I'll have to look for those, I usually go to those through links from otherplaces, will try and find few. One that comes to mind now is http://www.anbaar.com , it's a gathering of anti-americans and Islamic extremists who call to fight the US in Iraq. There are many more that are more generic. Will try and get you a couple. Just not now, I gotta go ZzZzzz.
there is a difference between expressing anger and calling for killing everyone who has different views than yours. That's the kind of hate I was talking about.
however in the culture I came from, ppl. tend to bond in groups that act as an individual. For example, tribal ties are so strong, that if a tribe member got into a fight somewhere, you find the entire tribe fight with him even if other tribe members don't agree with the cause of the fight, they fight just because he's a member of their same tribe.
And recently I took a look at some heated online debates about the U.S. in Iraq and wether or not Saddam was a better solution than having the U.S. in. Person A sais "saddam was a murderor, destroied Iraq, got it into 3 wars span 30 years in total. A reply from person B was:"Well, at least he is Iraqi"
you see what I mean, JUST BECAUSE he's Iraqi, it's ok and better than the U.S. or any other nationality. and That's the reason I used "group" because groups in that part of the world act as one single entity with identical views and actions/stands.
I sometimes browse around some so called "islamic" webistes to see what they are talking about, some of them are genuinly religious with moderate tone and basically teaching ppl. about Islam or offering services like prayer times and Qura'an lessons and other usefull/intresting stuff.
HOWEVER, recently I've witnessed the influx of HATE sites claiming to be "islamic" sites. The preech hate and praise desruction. I'm all for free speech, but the freedom of a group or indivduals aren't absolute, and it shouldn't infringe or in anyway threaten the freedoms of others. In these sites they are calling for attacks on western intrests everywhere. They cheer for teh killing of westerners and/or Chrstians and calling for more acts like teh ones we saw in Saudi. I think the freedom of speech those ppl. have should be revoked because they very grossly abused.
bare in mind I'm a Muslim, and I'm not flaming Islam or have any hidden agenda.
I took a similar secondary school exam in Iraq. You whole Future (and past) rests on 8 subjects examination. 3 hours per subject, one subject a day.
if you get high marks, you get into Engineering or Med. school, i.e. big bukcs. If get low marks you get into "community colleges" i.e. no money. I wish we had something like what India has now back then, that would have saved me teh 4 sleepless nights I had when I heared the results are out in 5 days:|
p.s.: if you are curious, I got 93% in the examination and got into Computer Engineering. This was 8 years ago.
2 days ago a friend sent me a link to some SCO page (for comic value, nothing is actully usefull in there), the moment I hit go on my browser, my connection dies and the red led on the modem goes on (indicates a disconenction). I never thought that my ISP actully dropping the connection of anyone who requests anything from SCO.com.
not sure which debate you mean:)... there are few of them that I saw so far.
And yes, we need some fsf org for the middle east. And coming soon, osiraq.org (Open Source Iraq) a Portal/Hub for Open Source development resources in Iraq:).
I wanted my post to be "Lite", since it's a very political issue (or at least this how it was made by many posters here) and I wanted to have at least minimal focus on technical/economic aspect of having Linux/OS in Iraq. So I used an unformal language:-)
by the way, most Iraqis have access to western media in teh form of movies and music, so we have an idea of the hip-hop and l33tspeack;-).
sorry I don't really understand what you meant in your comment.
however I'll just toss in some info hope it helps u understand better.
What I meant in English not being a factor (and I refered to an excellent Article posted on iraqilinux.org) is that communication between me and you and the rest of English speaking, technical world will not be obstructed by language barrier. I can undertsnad what your saying and you can understand what I say.
Also, as you may very well know, almost all system's development is done in English-like programming langauge and development platform. this is where the hardwork is done. The presentation layer of our systems (say for example webpages for our end users) needs to have Arabic (Iraqis speak Arabic as their native langauge) support.
what we are trying to do in Iraqilinux.org (and soon osiraq.org, an Iraqi open source movement portal) is to build bridges to link us to teh rest of teh world. Iraqis out side Iraq, like myself, specially that I left not too long ago have an opportunity since we know how things back there, and we educated ourselves with modern technology through our interaction with the western socity/technology/etc. And since we want to build bridges and establish links to different ppl. in different parts of teh world, English language is the langauge most of the occupants of this globe can communicate with, so our Portal is in English. We already know arabic, and there are 10,000 Arabic sites preaches and teaches and explains how to arabize, we are not intrested in re-inventing the wheel:-).
if you could point out what make you feel I was trolling here I'd really appreciate it, although this story became kinda old now;)... you are allways welcomed to comment on any issue regadring our portal(s) you can allways join us at iraqilinux.org
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here's a google cache of one other site. Sorry it's all arabic. It's not very extreme, but they got some extrem views that makes me wonder.
I'll have to look for those, I usually go to those through links from otherplaces, will try and find few. One that comes to mind now is http://www.anbaar.com , it's a gathering of anti-americans and Islamic extremists who call to fight the US in Iraq. There are many more that are more generic. Will try and get you a couple. Just not now, I gotta go ZzZzzz.
there is a difference between expressing anger and calling for killing everyone who has different views than yours. That's the kind of hate I was talking about.
true,
:"Well, at least he is Iraqi"
however in the culture I came from, ppl. tend to bond in groups that act as an individual. For example, tribal ties are so strong, that if a tribe member got into a fight somewhere, you find the entire tribe fight with him even if other tribe members don't agree with the cause of the fight, they fight just because he's a member of their same tribe.
