to favor a very small trans-national minority who live by push-capitalism and turning anyone not like them into mega consumers.
They do this thru media control, propaganda, and manufactured consent. What is most troubling is that these people represent the 'best-n-brightest', the most highly educated and certainly best informed. So, one can only deduce that the 'way things are' is not due to the "whoops, my bad", or "gee, we didn't know" factor, but is by design and purely intentional. (like purposefully de-stablizing a country while complaining how they are corrupt and cant get their act together).
We are now spending all our time absorbed with re-hashing past crimes instead of focusing on the more looming horizon: That U.S. citizens are pitifully unawares as to exactly how BAD things really are. The Elites know and have been preparing their exit strategies by buying up all the lifeboats to move to their gated-kingdoms, protected by their private armies.
When the reality sinks in, after all the horses have left the barn (carrying all the gold no less) , "We the People" are in for a big surprise! And for joe6pack - it won't make an iota worth of difference if he voted for Bush again, and yet again. Joe will be in the same pile of shit with everyone else.
any ragtag group of "freedom fighters" will never tactically defeat our military in any offensive. But it can win the war on both psychological and political grounds. Tho our armed forces only represent 1% of the civilian population, they are funded by that larger group. Many would possibly hesitate pulling the trigger on fellow americans; and those who do will hasten their own demise.
What i find specially insidious is that Washington pushed a constitution and a government on Iraq in it's haste to close privatied oil deals. Now D.C. conveniently divests itself of responsibility for its role by expecting the Iraqi army to succeed where our own, vastly better trained and equipped, forces have failed. Worse, which could never succeed w/out the use of mercs, massive detentions and wide-scale human-rights abuses.
This is what we would have in store domestically if the military, or its merc proxies, were ever called into deployment here@home.
"The question is NOT whether or not we COULD take back our government, it's a question of whether or not people will a) be willing to lay down their life for their liberty as they once did..."
Spot on! Specially if our overlords are preparing for that day, triggered by another false-flag event which puts us under the domestic 'disaster capitalism' plan (ala massive devaluation) waiting in the wings.
If enough people could at least be compelled enough to get out and, like s.korea, japan, our southern neighbors, et. al., protest long and hard enough to overwhelm and clog the system, then maybe, just maybe, it wont come to that and can be averted. But it would require the participation of Labor, of Churches, of Academia, and the people who have a hard time turning off american-idol.
But if the MSM pundits are all singing mea-culpa for missing the facts from 2002-2006, then they're really gonna get caught w/their pants down this time around! Sadder still is the reality that most americans are woefully un-informed as to the sorry condition of what they feel sustains them.
I firmly believe that you cannot effectively change a system from the outside. As the 60's demonstrated, you can end one's involvement in
a war, but business as usual marches on.. to Chile, to Indonesia, to Central America. Far enough out of the mainstream public eye, but containing the seeds of blow-back that haunt us to this day.
And changing the system from w/in means not addressing just the merits of some war-du-jour, but broad human rights and social justice reforms that many in the Establishment will fight tooth-n-nail to prevent.
Ironic that the past and current enemies of our State are showing
us and the world the most effective methodologies of fighting off the Evil Empire, if it does come to that. IED's anyone?
http://www.vtinfragard.org/ If even that failed to satisfy your curiosity, you might consider joining the Vermont chapter of InfraGard, a nonprofit organization with a n unusual charter: to help the Federal Bureau of Investigation keep an eye on the infrastructure systems that are most vital to American li fe and the economy.
How about a system of personal blacklists/whitelists? All users outbound mail RCPTs would be whitelisted by default. Any mail received that is not on their whitelist would be blacklisted,
but kept temporarily in the mqueue. When a user checks their mail, the server would send them a notice that an unknown email from: is pending their approval. The enduser then replys to postmaster with: accept , in which case its removed from the blacklist and cleared in the mqueue reject , in which case its deleted and permanently blacklisted I realize that this would add an extra step for the enduser when getting mail from someone unknown to their MX, forcing them to go thru a 2-step process of clearing an unknown 'sender' on their MX.
and that personal blacklists would add overhead to the MTA
Also, any mail submitted by some user on a remote server (say through a form on a website) would have to accomodate this new schema by first requesting to be whitelisted before actually sending the actual reply to that formmail. And there may be other considerations that i'm missing, but its just a thought.
This may turn out to be overly simplistic and your criticisms are invited.
