Well, I guess you agree with my point then...that given a budget, a bike can certainly win. However, I guess that there is certainly a 'curve', or something like it, there, with the cheaper end favouring the bike and the expensive end favouring the car.
I do, however, concede that I was wrong, at least in spirit - there are indeed inexpensive cars that can handle corners very well. Caterham cars (and the like) for one[1], though the cheaper versions are in kit form. I also recall some older cars, the Peugeot 205 GTI was one from 'my era'.
Furthermore, I perhaps am a little 'out of date' wrt to prices, so perhaps some adjustment is in order - though the bike's still seem to be sub-10000ukp, so perhaps not:p
[1] though, looking, they seem to start at around 12Kukp - somewhat higher than I remember.
I don't think I would be 'surprised and disappointed' because my expectations are realistic.
I know bikes are aweful on corners due to the lack of rubber on the road. Of course, you'd also be lucky to find a car sub-10000ukp that can handle corners well.
However, they have exceptional acceleration in straight lines, much more so than cars (per unit currency), and this is why I would like the race - ie to see if the vastly superior acceleration of a bike will overcome the lack of grip round the corners.
It's a general 'noise' of disagreement; similar to 'na'. I haven't noticed it used anywhere other than the US, so it's a valid question, I think. A lot of US terms tend to look odd (or pathetic, as you put it) to non-US people, especially the acronyms which US people seem to want to come up with all the time.
He didn't say why the person was jackass, just that the jackass couldn't comprehend the difference[1].
Why he considered the applicant a jackass isn't explained, though it would seem that it is because he couldn't comprehend the difference[1], rather than specifically having porn as a desktop background.
[1] between looking at porn for the job and having porn for his desktop background.
I had a quick look at the site, and registered to have a play.
I was confused, and found no help anywhere. Is there a help page/faq that I missed?
For a start, I noticed that the 'liberal' was blue and 'conservative' is red, which is the opposite of my understanding (from UK politics) and makes it counter-intuitive. Actually, in the UK, I think the liberal's colour is yellow, and it's labour who traditionally uses red (with the conservatives using blue).
Then I noticed on article which seemed to be rated the opposite of what I would have thought, which made me wonder if I have a basic misunderstanding.
This made me wonder what the definition of 'liberal' and 'conservative' are supposed to be.
...but I find no help on any of these issues.
To me, in an extremely simplistic sense, conservative is generally a set of 'western' values, and liberal is a set of 'eastern' values. I think of it in terms of 'left' and 'right' when looking at a world map. The big communist countries are on the 'right', so that's 'left wing', and the conservative countries are on the 'left', so that's 'right wing' (ie applying an 'opposite logic'; again, in a very basic simplistic sense.
I guess I'll have to look them up. There are many terms like this I don't really understand fully, though I'd guess they are defined differently by different people(s) anyway, so it's up to me to come up with my own definition, perhaps.
To me, I find wikipedia to be a good source of multiple opinions, though it has often been biased because of a skew of people from one side - for example, many of the pages on the various Chinese issues are clearly (to me) biased against China, and that can be easily explained by the fact that Chinese people have had spotty access to wikipedia, and probably few of them would feel capable of complex debate/opinion in English anyway, even if they cared to.
I wonder how you would attempt to counter that issue - ie of an in-built bias towards western media due to the fact that only English pages are featured and so only English capable people will be likely to use the site. I guess there's nothing to stop people submitting pages in other languages, eg in Chinese, but then the reverse would likely be true.
Let me refer you to the post I was answering:
(Top Gear once set up a camera on a motorway bus station for the duration of the hour long program at peak times, and did not see a single bus) In other words, it doesn't matter *what I expect*. I was pointing out that the bias exists and so you can't necessarily rely on their facts in such matters.
Indeed, and I said fairly specifically what I wanted to do - that is to see which of a car and motorcycle would win going round the Top Gear track, if you had to choose each vehicle with a budget of 10000ukp.
Was that not clear? I think it was fairly clear, at least.
I didn't mention people and/or luggage. You can assume 1 person (the driver) and no luggage, since they're the minimum.
If you want to have many people and lots of luggage in your race, then you're welcome, but I'd appreciate it if you would leave my race alone.
This is not to say I like Virgin Media but sometimes you have to choose the lesser of evils While I'm tempted to agree with your assessment of Virgin Media, I am reminded that often people will admit to one evil in order to hide a worse one....
And dear god, why don't you people do something about that? ...and you think the US is somehow better than China. Actually, it's not too bad here in China, but it ain't great either - we don't have much choice, since buildings are generally serviced by one company. That doesn't stop us from using a DSL service, but I don't know if there's any other service than CNC (I can't read Chinese). We also haven't had much in the way of bandwidth increases in the years I've been here - I'm currently on 1Mb/512Kb ADSL, but I used to be on 8Mbps symmetric MAN connection (usually 10BaseT ethernet out of the wall) which was 99rmb per month (12USD?), which isn't bad value for money, I'd say.
