Ummm...you do realize that says monthly, right? I live in Arkansas and I figure that as paying for itself in less than 8 months and saving over 6 million a year after that.
Actually LaBrea is a honeypot that refuses to release connections once they're open. So, it's not really the same at all, but it might slow down some worms if they were poorly coded.
That's covered in the interview. In short, they're saying Novell's confused and wrong:
Novell Inc. says the 1995 agreement governing SCO's purchase of Unix System V from Novell doesn't convey copyrights. What's your response?M
We certainly have a point of contention regarding their interpretation of that contract. We have statements from all the major parties that were involved in that contract that all the business and IP-related property of Unix and UnixWare was transferred to SCO. I think this is just a desperate act on their part to curry favor with the Linux community.
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You couldn't charge $250 for it. That's what's wrong with the example you gave.
GPL
2.b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
parties under the terms of this License.
and back up to 1.:
You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and
you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee.
So, you could charge $250 for support (warranty), but that wouldn't be an infringement on the original author's IP.
damn. i'd put some money on them being the first to market on any nanotech.
Dr. Ralph Merkle, crypto-god, is now working for them and no doubt played a big part in getting this funding for nanotech (which Zyvex will no doubt see some of). - Uberdog
Several of use who are fighting the fight for real patent reform have had our battles made more difficult, not less, by the conduct of those who randomly assault the USPTO without cause. Such remarks ultimately (and properly) get ignored, and the Office begins to turn a deaf ear to all arguments made for change -- even when they are sound.
so you're saying that by the slashdot community (who is obviously not fighting any sort of real battle for patent reform and is horribly uneducated in this matter) discussing it in an open forum, we're reducing the possibility of change?!?
that's even more closed-minded than you try and portray the slashdot community as.
yeah, i'm gonna shut up and let you take care of it all. bullshit.
ummm...you couldn't have picked a better "theoretical" example.
details are a little different, but it happened almost just like you postulated (except it's with the compression algorithm in the gifs...Unisys has a patent on that).
xml rocks. every piece of online information should be in xml. usability on the web is horrible right now. the fact that search engines and yahoo-style directories are the main entrances to the web is horrific. the fact that google can't find me a single page on gkrellm (a kick-ass system monitor for linux) pisses me off to no end when i'm bored with my current skin. with everything in xml the extraction of data would be much simpler and therefore the interfaces to the web would be much more effective.
the current problem is that
lots of people know what xml is, but don't really know what to do with it.
the processing of xml data at this point is very intense. rendering an xml web page (or add in the scaling of images, too, and call it transcoding as ibm does) takes a lot of work on the server side and there's not currently a way for it to be rendered on the client-side (browsers don't support this yet).
i'm working on a solution and need help...so it's actually pretty smooth that this article came out in./ at this point.
in a huge blow to problems #1 and #2 above (as well as quite a few others), i am initiating the creation of Uberbia, the most open source of web sites. the backend is zope, which is a tres cool open source web application environment which can conveniently output its internal data as xml. what this allows is for information to be created in zope and stored in zope's native db format and served up as web pages (for instance) quickly, but then also output as xml. problem #2 solved. and when browsers can handle the xml...shove it out that way.
zope also allows for information to be very easily created and shared. this is one of the main goals of Uberbia.
the idea for Uberbia was born out of the fact that the Open Source community has been living in an environment of relatively closed content management on the internet. Sure, one could create a web page and post a HOWTO they just wrote. And then post a message to a relevant mailing list letting everyone know that resource is available. And then submit the HOWTO to the LDP and wait for it to be approved and posted on the LDP page. Uberbia will remove a lot of this hassle and allow the Open Source community to easily create and manage it's content. and the data will go into an xml-aware application. problem #1 solved, at least for the Open Source community. well, okay...so i'm still workin' on it, but it'll get solved, dammit.
on trying to figure out what i was talking about, Ethan (a friend and to-be-developer of Uberbia) wrote:
sounds to me like you want to build an open-content information space. am I totally off-base? Bring "source" up to the next level of abstraction? Collaborative environments of information?
yup. he gets it. but the possibilities that arise from having such a body of contributors and open content in xml are insane. for example, imagine turning on a "newbie" feature in Uberbia that automagically inserted links to the proper entry in the jargon file for every word that was defined there. not difficult with zope and the data in xml
so, essentially i'm responding to this ask slashdot question by calling out for help with an open source project that wants to solve this problem and others. some work has been done, but there's a lot more to do. sourceforge is graciously both hosting the development of this and hosting the project itself. if you are interested at all in the development of something like this or have some really smooth-ass ideas, let me know or join the mailing list.
i think this is representative of where most of the fear about y2k is coming from: no one really knows what's gonna happen. who woulda thunk that the water coming out of your faucet wouldn't be y2k compliant?
i think robin's main point here was very well thought out and spoken: we need to treat events like this one as learning experiences and grow up as a community.
he missed one huge point, though, which has been gnawing at me for some time: slashdot has an insane amount of power, which can be abused. yeah, only a tiny portion of the content of/. is posted as headlines, but it is those headlines that attract attention to a topic and essentially guide the community.
even in an anarchistic society such as the internet and (to a lesser extent) slashdot, people can be influenced. and right now slashdot has a lot of power to influence.
for a good reason slashdot can't and doesn't post everyone's "pet projects". i have had articles accepted and rejected. when i have had my articles rejected in the past i have wondered why my contribution wasn't considered "News". slashdot has the power to make or break a project. that's a lot of power...being able to decide what and what isn't news. and it's frightening to me.