How about a system of personal blacklists/whitelists? All users outbound mail RCPTs would be whitelisted by default. Any mail received that is not on their whitelist would be blacklisted,
but kept temporarily in the mqueue. When a user checks their mail, the server would send them a notice that an unknown email from: is pending their approval. The enduser then replys to postmaster with: accept , in which case its removed from the blacklist and cleared in the mqueue reject , in which case its deleted and permanently blacklisted
I realize that this would add an extra step for the enduser when getting mail from someone unknown to their MX, forcing them to go thru a 2-step process of clearing an unknown 'sender' on their MX.
and that personal blacklists would add overhead to the MTA
Also, any mail submitted by some user on a remote server (say through a form on a website) would have to accomodate this new schema by first requesting to be whitelisted before actually sending the actual reply to that formmail. And there may be other considerations that i'm missing, but its just a thought.
( x) technical ( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
"Libs vote for candidates who make them feel good. Consrvs vote for candidates who will solve problems we face."
You're kidding? Right? Honestly, I dont know what a conservative voter is any more; other than someone equally gullible, fearful of that degenerate, angry, strange world beyond their gated community which, in their ignorance and desire for more,more,more they helped to create and are equally eager to invade and sack.
Conservative. Would that be fiscally? Environmentally? Sorry, dont see it. To me that quacking waddling duck is just a stingy, greeedy 'i got mine, screw you' hypocrite cruising along in their armored hummerV.
The only difference i see is Libs are at least more open-minded to change and tolerant of diversity. And, if there's any room of irony, blue-collar conservs suffer from the same delusion as their conservative evangels; Thinking that the Elite establishment serves their interests. Talk about suckers!
Maybe its all in the Meyers Briggs type, buy i think it's more accurate to say consrvs vote for candidates who ignore/deny the problems long enough to pass them off to someone else's watch. FWIW, it's called generational terrorism.
"That's the idea anyway, saying it's for targeted advertising sounds quite paranoid to me."
I would imagine it's more a ? of whether the paranoia is rational or not.
Consider that 2 years ago GWB claimed that the.gov was spying only on international calls originating outside the U.S. Then we find out that it was bi-directional. Then we find out (as the paranoid suspected all along) that the bag-on-the-side at the telco is/was/always-has-been datamining domestically. Combined with what we know of.gov sharing their information w/the likes of Infragard, State and Local LEA, tracking quakers, librarians, anti-war activists and other dissident citizens, the firings in the Atty Gen. Office, 'detaining' ethnic citizens of suspect origins, the scare tactics used to keep anyone from defending them........
Oh happy day, Deep Packet Inspection, How could that possibly be mis-used?
"How can the government and ISPs keep up with the computational resources"
They'll do just what most bigger ISP's (telco's) have done: let their friendly DHS/NSA add a little room at their data center.
Cull through YRO and its apparent that.gov shares info with.biz and.biz returns the favor. Now, the advertisers found a way to get their fingers into the pie.
And will someone please post more stories on the infamy that is Infragard!
Well said. I haven't finished reading all the threads, but i'm curious how this is different from the/. post on BT and PHORM It seems to like they are doing the same thing, just under a different company name.
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So, datamining, sharing the information, encouraging wholesale spying on the angry unwashed, not the stuff of conspiracy theory, but happening in real-time. And, i'd bet, that most of the people who know about it and dissent are bound by law (yea, right) or national security impositions to have them effectively gagged.
Listen, keep fighting the good fight! You've apparently passed thru the 'bubble of no return':)
I remember someone asking me at a demonstration in D.C. "how do you know when to get involved?" My answer was when it becomes compelling enough that cannot be ignored. When one cannot stop themselves from getting their feet wet and jumping into the fray.
We're all 'little guys' here. And ppl who man hotlines may not be well informed. Instead of thinking how the ACLU can assist you consider how you can assist them.
Now that you've gotten self-involved you've taken the 1st big step. Kudos
For your viewing enjoyment (i hope) - an earlier post of mine to a different thread, which reinforces your points on the 'personhood' of corporations and more:
OK, you got me there. I suspect we're bird-of-a-feather and feel the same way. I've been railing against the System since forever (@least it feels that way of late) . What i meant was just as you point out: that its been borked for over 40 years, if not since the onset of the industrial 'revolution' in the late 1800's. I just think it took things getting as bad as they are to get enough people to finally recognize it; to see how co-opted they became thru the belief that the Elites' interests were theirs as well (sorta like the evangels believing in republican jingoisms' on "family values")
Where it goes from here is anybody's guess, but i wouldn't rule out martial law and totalitarianism just yet.
