Hey guys,
The image map plugin wasn't helix-ified in time for RealPlayer 10.0.0.
It was available with RealPlayer 8/9a for linux, one option is to download RP8/RP9a for linux, and point it at the url:
pnm://rx-wes-sea138.rbn.com/farm/*/usanet/usanet/g 2demand/scifi/battlestar/33/33.rm
The image map stuff is now helixified... I'll try to get something going for tomorrow's bleeding edge nightly build, which will show up on http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helix/builds/ under current.
Part of including RealPlayer in a distribution involves qualifying the player for that distribution -- making sure that mime type associations work, menu items appear, and distro-shipped libraries don't crash the player.
Some debian-based distributions like Xandros and Linspire have qualified.deb packages for their distribution, but no one from the debian community has come forward yet & provided packaging and testing for general debian.
Helix Player doesn't have these restrictions, and is available in the main debian repository.
Disclaimer - I work for RealNetworks on Helix Player / RealPlayer for linux
RealVideo 10 is definitely worth a look. There are players for Mac, Windows, Linux desktop, Linux Embedded, and Symbian. People can create additional players for new platforms in the Helix Community. RealAudio 10 comes in several flavours, including lossless and multichannel.
The producer apps page may be a good place to start if you want to try out the encoder.
The player doesn't claim the rpm extension. It does claim audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin mime type, which traditionally has an rpm extension. Some webservers serve redhat rpm packages as audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin instead of application/binary (or application/x-redhat-package-manager or whatever).
Because of this, rpm's will go to RealPlayer.
We work with the xiph guys. Helix Player is a great GPL-only player that plays back ogg theora and vorbis, and excludes binary only components like RA/RV. http://xiph.helixcommunity.org
Helix Player is in debian, with much thanks to Thomas Maurer. Debian can qualify the RealPlayer for inclusion in debian-nonfree -- join the helixcommunity for details.
Ogg support is available for the windows RealPlayer from http://xiph.helixcommunity.org. Unfortunately, the player won't autoinstall them for you, but you can copy them by hand.
There's a free software linux-based firmware for this device here: http://www.turtlehead.co.uk/downloads/Wmamp-0.3.zi p
Great hacking potential for putting something like helix on it, and taking the pc out of the picture altogether:)
wmamp.img: Linux Compressed ROM File System data
Sorry you had trouble getting in touch with the community. The best place to discuss player issues is the player development list, which you can subscribe to here.
We enthusiastically accept all help from the community. If you don't hear back from us, it's likely because we didn't get your message.
As to your comments on gtk-2.4, we're targeting gtk-2.0 as our development platform, as we need to be able to function on older versions of gnome.
Some of the gtk that is in gtk-2.0 is indeed deprecated in gtk-2.4, but it still exists. gtk 2.4 is binary backwards compatible with 2.0.
I've done much of the gtk work, both in the community with the helixcommunity guiplayer, and more recently as an employee of RealNetworks on the HelixPlayer. If you have concerns about the way we're using gtk, feel free to contact me at rgammon@real.com, or the player list at dev@player.helixcommunity.org
Check out the Helix Player, an open source Gtk-based player based on the same client core technology as RealPlayer 10 https://player.helixcommunity.org/
As others have mentioned in this thread, the core technologies behind RealNetwork's client, server, and producer projects have been released as an open source known as Helix. Details are available at helixcommunity.org
The Real codecs cannot be open sourced as explained here, but a variety of open source codecs and network transports are available in open source form, including ogg vorbis and smil.
The client core itself is fairly light weight, and currently runs on memory-constrained embedded devices like Nokia's series 60 cellphones
The client apps project contains a very basic player built on the core. The linux-based HelixPlayer project offers a more advanced player, though this player is still in development stages
Re: your codec comments, the helix client page has some technical information on the codecs. The latest helix client & player also supports the AAC audio format, as seen in iTunes among other places.
This is not the same helix player as the linux helix player. These are more basic test clients that are samples for developers working with the helix core.
DR5 (Developer Release 5) is a September 22, 2003 release of the client sample players, splay (no gui -- video window only), and helixplay (cross platform basic gui, uses motif on linux).
It does not include the hxplay, the gtk-based linux player.
You should register on helixcommunity.org, as that gives you access to the web support forums, mailing lists, and issue tracker.
But, if you insist on using a build from the
nightly builds download page, your best bet would be Table "Tarball for 01/15/04", row "linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586" column "HelixPlayer"
The platforms supported by the helix player are listed here.
Help is wanted for the powerpc port -- developers interested in porting should subscribe to the helix player developers list, dev@player.helixcommunity.org.
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There's a forum thread in the helix community on this: Summary of BattleStar Galactica issues
Hey guys, The image map plugin wasn't helix-ified in time for RealPlayer 10.0.0. It was available with RealPlayer 8/9a for linux, one option is to download RP8/RP9a for linux, and point it at the url: pnm://rx-wes-sea138.rbn.com/farm/*/usanet/usanet/g 2demand/scifi/battlestar/33/33.rm
The image map stuff is now helixified... I'll try to get something going for tomorrow's bleeding edge nightly build, which will show up on http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helix/builds/ under current.
Part of including RealPlayer in a distribution involves qualifying the player for that distribution -- making sure that mime type associations work, menu items appear, and distro-shipped libraries don't crash the player. Some debian-based distributions like Xandros and Linspire have qualified .deb packages for their distribution, but no one from the debian community has come forward yet & provided packaging and testing for general debian.
