In South Korea, the script they use is very unique - not like Chinese at all....furthermore, I've not seen them mix in Chinese like, say, the Japanese do (albeit traditional Chinese).
I tried gmail on my 3250 (an old phone, note) and it has a link at the bottom for the html page. I don't think that's the same as the ajax page though. Even so, I think the problem there is with google, not with the browser - I would guess they're specifically targeting their mobile page at S60 browser.
The video's got a bit further, but not far enough to see where he needs to use both hands.
Thinking about it, the only need to two hands on the n95 is when you copy/paste text. You have to hold the pencil/edit key down, move the cursor over the text to select to highlight it, then press the left soft key (labelled 'Copy'). To paste, you hold the pencil/edit key down, and press the right soft key (labelled 'paste'). Perhaps he was doing that...how do you do copy/paste on the iPhone, I wonder.
> The iPhone can be operated just fine with one hand.
Eh? How do you use the iPhone with only one hand?...and I can't think of any time I ever needed to use two hands with the n95
That video you linked to isn't working beyond the first few seconds - for me - so I can't see it. Perhaps it'll load eventually. I *really* hate flash - it's *so* much slower than just a video (or html). I suppose that's an advantage the iPhone has over the n95;).
I can't really comment on much on what you say until I see the video.
I used the browser on the (prototype) n95 I had often and quite successfully; and I use it regularly on my 3250 (the same browser is available on all S60 3rd edition phones).
I've not used the browser on the iPhone, but I don't see how it would be any better, apart from the fact that it has a bigger screen...
While I agree with your general point,IMO, web browsing is not something that proves it. Perhaps it is true for typical US phones, but the n95's web browser is quite usable. You can even display on a TV if you happen to be near one, so screen size might not be so important in some (rare) situations.
I think the video someone did of people in line for the iPhone was quite revealing. They didn't seem to know that all these features could be had on other phones already, and then some. If they don't know they're available, then I don't see how they can compare. Most people only know the shitty little phones, not the ones in the same market as the iPhone.
Perhaps you could give examples of what phones they were comparing it with?
Feature-wise (that's what the article was talking about), the Nokia N95 is widely considered the current technology leader in the current market place.
The iPhone is more about UI innovation than features - not to play down it's impact because of that, but still.
I think the N95 would stack up much more favourably against the Casio. It may not have the features out of the box, but S60 (the N95's OS) is designed so that you can add software to do many of the things listed (adding s/w to the iPhone is [currently] a hack and one still under development).
Well, I was thinking of myself. My mobo has 4 sata ports and 4 ide ports, and they each have something plugged into them. If one of my IDE drives dies, then I have to buy an SATA drive, but I still have to use it on an IDE controller.
Actually, that's not the setup I've got at all. I have my 2 system drives (RAID1) and CDROM on the mobo's IDE ports, and a PCI 4 port IDE controller for the 4 IDE drives. The latter 4 IDE drives are part of a RAID5 with the 4 SATA drives. So, I could buy an SATA PCI controller and, gradually as the IDE drives are replaced with SATA drives, move them from the IDE PCI controller.
So, no, it isn't for 'most' people, but it's there anyway. Not sure what you mean by 'non-standard'....
oh, ok. Even so, there's still things that can be done. I'd still be more pissed about that, I think. Like the other guy said, I can understand power failures - they're unacceptable, but still understandable. Allowing a drunk in there, whether an employee or not, I cannot understand. Is there only one person there or something? Security should have just sent the person home.
On the other hand, there's drunk, and there's drunk....
He didn't say he'd think it was OK, only that it was understandable...I think I agree. I would roll heads in either case, but probably be more outraged by the drunk access.
If that was his argument, then that's a fair point. That it was his argument, however, wasn't clear.
In any case, the point it seems to turn the discussion 'what to do about it' rather than 'who to blame', which isn't a bad direction to turn, I suppose - a lot more practical than blame:)
Being in China, I guess I might be guilty of being on the defensive on this issue, and so read his post in the wrong light. Apologies if that is the case.
I don't know if I'm alone, but I find it quite difficult to read when people get this wrong - it actually means something different, so the sentence needs another scan to figure out.
It might make you feel better to think that because there is more email traffic there is more spam, but it doesn't change the facts about where the spam is coming from.
You could argue that your suggestion would be a more meaningful metric, but that's not what you argued...and I'd disagree anyway. It's just like with green house gas emissions - just because you use more energy doesn't nullify the fact that you're producing more green house gases.
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> Korea?
...furthermore, I've not seen them mix in Chinese like, say, the Japanese do (albeit traditional Chinese).
In South Korea, the script they use is very unique - not like Chinese at all.
I tried gmail on my 3250 (an old phone, note) and it has a link at the bottom for the html page. I don't think that's the same as the ajax page though. Even so, I think the problem there is with google, not with the browser - I would guess they're specifically targeting their mobile page at S60 browser.
The video's got a bit further, but not far enough to see where he needs to use both hands.
Thinking about it, the only need to two hands on the n95 is when you copy/paste text. You have to hold the pencil/edit key down, move the cursor over the text to select to highlight it, then press the left soft key (labelled 'Copy'). To paste, you hold the pencil/edit key down, and press the right soft key (labelled 'paste'). Perhaps he was doing that...how do you do copy/paste on the iPhone, I wonder.
