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You dropped a few words from that sentence. I advise you to look into your keyboard as the culprit, as it's not likely you meant what you typed literally. Here is what I suspect you meant to type:
Just about any company that markets to customers, orders supplies, and has employees
also probably has a few external consultants hanging around, and an under-funded IT staff that can benefit from from databases vs. using paper for everything.
Let me remember, how old is Unix ? Nearly 40, isn't it ?
UNIX didn't have 'memory protection' of the grade and degree that you are carrying on about for fourty years. For the first 20 years of Unix, security on Unix was considered a joke by people who knew anything about OSes.
Saying that 'Unix' will be 40 years old in 2008 is kind of humorous in itself, as for quite a number of years after 1968 it ran on a handful of sites.
Looks like I'll have to simplify my message, sort of the 'short bus' version:
Larger programs cover more area on the hard drive surface, meaning there's more likelihood of a read error. Larger programs take more instruction cycles to read the program into memory. Again, more liklihood of a read error.
It doesn't appear to be your hard drive that is empty.
Everything is copying OS X. Everything has always been copying OS X. When Napoleon rolled across Europe, it was because he'd seen the Apple Development Team approaching the NeXT compound and about to break down the door with a battering ram.
When Moses came down from the mountain, he wasn't carrying a stone tablet, he had a PowerBook.
Michaelangelo didn't do a single original thing in his life. He just travelled forward in a time machine (invented at Apple) and cribbed ideas off a blackboard in the Apple R&D facility.
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The 'everything was invented here' frenzy of Applebots rivals the chauvanism of Soviet-era Communist-Party/Russian-nationalists.
Anybody I talk to is aware of the phenomenon that the new, larger drives are clearly less reliable. If apps spatter more binaries on an increasing amount of drive space, it is a given that the computer system will be less reliable. Plus, the whole idea of shared libraries is they take up a smaller memory footprint.
Oh, I forgot. Memory is cheaper too, so we should make apps use more of it, otherwise we won't have to buy all new machines every two years and the economy will collapse.
The future is running all user apps on a bogged down server, and just hauling bitmaps back and forth to the workstations over the network?
Which future is this? Are you firmly based in 1986?
I'm sure I am not alone in remembering how much the 'mere users' hated running word processors like 'Lyrix' on VT100 terminals. 'Whoops. The server went down. Every employee in the company just lost whatever s/he was working on.'
Apple has had this for years going back to the old System 9, 8, 7, etc...
How come the system folder on my MacOS machines is full of all sorts of 'preferences' and assorted debris and croft? Yours isn't??
I was hoping maybe people here were talking exclusively about MacOS 10, because I *know* for a fact that apps spatter stuff all over in the system folder on older MacOS versions. Now I find more handwaving and mistruths and wonder if 10 does the same messy things. ..
Sun hasn't ever really done much selling of Linux. They've thumbed their nose at Linux almost since the beginning. They've near-deliberately crippled it by witholding full native Java support. Even in the time period when it would have been very damaging to Microsoft for there to be full and robust Java support on Linux, Sun held back.
By your criterion, the largest 'UNIX vendor' is probably some unknown entity who is selling some product with QNX embedded in it and selling hundreds and hundreds of thousands of them, i.e. in a smart hub or switch of some sort.
I'm not sure why my pride would be hurt. My ego isn't wrapped in in being a fanboy for any particular hardware or software vendor. Can the typical Apple zealot say the same?
You listed a few of the companies known for their server tech, so I presume you know, based on the companies you listed, what makes them different from Apple.
It's truly amazing to see some butthead posting flames as A.C. and chiding others for not doing so as well.
Have you? It's targeted as a little workgroup server. It has some Unix beneath the crappy MacOS GUI, but it's one of the most pitiful Unixes ever ported.
the last two companies (msft, sunw) who's sales are dependant on operating-systems intellectual property
What about Apple? Or have they made the final transition to being a company that distributes music and sells promotional gimmicks used to sell Pepsi-Cola?
(Jobs- can I buy some sugar water from ya? please?)
They're a company who has decided to piggyback on a base of old UNIX code written by an outside operation, because their own staff failed dismally at producing the 'next-gen OS' they proclaimed so loudly for so long.
They adopted 'Unix' out of desperation. They pile as much non-Unix croft on top as they need to to completely hide the Unix core from their customers.
And Apple isn't known for making servers. Lately what they're known for is making little pink music boxes that ladies keep in their purses.
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You cited Leonardo DaVinci.
If he lived in modern times, I doubt if he'd be spending his time recreating props or the set for a movie or tv show.
The "too much free time" statement holds. Making cardboard or paper mache' rick-rack and junk isn't that stunningly creative.
how true computing talent goes unrewarded and the people who get the promotions are the "generalists"
Translation:
The idiot savant drolls in the corner while the regular joe makes good.
Not here in Indiana, we aren't.
The politicians fight about Daylight Savings Time every once in awhile, but it comes to nothing.
You sell 'database solutions' don't you? Larry?
I for one will be boycotting whichever of Intel or AMD try supporting this first.
When they both start supporting it, let me know. I have a nice ATX footprint PentiumPro motherboard to sell you.
Let me remember, how old is Unix ? Nearly 40, isn't it ?
UNIX didn't have 'memory protection' of the grade and degree that you are carrying on about for fourty years. For the first 20 years of Unix, security on Unix was considered a joke by people who knew anything about OSes.
Saying that 'Unix' will be 40 years old in 2008 is kind of humorous in itself, as for quite a number of years after 1968 it ran on a handful of sites.
But anyway. How long have you been using Unix?
But what problems are Apple users causing on the net?
They're ruining Slashdot, for one thing. Sometimes it's hard to even think, with the busy buzz of astroturfing around here.