Bruce's comment wouldn't have gotten nearly the attention it got had the article not been posted on slashdot. the main question that arises (at least for me) is whether it should have been posted at all. i personally am not subbed to the debian-legal mailing list. was his comment of importance enough that i should have even known that he made the comment? i don't think so. not that i think there should be censorship on slashdot, but that drawing too much attention to one person's angered comments on an "obscure" mailing list is dangerous.
there has been an increase in the amount of power which can be wielded in our community, and i believe that will grow exponentially in the future, as more "real world" interest is shown in OSS. we have been dealing with that newfound power pretty well up until now, but this "incident" makes me wonder if we're ready for it.
i think one powerful and necessary addition to/. would be an open-ended discussion of slashdot itself. a section, right alongside the rest, where issues relating to slashdot and the community can be discussed without forcing people to tack on off-topic posts to articles...venting their frustrations or love of slashdot.
if someone has a problem with how slashdot is doing something, they should be able to have their voice heard.
doing a quick port scan of this box i discovered that nothings running on it!!. all it is is a win box running a web server that delivers 2 (broken) web pages. no other services are running on it...not smtp, ftp, pop3, nothing but a shoddy web server.
that's like me saying "there's a box sitting in my house running scorched earth on top of dos. it has a ppp connection that is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx. i bet you can't break into it. ha! dos is secure!!!"
bullshit i tell you.
this is what'll happen: no one will be able to crack it because there's nothing to crack and micros~1 will spew forth endless marketing hype about how secure win2k is...then admins all over the world will install actual services on it and win2k boxen will be cracked like it's goin' outta style.
it's pathetic. they are creating false security in the eyes of potential users of their product.
one interesting thing of note:
$ telnet windows2000test.com 25 Trying 207.46.171.196... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
now exactly what is the definition of a firewall again?
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Rob blogged both these issues yesterday.
Ummm...you do realize that says monthly, right? I live in Arkansas and I figure that as paying for itself in less than 8 months and saving over 6 million a year after that.
Actually LaBrea is a honeypot that refuses to release connections once they're open. So, it's not really the same at all, but it might slow down some worms if they were poorly coded.
Nice cut-and-paste job.
You have been putting 100% of your time into the testsuite, haven't you? :P
Novell Inc. says the 1995 agreement governing SCO's purchase of Unix System V from Novell doesn't convey copyrights. What's your response?M
We certainly have a point of contention regarding their interpretation of that contract. We have statements from all the major parties that were involved in that contract that all the business and IP-related property of Unix and UnixWare was transferred to SCO. I think this is just a desperate act on their part to curry favor with the Linux community.
So, what you're saying is that, obviously, the distribution needs to change it's name to Chinstrap Linux.
sourceforge provides more than just web hosting.
GPL
2.b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
and back up to 1.:
You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee.
So, you could charge $250 for support (warranty), but that wouldn't be an infringement on the original author's IP.
and free transmeta chips for all!!!!!!!!!!!!
wheeee!!!!!
take the Cathedral and the Bazaar, do a code fork and replace all the text with the Circus Midget and the Fossilized Dinosaur Turd.
You can preach to the choir on slashdot all you like, but nothing will be accomplished and you will have learned nothing.
i apologize. i didn't know that you were as involved as you were in the Hooters, Inc. v Hooters of America, Inc. trademark dispute. obviously i'm underqualified to continue any further discussion on the matter.
- Uberdog
damn. i'd put some money on them being the first to market on any nanotech.
Dr. Ralph Merkle, crypto-god, is now working for them and no doubt played a big part in getting this funding for nanotech (which Zyvex will no doubt see some of). - Uberdog
Several of use who are fighting the fight for real patent reform have had our battles made more difficult, not less, by the conduct of those who randomly assault the USPTO without cause. Such remarks ultimately (and properly) get ignored, and the Office begins to turn a deaf ear to all arguments made for change -- even when they are sound.
so you're saying that by the slashdot community (who is obviously not fighting any sort of real battle for patent reform and is horribly uneducated in this matter) discussing it in an open forum, we're reducing the possibility of change?!?
that's even more closed-minded than you try and portray the slashdot community as.
yeah, i'm gonna shut up and let you take care of it all. bullshit.
