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Lost Disney Rides Recreated in CGI
Dan Howland writes "Disney closes the rides, but the CGI geeks love them too much to let them disappear. 'Adventures thru Inner Space,' the Disneyland ride in which you shrunk down to the size of a molecule, ran from 1967 to 1985. Atommobiles.com is a fan site which includes this elaborate CGI recreation.
The Walt Disney World version of Mr. Toad's Wild Ride closed in 1967. Virtual Toad is in the process of re-building it." I was born after 1967, and I've ridden MTWR many times, so perhaps they're talking about an older version.
if they got cease and desist letters for "infringing Disney's property."
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I remember the first time I went to Disneyland, I rode this ride (the newer version I guess). It was easily one of the best as it had a car! I was facinated with cars at the time.
Admittedly, I liked the one where you could drive around in those gasoline powered cars (its still there today, I believe) However, the lines were always so looonng...
Sigh, brings back many dear memories...
Soon all Disney rides will be in CG and you'll see advertisements on TV with kids begging their parents to 'log on to Disneyland'. The only problem is that people will not be surrounded with merchandise.
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If they can do a good enough job recreating the rides, their Whuffie's going through the roof!
Sadly, I'm so out of touch -- it's been so long since I've been to Disneyland, I never realized they shut this ride down (Inner Space). This and Space Mountain were my absolute favorite rides as a kid.
I'm sad to find out (very belatedly) that it's gone, but happy to see that someone is doing something to preserve it. Even looking at those images of the huge ice flakes brings back a lot of very old memories.
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride closed on September 7, 1998, according to the Save Mr. Toad's Wild Ride site. It was a fantastic ride; too bad Disney closed it. :(
I was born after 1967, and I've ridden MTWR many times
I went on Mr Toads Wild Ride back in 1993, at the young age of 9, and after that I vowed to never experiment with LSD or other hallucenogenic substances.
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to the best "make-out" ride ever.
At least to this hormone driven teen in the late seventies (before the geek gene fully asserted itself). Ahhh memories.
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You get the great disney rides, but without the psychotic crowds and (usually) smelly and slimy water, etc (seriously, what the hell is up w/ the smell in disneyland, anyways?)
It's a plot to bring the pathetic, dipshit trolls out of the woodwork.
And here you are.
Mission accomplished.
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I remember reading a book about Disneyland, and the favorite joke about the Inner Space ride was this: The disney employees could always spot the horny teenagers hoping for a nice long, dark ride. When asked how long the ride was, they'd intentionally give the teenagers a made-up answer like "Nearly an hour." Then they'd wait for the teenagers to suddenly emerge from the ride and struggle to put all their clothes back on, in full view of the waiting patrons... Good times!
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If you love memories of disney rides long gone, check out http://www.yesterland.com/yester.html
absolutely great website if you wondered whatever happened to your favorite ride!
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Just the other day I bumped into the Inner Space guy and chatted to him about this very project. It's a small world after all.
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Considering they sent cease and desist letters to a daycare. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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is that it's only useful for the slow or non moving rides that are mainly aural/visual. For obvious reasons rises such as Space Mountain, without the key component (that feeling in your stomach) the experience is going to be somewhat removed (unless you have a very strong friend to shake your chair!)
As far as educational rides go, this would be a great idea, and would save the pain of the extortionate entry fees.
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I noticed the lobby had more light inside than what I wanted. [..] The transfer between my monitor settings and DVD output changes the brightness of the final product [..] I guess I have a really dark monitor.
This guy needs to read how to adjust the "Brightness" and "Contrast" controls (correctly) on his monitor and television.
There's also a lot more in-depth material on the matter.
I know after reading that material, I was able to adjust my TV and monitor controls properly. I have a battered old Sony TV that's nothing special but whenever I have friends over I often get comments that the image quality is really good. Well, duh, that's because black is black and white areas are white - but not so bright as to burn your retinas out in a darkened room.
Not only is Mr. Toad's Wild Ride no longer at Disneyworld, but it's slated to be taken out from Disneyland, too. Sucks, because that's one of my fav rides there!
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I went to Disneyworld 20 years ago and was inside the big golf ball- Epcot's "Spaceship Earth"- when there was a mechanical failure of some sort and the cars stopped moving. They sent someone to run down the track and tell everyone to stay in their seats. We were stuck there for almost an hour. When it happened we were passing by the Renaissance scene. There was an animatronic setup where a bunch of Renaissance Italians were gathered on some steps, and one of them was teaching the others from a book. The other was nodding like if he was listening- nod, nod, shift down, nod, nod, shift up, repeat. If you see less than one cycle of that, it looks convincing, but after a few hundred cycles it starts to look fake, like the guy isn't really listening or learning anything.
