But the pre-text was they were directly involved with Al Quaeda, which there was no indication. That coupled with supposedly trying to gain nuclear capability which they could pass on to Al Quaeda was why we invaded.
If Saddam was so bad then why was Bush trying to normalize relations with Khadaffi, somebody who protected known plane bombers and sponsored terrorist activities. Not to mention our "friends" in Saudi Arabia where most of the 9/11 bombers came from. The US government had a target in mind and they pushed forward the facts they wanted to hear to support it.
Hell Janet Reno was a pretty blood thirsty bitch too. Some of those women in power have bigger balls than some men, like Powell (who I respect deeply) but couldn't stand up to Bush and was forced to destroy his own credibility and the credibility of the US by presenting knowingly false or suspicious info to the UN to convince them we should invade Iraq.
That's meaningless. Many citizens are foreign born. Many of them came here as children. We're talking about H-1B guest workers.
From the data: In 2006, foreign students on temporary resident visas earned 32.0% of the doctorates
in the sciences, and 58.6% of the doctorates in engineering. In 2006, permanent resident status students earned 4.2% of the
doctorates in both the sciences and in engineering,
The majority of those getting high level degrees are the same one that need H1Bs to remain in the country.
Africans are amongst the most highly educated immigrant groups.
Like you say, there are people of all races domestically, and all races from foreign nations, yet foreign students group by group are performing better in domestic universities
Agreed. So why do you keep talking about it? Almost nobody else on this board is.
I included this because it disproves the popular racist myth (not so much on slashdot, but in the general US population that Asian and Indian visiting students are skewing the data by performing dispropportionately well in science and engineering.
Ah yes, the old degenerate American culture issue. I suppose before the H-1B visa program (a whopping 20 years ago), when there was no shortage of STEM people, Americans were ruthlessly dedicated to the science and math studies. How quickly we've degenerated! And of course this enormous influx of guest workers, and all the outsourcing, do nothing to discourage Americans from studying for STEM fields.
Technology is increasingly being integrated into daily human life. To keep up, there needs an increase in technical eduction. The US has world-class university learning and research facilities, which are ignored by domestic students and appreciated by foreign nationals. There is a tremendous waste of resources when rather making efforts to keep these highly intelligent and talented graduates in which we've invested huge resources into, people prefer to lock them out of the country to preserve jobs for domestic workers who weren't as motivated to gain the same level of knowledge and training. The system is prefers to keep the mediocre over the meritous.
That's meaningless. Many citizens are foreign born. Many of them came here as children. We're talking about H-1B guest workers.
No we are talking about foreign students who study at US universities on temporary visas. In 2006, foreign students on temporary resident visas earned 32.0% of the doctorates
in the sciences, and 58.6% of the doctorates in engineering. In 2006, permanent resident status students earned 4.2% of the
doctorates in both the sciences and in engineering, a slight change from the 2005 levels of 3.8%
in the sciences and 4.4% in engineering.
The students on temporary visas are going to be the ones who will need H1Bs as they don't have permanent residence.
Irrelevant to this discussion. You may have noted that Americans are available in wide variety of colors, as are guest workers.
And foreign visitors coming to study also come in a variety of colors, yet as a whole they are performing disproportionately better than the rainbow of domestic students.
Africans are amongst the most highly educated immigrant groups.
My point is, to dismiss the myth the general population believes that foreign Asians and Indians are all the ones who are overrepresented in science and engineering. It's students from foreign countries regardless of race who are outpeforming domestic students.
Ah yes, the old degenerate American culture issue. I suppose before the H-1B visa program (a whopping 20 years ago), when there was no shortage of STEM people, Americans were ruthlessly dedicated to the science and math studies. How quickly we've degenerated! And of course this enormous influx of guest workers, and all the outsourcing, do nothing to discourage Americans from studying for STEM fields.
You don't see the issue when the US has a world class system for university education and research work, those resources are increasingly being used to train foreign students, who people think we should kick back to where they came from because they take jobs from Americans who couldn't be bothered to reach the same level of education.
It isn't even an exhastive list of restrictions. The 9th Amendment states, there's stuff we haven't thought of, but that doesn't mean they aren't fundamental rights.