- Uberdog
details are a little different, but it happened almost just like you postulated (except it's with the compression algorithm in the gifs...Unisys has a patent on that).
http://burnallgifs.org/
- Uberdog
xml rocks. every piece of online information should be in xml. usability on the web is horrible right now. the fact that search engines and yahoo-style directories are the main entrances to the web is horrific. the fact that google can't find me a single page on gkrellm (a kick-ass system monitor for linux) pisses me off to no end when i'm bored with my current skin. with everything in xml the extraction of data would be much simpler and therefore the interfaces to the web would be much more effective.
the current problem is that
i'm working on a solution and need help...so it's actually pretty smooth that this article came out in ./ at this point.
in a huge blow to problems #1 and #2 above (as well as quite a few others), i am initiating the creation of Uberbia, the most open source of web sites. the backend is zope, which is a tres cool open source web application environment which can conveniently output its internal data as xml. what this allows is for information to be created in zope and stored in zope's native db format and served up as web pages (for instance) quickly, but then also output as xml. problem #2 solved. and when browsers can handle the xml...shove it out that way.
zope also allows for information to be very easily created and shared. this is one of the main goals of Uberbia.
the idea for Uberbia was born out of the fact that the Open Source community has been living in an environment of relatively closed content management on the internet. Sure, one could create a web page and post a HOWTO they just wrote. And then post a message to a relevant mailing list letting everyone know that resource is available. And then submit the HOWTO to the LDP and wait for it to be approved and posted on the LDP page. Uberbia will remove a lot of this hassle and allow the Open Source community to easily create and manage it's content. and the data will go into an xml-aware application. problem #1 solved, at least for the Open Source community. well, okay...so i'm still workin' on it, but it'll get solved, dammit.
on trying to figure out what i was talking about, Ethan (a friend and to-be-developer of Uberbia) wrote:
sounds to me like you want to build an open-content information space. am I totally off-base? Bring "source" up to the next level of abstraction? Collaborative environments of information?
yup. he gets it. but the possibilities that arise from having such a body of contributors and open content in xml are insane. for example, imagine turning on a "newbie" feature in Uberbia that automagically inserted links to the proper entry in the jargon file for every word that was defined there. not difficult with zope and the data in xml
so, essentially i'm responding to this ask slashdot question by calling out for help with an open source project that wants to solve this problem and others. some work has been done, but there's a lot more to do. sourceforge is graciously both hosting the development of this and hosting the project itself. if you are interested at all in the development of something like this or have some really smooth-ass ideas, let me know or join the mailing list.
i hope some of that made sense.
word, Uberdog
Can someone put up a mirror of the Auckland Airport page before it got fixed. Picturing the "100" there is almost funny enough.
i think this is representative of where most of the fear about y2k is coming from: no one really knows what's gonna happen. who woulda thunk that the water coming out of your faucet wouldn't be y2k compliant?
makes me think of Nightfall by Issac Asimov.
i think robin's main point here was very well thought out and spoken: we need to treat events like this one as learning experiences and grow up as a community.
he missed one huge point, though, which has been gnawing at me for some time: slashdot has an insane amount of power, which can be abused. yeah, only a tiny portion of the content of /. is posted as headlines, but it is those headlines that attract attention to a topic and essentially guide the community.
even in an anarchistic society such as the internet and (to a lesser extent) slashdot, people can be influenced. and right now slashdot has a lot of power to influence.
for a good reason slashdot can't and doesn't post everyone's "pet projects". i have had articles accepted and rejected. when i have had my articles rejected in the past i have wondered why my contribution wasn't considered "News". slashdot has the power to make or break a project. that's a lot of power...being able to decide what and what isn't news. and it's frightening to me.
Bruce's comment wouldn't have gotten nearly the attention it got had the article not been posted on slashdot. the main question that arises (at least for me) is whether it should have been posted at all. i personally am not subbed to the debian-legal mailing list. was his comment of importance enough that i should have even known that he made the comment? i don't think so. not that i think there should be censorship on slashdot, but that drawing too much attention to one person's angered comments on an "obscure" mailing list is dangerous.
there has been an increase in the amount of power which can be wielded in our community, and i believe that will grow exponentially in the future, as more "real world" interest is shown in OSS. we have been dealing with that newfound power pretty well up until now, but this "incident" makes me wonder if we're ready for it.
i think one powerful and necessary addition to /. would be an open-ended discussion of slashdot itself. a section, right alongside the rest, where issues relating to slashdot and the community can be discussed without forcing people to tack on off-topic posts to articles...venting their frustrations or love of slashdot.
if someone has a problem with how slashdot is doing something, they should be able to have their voice heard.
doing a quick port scan of this box i discovered that nothings running on it!!. all it is is a win box running a web server that delivers 2 (broken) web pages. no other services are running on it...not smtp, ftp, pop3, nothing but a shoddy web server.
that's like me saying "there's a box sitting in my house running scorched earth on top of dos. it has a ppp connection that is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx. i bet you can't break into it. ha! dos is secure!!!"
bullshit i tell you.
this is what'll happen: no one will be able to crack it because there's nothing to crack and micros~1 will spew forth endless marketing hype about how secure win2k is...then admins all over the world will install actual services on it and win2k boxen will be cracked like it's goin' outta style.
it's pathetic. they are creating false security in the eyes of potential users of their product.
one interesting thing of note:
$ telnet windows2000test.com 25
Trying 207.46.171.196...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
now exactly what is the definition of a firewall again?
- Uberdog