On a more serious note, I could make some guesses as to why people don't do anything about it :
1) they are doing something about it, but it isn't having any effect (voice not loud enough; not enough people with the same voice; not enough cash to have an effect due to the corrupt system that is only influenced by campaign contributions[1]),
2) they aren't doing anything, because what they have is 'good enough',
3) they aren't doing anything, because they are ignorant that there could be anything better - ie they only pay attention to what's happening in their country and assume it's the best there is.
[1]...which is why I liked Ron Paul so much. I first noticed him because he didn't accept campaign contributions from corporations - though I have to wonder if that is true. Even though I didn't agree with all the things he said, he's worth listening to just on that score....but I'm not a US citizen, so it's kind of a moot point, even though I can contribute to his campaign (I think - I didn't try) and so influence the process a little.
Well, me too, though I haven't been there in a while.
I have to wonder why they set up a camera in a 'motorway bus station'. What is one of those? Anyway, I didn't know motorways had bus lanes...they're usually a city thing, no?
Also, Top Gear's bias towards the car and against, well, *anything* else is quite clear. Despite two of the presenters (the more sane ones - ie not Clarkson) being motorcycle riders, they continue to push the car as the superior performance vehicle which is only really true if you ignore price, which most people cannot.
*I* would like them to spend 10000UKP on a car, and 10000UKP on a motorcycle and put the two head-to-head on their track. Then we'd see which got round more quickly. A 0-60 would be a slam-dunk too, and a standing 1/4 mile. I'd guess it would be true even if the track were wet, but that would certainly be more interesting:)
It would also be more interesting to see how two 10000ukp vehicles compare for fuel consumption, if you pick them with that in mind.
I like to call it a 'fork'...and the 'American Spirit' was a bug that crept in after the fork, and, fortunately, hasn't been merged into the main branch - yet, though it seems to be having an appropriate adverse effect - merge by osmosis, you might say.
Yeah, yeah. Flamebate. I know (or is it a troll - I find it difficult to tell the different).
I think you'll find everywhere censors the internet for one reason or another.
I'm not quite sure what it means to 'completely' censor something. Is it censoring something if you just check it's OK, even if you find that it *is* OK?
Anyway...we in China are now able to access many of the sites we didn't use to be able to, so things are moving in the right direction. Only time will tell if this is permanent or temporary.
Of course, very few Chinese actually care about accessing the blocked sites - it's really only foreigners that it impacts significantly (since we generally can't read the Chinese ones).
Yes, many sites 'self sensor' since various things are actually against the law, which might make you respond that the laws are wrong...but that could be said of many countries. In China, things are opening up, so things are actually getting better - that's not what I see happening in other countries (US, UK, Australia), where things are being tightened with more and more restrictions on many things (admittedly, not necessarily directly related to censorship explicitly).
Well, I would guess he's talking to a UK audience, in which case it would be irrelevant how bus lanes work in the rest of the world, and it would be stupid for him to make analogies referring to bus lanes in other countries, whether he's ignorant of them or not.
On the other hand, I don't think UK bus lanes 'work' any differently in the UK than many other places. They are designed to give priority to mass public transport. I wonder if he was talking about it from the point of view of a 'person wanting to get from A to B', rather than a person driving a car, which is what people here seem to be assuming.
Perhaps it would help if you thought of 'bus lane' as 'bulk transfer' in QoS terms, which I think means that it only takes spare bandwidth (ie the bus takes a long time to arrive), but can take the full bandwidth when it's free (ie the bus has arrived, you've gotten on it and it is on it's way).
IMO, it is just one more example of a poor car (albeit a big version of a car) analogy.
If so, I don't see how that could be considered mainstream. Perhaps I misunderstand the term, but to me it means it is used on many different computers, not just one.
Perhaps 'mainstream' is valid in this case because the one model sold a lot? I don't think that fits with my uderstanding of the word, but it's at least debatable, I suppose.
Yes, this thread is interesting, most notably the post about the word 'reduced' (and 'increased') being either multiplicative or additive.
To me, it depends on the word following 'reduced' - in this case 'by', which is always additive/subtractive.
If they had used 'reduced to' then that would be clear too.
The '%' is always multiplicative.
So, acceptable alternative might be :
1) reduced by 75% of the original value 2) reduced to 25% of the original value 3) reduced to a quarter of the original value
I can't see any way to get 400% into it.
Perhaps the post about it actually being incorrect due to common misconceptions is more applicable. That post does say that the meaning is clear though, which it clearly isn't to everyone...