Game like Angry Birds teach young children basic physics, which as you know can eventually lead them to develop more dangerous projectiles capable of overthrowing our government with ICBMs launced from a slingshot. We must stop teaching them physics and teach them the Bible while they are young
Romans 13:1-5
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
Have you looked at the data? 33% of those who earn engineering degrees in the US are foreign born. The highest racial group earning these degrees is white, followed strongly by temporary foreign residents. Even foreign born Africans, outpace minority American graduation rates in these fields. It's not a race issue, it's a cultural issue coupled with poor focus on engineering and science from K-12. In college when I looked around at my graduate research group, this information didn't really shock me. No wonder tech companies complain they need foreign visas to get the best candidates. A huge number of those who have the skills are foreigners learning at universities in the US.
Back in early 2000 I remember working on a reflow oven on the production line. The CS guy was messing with the system to report MTBA/MTBE data. After the upgrade the reflow profile tester was no longer working. He had no clue why, So I just went into microsoft (98 I think) troubleshooting mode. One of the things I checked out were the IRQ settings, and noticed there was a conflict. Then I noticed he had plugged in his old palm pilot into the machine to charge it. I pulled the plug on that, and no issues. His response was "Oh wow, they don't teach you that in school"
What projects outside of class did you participate in. You'll find those types of experiences are much more important than a high GPA in stuff you've been spoon fed. The most impressive candidates are ones who do well in school, but are also motivated enough to do things outside of the curriculum. From a practical view, employers want somebody who can solve new problems, like working on a university solar car project, run an auger tool lab to become the defacto "owner," and go to person for people needing data collection and interpretation. That not only shows the smarts but their ability apply and problem solve new ideas. I was very lucky to take an 8 month internship in San Jose, and because of the cost of living I slept on a friend's cousin's couch. But on the experience side, I helped design and improve a laser system used for hard drives. Because the company bought a crappy system I ran into a number of roadblocks that required some innovative thinking. I then was able to consistently deliver what the customers wanted, to the point where my mentor would just send people wanting experiments done to me and I was effictively the tool owner.. It was an incredible challenge trying to come up with novel ways to satisfy outrageous customer needs, but it created concrete proof that I was focused and adaptible enough to get things done. I chose not to join the company, but I got great letters of recommendation, and could honestly share interesting stories that the recruiting engineer could relate to. It showed my ambition to learn, how I approached problems, and my ability to come up with new ideas to deliver. Those types of interviews extremely revealing, and more interesting for the candidate and interviewer.
I wouldn't blame the anon 'tards because the level of insanity, stupidity, and insecurity that it would take to start a war over something so trivial means it
Wars between somewhat reasonable nations have started for much less. Trojan War - dude seduces the kings wife, Pig War - almost turned to armed conflict between the US and Britain because somebody's shot a pig. Flagstaff war - natives didn't like the flag the British raised and kept chopping it down until armed conflict arose. The many wars between the US, native Americans and Mexicans came about because somebody said "God wants us to dominate from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Spanish American war started because there was an explosion on the Maine with no evidence of Spanish involvement, but that led to an extension of manifest destiny that claimed the entire Western Hempishere was a protectorate of the US, and the nice little base outside of US borders called Guantanimo Bay. The invasion of Iraq was based on testimony from people whose political interest was to lie, shotty interpretation of facts, and disregard for what intelligence people on the ground said. The Football War sparked after a soccer riot, which one side called genocide and that war was the only way to stop the other. Honor, nationalism, political influence, and economics trumps rational thought
The poorest of US citizens are insanely better off than those starving in 3rd world countries.
The occupy Wall Street movement that represented the "bottom" 99% were actually just people on a global level who represented the top 4%.
Back to the conditions, when was the last time you saw a 5 year old on the side of the street picking through the trash, next to goats and livestock, looking for food and other items for their family? I see it nearly every day in Afghanistan
Even in relatively stable regions like Philippines and Thailand, living conditions were horrid. There was the banking/foreigner district that was just like any other western style city. But a few miles outside, you'd see the slums. You'd drive by people using their toilet which was a ditch by the side of the road, desperate people willing to give foreigners their children to provide them with a better life. I visited a British NGO school, where providing basic food substinance was key to fight hunger to allow kids to learn. It was painfully touching to see some of the children put a handful of rice in their pocket so they could go home and help feed their family. Security for business foreigners was top notch since they were the cash cows, meanwhile the majority were subject to police extortion or outright disregard.
Americans will get pissed off when theirs a spike in the cost of monitors, TVs and phones with LCD displayes as many major plants are within blowing up distance of North Korea. People freak out over $0.50 a gallon for gas. Regionaly disruption will cause a much greater impact on the technology we love.