I get the impression that altho it's been around for a number of years now,its secretive nature is only recently getting exposure. You "could" mod my post up so to increase its 'eyeball' factor. But more important, and i wish i wrote it down when i heard it; earlier this week i read somewhere that the DHS/FBI is sharing its wiretap info (on us) with the businesses community @large. Combine that w/programs like TIPs and soon we'll all be turning on one another as per the master plan:(
Scott Ritter came to the local State College here 4 days ago and said exactly the same thing. His message kinda turned folks off a bit. Like many weren't ready to hear that it actually took personal involvement,
But the one thing I found revealing in his talk was that focus was exclusively related to ending the war.
The only reason mass-protest worked in the 60's is that it became violent enough to catch the attention of the MSM. These days, even tho millions around the world may gather in solidarity it never got any attention. So where i used to be of the mind that protest meant being ready to get arrested to swamp the system, i now doubt its utility. Additionally, I doubt that ending the war is the banner from which to rally people; Because war is a manifestation of larger social issues, I much prefer "Peace-n-Justice", which continues on after the shooting stops and troops come home.
After all the brusises and pains of doing 60's thing, I've come to believe that one cannot change the system from the outside. Sally just changes her name and her game lives on. Where B.Obama is not my 1st choice, he may represent the best chance (w/out betraying the ppl who put him into power - ala LBJ) for effecting change from the inside.
Dissent is a personal endeavor, conducted among neighbors and communitites, often out of the limelight and gets reflected at the voting box. Now, when the voting booth gets taken away, that's another story entirely.
=> abolish nukes world-wide, starting here at home => revoke 'personhood' from corporations - as it was never intended => revoke 'special' status for the Southern States => implement IRV - so as to let ppl vote w/their hopes instead of fears => make peace w/our southern neighbors, reconcilation as it were for our
military/economic transgresses, thru new green-tech initiatives for mutual
prosperity => use above as integral to a new energy policy that lets us (US) extract ourselves
from the mid-east entirely, letting them solve their own problems under their
own steam.
There's more, but FWIW, i've gotten so frustrated and angry over the past 8-20 years that i've decided to start my own party. So far, a party of 1. I'm calling it the "Surprise Party" and am using my points above as the beginning of a national platform that the State chapters (starting with vt.surpriseparty.us) can integrate w/their local issues.
My premise is based on the fact that US 2-party politics has devolved into the incessant quest for that elusive 'middle-ground' between right-n-left; and turned politics into a race to the bottom. And that true change starts at the community level and percolates up to changing State govt. Multiply 50X and maybe, maybe, we can spare ourselves from the comming shit-storm.
I believe, in actuality, the extremes of each party (libertarians, greens, progressives, anarchos, evangels) have more in common with one another than the mainstream counterparts. So already the extremes are doing an end-run on the status-quo: comming together from the opposite direction and closing the loop (as it were).
So, the surpriseparty is where i can try and put that hypothesis to the test of finding a new and improved common ground.
And neither were the Harlan County Coal mine strikes to evict the overlords from from Kentucky. Whenever I watch that documentary I take pride seeing everyday moms-n-dads holding their shotguns next to their pickup's and standing up to the Man. (e.g. the personhood of the corporation)
These are the people we need to convince in order to restore country greatness, once their eyes are opened to the fact that their backyard is all of the USSA.
Fact is, politics, economy, health-care, et.al, is so woven together that one area cannot be rectified w/out addressing all the others. And in the end it boils down to labor: how working people are percieved and used by the system. The transformation of capitalism into hyper-consumerism and it's dependency on over-production to sustain itself has a direct correllation on the quality of life it's workers enjoy (or not). Pity organized Labor is in such a sorry state.
The Civil Rights Bill and a "Great Society" came at the price of the assassination of its most visible sympathizers. And ever since the passage of the Civil Rights Bill, the Right wingers have been undercutting and disenfranchising minorities at every turn.
The govt blinked after the Watts riots, the Chicago 7, the rising up of angry namvets tired of being fodder. And as soon as they 'vietnamized' their whole mess, It was business-as-usual: Flooding Inner cities w/cheap heroin, military adventurism in Indoniesia, Chile, Latin America. Look at the laws passed and you'd have to conclude the dis-enfranchisement wheels that now have criminalized the (mostly non-white) underclass were set in motion. and are the focus of most of the problems we face today.
