Unfortunately most spammers aren't trackable companies. They're chicken-boners operating out of Mom's trailer.
Otherwise legitimate companies who spam get LARTed quickly and efficiently, and learn that spam is bad. To do the same with telemarketing, you'd need an RBL for telemarketers. Any company that called unsolicited would get in said RBL and be unable to place non-telemarketing phone calls until they stopped the offending activity.
>With telemarketters and direct mailers, they pay >for the priveledge of trying to sell you >something. That has to be fair. Otherwise, >people will start complaining about all the >intrusive ads on their television sets.
Telemarketing's closer to spam than to TV ads. TV ads pay for the programming. Telemarketing costs you time and uses up your resources (the phone line you pay for) without giving you anything in return.
>all of whom pay a percentage of their >salaries to the church.
Quite a few of the Catholic families in my home town tithed a percentage of their earnings to the Church. I never understood it, but it didn't necessarily make them evil.
And yeah, I know Scientology is trying to take over the world, and I won't be giving my money to their efforts, but condemning them just because they do the same things that have worked so well for other religions (unless you also condemn those religions) doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
>heh, it seems that you are the one that doesnt >know what you are talking about:) >canada is a monarchy
He didn't say it wasn't. He said the Charter of Rights stated things a certain way, and he's right. The Charter is roughly analogous to the US Bill of Rights, but as he pointed out it has that arrogant descended-from-monarchy thing about granting us poor Canucks whatever rights we think we have.
I may not be American, but I certainly admire the principles the US was built upon. Of course 70 years of Big Government have mostly destroyed those principles, but you still have some options left. Once they finish taking away your guns, you won't, but hey, 230 years will have been a pretty good run for Liberty...
Possibly ORBS users would prefer that spammers use systems already listed by ORBS rather than looking around for others. Certainly makes my spam filtering easier...
It's not only the cost of the database software. I'd be willing to pay for transactions, triggers etc.
Say I have an system that might require several thousand simultaneous database connections, though. How big a system do you have to build to do that with Oracle or DB2? As far as I can tell I need one or more database servers with upwards of 20GB or more of RAM total. MySQL can do it with a couple of hundred megs of RAM. Assuming the application is fairly simple, it's well worth working around the limitations in the software (including writing custom replication code), to avoid buying hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of database software and the hardware to run it on.
Also, how do you justify or work around incredibly slow database connections (assuming many of those connections are transient and repeated often) on Oracle or DB2? And no, it's not a web-only application so persistent connections can only address part of that problem (while costing yet more RAM on the DB server).
Are these problems not real? Do people really run systems with gigs and gigs of RAM just to run medium-sized Oracle applications?
I wrote the TCP/IP exam because our consulting division wanted us to be a Pollution Provider and needed someone else in the company to get an MCP to qualify.
Studied 2 evenings. Got 1000 on the exam. And that's supposed to be the hardest of the lot. I could do my MCSE in a week if I actually wanted it for any reason.
On the plus side, I did actually learn a few things about NetBIOS name resolution, but since I don't use the crap it hasn't done me much good...
Stopping big companies from sending spam is trivial. You firewall them. When enough people have firewalled them, eventually even the marketing weenies will Get It, and they'll stop spamming.
The problem is the chicken-boners and the UUNet's of the world who continue to support them by handing out new dial accounts whenever they need one, and then taking weeks to stop their spamming from the new account (if they ever do).
What's needed, though, is not laws. What's really needed is for everyone who can to block everything coming out of UUNet until they clean their act up. Then do the same to any other ISP who can't figure out how to stop their spammers. Whether they do so by installing rate-limited customer-use SMTP relays and blocking other outbound port 25 connections, or stiff, enforced anti-spamming fines, I frankly don't care, but the ISP has proven to be the only effective target for anti-spamming campaigns.
>Hear, hear! We need to do away with all >morality-based laws. Meth? Crank? Horse? >Barbies? Crack? Ludes? >Well, personally I'm against 'em, but who am I to >judge? Inner city youths need to make a living, >too.
Inner city youths make a much better living off drugs now than they would if the drugs were made legal. So do the hundreds of thousands of police officers and prison guards who make a living off the War on Drugs (that, by the way, you lost before it started).
