It looks like the submitter played it fast and loose with their summary
Neither of the two links to the cybersecurity summit mention sharing customer data, but the submitter chicksdaddy makes it look like their third link contains comments from RSA security guru Michael Brown (regarding sharing customer data between companies and government), when it fact the linked article contains no reference to Brown
Looks like we all got trolled by the submitter, mahvelous
Funny, unless it is a brilliant ploy to get people to think about security... kinda like Slashdot going down for 8 hours on Google Security Day due to, ahem, their storage solution software going kaput:/
If I remember correctly, the Clipper chip fiasco resulted in the dissemination of tools like PGP, which the US government classified as munitions (in order to limit their export) until industry convinced them that it was hurting business at which point they were allowed to market them
The US government is prone to keeping industry alive and, to my knowledge, has not caused the dramatic outfall that you seem to predict
Right now the public expects that service providers can gather all the information about their browsing because they are willing to click-accept on any license that they are presented with, and THAT IS THE PROBLEM
I remember the fiasco in the 90's when news got out about Clipper chip back doors... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C......just figured that they got quieter about it since then
This really seems to be an effort to codify the smooth transition from click-accepted marketing intrusion to unexpected government 'oversight' Heck, they could throw a line into the click-through license that allows it and chances are nobody would notice
Oh, and fyi... one of the quotes that you attempted to attribute to me in support your argument "Jon Stewart switches to a different tone (or faces a different camera) when he is presenting jokes or opinions. That's why he is so trusted by young people."
was made by a different poster, dj245
And so, your entire argument was based on an intentional misrepresentation of the facts, a lie that was so easy to expose as to be laughable
Well played sir, you demonstrate a fool to a degree that others would aspire to
Okay, at least now we can establish that you have friends
I was responding to your claims of super-awesomeness " It was fun already having formed a devastating counter argument and dismantling their arguments without a second thought" by poking a stick at your puffery because it is really, really easy to deflate the claims of the Fox News commentary staff.
If we are talking about the Daily Show, then you are going from refuting misstatements to refuting JOKES about misstatements.
I'll just assume that you have actually seen the Daily Show, or maybe any American stand up comedy from the last fifty years
The heart of the matter is that media outlets have used the position of Authority to convince the view to believe what they are telling them
In the long distant past you could see Walker Cronkite furrow his brow and tell you, "that's the way it is", and most people trusted the media enough to believe it. Of course it had some weight to it because there used to be some widely accepted journalistic standards that the media was held to
decades have passed and a small group of really well off people own most of the media outlets. There has been a decided tendency for the owners of companies to 'twist' the facts to their advantage, and sadly enough acceptance of the practice
Some media outlets, in particular Fox News, has taken this practice to a higher (lower?) level than their competitors (you can argue that MSNBC does the same thing, while I differ on the degree). Whether it is Hannity, O'Reilly, Van Sustren, or the rodeo clown, they all use (and abuse) a supposed position of authority to rain all kind of 'spun' crud down on the audience to convince them, nay drive them to the conclusions that the media owner wants them to hold, like don't tax the media owner, don't regulate the media owner, etc...
What comedians like George Carlin, Al Franken (and the rest of the SNL team) and John Stewart have done is dig into the heaped on propaganda of the media talking heads and drag out the chunks of lies that the media owner has buried behind tons of nationalistic hubris to expose their true intent
They walk you through it, step by step, and teach their audience to be critical, use external sources and in most all cases Question Authority
Somehow you 'spun' what I said and turned it into the exact opposite. It is the deluded Fox News watcher who accepts Hannity's position of authority, who responds to their bluster and hubris as if it made them more reliable, and who at every turn responds to the emotional button pushing and false praise that propagandists are so quick to use. I would argue that it is the Daily Show viewer who distrusts and analyzes and researches information far more deeply and honestly
I earnestly hope that you are just blowing smoke and that you do not fear cognitive dissonance to the degree that you allow yourself to intentionally misunderstand everything that you are exposed to. My kids and their friends are millennials and few of them have demonstrated the completely 'thick as a brick' approach to being challenged that you have just presented. I still believe there is hope. Shows like the Daily Show that draw an audience and get them to question authority and think for themselves are part of the solution
Thanks Alan, I remember the late 90's when I thought that/. was the actual url (simpler times when I thought that www./.com could be a url, eh?) and then created a username only to abandon it for the simple joy of AC trolling. I decided to make this account when I stepped up from trolling to beating the asshats around and about the head and shoulders with valid opinions backed up with googlicious factoids
I went back to AC posting when beta was foisted upon us and just recently started using my ID again. So, I feel pretty confident calling out some AC that wants to fling poo, and I certainly welcome AC's or anybody to engage in actual discussion... but if you want just fling poo then you had better zip up the ol' flame proof suit and get ready for some fun:)
Did you read my original post from which they decided that I should have been smothered?