Actually no, not greedy. Just tremendously overpaid.
Looks like I'll have to simplify my message, sort of the 'short bus' version:
Larger programs cover more area on the hard drive surface, meaning there's more likelihood of a read error. Larger programs take more instruction cycles to read the program into memory. Again, more liklihood of a read error.
It doesn't appear to be your hard drive that is empty.
Why do you say this. Are we all going to turn off our TV sets and sing 'Solidary Forever' for some overpaid hollywood voice actors?
Yeah, right.
The show might very well be just as funny with a different set of voice actors. Remember, they're just actors, acting a part.
Everything is copying OS X. Everything has always been copying OS X. When Napoleon rolled across Europe, it was because he'd seen the Apple Development Team approaching the NeXT compound and about to break down the door with a battering ram.
When Moses came down from the mountain, he wasn't carrying a stone tablet, he had a PowerBook.
Michaelangelo didn't do a single original thing in his life. He just travelled forward in a time machine (invented at Apple) and cribbed ideas off a blackboard in the Apple R&D facility.
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The 'everything was invented here' frenzy of Applebots rivals the chauvanism of Soviet-era Communist-Party/Russian-nationalists.
disk space is no longer an issue,
Anybody I talk to is aware of the phenomenon that the new, larger drives are clearly less reliable. If apps spatter more binaries on an increasing amount of drive space, it is a given that the computer system will be less reliable. Plus, the whole idea of shared libraries is they take up a smaller memory footprint.
Oh, I forgot. Memory is cheaper too, so we should make apps use more of it, otherwise we won't have to buy all new machines every two years and the economy will collapse.
The future is running all user apps on a bogged down server, and just hauling bitmaps back and forth to the workstations over the network?
Which future is this? Are you firmly based in 1986?
I'm sure I am not alone in remembering how much the 'mere users' hated running word processors like 'Lyrix' on VT100 terminals. 'Whoops. The server went down. Every employee in the company just lost whatever s/he was working on.'
Yeah. Man. Yeah.
Apple has had this for years going back to the old System 9, 8, 7, etc...
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How come the system folder on my MacOS machines is full of all sorts of 'preferences' and assorted debris and croft? Yours isn't??
I was hoping maybe people here were talking exclusively about MacOS 10, because I *know* for a fact that apps spatter stuff all over in the system folder on older MacOS versions. Now I find more handwaving and mistruths and wonder if 10 does the same messy things. .
Sun hasn't ever really done much selling of Linux. They've thumbed their nose at Linux almost since the beginning. They've near-deliberately crippled it by witholding full native Java support. Even in the time period when it would have been very damaging to Microsoft for there to be full and robust Java support on Linux, Sun held back.
By your criterion, the largest 'UNIX vendor' is probably some unknown entity who is selling some product with QNX embedded in it and selling hundreds and hundreds of thousands of them, i.e. in a smart hub or switch of some sort.
I'm not sure why my pride would be hurt. My ego isn't wrapped in in being a fanboy for any particular hardware or software vendor. Can the typical Apple zealot say the same?
An anonymous troll? Like you?
You listed a few of the companies known for their server tech, so I presume you know, based on the companies you listed, what makes them different from Apple.
It's truly amazing to see some butthead posting flames as A.C. and chiding others for not doing so as well.
A flashy marketing page doesn't make them 'know for making servers.' It makes them known as recently deciding to make an attempt at making servers.
The previous server tech from Apple was wobbly little things like running an Appletalk server on an SE/30, or A/UX on a Quadra 650.
They have NEVER been known as a server company, and they have close to zero track record of doing so successfully.
Maybe they'll pull it off. It remains to be proven.
I've run A/UX.
Have you? It's targeted as a little workgroup server. It has some Unix beneath the crappy MacOS GUI, but it's one of the most pitiful Unixes ever ported.
I know what NeXT did prior to the acquistion.
I also know what Apple did (pissed away many, many millions) before they gave up and acquired NeXT.
NeXT and Apple are not the same company.
And NextStep was a better OS (it was cross platform and ran on multiple hardware platforms) before Apple bought the company.
Do YOU know what NeXT was before Apple bought it? Or were you diddling around on 'cooperative multitasking' kludge called MacOS?
So Scott selling his soul to BillGatus of Borg may save _me_ from having to follow my employer in doing so. Or at least buy me some time.
In 1936 there were probably German Jews who thought that dropping Hebrew, learning Polish, and imigrating would save them.
Corel was the 'elephants graveyard' of musty old abandoned software packages when they took that money from Microsoft.
They had become completely irrelevant, the producer of the big basket-skids full of 'Corel Linux' shrinkwrapped boxes for $5 at CompUSA.
Sun is magnitudes more than that, and always have been.
the last two companies (msft, sunw) who's sales are dependant on operating-systems intellectual property
What about Apple? Or have they made the final transition to being a company that distributes music and sells promotional gimmicks used to sell Pepsi-Cola?
(Jobs- can I buy some sugar water from ya? please?)
Apple is _not_ 'Another Unix Vendor.'
They're a company who has decided to piggyback on a base of old UNIX code written by an outside operation, because their own staff failed dismally at producing the 'next-gen OS' they proclaimed so loudly for so long.
They adopted 'Unix' out of desperation. They pile as much non-Unix croft on top as they need to to completely hide the Unix core from their customers.
And Apple isn't known for making servers. Lately what they're known for is making little pink music boxes that ladies keep in their purses.
Think of them like Apple. A Hardware company that just happens to utilize OSS in order to sell more Hardware.
I prefer to think of them like IBM, another hardware company that just happens to utilize OSS in order to sell more Hardware.