America has passed a milestone recently. You now imprison more people than any other "free" civilization has in all of history. Congratulations. Your morality war is really working out well for you. Keep up the good work.
Maybe you should start handing out 15 year sentences for looking at porn, too, like you do for smoking a little weed. After all, it hurts as many people (ie. none), and annoys pretty much the same people. And a ban on it would be about as effective.
>Rape? Incest? Kiddie porn? Spouse abuse? >Horrible! Or, well, at least I think so. But I >wouldn't want to be mistaken for a religious >zealot.
Those aren't illegal because they are immoral. They are illegal because they actually hurt other people. Even a dimwit like you should be able to grasp the difference.
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You can't truly appreciate the UNIX-Haters Handbook unless you in fact love UNIX...
I've had jobs pay for parking tickets, if I got them while stuck on a customer site fixing something... sometimes the only parking near a site is half-hour only and there's nothing you can do.
Believe me, regardless of whether or not the feds give themselves the power to enact a national sales tax, the states won't give up their taxes. You'll just end up with another layer of taxes taking even more of your money out of your pocket for you.
It's been pointed out before that the military doesn't really pay $4000 for the hammer. It's just that several thousand or million of those add up to the cost of what they really spend the money on but don't feel like explaining to Congress or anyone else what that was or why they need it.
I remember reading the book in school (though can't recall if it was elementary or high school), and I'm also Canadian. I do remember that it was set in Labrador and that we discussed it at the time.
My dad's a diesel mechanic, and my mom drives a bus. By the time I was 27 I was making more than both of them combined.
Sometimes I feel weird about that, but most of the time I just feel lucky to have a rare skill that is in incredible demand. Without computers I'd probably be a mechanic too.
>Moreover: since when do we take polls on >technical questions anyhow?
Well, this isn't exactly a technical poll. But you do see "technical" polls all the time, think nuclear power, genetic engineering, etc.
Everytime the tree huggers bring out a rent-a-mob to get some free TV time for their cause of the month, somebody runs a poll on the issue within a couple of weeks.
Isolated incidents of police abuse are hardly comparable to government-sponsored mass murder and the consistent suppression of individual rights of hundreds of millions of people.
Do you expect the secret police to come knocking on your door because you speak out about US government abuses? Didn't think so. The situations are not even vaguely comparable.
There is no such thing as a soul, the whole concept is a bunch of hooey dreamed up by folks who can't accept the thought that they're just a bunch of smart meat walking around and when they die, it's all over.
>Interesting article. I thought though somewhat >flawed. Netware even being in the running has to > make you wonder.
Why? NetWare kicks serious ass as a file/print server. Has for 10 years. It has awesome network performance, one of the best file systems ever deployed anywhere, and NDS is fantastic.
If I had to serve files to a thousand Windoze boxes, you can bet that server would be running NetWare (rather than 4 or 5 or more running NT, and don't even get me started on administering that kind of user base on any *NIX system).
Of course, I don't, so my servers all run Linux or FreeBSD (well, and one Solaris system), but for the tasks this article was looking for a server to do, NetWare is probably the best choice.
Yeah, but Vancouver's great. In most parts of the city, you can choose between $40cdn/month 1Mb/sec ADSL or $40cdn/month 3Mb/sec cable-modem access, and have either installed in a matter of weeks.
It doesn't get any better than here. Hell, I've had 2.5Mb/s ADSL ($70cdn/month) at home for just about 2 years now, and can barely Internet access via modem before that...
>I use a toilet everyday but never has a plumber >openly mocked me for not knowing how to fix a >pipe.
Try calling one and complaining that the toilet doesn't work, and let him spend 2 hours on the phone with you to discover that you didn't know you needed to take your pants down before taking a dump. That's the kind of intelligence tech support deals with every day.
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Unfortunately most spammers aren't trackable companies. They're chicken-boners operating out of Mom's trailer.
;)
Otherwise legitimate companies who spam get LARTed quickly and efficiently, and learn that spam is bad. To do the same with telemarketing, you'd need an RBL for telemarketers. Any company that called unsolicited would get in said RBL and be unable to place non-telemarketing phone calls until they stopped the offending activity.