I felt bad for the people a bunch of cars behind us. They were trapped in the Dark Ages. But the real victims must have been whoever was passing by the animatronics of the 19th century telegraphist- with the telegraph rattling up and down and the guy spelling out letters of nonsense. They must have lost their minds.
I am one of the biggest Disney weenies in the world. I've had an AP since I was 15, and I long for a return to the old days of Disneyland. I would love to see a full-on 3D recreation of Disneyland in various eras, that could be "walked thru."
Two sites that I frequent are Yesterland.com, which features pictures, descriptions and memories of the almost every "retired" Disneyland attraction, and MiceAge.com, which features backstage "exposes" about Disneyland and the people who run it.
This reminds me of a website called Virtual Midway, which features some defunct attractions at Cedar Point. No fancy CGI but still fascinating (to me, at least).
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but I was thinking of disney world. I've been to both, and the smell of smog covered up almost every other smell in disneyland. ;-)
Next time read the website before posting. The Mr. Toad ride wasn't even built in 1967, Walt Disney World wasn't even open until 1971. And they finally removed the ride in 1998. Despite the protest of people who wanted to keep it.
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That's cool! Walt Disney World didn't even open until about 1971 or 1972
This is the first post calling CGI Common Gateway Interface.
It may be the first in this sid, but it's by far not the first on Slashdot. I'm guessing that most "All your base" or "hot grits" or "naked and petrified" comments would be struck down as -1, Redundant, even if there aren't any other such comments in a particular sid.
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Do you believe anybody is going to read it?!
I rode MTWR many times since 1972 when I was born. I have been to Disney World in Orlando over 20 times and I have pictures of it from our trip in 85 or 86. Maybe it was taken out of Disney Land in CA, but FL had it for some time as that was one of my favorites.
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Here are two previous articles with CGI/CGI confusions. Many others have been made on Slashdot, but Google seems to index only comments at or above the highlight threshold, which is Score:4 for anonymous users.
Come on, these days you should implement things as Java web services, or maybe a simple LAMP solution using MySQL and Perl, Python, or PHP. CGI is just so mid-90s!
Oh, wait, you mean Computer Graphics? Not the Common Gateway Interface? My mistake.
Seriously, every time I see CGI I have this moment of confusion when I try to map the subject into my little web development world. Too much time writing code I guess.
How come someone doesn't recreate the "People Mover" ride? Man that thing rocked! Moved at 2km/h and went nowhere.
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The Tomorrowland Flying Saucers were the ultimate futuristic version of the old bumper cars...individual pods that actually hovered above the ground, supported by bursts of air blasted from below. .
Each saucer would carry one big guest (or two little ones), and they could steer their saucer just by leaning their body in the direction they wanted to go. The saucers would become the bumper cars of tomorrow, and your mission was to plow into as many other saucers as you could before your time was up.
The saucers debuted on August 6, 1961. Their 16,000 square foot arena was divided into two sections, each with 32 saucers. .
Beneath the floor of the arena were four 100-horse power motors. Together, the motors blew more than 300,000 cubic feet of air per minute up towards the bottom of the floor. A small amount of air escaped through little openings between the thousands of circular plates that made up the floor itself. If a saucer was over one of the plates, the saucer's hollow bottom deflected the air back down to the plate. The force of this downward air flow popped the plate open fully, allowing a massive amount of air to pass through. It was the force of this air that caused the saucer to rise. When the saucer moved away, the plate snapped shut.
From the first day, the Flying Saucers were plagued with problems. If a guest was too heavy, there wasn't enough air in the world to lift it up. And if a guest was too light, it was difficut to tip the saucer in any one direction, so it simply stayed in one spot, bouncing up and down. And the constantly colliding saucers did little to help the condition of the guest's spinal cords. Worst of all, if two sauces collided just right, the speeding saucer would wedge under the saucer it rear-ended (if, indeed, a circle can have a rear end) sometimes flipping it upside-down. . . The attraction finally closed for good on August 5, 1996...
Sorry, meant to say that MTWR closed at WDW in 1998. See www.savetoad.com for more info than you need.
As a young boy, I found that ride with Michael Jackson very touching.
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Anyway, one of the logs had an entire crew of young men, who looked quite muscular under their t-shirts, and they had military-style haircuts (I don't know enough military to tell Marine from SEAL from other units, but these guys looked quite trained well beyond Basic and they had some kind of military haircut). Anyway, these guys took the paddles and got a rhythm going, and not only did they get their log throwing a wake, the Disneyland "guide" was in the back with this expression of sheer terror and hanging on to the rudder for dear life. That alone was worth the price of the park admission.
Cool. Thanks!
They don't have one of my favorites, though. 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, which was across from the Chicken of the Sea pirate ship.
