The Standard Adobe Suite Costed $1700 and only included a few Apps.
I don't like CC subs either. But one should be more accurate when comparing.
If you upgraded every year or every other year it costed roughly the same.
You could hold out and use one version for years (like I did) but eventually have to upgrade for various reasons (like I did).
Well, I have been more loyal to my headphones than the lousy Apple. After my iPad Air 2 paper-thin glass broke twice ($399 fix) I stopped using iPad and moved on. After the Iphone 7 ditched a _dedicated_ headphone port (I don't care which kind so long as no dongles) I ditched iPhone upgrades (I was on a 1 to 1.5 year upgrade schedule, not staying with iPhone 6 until Apple fixes their mess). I am now thinking of ditching OS X, as I am tired of the charger cables peeling off. AppleTV remote suddenly stopped working? I won't pay 75% of another AppleTV for nothing. So I stopped using AppleTV and moved to FireTV stick. I have the money for Apple. What I don't have is sheer studity in such massive quantities as to continue playing their little game.
So no dedicated audio port for Android? Great! One less option to make my choices easier in the future if I ditch Apple entire.
I would imagine the main problem being the fact that indesign and Illustrator's link management expects to find an absolute path to those files upon opening the layout document. I don't see a 3rd party versioning app being able to communicate to indesign what the new paths are every time the file locations move. We don't just edit the layout, we also launch the linked files from within the layout file to make deeper edits. An indesign file links to an illustrator file, and that illustrator file has linked images in that file. Nested files within nested files may sound bizarre but it is often the best solution to a myriad of scenarios when some layouts have standing elements with subtle variations, size and color differences that apply to other groups of layouts. Like a catalog links to a logo file, the brochure links to that same logo file, stationary, packaging, banners, signs, contracts all link to that one logo file - change the logo once and it updates across all those layout files, for example.
We'd have to constantly manually reassign the link paths every time we edited. Some of which are on read-only archive volumes. This would be no better than copying locally by one's self. And the time it would take to move multiple GBs every hour just to accomplish this - ugg! Impossible, impractical and would lead to all kinds of relink mistakes to old outdated versions.
These design workflows become rather complicated, which is why we/they insist on keeping original files where they are. It really is vital especially when press deadline dates and last minute changes are always happening.
Nobody in my industry is believing me that there are currently no solutions to this. if AFP is gone we are screwed big-time because Adobe, MS and Apple are ignoring our needs. They absolutely know we ALL work off file servers but they refuse to officially support it. This latest move by Apple is devastating to the creative industry that kept them afloat in the 90's.
I'm not in IT. I'm one of the creatives and in production/prepress. But I'm often called to solve these problems. I had to learn how because most of our windows IT guys don't know Macs and don't want to learn, unsurprisingly. So my red flags and alarm bells are falling on deaf ears - until the carp hits the fan.
I'm the AC OP from the the quoted workflow comment.
Since the early 90's, pretty much all print shops, design firms, magazines, packaging houses, etc. that use Macs have saved their work to a central NT based windows file server.
We pretty much always used AFP over IP and we had no problems working off that server. At some point, MS stopped updating the AFP version in the SFM (services for mac). Around the time OSX came out it became necessary to use the 3rd party ExtremeZ IP to replace the frozen SFM.
Around Mac OS Lion, Apple used their own version of SMB (SMBX) and it started working well with MS's native SMB 2 on their server. But Apple later moved away form SMBX and MS was using SMB3 and it went downhill fast, so everybody migrated back to ExtremeZ, now owned by Acronis, and all was well.
The problems with using SMB instead were numerous. File copies were slow and unreliable, the finder would not accurately list files on the server and often jumped around as new files disappeared and reappeared in a flickering mess. Some of this could be negated by observing proper filenaming conventions, not making too many deeply nested directories and whatnot.
But worst of all was Adobe InDesign's and Illustrator's tendency to crash when laying out a page of linked files on the server. Most page layout software works by pasting-up and laying out "proxy" images of highres raster images, vector files and other filetypes that reside on the server, sometimes across multiple volumes or multiple file servers and even multiple desktops. These linked files are often very large in number throughout a magazine or catalog or what-have-you.
And of course those layout files had constant revisions and multiple people working on them in collaboration - designers, copy editors, prepress, etc.
I remember an Adobe product called version cue that did something similar to what you suggest - a locally hosted check-in check-out system that supposedly made working off a file server more seamless while bringing the file local to edit. It never took off - either nobody was interested, or understood it, or they were just happy with the status quo, or Adobe killed it just because as they often do.
The workflows we've all been using can be very fragile but the AFP solution just worked for everyone. I have no idea if the product you mentioned is applicable due to the complex nature of layout files *and* their reliance on linked raster/vector and text files. I'd be interested in looking at it but it would be a hard, nay impossible sell.
More likely the print design industry would cease Mac upgrades for for a decade or so to preserve our much loved and time tested workflow. We have been spoiled rotten and we/they expect and demand to continue doing it the same way. Unless it was dead-simple and problem free from the get-go, which I doubt.