Drool. Wish I owned some phone companies
>With telemarketters and direct mailers, they pay
>for the priveledge of trying to sell you
>something. That has to be fair. Otherwise,
>people will start complaining about all the
>intrusive ads on their television sets.
Telemarketing's closer to spam than to TV ads. TV ads pay for the programming. Telemarketing costs you time and uses up your resources (the phone line you pay for) without giving you anything in return.
>all of whom pay a percentage of their
>salaries to the church.
Quite a few of the Catholic families in my home town tithed a percentage of their earnings to the Church. I never understood it, but it didn't necessarily make them evil.
And yeah, I know Scientology is trying to take over the world, and I won't be giving my money to their efforts, but condemning them just because they do the same things that have worked so well for other religions (unless you also condemn those religions) doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
>heh, it seems that you are the one that doesnt >know what you are talking about :)
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>canada is a monarchy
He didn't say it wasn't. He said the Charter of Rights stated things a certain way, and he's right. The Charter is roughly analogous to the US Bill of Rights, but as he pointed out it has that arrogant descended-from-monarchy thing about granting us poor Canucks whatever rights we think we have.
I may not be American, but I certainly admire the principles the US was built upon. Of course 70 years of Big Government have mostly destroyed those principles, but you still have some options left. Once they finish taking away your guns, you won't, but hey, 230 years will have been a pretty good run for Liberty
>Why publicize it?
...
Possibly ORBS users would prefer that spammers use systems already listed by ORBS rather than looking around for others. Certainly makes my spam filtering easier
It's not only the cost of the database software. I'd be willing to pay for transactions, triggers etc.
Say I have an system that might require several thousand simultaneous database connections, though. How big a system do you have to build to do that with Oracle or DB2? As far as I can tell I need one or more database servers with upwards of 20GB or more of RAM total. MySQL can do it with a couple of hundred megs of RAM. Assuming the application is fairly simple, it's well worth working around the limitations in the software (including writing custom replication code), to avoid buying hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of database software and the hardware to run it on.
Also, how do you justify or work around incredibly slow database connections (assuming many of those connections are transient and repeated often) on Oracle or DB2? And no, it's not a web-only application so persistent connections can only address part of that problem (while costing yet more RAM on the DB server).
Are these problems not real? Do people really run systems with gigs and gigs of RAM just to run medium-sized Oracle applications?
I wrote the TCP/IP exam because our consulting division wanted us to be a Pollution Provider and needed someone else in the company to get an MCP to qualify.
...
Studied 2 evenings. Got 1000 on the exam. And that's supposed to be the hardest of the lot. I could do my MCSE in a week if I actually wanted it for any reason.
On the plus side, I did actually learn a few things about NetBIOS name resolution, but since I don't use the crap it hasn't done me much good
Stopping big companies from sending spam is trivial. You firewall them. When enough people have firewalled them, eventually even the marketing weenies will Get It, and they'll stop spamming.
The problem is the chicken-boners and the UUNet's of the world who continue to support them by handing out new dial accounts whenever they need one, and then taking weeks to stop their spamming from the new account (if they ever do).
What's needed, though, is not laws. What's really needed is for everyone who can to block everything coming out of UUNet until they clean their act up. Then do the same to any other ISP who can't figure out how to stop their spammers. Whether they do so by installing rate-limited customer-use SMTP relays and blocking other outbound port 25 connections, or stiff, enforced anti-spamming fines, I frankly don't care, but the ISP has proven to be the only effective target for anti-spamming campaigns.
>Hear, hear! We need to do away with all >morality-based laws. Meth? Crank? Horse?
>Barbies? Crack? Ludes?
>Well, personally I'm against 'em, but who am I to
>judge? Inner city youths need to make a living,
>too.
Inner city youths make a much better living off drugs now than they would if the drugs were made legal. So do the hundreds of thousands of police officers and prison guards who make a living off the War on Drugs (that, by the way, you lost before it started).
America has passed a milestone recently. You now imprison more people than any other "free" civilization has in all of history. Congratulations. Your morality war is really working out well for you. Keep up the good work.