We've spent centuries over here cleaning up the English language by expunging extraneous letters and normalizing spelling to match pronunciation. Yeah, like flickr, krzr, razr.
Guys, there's such a thing as style, and you lot ain't got it.
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Wonderful. Monster Cable hates America!!!! You mean, "You assume Monster Cable hates America!!!!"?
It's the legal equivalent of Clint Eastwood's "Make my day, punk".
Well, I guess you agree with my point then...that given a budget, a bike can certainly win. However, I guess that there is certainly a 'curve', or something like it, there, with the cheaper end favouring the bike and the expensive end favouring the car.
:p
I do, however, concede that I was wrong, at least in spirit - there are indeed inexpensive cars that can handle corners very well. Caterham cars (and the like) for one[1], though the cheaper versions are in kit form. I also recall some older cars, the Peugeot 205 GTI was one from 'my era'.
Furthermore, I perhaps am a little 'out of date' wrt to prices, so perhaps some adjustment is in order - though the bike's still seem to be sub-10000ukp, so perhaps not
[1] though, looking, they seem to start at around 12Kukp - somewhat higher than I remember.
I don't think I would be 'surprised and disappointed' because my expectations are realistic.
I know bikes are aweful on corners due to the lack of rubber on the road. Of course, you'd also be lucky to find a car sub-10000ukp that can handle corners well.
However, they have exceptional acceleration in straight lines, much more so than cars (per unit currency), and this is why I would like the race - ie to see if the vastly superior acceleration of a bike will overcome the lack of grip round the corners.
It's a general 'noise' of disagreement; similar to 'na'. I haven't noticed it used anywhere other than the US, so it's a valid question, I think. A lot of US terms tend to look odd (or pathetic, as you put it) to non-US people, especially the acronyms which US people seem to want to come up with all the time.
He didn't say why the person was jackass, just that the jackass couldn't comprehend the difference[1].
Why he considered the applicant a jackass isn't explained, though it would seem that it is because he couldn't comprehend the difference[1], rather than specifically having porn as a desktop background.
[1] between looking at porn for the job and having porn for his desktop background.
I had a quick look at the site, and registered to have a play.
...but I find no help on any of these issues.
I was confused, and found no help anywhere. Is there a help page/faq that I missed?
For a start, I noticed that the 'liberal' was blue and 'conservative' is red, which is the opposite of my understanding (from UK politics) and makes it counter-intuitive. Actually, in the UK, I think the liberal's colour is yellow, and it's labour who traditionally uses red (with the conservatives using blue).
Then I noticed on article which seemed to be rated the opposite of what I would have thought, which made me wonder if I have a basic misunderstanding.
This made me wonder what the definition of 'liberal' and 'conservative' are supposed to be.
To me, in an extremely simplistic sense, conservative is generally a set of 'western' values, and liberal is a set of 'eastern' values. I think of it in terms of 'left' and 'right' when looking at a world map. The big communist countries are on the 'right', so that's 'left wing', and the conservative countries are on the 'left', so that's 'right wing' (ie applying an 'opposite logic'; again, in a very basic simplistic sense.
I guess I'll have to look them up. There are many terms like this I don't really understand fully, though I'd guess they are defined differently by different people(s) anyway, so it's up to me to come up with my own definition, perhaps.
To me, I find wikipedia to be a good source of multiple opinions, though it has often been biased because of a skew of people from one side - for example, many of the pages on the various Chinese issues are clearly (to me) biased against China, and that can be easily explained by the fact that Chinese people have had spotty access to wikipedia, and probably few of them would feel capable of complex debate/opinion in English anyway, even if they cared to.
I wonder how you would attempt to counter that issue - ie of an in-built bias towards western media due to the fact that only English pages are featured and so only English capable people will be likely to use the site. I guess there's nothing to stop people submitting pages in other languages, eg in Chinese, but then the reverse would likely be true.
POS = Point of Sale
POS = Piece of Shit
For the most part, the POS's in this thread are the first choice. The actual posts in this thread, on the other hand....
> Performance depends on what you want to do.
Indeed, and I said fairly specifically what I wanted to do - that is to see which of a car and motorcycle would win going round the Top Gear track, if you had to choose each vehicle with a budget of 10000ukp.
Was that not clear? I think it was fairly clear, at least.
I didn't mention people and/or luggage. You can assume 1 person (the driver) and no luggage, since they're the minimum.
If you want to have many people and lots of luggage in your race, then you're welcome, but I'd appreciate it if you would leave my race alone.
Thank you.
On a more serious note, I could make some guesses as to why people don't do anything about it :
1) they are doing something about it, but it isn't having any effect (voice not loud enough; not enough people with the same voice; not enough cash to have an effect due to the corrupt system that is only influenced by campaign contributions[1]),
2) they aren't doing anything, because what they have is 'good enough',
3) they aren't doing anything, because they are ignorant that there could be anything better - ie they only pay attention to what's happening in their country and assume it's the best there is.