I suggested that the Daily Show encourages people to apply critical thinking and dig through the onslaught of information in order to develop their own opinions and to avoid the spin of propaganda
At this point in time the largest purveyor of spin and propaganda is fox news, the right wing machine and their offering of bullshit mountain, calling him out (primarily due to their aggressive tone) as a right winger was pretty simple and I would say spot on
People lose brain mass and synaptic flexibility as they age, it makes them easy targets for propagandists who pander to their biases while getting them fired up to vote against their own priorities
Think about all of the aged teapartiers looking like dumbasses with their 'keep yer gubmint hands offa my medicare' signs, having apparently forgotten that medicare itself was part of the social safety net created by liberals and that conservatives repeatedly attempt to destroy medicare (and social security) through privatization
The gop makes effective use of seniors and their tendency to vote en masse, unfortunately the mental state of the aged makes that a bad thing, any revolution will probably resemble the little war prophesied in Logan's Run
M'kay... and what 'other' news source would be more grounded in reality? Maybe Fox News?
Oh, that's right... Fox News fell back to the statement that they are 'opinion' so that they could not be sued for misrepresentation of the facts
The truth is that we have gone from the days of Walter Cronkite when any news anchor was expected to give us the straight dope, into a world of spin an shifting factoids
I remember reading my local (conservative) newspaper (end to end on a daily basis) as a kid a realizing that I had to filter out the right-wing bias that the local publisher would insert (they were owned by the Quayle family)
The gen Y's, X's and Millenials have lived so long in a spin induced world that they have learned from the Daily Show how to decipher bullshit mountain and as a result, the show has taught them better critical thinking skills and made them better news consumers than anybody who lets their senses get twisted by buying into bullshit mountain
I rather enjoyed kongbucks and simoleans (actually the fictional stories that they were featured in), the real life embodiment in bitcoins... not so much
Saul's brother's mental illness and fear of electromagnetic spectrum was transmitted to an admin who shut off all of the power in the cage to protect himself
Using an imprecise mechanism like language requires verification
If the 'user' wants to deride that verification, then they will get the same response as any ass-hat that demands instant response to ambiguous statements
Going beyond the uncanny valley will require both conversation and 'training' to the individual, just like any working relationship with a human
Slashdot Mirror
It looks like the submitter played it fast and loose with their summary
Neither of the two links to the cybersecurity summit mention sharing customer data, but the submitter chicksdaddy makes it look like their third link contains comments from RSA security guru Michael Brown (regarding sharing customer data between companies and government), when it fact the linked article contains no reference to Brown
Looks like we all got trolled by the submitter, mahvelous
Funny, unless it is a brilliant ploy to get people to think about security... kinda like Slashdot going down for 8 hours on Google Security Day due to, ahem, their storage solution software going kaput :/
If I remember correctly, the Clipper chip fiasco resulted in the dissemination of tools like PGP, which the US government classified as munitions (in order to limit their export) until industry convinced them that it was hurting business at which point they were allowed to market them
The US government is prone to keeping industry alive and, to my knowledge, has not caused the dramatic outfall that you seem to predict
Right now the public expects that service providers can gather all the information about their browsing because they are willing to click-accept on any license that they are presented with, and THAT IS THE PROBLEM
FTFY
Don't forget the stampede as Congress runs down to K street to find out what their opinion on the matter is
I remember the fiasco in the 90's when news got out about Clipper chip back doors... ...just figured that they got quieter about it since then
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...
This really seems to be an effort to codify the smooth transition from click-accepted marketing intrusion to unexpected government 'oversight'
Heck, they could throw a line into the click-through license that allows it and chances are nobody would notice
Post the current cybersecurity issues faced by the White House to Slashdot and get all your answers for free
You're welcome
Oh, and fyi... one of the quotes that you attempted to attribute to me in support your argument
"Jon Stewart switches to a different tone (or faces a different camera) when he is presenting jokes or opinions. That's why he is so trusted by young people."
was made by a different poster, dj245
And so, your entire argument was based on an intentional misrepresentation of the facts, a lie that was so easy to expose as to be laughable
Well played sir, you demonstrate a fool to a degree that others would aspire to
Okay, at least now we can establish that you have friends
I was responding to your claims of super-awesomeness " It was fun already having formed a devastating counter argument and dismantling their arguments without a second thought" by poking a stick at your puffery because it is really, really easy to deflate the claims of the Fox News commentary staff.
If we are talking about the Daily Show, then you are going from refuting misstatements to refuting JOKES about misstatements.
wow, just wow... or should I say 'whoosh'
I'll just assume that you have actually seen the Daily Show, or maybe any American stand up comedy from the last fifty years
The heart of the matter is that media outlets have used the position of Authority to convince the view to believe what they are telling them
In the long distant past you could see Walker Cronkite furrow his brow and tell you, "that's the way it is", and most people trusted the media enough to believe it. Of course it had some weight to it because there used to be some widely accepted journalistic standards that the media was held to
decades have passed and a small group of really well off people own most of the media outlets. There has been a decided tendency for the owners of companies to 'twist' the facts to their advantage, and sadly enough acceptance of the practice
Some media outlets, in particular Fox News, has taken this practice to a higher (lower?) level than their competitors (you can argue that MSNBC does the same thing, while I differ on the degree). Whether it is Hannity, O'Reilly, Van Sustren, or the rodeo clown, they all use (and abuse) a supposed position of authority to rain all kind of 'spun' crud down on the audience to convince them, nay drive them to the conclusions that the media owner wants them to hold, like don't tax the media owner, don't regulate the media owner, etc...