Maybe you should start handing out 15 year sentences for looking at porn, too, like you do for smoking a little weed. After all, it hurts as many people (ie. none), and annoys pretty much the same people. And a ban on it would be about as effective.
>Rape? Incest? Kiddie porn? Spouse abuse?
>Horrible! Or, well, at least I think so. But I
>wouldn't want to be mistaken for a religious
>zealot.
Those aren't illegal because they are immoral. They are illegal because they actually hurt other people. Even a dimwit like you should be able to grasp the difference.
You can't truly appreciate the UNIX-Haters Handbook unless you in fact love UNIX ...
The book is fantastic.
I've had jobs pay for parking tickets, if I got them while stuck on a customer site fixing something ... sometimes the only parking near a site is half-hour only and there's nothing you can do.
;)
Of course we charged those back to the customer
Believe me, regardless of whether or not the feds give themselves the power to enact a national sales tax, the states won't give up their taxes. You'll just end up with another layer of taxes taking even more of your money out of your pocket for you.
It's been pointed out before that the military doesn't really pay $4000 for the hammer. It's just that several thousand or million of those add up to the cost of what they really spend the money on but don't feel like explaining to Congress or anyone else what that was or why they need it.
I remember reading the book in school (though can't recall if it was elementary or high school), and I'm also Canadian. I do remember that it was set in Labrador and that we discussed it at the time.
And that's why the founders set out to create a Republic, not a Democracy.
Yeah, but you can actually BUY an Athlon. Try finding high speed Intel chips anywhere.
Complain to her provider. If they do nothing (and it's 99.9% sure they won't if they're in Asia), then firewall them.
My dad's a diesel mechanic, and my mom drives a bus. By the time I was 27 I was making more than both of them combined.
Sometimes I feel weird about that, but most of the time I just feel lucky to have a rare skill that is in incredible demand. Without computers I'd probably be a mechanic too.
>Just like you wouldn't go to North America to
> mine raw diamonds (usually)
Why not? Canada produces the 2nd or 3rd most diamonds in the world, AFAIK.
>Moreover: since when do we take polls on
>technical questions anyhow?
Well, this isn't exactly a technical poll. But you do see "technical" polls all the time, think nuclear power, genetic engineering, etc.
Everytime the tree huggers bring out a rent-a-mob to get some free TV time for their cause of the month, somebody runs a poll on the issue within a couple of weeks.
Isolated incidents of police abuse are hardly comparable to government-sponsored mass murder and the consistent suppression of individual rights of hundreds of millions of people.
Do you expect the secret police to come knocking on your door because you speak out about US government abuses? Didn't think so. The situations are not even vaguely comparable.
You forgot possibility 4)
There is no such thing as a soul, the whole concept is a bunch of hooey dreamed up by folks who can't accept the thought that they're just a bunch of smart meat walking around and when they die, it's all over.
>Interesting article. I thought though somewhat
>flawed. Netware even being in the running has to
> make you wonder.
Why? NetWare kicks serious ass as a file/print server. Has for 10 years. It has awesome network performance, one of the best file systems ever deployed anywhere, and NDS is fantastic.
If I had to serve files to a thousand Windoze boxes, you can bet that server would be running NetWare (rather than 4 or 5 or more running NT, and don't even get me started on administering that kind of user base on any *NIX system).
Of course, I don't, so my servers all run Linux or FreeBSD (well, and one Solaris system), but for the tasks this article was looking for a server to do, NetWare is probably the best choice.
Yeah, but Vancouver's great. In most parts of the city, you can choose between $40cdn/month 1Mb/sec ADSL or $40cdn/month 3Mb/sec cable-modem access, and have either installed in a matter of weeks.
...
It doesn't get any better than here. Hell, I've had 2.5Mb/s ADSL ($70cdn/month) at home for just about 2 years now, and can barely Internet access via modem before that
>I use a toilet everyday but never has a plumber
>openly mocked me for not knowing how to fix a
>pipe.
Try calling one and complaining that the toilet doesn't work, and let him spend 2 hours on the phone with you to discover that you didn't know you needed to take your pants down before taking a dump. That's the kind of intelligence tech support deals with every day.