You should be able to do USB scanners, printers, and Bluetooth pretty much out of the box (although you need an external repository for Bluetooth stuff as it's still in development). If you plug in hardware and it doesn't Just Work, we consider this a bug, so please file one!
Only some of the xapps are in TLA -- most are in CVS. There are some projects using tla (most notably debrix), just as there are some projects using CVS and SVN. Officially, we're agnostic.
There are currently representatives from both GNOME and KDE (Jim Gettys from the GNOME Foundation, and I am a KDE developer) within X.Org right now.
I won't be running for the board, but other KDE folk are welcome to. Either way, it doesn't change the reality that we have been usefully engaging both communities (as well as those of other camps), and we will continue to engage pretty much anyone who's interested.
Xouvert is completely latent, and can be discarded from the discussion.
X.Org and freedesktop.org have a fork each: the difference lies in the build system and methodology. X.Org's current tree is monolithic (libs, apps, server, fonts, docs in one massive package; the traditional way), while freedesktop.org's is modular (everything in a separate package). Think KDE vs GNOME, respectively.
But X.Org and freedesktop.org are collaborating frequently and usefully, and we're working hard to ensure that the trees stay in sync (I've almost finished syncing xlibs, and am working on xserver now). There's a fairly big intersection of those working on both trees.
So, I'd say there are only two, and they're co-operating regularly and usefully.:)
The X.Org Foundation is not run by keithp; he is not even on the interim board. The reformation of X.Org is a process which has been going for quite some time now.
Sure, we're all interested in openness and transparency, which is why we're working so hard to see it all happen. But this isn't about a single person, or gripes about a single project; it's about achieving the end goal of X's world domination (and self-improvement) as best we can.:) d, X hanger-on
X.Org are doing some major things in regard to X: X11R6.7, as you have no doubt seen, and others are planned. In order to prevent a repeat of the 6.4 license debacle, which saw XFree86 become the de facto implementation, and the sad repeat of history, the decision was made to go with a foundation. The foundation model has been shown to work very well over at places like GNOME - a transparent, community-elected organisation with ultimate organisation, but hands-off in terms of day-to-day development.
It's all about being accountable to the community, not a closed cabal.
X.Org is not 'falling apart', nor would membership help its finances, if they were in dire need of money; it's free!:) d, X.Org member and confcall hanger-on
Most of the distributors I've spoken to actually have/usr/X11R6 in their crosshairs to disappear; Debian does, when it moves to the modular tree. Mmm, getting warm and fuzzy inside.
Yes, but the problem lies with GPL drivers, such as, oh, the Synaptics touchpad driver, which is useful in the rare case that you actually own a laptop. The legalities of loading a GPL module from a 1.1-licensed server are questionable at best, non-existent at worst.
Branden has heaps of commitments as is, and was thus unable to join the board. He would've been a good choice, tho.
But licenses are not an issue: X.Org has its own retained legal counsel, and many board members have access to brilliant professional lawyers in their own organisations, each with their own specialisations, who can help out (and have helped out enormously).
We've already avoided it.:) We're not shipping 4.4. It's a little misleading to claim we've just shipped 4.3. The baseline is 4.3.0, sure, but there are 110,000 lines of patches (approximately; I haven't had access to Branden's personal repository for a while now, so I can't check) on top of that. That's halfway to 4.4, basically.
Most of it lies in drivers: SiS, ATI (mainly Radeon - support for newer cards, lots of random fixes), nVidia (random fixes), and more.
Actually, I think it'd be closer to 120,000 now.
-d, ex-X-co-maintainer
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You should be able to do USB scanners, printers, and Bluetooth pretty much out of the box (although you need an external repository for Bluetooth stuff as it's still in development). If you plug in hardware and it doesn't Just Work, we consider this a bug, so please file one!
Only some of the xapps are in TLA -- most are in CVS. There are some projects using tla (most notably debrix), just as there are some projects using CVS and SVN. Officially, we're agnostic.
Looking at the timeline of when Conectiva went into deep freeze vs. when X11R6.7 was released may also provide some additional insight.
There are currently representatives from both GNOME and KDE (Jim Gettys from the GNOME Foundation, and I am a KDE developer) within X.Org right now.
I won't be running for the board, but other KDE folk are welcome to. Either way, it doesn't change the reality that we have been usefully engaging both communities (as well as those of other camps), and we will continue to engage pretty much anyone who's interested.
No, not really.
:)
Xouvert is completely latent, and can be discarded from the discussion.
X.Org and freedesktop.org have a fork each: the difference lies in the build system and methodology. X.Org's current tree is monolithic (libs, apps, server, fonts, docs in one massive package; the traditional way), while freedesktop.org's is modular (everything in a separate package). Think KDE vs GNOME, respectively.
But X.Org and freedesktop.org are collaborating frequently and usefully, and we're working hard to ensure that the trees stay in sync (I've almost finished syncing xlibs, and am working on xserver now). There's a fairly big intersection of those working on both trees.
So, I'd say there are only two, and they're co-operating regularly and usefully.
The X.Org Foundation is not run by keithp; he is not even on the interim board. The reformation of X.Org is a process which has been going for quite some time now.
:) d, X hanger-on
Sure, we're all interested in openness and transparency, which is why we're working so hard to see it all happen. But this isn't about a single person, or gripes about a single project; it's about achieving the end goal of X's world domination (and self-improvement) as best we can.
Sure.
:) d, X.Org member and confcall hanger-on
X.Org are doing some major things in regard to X: X11R6.7, as you have no doubt seen, and others are planned. In order to prevent a repeat of the 6.4 license debacle, which saw XFree86 become the de facto implementation, and the sad repeat of history, the decision was made to go with a foundation. The foundation model has been shown to work very well over at places like GNOME - a transparent, community-elected organisation with ultimate organisation, but hands-off in terms of day-to-day development.
It's all about being accountable to the community, not a closed cabal.
X.Org is not 'falling apart', nor would membership help its finances, if they were in dire need of money; it's free!
Yes.
Most of the distributors I've spoken to actually have /usr/X11R6 in their crosshairs to disappear; Debian does, when it moves to the modular tree. Mmm, getting warm and fuzzy inside.
Yes, but the problem lies with GPL drivers, such as, oh, the Synaptics touchpad driver, which is useful in the rare case that you actually own a laptop. The legalities of loading a GPL module from a 1.1-licensed server are questionable at best, non-existent at worst.
Branden has heaps of commitments as is, and was thus unable to join the board. He would've been a good choice, tho.
But licenses are not an issue: X.Org has its own retained legal counsel, and many board members have access to brilliant professional lawyers in their own organisations, each with their own specialisations, who can help out (and have helped out enormously).
We've already avoided it. :) We're not shipping 4.4. It's a little misleading to claim we've just shipped 4.3. The baseline is 4.3.0, sure, but there are 110,000 lines of patches (approximately; I haven't had access to Branden's personal repository for a while now, so I can't check) on top of that. That's halfway to 4.4, basically.
Most of it lies in drivers: SiS, ATI (mainly Radeon - support for newer cards, lots of random fixes), nVidia (random fixes), and more.
Actually, I think it'd be closer to 120,000 now.
-d, ex-X-co-maintainer
DBUS isn't exactly an X library, so we didn't release it as part of xlibs; it will, however, be part of the fd.o Platform, 'cause it's way cool. :)
Daniel