And some of us here in this little State are trying to secceed from the US as well! Vermont has been standing up to Texas neo-cons for 8 years and so many folks here are frustrated that they have to place to vent their anger at what's been taking place that they want out entirely. And make a pretty convincing arg for it. Disclaimer: Since TX is also home to great people like BMoyers, JHightower, MIvans, maybe it's not Texans per se, just the Elite posers from the NorthEast who moved to TX and co-opted their State Govt.
I.E. Apr 3, 2007... The independent republic of Vermont.
South Carolina's not the only state with citizens who talk seccession.
As we see in this story the list... news.greenvilleonline.com/blogs/brooks/2007/04/the_independent_republic_of_ve.html
Worth noting also, if mem serves correctly, is that drumsfield is principal shareholder of the company that owns patents to the antidotes and got the US govt to contract w/his company for $1B worth, exclusively. Pretty good deal::get into govt:start a terror war:profit!
Now, combine your warranted suspicions with a google search on "DHS FBI infragard" AKA "how DHS is using a select group of loyal priv'd businessesmen to spy on citizens thru a local chapter near you".
"The FBI retained InfraGard as an FBI sponsored program, and will work with DHS in support of its CIP mission, facilitate InfraGard's continuing role in CIP... www.infragard.net/about.php?mn=1&sm=1-0 Feb 7, 2008... The FBI Deputizes Business. by Matthew Rothschild... In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU.... www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/07/6918/ "Feb 7, 2008... "InfraGard is not readily accessible to the general public. Its communications with the FBI and Homeland Security are beyond the reach of... blog.progressivedem.com/2008/02/07/us-citizens-under-surveilence-by-infraguard.aspx -
Or you could look for a bright side and thank them for helping us all see just how borked the System really is and giving us something to talk and act on for the next 2-3 election cycles:)
that dollar bill sitting in your wallet is worth exactly.04 cents There have been plenty of documentaries of late exposing the charade that has been perpetuated on US citizens by the Fed, the sovereigns and wall street regarding the looting of our treasury by the hands of privateers. And what, pray tell, are they up to now? Why, printing ever more money to bail out the bankers and institutional investors. We've, citizens, have been duped into perceiving that that dollar bill is the actual money, rather than just a 'representation' of money. I suspect that we're also going to be in serious sticker shock when the bills comes due for the Feds excesses. I, like anyone, watched the market skyrocket over last summer, amidst war, foreclosure, and a looming recession. What did Bernanke (sp?) say to the public in the Fall? "Hey we're great, good to go". Kinda reminiscent of what the CEO of BS said 36 hours before the fall. IMHO, they should all be run out of town
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It's one thing to be a skeptic when asked to accept as fact for which solid proof is lacking.
But it's something else entirely to completely overlook the obvious in order to deny the intuitive, gut-level suspicion that solid proof may not be absolutely necessary.
Forget the Evolution-vs-ID argument for a second and focus on climate change and warming only:
100 years of unfettered industrialization, 100 years of unrestrained population growth, 100 years of dumping our contaminants in our own back yard; now that's a FACT.
Look at the current state of our reefs, or the complete depletion of ocean stock (90% by some accounts), or the rapidly melting perma-frost,
or hell, take a look at LA on a 'good' day.
Empirical evidence alone should be enough to convince even the most dense among us that humankind has had the unique priviledge of laying waste to that which is most dear. If there is a God, i suspect that they are un-pleased that we carry on this tiresome debate instead of getting w/the program. And if there is not a God, then we're left to our own device and truly screwed.
Hi Doc:
Can you tell me what relation, if any, might exist between suspension of Habeas Corpus and the suspension of the Posse Comitatus Act?
Would the combination of the two effectively suborn Law Enforcement Officials to the Military?
It's not the wrong people in the WH, tho it makes the symptoms more apparent. It is a totally borked System which is skewed to favor a very small trans-national minority who live by push-capitalism and turning anyone not like them into mega consumers.
They do this thru media control, propaganda, and manufactured consent. What is most troubling is that these people represent the 'best-n-brightest', the most highly educated and certainly best informed. So, one can only deduce that the 'way things are' is not due to the "whoops, my bad", or "gee, we didn't know" factor, but is by design and purely intentional.