What comedians like George Carlin, Al Franken (and the rest of the SNL team) and John Stewart have done is dig into the heaped on propaganda of the media talking heads and drag out the chunks of lies that the media owner has buried behind tons of nationalistic hubris to expose their true intent
They walk you through it, step by step, and teach their audience to be critical, use external sources and in most all cases Question Authority
Somehow you 'spun' what I said and turned it into the exact opposite. It is the deluded Fox News watcher who accepts Hannity's position of authority, who responds to their bluster and hubris as if it made them more reliable, and who at every turn responds to the emotional button pushing and false praise that propagandists are so quick to use. I would argue that it is the Daily Show viewer who distrusts and analyzes and researches information far more deeply and honestly
I earnestly hope that you are just blowing smoke and that you do not fear cognitive dissonance to the degree that you allow yourself to intentionally misunderstand everything that you are exposed to. My kids and their friends are millennials and few of them have demonstrated the completely 'thick as a brick' approach to being challenged that you have just presented. I still believe there is hope. Shows like the Daily Show that draw an audience and get them to question authority and think for themselves are part of the solution
Earth-Sun L1 might be kinda hard to peer at, but SOHO is supposed to be parked there
Here is a list of published launches to Lagrange points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
The original plan was to move to a landing pad on terra firma after demonstrating it at sea (presumably to reduce potential hazards during testing)
Thanks Alan, /. was the actual url (simpler times when I thought that www./.com could be a url, eh?) and then created a username only to abandon it for the simple joy of AC trolling. I decided to make this account when I stepped up from trolling to beating the asshats around and about the head and shoulders with valid opinions backed up with googlicious factoids
I remember the late 90's when I thought that
I went back to AC posting when beta was foisted upon us and just recently started using my ID again. So, I feel pretty confident calling out some AC that wants to fling poo, and I certainly welcome AC's or anybody to engage in actual discussion... but if you want just fling poo then you had better zip up the ol' flame proof suit and get ready for some fun :)
Did you read my original post from which they decided that I should have been smothered?
I suggested that the Daily Show encourages people to apply critical thinking and dig through the onslaught of information in order to develop their own opinions and to avoid the spin of propaganda
At this point in time the largest purveyor of spin and propaganda is fox news, the right wing machine and their offering of bullshit mountain, calling him out (primarily due to their aggressive tone) as a right winger was pretty simple and I would say spot on
And yet you have all of the integrity to post as AC
I love it when conservative newsfeeds send droves of their minions to boards outside of the 'echo chamber' of bullshit mountain
It makes your right wingers look like the dorks you are in full view of a wide audience, please keep it up
People lose brain mass and synaptic flexibility as they age, it makes them easy targets for propagandists who pander to their biases while getting them fired up to vote against their own priorities
Think about all of the aged teapartiers looking like dumbasses with their 'keep yer gubmint hands offa my medicare' signs, having apparently forgotten that medicare itself was part of the social safety net created by liberals and that conservatives repeatedly attempt to destroy medicare (and social security) through privatization
The gop makes effective use of seniors and their tendency to vote en masse, unfortunately the mental state of the aged makes that a bad thing, any revolution will probably resemble the little war prophesied in Logan's Run
So... you are saying that all of your friends watch fox news?
M'kay... and what 'other' news source would be more grounded in reality? Maybe Fox News?
Oh, that's right... Fox News fell back to the statement that they are 'opinion' so that they could not be sued for misrepresentation of the facts
The truth is that we have gone from the days of Walter Cronkite when any news anchor was expected to give us the straight dope, into a world of spin an shifting factoids
I remember reading my local (conservative) newspaper (end to end on a daily basis) as a kid a realizing that I had to filter out the right-wing bias that the local publisher would insert (they were owned by the Quayle family)
The gen Y's, X's and Millenials have lived so long in a spin induced world that they have learned from the Daily Show how to decipher bullshit mountain and as a result, the show has taught them better critical thinking skills and made them better news consumers than anybody who lets their senses get twisted by buying into bullshit mountain
Maybe Stewart is going to enter the singularity and become a permanent part of the IoT
I would argue that Jessica Williams has been fantastic in her interview segments and pulls them off as well as John Oliver ever did.
Her Detroit water piece was magical
I rather enjoyed kongbucks and simoleans (actually the fictional stories that they were featured in), the real life embodiment in bitcoins... not so much
Once that bitcoin exchanges are regulated they will lose the ability to move cash around without oversight, which seems to be its primary appeal
Saul's brother's mental illness and fear of electromagnetic spectrum was transmitted to an admin who shut off all of the power in the cage to protect himself
They had obtained the rights years ago and were about to lose them through inactivity, so they crapped this out to maintain their rights
Using an imprecise mechanism like language requires verification
If the 'user' wants to deride that verification, then they will get the same response as any ass-hat that demands instant response to ambiguous statements
Going beyond the uncanny valley will require both conversation and 'training' to the individual, just like any working relationship with a human