They recreated these rides using CGI scripts!? That's awesome! I can wait to run them on my own webserver. I've always wanted to have a rollercoaster in cgi-bin. Man, the Internet is amazing... there's so much cool stuff you can do.
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"I was born after 1967, and I've ridden MTWR many times, so perhaps they're talking about an older version."
Sorry to burst your bubble. Mr. Toad'd Wild Ride is indeed gone. It has been replaced by some other animated-disney ride. I can't remember which one. I live in orlando, but I haven't been to disney in several years.
They also got rid of the figment ride at Epcot. The imagination ride. They replaced it with John Cleese as narrator, and at the VERY end of the ride, there is a wall with Figment on it in little lights. Then you walk out of the ride and there is a store with nothing but figment dolls. It's disgusting.
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Do the math, considering the normal rate of severe injuries and death for a major city and the number of people who go through there every day, Disneyland and Disney World would rate as some of the safest places on Earth.
Its kind of like the people who get freaked about the risk to our children in schools from school shootings--they are more likely to be killed within a couple of blocks from school than they are on school property.
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Maybe they mean Disneyland?
And MTWR only recently closed at WDW...
thanks man, that really brings back the memories
Hey, what gives? it was a scriptkiddie joke on his sig. Geeezzz.. Troll my ass.
....In 1994 I took my wife and daughter to Orlando to Disney World. It's about an 8-10 hour trip from where I live. All the way back I had to listen to my lovely progeny singing the refrain from "It's A Small World" over and overrrr....and...overrrrrrr.....
For those of you in Rio Linda, that's *NINE frickin' hours*. Whoever thinks these rides need to be preserved is (a) an insensitive clod, or (b) not a parent, or (c) both.
Don't you people know Disney's evil anyway?
I asked my wife if she'd heard of this ride, seeing as she was raised in Southern California before her family moved to Seattle in the early 80's. "Wow, That My Favorite Ride" she said, and told me all about the sights and sounds.
.avi files, seeing as we have a Mac, but the .mpg's ran great and really blew her away how realistic it all looked.
.avi we got to hear but not see, and also how the cars would go to the left after entering the miniaturizer, as opposed to going straight and actually turning into those little timy cars in the injector device.
.avi's with .mpg's please. It's yet another closed msft standard.
It was kind of disappointing to not be able to access the
She mentioned a big eyeball that would peer down at you after the "miniaturization" process, which was maybe included in the
Also, the cars would jiggle about as they moved along the track, which would be a nice touch instead of the clinically clean super smooth tracking that the default CGI outputs.
Can't wait to see more, and replace the
Inner Space was a cool ride for me when I was 9 -- with a kid's imagination, you really felt like you were shrinking. Sad how you lose that when you grow up.
We broke down in the part of that ride where all the dolls are singing in the different languages for about 20 minutes. Seemed like forever !
It's not even really a standard but it is in no way Microsoft specific, anymore at least.
If you want MS-only... look at WMV.
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Those ride chairs are now in the haunted house, they painted the backs black, but they are the same track the same pull doen bar and behind you speakers and everything, so the ride still lives as a ghost ride!
That's california disneyland, don't know about florida
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the pull down bar, those speakers in the back of you and the rounded back give it away, just painted black, same track and motions, cal disney location, haunted house, anyone seen them at florida?
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I was wondering viewing the thread and the sites, could using a 3d game engine to create a simulation of the ride? Detail would be less but you could move the camera around. But would it be better than the coaster simulation out?
I took a quick look at both sites (only one of which worked) and didn't see the obvious: where are they getting data? They need a plan showing ride track, figures, effects and show lighting. They may also need speed profile data - I believe the Toad vehicles are dual-speed, actuated by a cam that follows a hump in the floor. Are they simply going to fudge the geometry based on recollections? Guests do not get a good feel for how a ride is built by riding it. And yet, I think even the unremembered details contribute to the overall impression.
Audio tracks are also an issue. For the simulation to feel right, they have to be localized to the location of the speaker. A tape recording made in the ride usually sounds like muck, and would probably violate copyright as well.
In the absence of a convincing plan, I guess that this will be an impressionistic reconstruction that misses a lot of the detail. Really, there is no way, either technically or legally, to do a good job without the cooperation of Disney.
They brought them back in CGI, only to be shut down again by the long lines of Slashdotters spilling soda and nachos on each other, trying to cram into a website that only seats 30...
No, it's not. Right now the company has absolutely no known plans to shut down any of the existing Fantasyland attractions. I'm not sure where you get your info from, but it's flat-out wrong.
We got stuck in "It's a small world" with that damn song going over and over and over. Talk about an earworm, that's got to be the worst one ever. To this day, I can elicit a visceral response from my folks by launching into that song.
The gnome-things were all smiling, though, so they seemed to be enjoying it well enough. Hell, we were just passing through, they're stuck there 24x7.