And recently I took a look at some heated online debates about the U.S. in Iraq and wether or not Saddam was a better solution than having the U.S. in. Person A sais "saddam was a murderor, destroied Iraq, got it into 3 wars span 30 years in total. A reply from person B was
you see what I mean, JUST BECAUSE he's Iraqi, it's ok and better than the U.S. or any other nationality. and That's the reason I used "group" because groups in that part of the world act as one single entity with identical views and actions/stands.
at least with Islam you're pretty safe unless you're from Israel or the US or white in Iraq, Xtians are out to kill EVERYONE different.
:( .... they kill Iraqis and claim they work for the U.S., making them legitimate tragets for extremists.
LoL!
well, I don't think that covers Iraqis anymore
The bottom line is, extremisim is wrong whatever the subject is.
to me, he looks weird, and I'm a Muslim btw :P ...
I sometimes browse around some so called "islamic" webistes to see what they are talking about, some of them are genuinly religious with moderate tone and basically teaching ppl. about Islam or offering services like prayer times and Qura'an lessons and other usefull/intresting stuff.
HOWEVER, recently I've witnessed the influx of HATE sites claiming to be "islamic" sites. The preech hate and praise desruction. I'm all for free speech, but the freedom of a group or indivduals aren't absolute, and it shouldn't infringe or in anyway threaten the freedoms of others. In these sites they are calling for attacks on western intrests everywhere. They cheer for teh killing of westerners and/or Chrstians and calling for more acts like teh ones we saw in Saudi. I think the freedom of speech those ppl. have should be revoked because they very grossly abused.
bare in mind I'm a Muslim, and I'm not flaming Islam or have any hidden agenda.
take a look at his picture
and I thought pr0n webmasters were weird looking.
no offense to pr0n webmasters.
Shoot first, get answers later.
I took a similar secondary school exam in Iraq. You whole Future (and past) rests on 8 subjects examination. 3 hours per subject, one subject a day.
:|
if you get high marks, you get into Engineering or Med. school, i.e. big bukcs. If get low marks you get into "community colleges" i.e. no money. I wish we had something like what India has now back then, that would have saved me teh 4 sleepless nights I had when I heared the results are out in 5 days
p.s.: if you are curious, I got 93% in the examination and got into Computer Engineering. This was 8 years ago.
how's is it redundant? I was the 3rd poster here :( .... READ MY SIG..DAMN IT :(
i.e. 1 month before the release of Longhorn.
with all the viruses, worms and spyware/adware spreading around these days, ppl. need such computing power to play solitaire with no lag O_o.
2 days ago a friend sent me a link to some SCO page (for comic value, nothing is actully usefull in there), the moment I hit go on my browser, my connection dies and the red led on the modem goes on (indicates a disconenction). I never thought that my ISP actully dropping the connection of anyone who requests anything from SCO.com.
;)
if you are a sympatico.ca subscriber, try it
ciao
You may want to check this interview out before submitting questions to Adam to aviod repetition.
I found answers to most of the questions asked here in that article. It's a good read. Enjoy.
inot it's not, it's still there :) .. didn't blink once :)
I'm not IN Iraq, but I'm a member of the Iraqi Linux Group, and I'm 27.
:-)
hopfully will go there sometime soon
True :) ... and there are others as well, all mentioned in the Link I posted.
first, it's Arabic not Persian the offical language in Iraq.
:)
and here is an answer for you
not sure which debate you mean :) ... there are few of them that I saw so far.
:).
:-)
And yes, we need some fsf org for the middle east. And coming soon, osiraq.org (Open Source Iraq) a Portal/Hub for Open Source development resources in Iraq
Thanx Wolf!
Thank you for clearing things out for me.
:-)
;-).
I wanted my post to be "Lite", since it's a very political issue (or at least this how it was made by many posters here) and I wanted to have at least minimal focus on technical/economic aspect of having Linux/OS in Iraq. So I used an unformal language
by the way, most Iraqis have access to western media in teh form of movies and music, so we have an idea of the hip-hop and l33tspeack
Thanks again Wolfbone.
Thing is, Iraq got the resources, $$$ isn't an issue here. Which is more a problem rather than a good thing when it comes to Linux/OS ;)
sorry I don't really understand what you meant in your comment.
:-).
;) ... you are allways welcomed to comment on any issue regadring our portal(s) you can allways join us at iraqilinux.org
however I'll just toss in some info hope it helps u understand better.
What I meant in English not being a factor (and I refered to an excellent Article posted on iraqilinux.org) is that communication between me and you and the rest of English speaking, technical world will not be obstructed by language barrier. I can undertsnad what your saying and you can understand what I say.
Also, as you may very well know, almost all system's development is done in English-like programming langauge and development platform. this is where the hardwork is done. The presentation layer of our systems (say for example webpages for our end users) needs to have Arabic (Iraqis speak Arabic as their native langauge) support.
what we are trying to do in Iraqilinux.org (and soon osiraq.org, an Iraqi open source movement portal) is to build bridges to link us to teh rest of teh world. Iraqis out side Iraq, like myself, specially that I left not too long ago have an opportunity since we know how things back there, and we educated ourselves with modern technology through our interaction with the western socity/technology/etc. And since we want to build bridges and establish links to different ppl. in different parts of teh world, English language is the langauge most of the occupants of this globe can communicate with, so our Portal is in English. We already know arabic, and there are 10,000 Arabic sites preaches and teaches and explains how to arabize, we are not intrested in re-inventing the wheel
if you could point out what make you feel I was trolling here I'd really appreciate it, although this story became kinda old now
ciao 4 now.
yes you got a point there :) ....
....
I still beleive there could be mutual benefit for both US economy and Iraq from using Open Source software
we'll have to wait and see.