> However I noticed that for Pirates they > released mixes. It's hard to unmix a mix!
The Pirates mix doesn't reflect reality at all, nor was it intended to. It is mixed in such a way as to include every line spoken by every character, which makes the track much longer than the ride -- about 17 minutes. Same thing with the Haunted Mansion mix, which is a whopping 22 minutes long.
Meanwhile, fans have been circulating high-quality bootlegs of isolated ride sounds for years. Doombuggies.com has a mess of Haunted Mansion tracks here.
http://doombuggies.com/media_audio4.htm
As for the legal aspect, the one of the four factors in fair use of copyrighted materials is "the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work" Since these are defunct rides, which Disney has no intention of rebuilding, the digital re-creations can't have any effect on their market. And even if Disney did have plans for this material, (CD re-issues, for example) the court has to decide if the "infringing" use actually diminishes the market. In some cases you can create a work covered by fair use which uses the original material and completely kills the potential market for the original work. Doesn't happen very often in today's greedy corporate climate, but it's allowed under the law. Disney could simply throw so much money into a lawsuit that they crush their opponent -- hardly the spirit of the original U.S. Copyright Act.
I highly recommend this completely biased page of links to copyright and fair use info: http://negativland.com/intprop.html
And there's always more Ride Theory info than you can use at: www.dannysland.blogspot.com
Audio tracks are also an issue. For the simulation to feel right, they have to be localized to the location of the speaker. A tape recording made in the ride usually sounds like muck, and would probably violate copyright as well.
Fans have been trading source recordings from Disney rides for years, and you used to be able to buy custom burned "Disneyland Forever" CDs at the park. The Adventure Thru Inner Space tracks include the complete lobby soundtrack, the complete ride, and the song "Miracles from Molecules" which played in the exit area.
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> However I noticed that for Pirates they
> released mixes. It's hard to unmix a mix!
The Pirates mix doesn't reflect reality at all, nor was it intended to. It is mixed in such a way as to include every line spoken by every character, which makes the track much longer than the ride -- about 17 minutes. Same thing with the Haunted Mansion mix, which is a whopping 22 minutes long.
Meanwhile, fans have been circulating high-quality bootlegs of isolated ride sounds for years. Doombuggies.com has a mess of Haunted Mansion tracks here.
http://doombuggies.com/media_audio4.htm
As for the legal aspect, the one of the four factors in fair use of copyrighted materials is "the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work" Since these are defunct rides, which Disney has no intention of rebuilding, the digital re-creations can't have any effect on their market. And even if Disney did have plans for this material, (CD re-issues, for example) the court has to decide if the "infringing" use actually diminishes the market. In some cases you can create a work covered by fair use which uses the original material and completely kills the potential market for the original work. Doesn't happen very often in today's greedy corporate climate, but it's allowed under the law. Disney could simply throw so much money into a lawsuit that they crush their opponent -- hardly the spirit of the original U.S. Copyright Act.
I highly recommend this completely biased page of links to copyright and fair use info:
http://negativland.com/intprop.html
And there's always more Ride Theory info than you can use at:
www.dannysland.blogspot.com
DH
Audio tracks are also an issue. For the simulation to feel right, they have to be localized to the location of the speaker. A tape recording made in the ride usually sounds like muck, and would probably violate copyright as well.
Fans have been trading source recordings from Disney rides for years, and you used to be able to buy custom burned "Disneyland Forever" CDs at the park. The Adventure Thru Inner Space tracks include the complete lobby soundtrack, the complete ride, and the song "Miracles from Molecules" which played in the exit area.
Here is more info on the Disneyland Forever CDs.
Really, there is no way, either technically or legally, to do a good job without the cooperation of Disney.
You're just not getting into the spirit of this thing at all, are you?
No, I wrote the original post, and i screwed up -- closed in 1998. I got copy-and-paste happy.
...and WALTER ELIAS DISNEY anagrams into WEE SILLY SATAN RIDE.
Sorry, meant to say that MTWR closed at WDW in 1998. See www.savetoad.com for more info than you need.