Helix Player doesn't have these restrictions, and is available in the main debian repository.
Disclaimer - I work for RealNetworks on Helix Player / RealPlayer for linux
RealVideo 10 is definitely worth a look. There are players for Mac, Windows, Linux desktop, Linux Embedded, and Symbian. People can create additional players for new platforms in the Helix Community. RealAudio 10 comes in several flavours, including lossless and multichannel.
The producer apps page may be a good place to start if you want to try out the encoder.
The player doesn't claim the rpm extension. It does claim audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin mime type, which traditionally has an rpm extension. Some webservers serve redhat rpm packages as audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin instead of application/binary (or application/x-redhat-package-manager or whatever). Because of this, rpm's will go to RealPlayer.
We work with the xiph guys. Helix Player is a great GPL-only player that plays back ogg theora and vorbis, and excludes binary only components like RA/RV. http://xiph.helixcommunity.org
Documentation on using the gtk helix widget
Info on our awesome mp3 decoder
mp3 codec source (fixed and floating point)
For the real scoop on licensing, contact the public mailing list open-licensing@helixcommunity.org. The parent post is largely incorrect.
Helix Player is in debian, with much thanks to Thomas Maurer. Debian can qualify the RealPlayer for inclusion in debian-nonfree -- join the helixcommunity for details.
http://helix.alioth.debian.org/http://packages.debian.org
Ogg support is available for the windows RealPlayer from http://xiph.helixcommunity.org. Unfortunately, the player won't autoinstall them for you, but you can copy them by hand.
oops, my mistake.
Source is here: http://www.turtlehead.co.uk/downloads/wmamp-snapsh ot.tar.gz
There's a free software linux-based firmware for this device here:i p :)
http://www.turtlehead.co.uk/downloads/Wmamp-0.3.z
Great hacking potential for putting something like helix on it, and taking the pc out of the picture altogether
wmamp.img: Linux Compressed ROM File System data
http://www.real.com/linux will take you to the linux page.
Hi Ricin,
Sorry you had trouble getting in touch with the community. The best place to discuss player issues is the player development list, which you can subscribe to here.
We enthusiastically accept all help from the community. If you don't hear back from us, it's likely because we didn't get your message.
As to your comments on gtk-2.4, we're targeting gtk-2.0 as our development platform, as we need to be able to function on older versions of gnome.
Some of the gtk that is in gtk-2.0 is indeed deprecated in gtk-2.4, but it still exists. gtk 2.4 is binary backwards compatible with 2.0.
I've done much of the gtk work, both in the community with the helixcommunity guiplayer, and more recently as an employee of RealNetworks on the HelixPlayer. If you have concerns about the way we're using gtk, feel free to contact me at rgammon@real.com, or the player list at dev@player.helixcommunity.org
https://player.helixcommunity.org/
Downloads are available here:
MS2.1 had problems playing back non-realaudio/realvideo datatypes -- if you need these, M2 is a better bet.
Nightly builds are also available -- see the player webpage for details.
As others have mentioned in this thread, the core technologies behind RealNetwork's client, server, and producer projects have been released as an open source known as Helix. Details are available at helixcommunity.org
There is a faq on the project here
The Real codecs cannot be open sourced as explained here, but a variety of open source codecs and network transports are available in open source form, including ogg vorbis and smil.
The client core itself is fairly light weight, and currently runs on memory-constrained embedded devices like Nokia's series 60 cellphones
The client apps project contains a very basic player built on the core. The linux-based HelixPlayer project offers a more advanced player, though this player is still in development stages
Helix Producer might be worth a look.
On linux, there's the open-source HelixPlayer project, which has recently had a Milestone 2 preview release.
I'd also add that the news page talks a lot about how helix is being used by our partners. Worth a read! https://www.helixcommunity.org/
To name the top few, in order of appearance:
The easiest way to get the source is here.
You want the "01/21/04" table, "source" row, "HelixPlayer" column.
You should be able to build this tarball by untarring it and typing make.
It'd also be a good idea to subscribe to the dev@player.helixcommunity.org mailing list here
You can also ask questions on irc.helixcommunity.org channel #player if you have feedback, or need a hand with the build system.
Hope to see you on the mailing lists!
Glad to hear Helix is a viable option! ;)
Re: your codec comments, the helix client page has some technical information on the codecs. The latest helix client & player also supports the AAC audio format, as seen in iTunes among other places.
As for DRM and devices, https://devicedrm.helixcommunity.org/ talks a bit about that.
This is not the same helix player as the linux helix player. These are more basic test clients that are samples for developers working with the helix core.
The download is here (requires helixcommunity.org registration, which you've done).
It is an installer that you can "chmod a+x" and run. rpm's and tarballs are coming soon.
The release notes for MS2 are here.
DR5 (Developer Release 5) is a September 22, 2003 release of the client sample players, splay (no gui -- video window only), and helixplay (cross platform basic gui, uses motif on linux).
It does not include the hxplay, the gtk-based linux player.
You should register on helixcommunity.org, as that gives you access to the web support forums, mailing lists, and issue tracker.
But, if you insist on using a build from the nightly builds download page, your best bet would be Table "Tarball for 01/15/04", row "linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586" column "HelixPlayer"
The platforms supported by the helix player are listed here.
Help is wanted for the powerpc port -- developers interested in porting should subscribe to the helix player developers list, dev@player.helixcommunity.org.