Debian, Red Hat, SUSE, damn, even Mandrake if I have to. A lot of the times at work I have no say over what distro gets loaded (and yes, I've done gentoo before), so I work with a wide variety.
And don't tell my you tan make a tarball or iso of your existing installation - I can do that with any distro too.
Installing isn't the issue here, administration is. And I would dare say setting up your services on an existing (fresh install or not) would count as part of administration.
How quickly can you setup file/print/mail/dns/dhcp/ect. services on Gentoo?
I'm not dissing Gentoo, but I have yet see some administration tools that match for example YaST2.
Just yesterday morning, setup a domain controller, with mail, print, file, fax, dhcp, dns, services, without touching a config file. After a fresh install, this took me all of 20 minutes.
I believed the question was about administration, not what your fav fanboy-itch-scratchin' distro was.
By the time you start compiling your kernel before you even boot gentoo the first time, I'll have my users working on a file/print/mail server already.
No, it does rely on the motherboard/BIOS. The difference is that Intel makes motherboards too, and they set the standard. There are Pentium-III and Pentium-4 motherboards out there that don't have support for the thermal protection features, and I've seen both Pentium-III and Pentium-4 CPUs toast without even removing the heatsink.
"* the pentium M looks a lot like the p4 on paper, but is actually closer to the pIII in architecture."
Don't forget to mention that, cycle for cycle, and often at much lower clockspeeds, the last P-III chips are much more powerfull than the P4.
So flame me. I'm sitting looking at two mail servers, each with a mail queue of about 7000mails, scanning it for virus ans spam, and submitting it to the ISP's relay.
One is a Coppermine P-III 1ghz, 512mb PC100 RAM. The other is a P4 2.5ghz, 512mb DDR400. Both have identical SCSI controllers, discs, Intel server nics, and they feed the mail through the same connection, both run the same OS and same versions of all the relevant software, so I would say it's fair play.
Guess which queue is getting smaller quicker? Yeah, the P-III.
Oh, I lied. It's not fair play. The P-III is running my desktop too.
They may be slow when compared on paper to today's beasts, but even a lowly P-II 233 can bee surprisingly responsive if you equip it well enough. One of my clients has P-II 233 with 640mb ram, a 7200rpm disc with 8mb cache, nVidia GeForce2 GTS graphics card, and proper hardware based sound and network controllers. Running WindowsXP with Office 2003 that machine doesn't make you wait during normal office use. Yeay, you won't use it for media apps or serious gaming, but for the vast majority of office users, that packs more punch than they could ever need.
That demo was deceptive. The AMD chips had the necessary functions to protect themselves provided the motherboard supports it. Problem was that no manufacturer bothered to include it, but it was available on a PCI card.
If I'm not mistaken, then already AMD said that the warranty on your chip is void if it burns out and you weren't using a board that meets the AMD themal protection specs. If I remember correctly Tom's Hardware even had a scan of the relevant document on their site.
Oh, and by the way, even a P-II core celeron will instantly burn out if you remove it's heatsink. It won't go up in smoke, it doesn't get hot enough, but it get's hot enough to break the CPU. I sold my old Celeron 500mhz chip to a dumbass who thought he could prove to an AMD fan buddy of his that the Intel CPU could take the heat. Guess what? It couldn't.
Not to mention that sound quality in vorbis is quite a bit better than mp3.
Either ways, abuddy of mine showed me mp3-pro when it came out. Now, I haven't seen the specs on it, don't know what it actually does, so I might be speaking out of my arse.
But it sounded pretty OK on his PC. I was half impressed even. Now, he had a new P4 (2ghz was the stuff back then) with crappy onboard intel sound and a crappy woofer + "sattelites" speakers. I took the winamp plugin home and some of the mp3s he gave me, and played it bakc on my system (SBlive! and a decent amp+speakers). Guess what? It shounded shit.
I think mp3 pro merely filters out some of the nasty artifacts you get when encoding at 64kbit. Most notably midrange was completely absent. Which explains why it sounded OK on his system -because he doens't have mid-range to start with.
I won't be surprised if this is a similar trick too. Getting six channels of audio into half the space of 2 and still make an improvement on the sound quality without breaking compatibility sounds just a little too good to be true.
Just noticed that ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.2 doesn't contain anything yet. It usually takes about a month after the box set is released before the FTP goes up.
Well, there are three live evaluations versions, one with KDE, one with Gnome and one DVD with I assume both.
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/live-cd-9.2/
Then you can head over to ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.2 and install over ftp, or download that hole directory, stick it on a hard disc or on your network somewhere and install from there.
And that's the pro version, by the way.
The only thing you can't get so far are the iso images, but I'm willing to bet that's going to change at some time.
"A continent can not survive with 20-40% of it's workforce dying."
Of course it can. Europe survived the plague?
Africa is overpopulated or overpopulating (depending on which way you see it). In every single country in Africa, the largest part of the population is unemployed. And it's not getting any better.