Problem is that propaganda convices the disinterested into buying into the government kool-aid so thei freedom reduction policies get the appearance of legitimacy.
This "society" problem is actually generally not a problem for most other things.
The society problem is enormous for most things. This is especially true when you have a disinterested and/or uneducated populace which can be coerced by a passionately vocal minority. The whole corporate lobbying and campaign contributions would be a non-problem if the masses were interested enough to actively participate in political discussion and not just parrot the commercials they see on television.
It's pretty easy to work up the masses into a nationalistic frenzy so that the leadership doesn't come out looking like war mongering aggressors. Look through history, it's filled with wars started for dubious reasons. The Spanish American War, Football War, Flagstaff War, The War of Jenkins' Ear, etc.
Non-existent in the same way the cat in the box with the poison is still alive... or is it dead... do the WMD's still exist... or do they not...
Well non-existent in the sense that when you open the box there was no cat or poison. The receipt for the poison was a forgery, the cat hair came from a bear skin rug, and the witnesses who saw the person put the cat and poison in the box lied.
I'm guessing that a nuclear attack on SK is the only realistic chance the NK has of being able to do any serious damage.
This is a non-trivial problem that people who say "just wipe out NK" don't fully appreciate. Seoul is a city of over 10million less than 50 miles from the DMZ and is within range of thousands of conventional artillery pieces. Unless there is an incredibly coordinated plan, wiping out North Korea will probably mean sacrificing Seoul at the very least. Even if war goes perfectly, how will the vaccuum of leadership and millions of already near starving people be handled? Ideally there would be a unified Korea, but that would mean China would have to cede political influence which is not a given.
They aren't behaving by anyone's definition of "rational".
That's the biggest danger. Because they are acting irrationally, you can't expect them to react proportionally to any provocation. Rarely is there a single reason for a war, but stupid things can escalate tense situations into outright conflict. Tensions between Honduras and El Salvador turned to war over a stupid soccer riot. The actions of an outside party may or may not influence the ultimate outcome, but it does hurt attempts to diffuse the situation.
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But, but, I thought we were there to share democracy and free the people of Iraq from oppression so they would be our BFF forever.
Remember the Maine!
But the pre-text was they were directly involved with Al Quaeda, which there was no indication. That coupled with supposedly trying to gain nuclear capability which they could pass on to Al Quaeda was why we invaded.
If Saddam was so bad then why was Bush trying to normalize relations with Khadaffi, somebody who protected known plane bombers and sponsored terrorist activities. Not to mention our "friends" in Saudi Arabia where most of the 9/11 bombers came from.
The US government had a target in mind and they pushed forward the facts they wanted to hear to support it.
Hell Janet Reno was a pretty blood thirsty bitch too. Some of those women in power have bigger balls than some men, like Powell (who I respect deeply) but couldn't stand up to Bush and was forced to destroy his own credibility and the credibility of the US by presenting knowingly false or suspicious info to the UN to convince them we should invade Iraq.
That's meaningless. Many citizens are foreign born. Many of them came here as children. We're talking about H-1B guest workers.
From the data:
In 2006, foreign students on temporary resident visas earned 32.0% of the doctorates in the sciences, and 58.6% of the doctorates in engineering. In 2006, permanent resident status students earned 4.2% of the doctorates in both the sciences and in engineering,
The majority of those getting high level degrees are the same one that need H1Bs to remain in the country.
Africans are amongst the most highly educated immigrant groups.
Like you say, there are people of all races domestically, and all races from foreign nations, yet foreign students group by group are performing better in domestic universities
Agreed. So why do you keep talking about it? Almost nobody else on this board is.
I included this because it disproves the popular racist myth (not so much on slashdot, but in the general US population that Asian and Indian visiting students are skewing the data by performing dispropportionately well in science and engineering.
Ah yes, the old degenerate American culture issue. I suppose before the H-1B visa program (a whopping 20 years ago), when there was no shortage of STEM people, Americans were ruthlessly dedicated to the science and math studies. How quickly we've degenerated! And of course this enormous influx of guest workers, and all the outsourcing, do nothing to discourage Americans from studying for STEM fields.
Technology is increasingly being integrated into daily human life. To keep up, there needs an increase in technical eduction. The US has world-class university learning and research facilities, which are ignored by domestic students and appreciated by foreign nationals. There is a tremendous waste of resources when rather making efforts to keep these highly intelligent and talented graduates in which we've invested huge resources into, people prefer to lock them out of the country to preserve jobs for domestic workers who weren't as motivated to gain the same level of knowledge and training.