Wait, you rate all the content on Apple's ITMS as defective, but you site this "sanctuary" program as the end-all-be-all solution to all entertainment?
What are you smoking? This show looks really terrible.
So we can all only watch one program because you say so? Yeah, right.
I did this over the course of my career, just over 15 years. Trading up companies by way of my experience, talent, portfolio and reputation. Usually, I had full intention of leaving for my new company and the counter offer to the soon-to-be-former employer was merely my courtesy to them
I never took any counteroffers, but I ended up being a consultant and/or freelance for them years later. Every time I moved on (with new skills, etc) I moved up in terms of quality of life/environment/money.
For the last 5-6 years I've worked from home. A good portion of my business is from previous employers and their clients.
I have.mac.
All you have to do is go to the.mac home page and click "log out" (duh) It's just not on the rarely used web-enabled idisk page.
One can also use the webdav version of idisk (which I usually do) via the finder (Finder> Go> idisk>my idisk, other user's idisk, other user's public folder)
One can also password protect the idisk seperately from their.mac login page. One can also make the idisk read only.
Seriously, this alarmist attitude is unfounded. If one knows what they are doing they can easily keep their idisk secure in any environment.
"Design Schools" typically know dick about real world PRINT design and prepress.
Trust me.
I consult and freelance design for dozens of Print Shops (web and sheeted), Design Firms, Sign Shops, Large Format Printers, Service bureaus, inhouse graphics departments. I have done so since The early 90s and am still on the bleeding edge today with everything except web design (which I loathe).
Windows PCs are fine for RIPs and file servers, but for graphics workstations, Mac is still the standard. Sure you can do it on a PC (largely thanks to Adobe's efforts to workaround window's inherent shortcomings in this area) but you will encounter far more problem on the Windows side.
Anyone who thinks this is not true is living under a rock.
...is in the trash bin where it belongs
Only poor and misguided geeks who live in their mom's basement want linux desktop because they can't afford a Mac.
Normal people and people who want to be productive 8-12 hours a day prefer something that works reliably and professionally.
Certainly not people with deadlines.
Silly hippies.
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The Standard Adobe Suite Costed $1700 and only included a few Apps. I don't like CC subs either. But one should be more accurate when comparing. If you upgraded every year or every other year it costed roughly the same. You could hold out and use one version for years (like I did) but eventually have to upgrade for various reasons (like I did).
Adobe Master Suite costed $2500.
Upgrading the next version of Master Suite would be half of that again.
Well, I have been more loyal to my headphones than the lousy Apple. After my iPad Air 2 paper-thin glass broke twice ($399 fix) I stopped using iPad and moved on. After the Iphone 7 ditched a _dedicated_ headphone port (I don't care which kind so long as no dongles) I ditched iPhone upgrades (I was on a 1 to 1.5 year upgrade schedule, not staying with iPhone 6 until Apple fixes their mess). I am now thinking of ditching OS X, as I am tired of the charger cables peeling off. AppleTV remote suddenly stopped working? I won't pay 75% of another AppleTV for nothing. So I stopped using AppleTV and moved to FireTV stick. I have the money for Apple. What I don't have is sheer studity in such massive quantities as to continue playing their little game.
So no dedicated audio port for Android? Great! One less option to make my choices easier in the future if I ditch Apple entire.
Liar.
I would imagine the main problem being the fact that indesign and Illustrator's link management expects to find an absolute path to those files upon opening the layout document. I don't see a 3rd party versioning app being able to communicate to indesign what the new paths are every time the file locations move. We don't just edit the layout, we also launch the linked files from within the layout file to make deeper edits. An indesign file links to an illustrator file, and that illustrator file has linked images in that file. Nested files within nested files may sound bizarre but it is often the best solution to a myriad of scenarios when some layouts have standing elements with subtle variations, size and color differences that apply to other groups of layouts. Like a catalog links to a logo file, the brochure links to that same logo file, stationary, packaging, banners, signs, contracts all link to that one logo file - change the logo once and it updates across all those layout files, for example. We'd have to constantly manually reassign the link paths every time we edited. Some of which are on read-only archive volumes. This would be no better than copying locally by one's self. And the time it would take to move multiple GBs every hour just to accomplish this - ugg! Impossible, impractical and would lead to all kinds of relink mistakes to old outdated versions. These design workflows become rather complicated, which is why we/they insist on keeping original files where they are. It really is vital especially when press deadline dates and last minute changes are always happening. Nobody in my industry is believing me that there are currently no solutions to this. if AFP is gone we are screwed big-time because Adobe, MS and Apple are ignoring our needs. They absolutely know we ALL work off file servers but they refuse to officially support it. This latest move by Apple is devastating to the creative industry that kept them afloat in the 90's. I'm not in IT. I'm one of the creatives and in production/prepress. But I'm often called to solve these problems. I had to learn how because most of our windows IT guys don't know Macs and don't want to learn, unsurprisingly. So my red flags and alarm bells are falling on deaf ears - until the carp hits the fan.