(like purposefully de-stablizing a country while
complaining how they are corrupt and cant get their act together).
We are now spending all our time absorbed with re-hashing past crimes instead of focusing on the more looming horizon:
That U.S. citizens are pitifully unawares as to
exactly how BAD things really are. The Elites
know and have been preparing their exit strategies by buying up all the lifeboats to move to their gated-kingdoms, protected by their private armies.
When the reality sinks in, after all the horses have left the barn (carrying all the gold no less) , "We the People" are in for a big surprise! And
for joe6pack - it won't make an iota worth of difference if he voted for Bush again, and yet again. Joe will be in the same pile of shit with everyone else.
any ragtag group of "freedom fighters" will never tactically defeat our military in any offensive.
But it can win the war on both psychological and political grounds. Tho our armed forces only
represent 1% of the civilian population, they
are funded by that larger group. Many would
possibly hesitate pulling the trigger on fellow
americans; and those who do will hasten their
own demise.
What i find specially insidious is that Washington
pushed a constitution and a government on Iraq in
it's haste to close privatied oil deals.
Now D.C. conveniently divests itself of responsibility for its role by expecting the Iraqi army to succeed where our own, vastly better trained and equipped, forces have failed.
Worse, which could never succeed w/out the use of mercs, massive detentions and wide-scale human-rights abuses.
This is what we would have in store domestically if the military, or its merc proxies, were ever called into deployment here@home.
"The question is NOT whether or not we COULD take back our government, it's a question of whether or not people will a) be willing to lay down their life for their liberty as they once did..."
Spot on! Specially if our overlords are preparing for that day, triggered by another false-flag event which puts us under the domestic 'disaster capitalism' plan (ala massive devaluation) waiting in the wings.
If enough people could at least be compelled enough to get out and, like s.korea, japan, our southern neighbors, et. al., protest long and hard enough to overwhelm and clog the system, then
maybe, just maybe, it wont come to that and can be averted. But it would require the participation
of Labor, of Churches, of Academia, and the people who have a hard time turning off american-idol.
But if the MSM pundits are all singing mea-culpa for missing the facts
from 2002-2006, then they're really gonna get caught w/their
pants down this time around! Sadder still is the reality that
most americans are woefully un-informed as to the sorry condition
of what they feel sustains them.
I firmly believe that you cannot effectively change a system from
the outside. As the 60's demonstrated, you can end one's involvement in
a war, but business as usual marches on.. to Chile, to Indonesia,
to Central America. Far enough out of the mainstream public eye,
but containing the seeds of blow-back that haunt us to this day.
And changing the system from w/in means not addressing just
the merits of some war-du-jour, but broad human rights and social justice reforms that many
in the Establishment will fight tooth-n-nail to prevent.
Ironic that the past and current enemies of our State are showing
us and the world the most effective methodologies of fighting
off the Evil Empire, if it does come to that. IED's anyone?
in case you havent been reading the news for the last 6 years, its called
infragard. You can start here:
http://www.7dvt.com/2008/nerds-wire
Vermont Infragard is watching our backs in the war on cyber-crime. Who's watching them?
http://www.vtinfragard.org/
If even that failed to satisfy your curiosity, you might consider joining the Vermont chapter of InfraGard, a nonprofit organization with a
n unusual charter: to help the Federal Bureau of Investigation keep an eye on the infrastructure systems that are most vital to American li
fe and the economy.
Hi: would you be willing to share your rules?
I posted something similiar a few minutes ago, but maybe what you are doing would
suffice.
My Post:
How about an invite only SMTP system?
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=515944&cid=23025878
How about a system of personal blacklists/whitelists?
All users outbound mail RCPTs would be whitelisted by default.
Any mail received that is not on their whitelist would be blacklisted,
but kept temporarily in the mqueue.
When a user checks their mail, the server would send them a notice that an
unknown email from: is pending their approval.
The enduser then replys to postmaster with:
accept , in which case its removed from the blacklist and cleared in the mqueue
reject , in which case its deleted and permanently blacklisted
I realize that this would add an extra step for the enduser when getting mail from
someone unknown to their MX, forcing them to go thru
a 2-step process of clearing an unknown 'sender' on their MX.
and that personal blacklists would add overhead to the MTA
Also, any mail submitted by some user on a remote server (say through a form on a website)
would have to accomodate this new schema by first requesting to be whitelisted before
actually sending the actual reply to that formmail.