[1]
> From UK if you haven't already guessed.
:)
Well, me too, though I haven't been there in a while.
I have to wonder why they set up a camera in a 'motorway bus station'. What is one of those? Anyway, I didn't know motorways had bus lanes...they're usually a city thing, no?
Also, Top Gear's bias towards the car and against, well, *anything* else is quite clear. Despite two of the presenters (the more sane ones - ie not Clarkson) being motorcycle riders, they continue to push the car as the superior performance vehicle which is only really true if you ignore price, which most people cannot.
*I* would like them to spend 10000UKP on a car, and 10000UKP on a motorcycle and put the two head-to-head on their track. Then we'd see which got round more quickly. A 0-60 would be a slam-dunk too, and a standing 1/4 mile. I'd guess it would be true even if the track were wet, but that would certainly be more interesting
It would also be more interesting to see how two 10000ukp vehicles compare for fuel consumption, if you pick them with that in mind.
I like to call it a 'fork'...and the 'American Spirit' was a bug that crept in after the fork, and, fortunately, hasn't been merged into the main branch - yet, though it seems to be having an appropriate adverse effect - merge by osmosis, you might say.
Yeah, yeah. Flamebate. I know (or is it a troll - I find it difficult to tell the different).
I think you'll find everywhere censors the internet for one reason or another.
I'm not quite sure what it means to 'completely' censor something. Is it censoring something if you just check it's OK, even if you find that it *is* OK?
Anyway...we in China are now able to access many of the sites we didn't use to be able to, so things are moving in the right direction. Only time will tell if this is permanent or temporary.
Of course, very few Chinese actually care about accessing the blocked sites - it's really only foreigners that it impacts significantly (since we generally can't read the Chinese ones).
Yes, many sites 'self sensor' since various things are actually against the law, which might make you respond that the laws are wrong...but that could be said of many countries. In China, things are opening up, so things are actually getting better - that's not what I see happening in other countries (US, UK, Australia), where things are being tightened with more and more restrictions on many things (admittedly, not necessarily directly related to censorship explicitly).
Well, I would guess he's talking to a UK audience, in which case it would be irrelevant how bus lanes work in the rest of the world, and it would be stupid for him to make analogies referring to bus lanes in other countries, whether he's ignorant of them or not.
On the other hand, I don't think UK bus lanes 'work' any differently in the UK than many other places. They are designed to give priority to mass public transport. I wonder if he was talking about it from the point of view of a 'person wanting to get from A to B', rather than a person driving a car, which is what people here seem to be assuming.
Perhaps it would help if you thought of 'bus lane' as 'bulk transfer' in QoS terms, which I think means that it only takes spare bandwidth (ie the bus takes a long time to arrive), but can take the full bandwidth when it's free (ie the bus has arrived, you've gotten on it and it is on it's way).
IMO, it is just one more example of a poor car (albeit a big version of a car) analogy.
I think he said explicitly that it isn't alright. At least, that's what I took :
"I don't like what he's saying..."
Is there some other interpretation?
Remember, he said they're already doing this, and unless Mr Virgin CEO's comment is not news to you, that's *not* being 'up front about it'.
Is that only one machine?
If so, I don't see how that could be considered mainstream. Perhaps I misunderstand the term, but to me it means it is used on many different computers, not just one.
Perhaps 'mainstream' is valid in this case because the one model sold a lot? I don't think that fits with my uderstanding of the word, but it's at least debatable, I suppose.
I noticed this too. I wonder what they were trying to say.
...or is it just marketing crap?
Yes, this thread is interesting, most notably the post about the word 'reduced' (and 'increased') being either multiplicative or additive.
To me, it depends on the word following 'reduced' - in this case 'by', which is always additive/subtractive.
If they had used 'reduced to' then that would be clear too.
The '%' is always multiplicative.
So, acceptable alternative might be :
1) reduced by 75% of the original value
2) reduced to 25% of the original value
3) reduced to a quarter of the original value
I can't see any way to get 400% into it.
Perhaps the post about it actually being incorrect due to common misconceptions is more applicable. That post does say that the meaning is clear though, which it clearly isn't to everyone...
Yes, I understand increasing by 100%, but reducing by anything more than 100% makes it go negative, as far as I can figure.
and it gets better when Linux joins :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4iyksLeo7w&feature=related
never mind that old one...did you see the South Park one youtube referenced after it finished :
:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id_kGL3M5Cg&NR=1
Now that's funny
Guys, there's such a thing as style, and you lot ain't got it.
(OK, so neither have I, but there you go)