The system is prefers to keep the mediocre over the meritous.
That's meaningless. Many citizens are foreign born. Many of them came here as children. We're talking about H-1B guest workers.
No we are talking about foreign students who study at US universities on temporary visas.
In 2006, foreign students on temporary resident visas earned 32.0% of the doctorates in the sciences, and 58.6% of the doctorates in engineering.
In 2006, permanent resident status students earned 4.2% of the doctorates in both the sciences and in engineering, a slight change from the 2005 levels of 3.8% in the sciences and 4.4% in engineering.
The students on temporary visas are going to be the ones who will need H1Bs as they don't have permanent residence.
Irrelevant to this discussion. You may have noted that Americans are available in wide variety of colors, as are guest workers.
And foreign visitors coming to study also come in a variety of colors, yet as a whole they are performing disproportionately better than the rainbow of domestic students.
Africans are amongst the most highly educated immigrant groups.
My point is, to dismiss the myth the general population believes that foreign Asians and Indians are all the ones who are overrepresented in science and engineering. It's students from foreign countries regardless of race who are outpeforming domestic students.
Ah yes, the old degenerate American culture issue. I suppose before the H-1B visa program (a whopping 20 years ago), when there was no shortage of STEM people, Americans were ruthlessly dedicated to the science and math studies. How quickly we've degenerated! And of course this enormous influx of guest workers, and all the outsourcing, do nothing to discourage Americans from studying for STEM fields.
You don't see the issue when the US has a world class system for university education and research work, those resources are increasingly being used to train foreign students, who people think we should kick back to where they came from because they take jobs from Americans who couldn't be bothered to reach the same level of education.
Winners don't get caught using drugs
It isn't even an exhastive list of restrictions. The 9th Amendment states, there's stuff we haven't thought of, but that doesn't mean they aren't fundamental rights.
It's also reduced our motivation to escape the basement and actually hurt somebody. Too much work, think I'll just frag some more annoying XBox dorks
Game like Angry Birds teach young children basic physics, which as you know can eventually lead them to develop more dangerous projectiles capable of overthrowing our government with ICBMs launced from a slingshot. We must stop teaching them physics and teach them the Bible while they are young
Romans 13:1-5
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
Have you looked at the data? 33% of those who earn engineering degrees in the US are foreign born. The highest racial group earning these degrees is white, followed strongly by temporary foreign residents. Even foreign born Africans, outpace minority American graduation rates in these fields. It's not a race issue, it's a cultural issue coupled with poor focus on engineering and science from K-12.
In college when I looked around at my graduate research group, this information didn't really shock me. No wonder tech companies complain they need foreign visas to get the best candidates. A huge number of those who have the skills are foreigners learning at universities in the US.
Back in early 2000 I remember working on a reflow oven on the production line. The CS guy was messing with the system to report MTBA/MTBE data. After the upgrade the reflow profile tester was no longer working. He had no clue why, So I just went into microsoft (98 I think) troubleshooting mode. One of the things I checked out were the IRQ settings, and noticed there was a conflict. Then I noticed he had plugged in his old palm pilot into the machine to charge it.
I pulled the plug on that, and no issues. His response was "Oh wow, they don't teach you that in school"
What projects outside of class did you participate in. You'll find those types of experiences are much more important than a high GPA in stuff you've been spoon fed. The most impressive candidates are ones who do well in school, but are also motivated enough to do things outside of the curriculum.
From a practical view, employers want somebody who can solve new problems, like working on a university solar car project, run an auger tool lab to become the defacto "owner," and go to person for people needing data collection and interpretation. That not only shows the smarts but their ability apply and problem solve new ideas. I was very lucky to take an 8 month internship in San Jose, and because of the cost of living I slept on a friend's cousin's couch. But on the experience side, I helped design and improve a laser system used for hard drives. Because the company bought a crappy system I ran into a number of roadblocks that required some innovative thinking. I then was able to consistently deliver what the customers wanted, to the point where my mentor would just send people wanting experiments done to me and I was effictively the tool owner.. It was an incredible challenge trying to come up with novel ways to satisfy outrageous customer needs, but it created concrete proof that I was focused and adaptible enough to get things done. I chose not to join the company, but I got great letters of recommendation, and could honestly share interesting stories that the recruiting engineer could relate to. It showed my ambition to learn, how I approached problems, and my ability to come up with new ideas to deliver. Those types of interviews extremely revealing, and more interesting for the candidate and interviewer.