And there may be other considerations that i'm missing, but its just a thought.
Hi SlashGang:
This may turn out to be overly simplistic and your criticisms are invited.
How about a system of personal blacklists/whitelists?
All users outbound mail RCPTs would be whitelisted by default.
Any mail received that is not on their whitelist would be blacklisted,
but kept temporarily in the mqueue.
When a user checks their mail, the server would send them a notice that an
unknown email from: is pending their approval.
The enduser then replys to postmaster with:
accept , in which case its removed from the blacklist and cleared in the mqueue
reject , in which case its deleted and permanently blacklisted
I realize that this would add an extra step for the enduser when getting mail from
someone unknown to their MX, forcing them to go thru
a 2-step process of clearing an unknown 'sender' on their MX.
and that personal blacklists would add overhead to the MTA
Also, any mail submitted by some user on a remote server (say through a form on a website)
would have to accomodate this new schema by first requesting to be whitelisted before
actually sending the actual reply to that formmail.
And there may be other considerations that i'm missing, but its just a thought.
( x) technical
( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
"Libs vote for candidates who make them feel good. Consrvs vote for candidates who will solve problems we face."
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You're kidding? Right? Honestly, I dont know what a conservative voter is
any more; other than someone equally gullible, fearful of that degenerate,
angry, strange world beyond their gated community which, in their ignorance
and desire for more,more,more they helped to create and are equally eager to
invade and sack.
Conservative. Would that be fiscally? Environmentally? Sorry, dont see it.
To me that quacking waddling duck is just a stingy, greeedy 'i got mine,
screw you' hypocrite cruising along in their armored hummerV.
The only difference i see is Libs are at least more open-minded to
change and tolerant of diversity. And, if there's any room of irony,
blue-collar conservs suffer from the same delusion as their conservative evangels; Thinking that the Elite establishment serves their interests.
Talk about suckers!
Maybe its all in the Meyers Briggs type, buy i think it's more accurate to say consrvs vote for candidates who ignore/deny the problems
long enough to pass them off to someone else's watch. FWIW, it's called
generational terrorism.
my
"That's the idea anyway, saying it's for targeted advertising sounds quite paranoid to me."
.gov was spying only on international calls originating outside the U.S. Then we find out that it was bi-directional. Then we find out (as the paranoid suspected all along) that the bag-on-the-side at the telco is/was/always-has-been datamining domestically. Combined with what we know of .gov sharing their information w/the likes of Infragard, State and Local LEA, tracking quakers, librarians, anti-war activists and other dissident citizens, the firings in the Atty Gen. Office, 'detaining' ethnic citizens of suspect origins, the scare tactics used to keep anyone from defending them........
I would imagine it's more a ? of whether the paranoia is rational or not.
Consider that 2 years ago GWB claimed that the
Oh happy day, Deep Packet Inspection, How could that possibly be mis-used?
Bend over boyo, we've got a surprise for you.
"How can the government and ISPs keep up with the computational resources"
.gov shares info with .biz .biz returns the favor. Now, the advertisers found a way
They'll do just what most bigger ISP's (telco's) have done:
let their friendly DHS/NSA add a little room at their data center.
Cull through YRO and its apparent that
and
to get their fingers into the pie.
And will someone please post more stories on the infamy that
is Infragard!
Well said. I haven't finished reading all the threads, but i'm curious how this is different from the /. post on BT and PHORM
It seems to like they are doing the same thing, just under
a different company name.
(you can opt out of this 'feature' by clicking here for your FREE laptop)
Well, TIPS caught my attention on a prior /. post
/. also had this thread awhile back:
CONTENT="FBI Demands Logs From Radical Website"
REL="author" HREF="//yro.slashdot.org/search.pl?op=stories&author=36799"
Which contained a link to
http://www.citizencorps.gov/about.shtm
And, FWIW,
National "Dragnet" Connecting at State, Local Level
on a 'national data x-change" tho i'd seen it elsewhere.
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/07/0138253
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=08/03/07/0138253
So, datamining, sharing the information, encouraging wholesale spying on the angry
unwashed, not the stuff of conspiracy theory, but happening in real-time. And, i'd bet, that most of the people who know about it and dissent are bound by law (yea, right) or national security impositions to have them effectively gagged.
Listen, keep fighting the good fight! You've apparently passed thru the 'bubble of no return':)
I remember someone asking me at a demonstration in D.C. "how do you know when to get involved?"