.. then I remembered being stuck in It's a Small World for 45 minutes. You guys may laugh, but because of this ride there's an episode of the Simpsons I still can't stomach.
"Derp de derp."
Swear to Primus, I was at Disneyland (CA) just yesterday, and my son wanted one ride on "Pirates" before we left for the night. So since I was already dog-tired and wanted to go home, the boat goes and gets stalled at the foot of the final lift before the ride ends. Probably took us 20 minutes to get out of there.
I think if I had to listen to "A Pirate's Life For Me" -- along with the animatronic pirates grunting as they hauled that treasure chest -- for another ten minutes, I would have personally hunted down all of the ride operators involved in that fiasco...
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A favorite pasttime of us local So Cal kids was to save up a big loogie for the end of the ride - the nucleus, and spit on it - the light inside it was so hot, it would sizzle. Many times we'd arrive there, see a bunch of steaming spit stains on it and laugh so hard we'd swallow a ride's worth of hockable lungh butter.
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The gnome-things aren't alive! Big difference.
My favorite part of Mr. Toads was when the train came right at you and then you went to hell, very creepy. But seriously, once my brother jumped out of the gondola on Pirates and all of a sudden a voice came over a loud speaker "Please get back in the boat!". It was at the part where the guys in the cells are trying to get the dog to give them the keys. It was the first time I realized how much the had the place under surveilance.
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Choosing to publish a story that so badly gets its computer jargon wrong (CGI for CG) is just bad business. Sure, you're too busy contemplating what to get for your mother for Christmas, but between "Buy Now" and "You've been sent an email confirming your order," is there not enough time in the day to eliminate that "I"?
Nothing personal, I understand that people can love the characters and memories, but let's not forget what the money goes towards...
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I still have Small World flashbacks... makes me wanna chew my arm off in hopes the pain will make me forget...
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Strangely, that's the only thing I remember about the ride.
I think this is a fantastic idea. Someone (you maybe?) e-mailed it to me a wek or so ago.
Last night, while channel surfing, I came across "Cheaters," I told my wife the "Bullies" idea. She thought it was a good idea too.
The only problem I see is getting permissions because of the minors and stuff.
You should pitch this show to someone. Seriously.
this is kind of late in the day posting 2 days after the story aired, but i was wandering,
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Actually they do. It's listed as "Submarine Voyage" in Tomorrowland. (I guess that was the Disneyland name, while 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea is the WDW name).
Lost Disney Rides recreated in CGI
Say what now?
http://www.disney.com/spacemountain.pl ??
Doesn't sound quite the same to me.
Oh, did they mean re-created through computer graphics? Then what the hell is the I for?
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I've only been to Disney World, and just twice... first time was before Epcot existed, and Mr. Toad's Ride was unfortunately closed. Second time was a couple of years ago and it had already been replaced by the Pooh ride, which, imho, was pretty kickass. :)
my favorite was Eastern Airlines "Wings of Man" back in the early 70's. . .
They had a scene where you were riding one of those desert sail-cars - the ride's car would tilt back and it really felt like you were accelerating
We went to south Florida during a hurricane and there was nobody in any of the lines at Disney World. Did the haunted mansion three times in an hour & a half.
When we returned to Virgnia at the end of our holiday, it had been wrecked by the storm.
forget about pirates of the carribean, that's old news, today it's the haunted mansion! (don't you know anything?)
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nothing against handicap, but closing somthing like that, because it's not handicap accesable, is lame!
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Where's the CGI "Carousel Of Progress"?
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Thanks to the reckless and unauthorized link to atommobiles.com, the site has been closed because the link drew somwhere in the neighborhood of 11,000 users. I talked to the domain owner and he now faces HUGH bandwitdh expenses that he cannot afford. Thanks for killing one of my favorite sites.
127.0.0.1 is too obvious, using 192.168.1.100 (the default starting DHCP served address from Linksys broadband routers) is much more clever, even if it catches fewer people.
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127.0.0.1 is too obvious, using 192.168.1.100 (the default starting DHCP served address from Linksys broadband routers) is much more clever, even if it catches fewer people.
Well, I don't imagine it would really "catch" anyone (as in someone actually trying to pull a remote exploit on that IP thinking it is a legit address). So based purely on comedic value, I think 127.0.0.1 is much funnier (exactly because it is so obvious, and it conjures the image of a know-nothing h4X0r wannabe trying to crack 127.0.0.1). However, your mileage may vary.
The Walt Disney World version of Mr. Toad's Wild Ride closed in 1967.
I remeber riding that ride in Disney World when I was 7 years old. And I was born in 1969! My guess is that they are talking about the DisneyLAND (not World) ride which closed in '67. Or perhaps it was a revamped version I rode as a kid.
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