I wouldn't blame the anon 'tards because the level of insanity, stupidity, and insecurity that it would take to start a war over something so trivial means it
Wars between somewhat reasonable nations have started for much less. Trojan War - dude seduces the kings wife, Pig War - almost turned to armed conflict between the US and Britain because somebody's shot a pig. Flagstaff war - natives didn't like the flag the British raised and kept chopping it down until armed conflict arose. The many wars between the US, native Americans and Mexicans came about because somebody said "God wants us to dominate from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Spanish American war started because there was an explosion on the Maine with no evidence of Spanish involvement, but that led to an extension of manifest destiny that claimed the entire Western Hempishere was a protectorate of the US, and the nice little base outside of US borders called Guantanimo Bay. The invasion of Iraq was based on testimony from people whose political interest was to lie, shotty interpretation of facts, and disregard for what intelligence people on the ground said. The Football War sparked after a soccer riot, which one side called genocide and that war was the only way to stop the other.
Honor, nationalism, political influence, and economics trumps rational thought
The poorest of US citizens are insanely better off than those starving in 3rd world countries.
The occupy Wall Street movement that represented the "bottom" 99% were actually just people on a global level who represented the top 4%.
Back to the conditions, when was the last time you saw a 5 year old on the side of the street picking through the trash, next to goats and livestock, looking for food and other items for their family? I see it nearly every day in Afghanistan
Even in relatively stable regions like Philippines and Thailand, living conditions were horrid. There was the banking/foreigner district that was just like any other western style city. But a few miles outside, you'd see the slums. You'd drive by people using their toilet which was a ditch by the side of the road, desperate people willing to give foreigners their children to provide them with a better life. I visited a British NGO school, where providing basic food substinance was key to fight hunger to allow kids to learn. It was painfully touching to see some of the children put a handful of rice in their pocket so they could go home and help feed their family. Security for business foreigners was top notch since they were the cash cows, meanwhile the majority were subject to police extortion or outright disregard.
On the bright side, I might actually be able to win a StarCraft 2 multi-player match
Americans will get pissed off when theirs a spike in the cost of monitors, TVs and phones with LCD displayes as many major plants are within blowing up distance of North Korea. People freak out over $0.50 a gallon for gas. Regionaly disruption will cause a much greater impact on the technology we love.
Problem is that propaganda convices the disinterested into buying into the government kool-aid so thei freedom reduction policies get the appearance of legitimacy.
This "society" problem is actually generally not a problem for most other things.
The society problem is enormous for most things. This is especially true when you have a disinterested and/or uneducated populace which can be coerced by a passionately vocal minority.
The whole corporate lobbying and campaign contributions would be a non-problem if the masses were interested enough to actively participate in political discussion and not just parrot the commercials they see on television.
It's pretty easy to work up the masses into a nationalistic frenzy so that the leadership doesn't come out looking like war mongering aggressors. Look through history, it's filled with wars started for dubious reasons. The Spanish American War, Football War, Flagstaff War, The War of Jenkins' Ear, etc.
Non-existent in the same way the cat in the box with the poison is still alive... or is it dead... do the WMD's still exist... or do they not...
Well non-existent in the sense that when you open the box there was no cat or poison. The receipt for the poison was a forgery, the cat hair came from a bear skin rug, and the witnesses who saw the person put the cat and poison in the box lied.
I'm guessing that a nuclear attack on SK is the only realistic chance the NK has of being able to do any serious damage.
This is a non-trivial problem that people who say "just wipe out NK" don't fully appreciate. Seoul is a city of over 10million less than 50 miles from the DMZ and is within range of thousands of conventional artillery pieces. Unless there is an incredibly coordinated plan, wiping out North Korea will probably mean sacrificing Seoul at the very least.
Even if war goes perfectly, how will the vaccuum of leadership and millions of already near starving people be handled? Ideally there would be a unified Korea, but that would mean China would have to cede political influence which is not a given.
They aren't behaving by anyone's definition of "rational".
That's the biggest danger. Because they are acting irrationally, you can't expect them to react proportionally to any provocation. Rarely is there a single reason for a war, but stupid things can escalate tense situations into outright conflict. Tensions between Honduras and El Salvador turned to war over a stupid soccer riot.
The actions of an outside party may or may not influence the ultimate outcome, but it does hurt attempts to diffuse the situation.
Why? Not letting inspectors examine non-existant WMD's, and imaginary ties to terrorist organizations was acceptable provocation.
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