My answer was when it becomes compelling enough that cannot be ignored. When one cannot stop themselves from getting their feet wet and jumping into the fray.
We're all 'little guys' here. And ppl who man hotlines may not be well informed.
Instead of thinking how the ACLU can assist you consider how you can assist them.
Now that you've gotten self-involved you've taken the 1st big step. Kudos
For your viewing enjoyment (i hope) - an earlier post of mine to a different thread, which reinforces your points on the 'personhood' of corporations and more:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=509958&cid=22965344
I hope you dont mind if i co-opt your coinage of
"deborking the system" - it has a nice ring to it!
OK, you got me there. I suspect we're bird-of-a-feather and feel the same way. I've been railing against the System since forever (@least it feels that way of late)
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What i meant was just as you point out: that its been borked for over 40 years, if not since the onset of the industrial 'revolution' in the late
1800's. I just think it took things getting as bad as they are to get enough people to finally recognize it; to see how co-opted they became thru the belief that the Elites' interests were theirs as well (sorta like the evangels believing in republican jingoisms' on "family values")
Where it goes from here is anybody's guess, but i wouldn't rule out martial law and totalitarianism just yet.
I get the impression that altho it's been around for a number of years now,its secretive nature is only recently getting exposure.
You "could" mod my post up so to increase its 'eyeball' factor. But more important, and i wish i wrote it down when i heard it; earlier this week i read somewhere that the DHS/FBI is sharing its wiretap info (on us) with the businesses community @large. Combine that w/programs like TIPs and soon we'll all be turning on one another as per the master plan:(
Scott Ritter came to the local State College here 4 days ago and said exactly the same thing. His message kinda turned folks off a bit. Like many weren't ready to hear that it actually took personal involvement,
But the one thing I found revealing in his talk was that focus was
exclusively related to ending the war.
The only reason mass-protest worked in the 60's is that it became violent
enough to catch the attention of the MSM. These days, even tho millions around
the world may gather in solidarity it never got any attention.
So where i used to be of the mind that protest meant being ready to get arrested to swamp the system, i now doubt its utility.
Additionally, I doubt that ending the war is the banner from which to
rally people; Because war is a manifestation of larger social issues, I much prefer "Peace-n-Justice", which continues on after the shooting stops and troops come home.
After all the brusises and pains of doing 60's thing, I've come to believe
that one cannot change the system from the outside. Sally just changes her
name and her game lives on. Where B.Obama is not my 1st choice, he
may represent the best chance (w/out betraying the ppl who put him
into power - ala LBJ) for effecting change from the inside.
Dissent is a personal endeavor, conducted among neighbors and communitites, often out of the limelight and gets reflected at the voting box.
Now, when the voting booth gets taken away, that's another story entirely.
I would like to add:
=> abolish nukes world-wide, starting here at home
=> revoke 'personhood' from corporations - as it was never intended
=> revoke 'special' status for the Southern States
=> implement IRV - so as to let ppl vote w/their hopes instead of fears
=> make peace w/our southern neighbors, reconcilation as it were for our
military/economic transgresses, thru new green-tech initiatives for mutual
prosperity
=> use above as integral to a new energy policy that lets us (US) extract ourselves
from the mid-east entirely, letting them solve their own problems under their
own steam.
There's more, but FWIW, i've gotten so frustrated and angry over the past 8-20 years that i've decided to start my own party. So far, a party of 1. I'm calling it the "Surprise Party" and am using my points above as the beginning of a national platform that the State chapters (starting with vt.surpriseparty.us) can integrate w/their local issues.
My premise is based on the fact that US 2-party politics has devolved into the
incessant quest for that elusive 'middle-ground' between right-n-left;
and turned politics into a race to the bottom. And that true change starts at the
community level and percolates up to changing State govt. Multiply 50X and
maybe, maybe, we can spare ourselves from the comming shit-storm.
I believe, in actuality, the extremes of each party (libertarians, greens, progressives, anarchos, evangels) have more in common with one another than the
mainstream counterparts. So already the extremes are doing an end-run on the
status-quo: comming together from the opposite direction and closing the
loop (as it were).
So, the surpriseparty is where i can try and put that hypothesis to the test
of finding a new and improved common ground.
Stay tuned.