> The iPhone can be operated just fine with one hand.
...and I can't think of any time I ever needed to use two hands with the n95
;).
Eh? How do you use the iPhone with only one hand?
That video you linked to isn't working beyond the first few seconds - for me - so I can't see it. Perhaps it'll load eventually. I *really* hate flash - it's *so* much slower than just a video (or html). I suppose that's an advantage the iPhone has over the n95
I can't really comment on much on what you say until I see the video.
Later, maybe.
I used the browser on the (prototype) n95 I had often and quite successfully; and I use it regularly on my 3250 (the same browser is available on all S60 3rd edition phones).
I've not used the browser on the iPhone, but I don't see how it would be any better, apart from the fact that it has a bigger screen...
While I agree with your general point,IMO, web browsing is not something that proves it. Perhaps it is true for typical US phones, but the n95's web browser is quite usable. You can even display on a TV if you happen to be near one, so screen size might not be so important in some (rare) situations.
I think the video someone did of people in line for the iPhone was quite revealing. They didn't seem to know that all these features could be had on other phones already, and then some. If they don't know they're available, then I don't see how they can compare. Most people only know the shitty little phones, not the ones in the same market as the iPhone.
Perhaps you could give examples of what phones they were comparing it with?
Mod parent up.
Feature-wise (that's what the article was talking about), the Nokia N95 is widely considered the current technology leader in the current market place.
The iPhone is more about UI innovation than features - not to play down it's impact because of that, but still.
I think the N95 would stack up much more favourably against the Casio. It may not have the features out of the box, but S60 (the N95's OS) is designed so that you can add software to do many of the things listed (adding s/w to the iPhone is [currently] a hack and one still under development).
Well, I was thinking of myself. My mobo has 4 sata ports and 4 ide ports, and they each have something plugged into them. If one of my IDE drives dies, then I have to buy an SATA drive, but I still have to use it on an IDE controller.
Actually, that's not the setup I've got at all. I have my 2 system drives (RAID1) and CDROM on the mobo's IDE ports, and a PCI 4 port IDE controller for the 4 IDE drives. The latter 4 IDE drives are part of a RAID5 with the 4 SATA drives. So, I could buy an SATA PCI controller and, gradually as the IDE drives are replaced with SATA drives, move them from the IDE PCI controller.
So, no, it isn't for 'most' people, but it's there anyway. Not sure what you mean by 'non-standard'....
...on the same web site :
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http://sewelldirect.com/IDE-to-SerialATA-Converte
a little pricey, IMO, but it's there if you want it.
Sounds like it's time for a new technical term...
Not a bad idea, I think...
oh, ok. Even so, there's still things that can be done. I'd still be more pissed about that, I think. Like the other guy said, I can understand power failures - they're unacceptable, but still understandable. Allowing a drunk in there, whether an employee or not, I cannot understand. Is there only one person there or something? Security should have just sent the person home.
On the other hand, there's drunk, and there's drunk....
> The drunk thing is way outside the control of the administrators.
Eh? You're kidding, right?
He didn't say he'd think it was OK, only that it was understandable...I think I agree. I would roll heads in either case, but probably be more outraged by the drunk access.
> You are MORE vulnerable using your credit card in a "real" store than online.
Care to back that up?
Right. I think I read somewhere that Nokia make more cameras than any other company (even though they're part of phones).
I don't think the N95 or N93 are quite there yet (both VGA, IINM), but it isn't long, I'm sure...
> I think I know which scenario I want to be in.
Care to share? It isn't clear...
> If this is true, then why are you bringing the video camera with you?
The tone I projected onto your sentence there implies that your question is rhetorical, ie that there's no reason to take both.
It's easy to think of reasons why the posted might want to take two, even if they're identical devices.
In any case, I don't think he said he took both on the same trip - did he? The bit you quoted didn't make that explicit anyway.
...plus increasing the trade in used screwdrivers, nail files, scissors, and other 'tools'.
If that was his argument, then that's a fair point. That it was his argument, however, wasn't clear.
:)
In any case, the point it seems to turn the discussion 'what to do about it' rather than 'who to blame', which isn't a bad direction to turn, I suppose - a lot more practical than blame
Being in China, I guess I might be guilty of being on the defensive on this issue, and so read his post in the wrong light. Apologies if that is the case.
> while there at it?
It's "they're" - ie short for "they are".
I don't know if I'm alone, but I find it quite difficult to read when people get this wrong - it actually means something different, so the sentence needs another scan to figure out.
That's not true.
It might make you feel better to think that because there is more email traffic there is more spam, but it doesn't change the facts about where the spam is coming from.
You could argue that your suggestion would be a more meaningful metric, but that's not what you argued...and I'd disagree anyway. It's just like with green house gas emissions - just because you use more energy doesn't nullify the fact that you're producing more green house gases.
Volume is volume.
I bet the Windows version is just as top heavy as the Borg version.
> no life except cricket on the weekends
"except"? What else is there?
Ah, I see by your use of the word 'joke' that you're flexing language again. Thanks for letting me know beforehand. Now I know you expect a laugh.
Ha ha.
There you go.
That's not what 'the feeling is mutual' means.
You're thinking of, "I feel the same way."
Gulf dead zone to be biggest ever
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6904249