Lots of "facts" turn out to be false. Massive deforestation, for example. The rates of deforestation alleged for the Amazonian rain forest turn out to be extremely overstated. Far from being denuded, the US is undergoing a turnaround in forest cover, and now has more acres of forest than in 1900.
Climate swings in the past 11,000 years have been enormous, and we are actually colder now than most of those past years -- all without help from modern civilization there was massive global warming, with a sustained global temperature of over what we now have.
Mars turns out to be experiencing global warming as well! All without help from pesky humans and their SUV's.
What is the common factor between Terra Firma and the Red Planet? Why, the Sun, of course! It's long been recognized that Old Sol is a variable star. Mars, without the enormous heat sinks that Earth has (oceans, thick atmosphere), would naturally experience wilder swings, as pointed out here.
So, can we give it a rest about our puny CO2 emissions causing the warming?
"...have you bothered to read the report before saying that they are biased and untrustworthy?"
Of course I didn't read the report. Did you, before you claimed they were totally unbiased and trustworthy? It's clear you didn't read what I wrote, since I didn't say they were biased and untrustworthy. Good grief, I said I distrust them from principle. They may be wrong, they may be right, but I don't say, like some here have, "Goodness golly, they're NOBEL-LAUREATES fer cryin' out loud, they must be trusted!"
Who here has read the entire blinking report? If a Nobel-laureate wrote a report it took him or her a year to prepare, are you saying you could read the whole thing and understand all the arguments so that you could say those arguments all held water? If you did, then by Golly where's YOUR Nobel prize? I sure don't have one.
"if you are expressing your opinion, why don;t you let them express theirs?"
Did I say they're not allowed to express their opinions, junior? Hmmm, checking a little closer I see that I didn't. I said I don't trust them implicitly. What's your point? They're allowed to publish whatever they want and I'm not permitted to doubt any of it?
"they aren't asking you to join them, they simply stated why they are concerned with this administration. read the damned report."
I like how that works: since I am perceived not to be fawning over the noble Nobel laureates and swooning at their great wisdom, therefore I must be trying to stifle the poor dears.
"...if ever there was a group of people capable of making an honest, accurate assessment of this sort of thing, it's a bunch of Nobel laureates."
Oh, sure. "Trust us, we're scientists." "The noble pursuit of science." The notion that scientists are completely objective is a very shaky one at best. The "Concerned" in UCS is a red-flag in any case. Anyone who comes to me and claims to be a "concerned citizen" is immediately suspect as anything but "disinterested". Besides, it was Nobel-class scientists who said Alfred Wegener's theory of continental drift was complete nonsense.
That said, I wouldn't trust them implicitly if they said that the Bush administration's policies were OK. I don't trust the Bush administration, either. I expect the scientists and the politicians to be completely biased and untrustworthy until proven otherwise.
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Yes, $299 a pop. Interesting. I could undercut them, being both a programmer and a ham radio operator. And "Naming a Star After You!" ?? Does anyone there have a conscience? Only a certain internation astronomical association can "officially" sanction a star name.
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Climate swings in the past 11,000 years have been enormous, and we are actually colder now than most of those past years -- all without help from modern civilization there was massive global warming, with a sustained global temperature of over what we now have.
Mars turns out to be experiencing global warming as well! All without help from pesky humans and their SUV's.
What is the common factor between Terra Firma and the Red Planet? Why, the Sun, of course! It's long been recognized that Old Sol is a variable star. Mars, without the enormous heat sinks that Earth has (oceans, thick atmosphere), would naturally experience wilder swings, as pointed out here.
So, can we give it a rest about our puny CO2 emissions causing the warming?
Of course I didn't read the report. Did you, before you claimed they were totally unbiased and trustworthy? It's clear you didn't read what I wrote, since I didn't say they were biased and untrustworthy. Good grief, I said I distrust them from principle. They may be wrong, they may be right, but I don't say, like some here have, "Goodness golly, they're NOBEL-LAUREATES fer cryin' out loud, they must be trusted!"
Who here has read the entire blinking report? If a Nobel-laureate wrote a report it took him or her a year to prepare, are you saying you could read the whole thing and understand all the arguments so that you could say those arguments all held water? If you did, then by Golly where's YOUR Nobel prize? I sure don't have one.
Did I say they're not allowed to express their opinions, junior? Hmmm, checking a little closer I see that I didn't. I said I don't trust them implicitly. What's your point? They're allowed to publish whatever they want and I'm not permitted to doubt any of it?
I like how that works: since I am perceived not to be fawning over the noble Nobel laureates and swooning at their great wisdom, therefore I must be trying to stifle the poor dears.
"...if ever there was a group of people capable of making an honest, accurate assessment of this sort of thing, it's a bunch of Nobel laureates." Oh, sure. "Trust us, we're scientists." "The noble pursuit of science." The notion that scientists are completely objective is a very shaky one at best. The "Concerned" in UCS is a red-flag in any case. Anyone who comes to me and claims to be a "concerned citizen" is immediately suspect as anything but "disinterested". Besides, it was Nobel-class scientists who said Alfred Wegener's theory of continental drift was complete nonsense. That said, I wouldn't trust them implicitly if they said that the Bush administration's policies were OK. I don't trust the Bush administration, either. I expect the scientists and the politicians to be completely biased and untrustworthy until proven otherwise.
Yes, $299 a pop. Interesting. I could undercut them, being both a programmer and a ham radio operator. And "Naming a Star After You!" ?? Does anyone there have a conscience? Only a certain internation astronomical association can "officially" sanction a star name.
You might want to read the guy's explanation, which is in the comments. He was forced off by a threat of lawsuit.
Oh, course, Soviet-era secret projects would naturally be found posted on the Internet.