In the history of the world, some or other natural disaster/plague/disease has always kept population under control. I don't think AIDS is any different (although I do have my doubts as to how "natural" AIDS' origin is).
Big problem we have here in S.A. is the way racism has increased [yes: INCREASED] since the ANC came into power. The race card is being used for everything you can imagine, and the president is setting the worst example and being the worst racist imaginable.
Recently some report on AIDS statistics (can't remember the details) by a group doing aid work, was interpreted by our president (who by the way studied at Oxford, so presumably has a clear understanding of the Enlish language) as follows: White people/the West see black men as savages who have a culture of rape.
Now where he pulled that from, I can't even begin to imagine. Yes, there are many more black people in S.A. who are HIV positive, but then, there are roughly 10 times as many black people in S.A. as white people, so it goes without saying.
How can the country ever get over its past if the president keeps holding on to it?
My mom lives in the north Botswana. I often visit friends in Windhoek, Namibia. In both places, in the middle of the winter, I can sit outside at six in the morning, with nothing but my shorts on, and enjoy my coffee. Where my mom lives summer days are almost always over 40 C.
Around Cape Town summer days (dry summers) often reach above 40 C - not unusual at all.
In some parts in the world it does actually get that hot. Ever been to Africa? How is 32C on an avarage winter's afternoon for you? Now just imagine the summer...
Anyways, I've ony ever touched an Athlon64 once. It was a 3000+ and ran 28C at idle. Granted, room temperature was 25C (office aircon). Don't know what it would do in a hotter room.
Room temperature can make an enormous difference. My PC at home is a 2400+ AthlonXP, which ran at about 45C all winter under full load - room temperature is cold, below 15C. Now with summer approaching, it's already in the 50s. Guess I'll have to invest in a proper Thermaltake or something...
Seriously. The DCMA is designed only to take your rights away. If you paid for a song you should be able to do whatever the hell you like with it as far is private use go.
If you want to play it on your toaster which uses a different file format, you should be allowed to convert it freely.
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Debian, Red Hat, SUSE, damn, even Mandrake if I have to. A lot of the times at work I have no say over what distro gets loaded (and yes, I've done gentoo before), so I work with a wide variety.
And don't tell my you tan make a tarball or iso of your existing installation - I can do that with any distro too.
Installing isn't the issue here, administration is. And I would dare say setting up your services on an existing (fresh install or not) would count as part of administration.
How quickly can you setup file/print/mail/dns/dhcp/ect. services on Gentoo?
I'm not dissing Gentoo, but I have yet see some administration tools that match for example YaST2.
Just yesterday morning, setup a domain controller, with mail, print, file, fax, dhcp, dns, services, without touching a config file. After a fresh install, this took me all of 20 minutes.
That's administration tools for you.
You are obviously ver inexperienced or spoiled by gentoo's portage system.
Real sysadmins can avoid dependancy hell, even in old Red Hat betas
from the Debian/BSD page:
"(last updated 6th October 2002)"
real quick on updates, heh?
"Gentoo is quick to patch security problems"
Excpet applying the patches isn't so quick, no? Imagine your P-I sendmail server (there are plenty of those around):
"security update your sendmail"
"Oh wait, I'm still compiling the previous updated sendmail"
Rapid updates? To 2.4? Yeah, and they update 2.2 even more often...
I believed the question was about administration, not what your fav fanboy-itch-scratchin' distro was.
By the time you start compiling your kernel before you even boot gentoo the first time, I'll have my users working on a file/print/mail server already.
I think he meant a single board with 4 CPUs on.
No, it does rely on the motherboard/BIOS. The difference is that Intel makes motherboards too, and they set the standard. There are Pentium-III and Pentium-4 motherboards out there that don't have support for the thermal protection features, and I've seen both Pentium-III and Pentium-4 CPUs toast without even removing the heatsink.
"* the pentium M looks a lot like the p4 on paper, but is actually closer to the pIII in architecture."
Don't forget to mention that, cycle for cycle, and often at much lower clockspeeds, the last P-III chips are much more powerfull than the P4.
So flame me. I'm sitting looking at two mail servers, each with a mail queue of about 7000mails, scanning it for virus ans spam, and submitting it to the ISP's relay.
One is a Coppermine P-III 1ghz, 512mb PC100 RAM. The other is a P4 2.5ghz, 512mb DDR400. Both have identical SCSI controllers, discs, Intel server nics, and they feed the mail through the same connection, both run the same OS and same versions of all the relevant software, so I would say it's fair play.
Guess which queue is getting smaller quicker? Yeah, the P-III.
Oh, I lied. It's not fair play. The P-III is running my desktop too.
They may be slow when compared on paper to today's beasts, but even a lowly P-II 233 can bee surprisingly responsive if you equip it well enough. One of my clients has P-II 233 with 640mb ram, a 7200rpm disc with 8mb cache, nVidia GeForce2 GTS graphics card, and proper hardware based sound and network controllers. Running WindowsXP with Office 2003 that machine doesn't make you wait during normal office use. Yeay, you won't use it for media apps or serious gaming, but for the vast majority of office users, that packs more punch than they could ever need.