And neither were the Harlan County Coal mine strikes to evict the overlords from from Kentucky. Whenever I watch that documentary I take pride seeing everyday moms-n-dads
holding their shotguns next to their pickup's and standing up to the Man.
(e.g. the personhood of the corporation)
These are the people we need to convince in order to restore country greatness, once their eyes are opened to the fact that their backyard is all of the USSA.
Fact is, politics, economy, health-care, et.al, is so woven together that one area cannot be rectified w/out addressing all the others. And in the end it boils down to
labor: how working people are percieved and used by the system.
The transformation of capitalism into hyper-consumerism and it's dependency on over-production to sustain itself has a direct correllation on the quality of life
it's workers enjoy (or not). Pity organized Labor is in such a sorry state.
The Civil Rights Bill and a "Great Society" came at the price of
.02
the assassination of its most visible sympathizers.
And ever since the passage of the Civil Rights Bill, the Right wingers have been undercutting and disenfranchising minorities at every turn.
The govt blinked after the Watts riots, the Chicago 7, the rising up of angry namvets tired of being fodder. And as soon as they 'vietnamized' their whole mess, It was business-as-usual: Flooding Inner cities w/cheap heroin,
military adventurism in Indoniesia, Chile, Latin America. Look
at the laws passed and you'd have to conclude the dis-enfranchisement wheels that now have criminalized the (mostly non-white) underclass were set in motion. and are the focus of most of the problems we face today.
my
And some of us here in this little State are trying to secceed from the US as well! Vermont has been standing up to Texas neo-cons for 8 years and so many folks here are frustrated that they have to place to vent their anger at what's been taking place that they want out entirely. And make a pretty convincing arg for it.
... The independent republic of Vermont. ...
Disclaimer: Since TX is also home to great people like BMoyers, JHightower, MIvans, maybe it's not Texans per se, just the Elite posers from the NorthEast who moved to TX and co-opted their State Govt.
I.E.
Apr 3, 2007
South Carolina's not the only state with citizens who talk seccession.
As we see in this story the list
news.greenvilleonline.com/blogs/brooks/2007/04/the_independent_republic_of_ve.html
Worth noting also, if mem serves correctly, is that drumsfield is principal shareholder of the company that owns patents to the antidotes and got the US govt to contract w/his company for $1B worth, exclusively. :get into govt :start a terror war :profit!
Pretty good deal:
Now, combine your warranted suspicions with a google search
... ... The FBI Deputizes Business. by Matthew Rothschild ... In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU. ... ... "InfraGard is not readily accessible to the general public. Its communications with the FBI and Homeland Security are beyond the reach of ...
on "DHS FBI infragard" AKA "how DHS is using a select group of loyal
priv'd businessesmen to spy on citizens thru a local chapter near you".
"The FBI retained InfraGard as an FBI sponsored program, and will work with DHS in support of its CIP mission, facilitate InfraGard's continuing role in CIP
www.infragard.net/about.php?mn=1&sm=1-0
Feb 7, 2008
www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/07/6918/
"Feb 7, 2008
blog.progressivedem.com/2008/02/07/us-citizens-under-surveilence-by-infraguard.aspx -
It appears infragard has been around for years, but
I first became aware of this recently via:
http://www.7dvt.com/2008/nerds-wire
Everyone involved tries to make it sound patriotic and tame, but when you collate the stories on KP, IP, NSA, etc.. it begins to look pretty black.
s/sneek-n-peek/freaky-deak/g and you may want to move to some private idaho
Or you could look for a bright side and thank them for helping us all see just how borked the System really is and giving us something to talk and act on for the next 2-3 election cycles:)
that dollar bill sitting in your wallet is worth exactly .04 cents
There have been plenty of documentaries of late exposing the charade that has
been perpetuated on US citizens by the Fed, the sovereigns and wall street
regarding the looting of our treasury by the hands of privateers.
And what, pray tell, are they up to now? Why, printing ever more money
to bail out the bankers and institutional investors.
We've, citizens, have been duped into perceiving that that dollar bill is the
actual money, rather than just a 'representation' of money. I suspect that
we're also going to be in serious sticker shock when the bills comes due for the
Feds excesses.
I, like anyone, watched the market skyrocket over last summer, amidst war, foreclosure,
and a looming recession. What did Bernanke (sp?) say to the public in the Fall?
"Hey we're great, good to go". Kinda reminiscent of what the CEO of BS said 36 hours
before the fall.
IMHO, they should all be run out of town