I'm the AC OP from the the quoted workflow comment. Since the early 90's, pretty much all print shops, design firms, magazines, packaging houses, etc. that use Macs have saved their work to a central NT based windows file server. We pretty much always used AFP over IP and we had no problems working off that server. At some point, MS stopped updating the AFP version in the SFM (services for mac). Around the time OSX came out it became necessary to use the 3rd party ExtremeZ IP to replace the frozen SFM. Around Mac OS Lion, Apple used their own version of SMB (SMBX) and it started working well with MS's native SMB 2 on their server. But Apple later moved away form SMBX and MS was using SMB3 and it went downhill fast, so everybody migrated back to ExtremeZ, now owned by Acronis, and all was well. The problems with using SMB instead were numerous. File copies were slow and unreliable, the finder would not accurately list files on the server and often jumped around as new files disappeared and reappeared in a flickering mess. Some of this could be negated by observing proper filenaming conventions, not making too many deeply nested directories and whatnot. But worst of all was Adobe InDesign's and Illustrator's tendency to crash when laying out a page of linked files on the server. Most page layout software works by pasting-up and laying out "proxy" images of highres raster images, vector files and other filetypes that reside on the server, sometimes across multiple volumes or multiple file servers and even multiple desktops. These linked files are often very large in number throughout a magazine or catalog or what-have-you. And of course those layout files had constant revisions and multiple people working on them in collaboration - designers, copy editors, prepress, etc. I remember an Adobe product called version cue that did something similar to what you suggest - a locally hosted check-in check-out system that supposedly made working off a file server more seamless while bringing the file local to edit. It never took off - either nobody was interested, or understood it, or they were just happy with the status quo, or Adobe killed it just because as they often do. The workflows we've all been using can be very fragile but the AFP solution just worked for everyone. I have no idea if the product you mentioned is applicable due to the complex nature of layout files *and* their reliance on linked raster/vector and text files. I'd be interested in looking at it but it would be a hard, nay impossible sell. More likely the print design industry would cease Mac upgrades for for a decade or so to preserve our much loved and time tested workflow. We have been spoiled rotten and we/they expect and demand to continue doing it the same way. Unless it was dead-simple and problem free from the get-go, which I doubt.
what?
The year of linux on the desktop has ben canceled due to global warming
Wait, you rate all the content on Apple's ITMS as defective, but you site this "sanctuary" program as the end-all-be-all solution to all entertainment? What are you smoking? This show looks really terrible. So we can all only watch one program because you say so? Yeah, right.
Or you could go to CES saying "main screen turn off" over and over.
Nearing 10% marketshare. Not 10 million.
"Claiming"?
Parent is correct.
I did this over the course of my career, just over 15 years. Trading up companies by way of my experience, talent, portfolio and reputation. Usually, I had full intention of leaving for my new company and the counter offer to the soon-to-be-former employer was merely my courtesy to them
I never took any counteroffers, but I ended up being a consultant and/or freelance for them years later. Every time I moved on (with new skills, etc) I moved up in terms of quality of life/environment/money.
For the last 5-6 years I've worked from home. A good portion of my business is from previous employers and their clients.
I've been saying this for years and it earned me a terrible karma rating. lol
how desktop linux was not mentioned. no expectations, no disappointments right?
Guys, the .mac log out option is on the .mac home page. You're all arguing over nothing. Sheesh.
I have .mac.
All you have to do is go to the .mac home page and click "log out" (duh) It's just not on the rarely used web-enabled idisk page.
One can also use the webdav version of idisk (which I usually do) via the finder (Finder> Go> idisk>my idisk, other user's idisk, other user's public folder)
One can also password protect the idisk seperately from their .mac login page. One can also make the idisk read only.
Seriously, this alarmist attitude is unfounded. If one knows what they are doing they can easily keep their idisk secure in any environment.
"Design Schools" typically know dick about real world PRINT design and prepress. Trust me. I consult and freelance design for dozens of Print Shops (web and sheeted), Design Firms, Sign Shops, Large Format Printers, Service bureaus, inhouse graphics departments. I have done so since The early 90s and am still on the bleeding edge today with everything except web design (which I loathe). Windows PCs are fine for RIPs and file servers, but for graphics workstations, Mac is still the standard. Sure you can do it on a PC (largely thanks to Adobe's efforts to workaround window's inherent shortcomings in this area) but you will encounter far more problem on the Windows side. Anyone who thinks this is not true is living under a rock.
"no version for linux" That's your fault for using linux. Don't blame anyone but yourself.
Archive and install, no haxies. Everything works perfectly.
...is in the trash bin where it belongs Only poor and misguided geeks who live in their mom's basement want linux desktop because they can't afford a Mac. Normal people and people who want to be productive 8-12 hours a day prefer something that works reliably and professionally. Certainly not people with deadlines. Silly hippies.
so why did you bother reading the article and/or posting about it. Who cares about you? A$$
linux desktop is doomed to irrelevance, dilution and mediocrity (more-so)
linux desktop and communism are a good mach though - citizens are miserable, but pretend to be proud - and it is doomed to fail miserably
Is invasion of privacy. I should have the right to not be spied upon and recorded for no good reason.
fuck that