That demo was deceptive. The AMD chips had the necessary functions to protect themselves provided the motherboard supports it. Problem was that no manufacturer bothered to include it, but it was available on a PCI card.
If I'm not mistaken, then already AMD said that the warranty on your chip is void if it burns out and you weren't using a board that meets the AMD themal protection specs. If I remember correctly Tom's Hardware even had a scan of the relevant document on their site.
Oh, and by the way, even a P-II core celeron will instantly burn out if you remove it's heatsink. It won't go up in smoke, it doesn't get hot enough, but it get's hot enough to break the CPU. I sold my old Celeron 500mhz chip to a dumbass who thought he could prove to an AMD fan buddy of his that the Intel CPU could take the heat. Guess what? It couldn't.
Not to mention that sound quality in vorbis is quite a bit better than mp3.
Either ways, abuddy of mine showed me mp3-pro when it came out. Now, I haven't seen the specs on it, don't know what it actually does, so I might be speaking out of my arse.
But it sounded pretty OK on his PC. I was half impressed even. Now, he had a new P4 (2ghz was the stuff back then) with crappy onboard intel sound and a crappy woofer + "sattelites" speakers. I took the winamp plugin home and some of the mp3s he gave me, and played it bakc on my system (SBlive! and a decent amp+speakers). Guess what? It shounded shit.
I think mp3 pro merely filters out some of the nasty artifacts you get when encoding at 64kbit. Most notably midrange was completely absent. Which explains why it sounded OK on his system -because he doens't have mid-range to start with.
I won't be surprised if this is a similar trick too. Getting six channels of audio into half the space of 2 and still make an improvement on the sound quality without breaking compatibility sounds just a little too good to be true.
' Not when the alternative hasn't defined his own plans beyond "I'll do things better than he did." '
Doing things better is a given. Doing worse will be quite a challenge.
Just noticed that ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.2 doesn't contain anything yet. It usually takes about a month after the box set is released before the FTP goes up.
Well, there are three live evaluations versions, one with KDE, one with Gnome and one DVD with I assume both.
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/live-cd-9.2/
Then you can head over to ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.2 and install over ftp, or download that hole directory, stick it on a hard disc or on your network somewhere and install from there.
And that's the pro version, by the way.
The only thing you can't get so far are the iso images, but I'm willing to bet that's going to change at some time.
"A continent can not survive with 20-40% of it's workforce dying."
Of course it can. Europe survived the plague?
Africa is overpopulated or overpopulating (depending on which way you see it). In every single country in Africa, the largest part of the population is unemployed. And it's not getting any better.
In the history of the world, some or other natural disaster/plague/disease has always kept population under control. I don't think AIDS is any different (although I do have my doubts as to how "natural" AIDS' origin is).
Big problem we have here in S.A. is the way racism has increased [yes: INCREASED] since the ANC came into power. The race card is being used for everything you can imagine, and the president is setting the worst example and being the worst racist imaginable.
Recently some report on AIDS statistics (can't remember the details) by a group doing aid work, was interpreted by our president (who by the way studied at Oxford, so presumably has a clear understanding of the Enlish language) as follows:
White people/the West see black men as savages who have a culture of rape.
Now where he pulled that from, I can't even begin to imagine. Yes, there are many more black people in S.A. who are HIV positive, but then, there are roughly 10 times as many black people in S.A. as white people, so it goes without saying.
How can the country ever get over its past if the president keeps holding on to it?
Which country is this?
Curious to know - I'm a Southern African too....
My mom lives in the north Botswana. I often visit friends in Windhoek, Namibia. In both places, in the middle of the winter, I can sit outside at six in the morning, with nothing but my shorts on, and enjoy my coffee. Where my mom lives summer days are almost always over 40 C.
Around Cape Town summer days (dry summers) often reach above 40 C - not unusual at all.
In some parts in the world it does actually get that hot. Ever been to Africa? How is 32C on an avarage winter's afternoon for you? Now just imagine the summer...
Anyways, I've ony ever touched an Athlon64 once. It was a 3000+ and ran 28C at idle. Granted, room temperature was 25C (office aircon). Don't know what it would do in a hotter room.
Room temperature can make an enormous difference. My PC at home is a 2400+ AthlonXP, which ran at about 45C all winter under full load - room temperature is cold, below 15C. Now with summer approaching, it's already in the 50s. Guess I'll have to invest in a proper Thermaltake or something...
Another good reason to run Linux on an AMD :-)
Seriously. The DCMA is designed only to take your rights away. If you paid for a song you should be able to do whatever the hell you like with it as far is private use go.
If you want to play it on your toaster which uses a different file format, you should be allowed to convert it freely.
I want whatever you're smoking. Neither OS is anywhere close to 30 years old.
I doubt if the 760MPX can handle 333mhz FSB - I haven't checked if there were updated versions for the chipset though.
Windows cheap???
Must be. Maybe Microsoft still doesn't believe in the internet. Remember how they said the Internet was going to blow over?